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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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JRant

KaneToad wrote: »

BBC Horizon are currently showing a programme that everyone should watch. Scientific facts about Covid19. Too many of us consider ourselves to be epidemiologists based on snippets we read on Facebook. Listen to the rational facts from the scientists.

Watched it 2 weeks ago. Very good program, they even admit themselves that so much is still unknown about this virus. So anyone claiming severe restrictions or a complete lifting is the "right" way to go from a disease management perspective can be safely ignored.

pjohnson

road_high wrote: »

And I would agree. But this isn’t anti social behavior. It’s decent citizens trying to earn a living and live their lives. Ditch the non sensical restrictions and let people live

road_high wrote: »

When it’s obvious the “law” is stupid then it should be dropped.
Bad law leads to this kind of nonsense we are stuck in now.

I think I understand why you are against any form of tracking to aid contact tracing now :pac:

Just ignore laws and make money. Theres definitely a certain type who would support that lifestyle!

JRant

pjohnson wrote: »

I think I understand why you are against any form of tracking to aid contact tracing now :pac:

Just ignore laws and make money. Theres definitely a certain type who would support that lifestyle!

Here's one for you. In San Fran they actually couldn't use tracking for contact tracing. Most of the people who work in silicone valley know how intrusive this tracking is and have ways to block it on their own phones. They had to use people and telephones to contact trace over there.

pjohnson

JRant wrote: »

Here's one for you. In San Fran they actually couldn't use tracking for contact tracing. Most of the people who work in silicone valley know how intrusive this tracking is and have ways to block it on their own phones. They had to use people and telephones to contact trace over there.

Might be the 5G!

[Deleted User]

I’m not seeing the guards out and about like they were at the beginning of the lockdown, when the cat’s away the mice will play.

JRant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m not seeing the guards out and about like they were at the beginning of the lockdown, when the cat’s away the mice will play.

It was a monumental waste of Garda resources to begin with.

normanoffside

Strumms wrote: »

Kids have milder symptoms and better chances of recovery. But by their nature they are capable of spreading the virus more expeditiously.

Typical example of a lockdown Larry.
The first part of your statement is true.
The second part of your statement is completely devoid of fact and based on false assumption.

JRant

pjohnson wrote: »

Might be the 5G!

The 5G conspiracy and Facebook, a marriage made in heaven. It's amazing what some people will believe once they read it on D'Book.

polesheep

Strumms wrote: »

It’s not a numbers game. It’s about keeping everyone safe, healthy, alive. It’s of no fûcking consequence to me about kids being born in x hospital in whatever hospital in whatever city. My goal is to keep my family and friends safe and though my behavior and when I can influence the behaviors of others, not to be going acting the gob****e and breaking the regs, because of loneliness, because of boredom or feeling isolated I don’t care... no excuses.

You cannot do this. No one can. Ask not for whom the bell tolls.

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m not seeing the guards out and about like they were at the beginning of the lockdown, when the cat’s away the mice will play.

That’s because being outside or going for a drive in your own has absolutely no fcuking effect on the spread of the virus.

pjohnson

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's the same group thanking each other for their nonsense.

I don't think I will get an answer to my questions but that's to be expected.

Thank christ this thread is here as a distraction for them.

Its very amusing in its current state. Nice way to end the day.

Threats of how "the people wont take much more".

Must be like what Gemma and Johns twitter feeds are like :pac:

snowstorm445

road_high wrote: »

Just saw one on Facebook decrying neighbours and wanting to report them. We are still very much the valley of squinting windows with far too many busybodies with too much time on their hands. Blown up by 1000 times by this fiasco

Obviously there was some merit to this at the beginning of the lockdown, and underlined the gravity of the situation to people who might not have taken it seriously.

What's really shocked me is the sort of finger-wagging that you get about much more solemn, difficult occassions. Funerals are still enormously important in Irish society, and bring large communities together; even discounting that, it is a widely-accepted and well-respected fact of life in this country that everyone grieves in their own way. And yet you had shrill self-appointed moralisers online crying blue murder at the sight of grieving people who may have flaunted one or two restrictions to say their final farewells and have some sort of closure, as if they were deliquent criminals who should be put in the stocks. Not even a shred of empathy for people processing a loss in what is, in any case, an enormously challenging time for everyone. It's not just unnecessary, it's dehumanising.

There really is an ugly, Stasi-like element in Irish society that seems to have emerged as a result of this crisis, utterly incapable of empathising or relating to the world around them, and verbally abusing people who, for very human reasons, have more difficulty than them in adjusting to a lockdown type scenario. It is a memory that will certainly be etched into my own head when I look back at this awful time in years to come.

polesheep

JRant wrote: »

We already had scandalous wait times for people to see consultants for pretty much every type of aliment. Imagine what it's going to be like when hospitals begin dealing with all the day to day stuff that's been binned for the past 2 months.

Right now there are consultants, doctors and nurses sitting on their hands.

KaneToad

JRant wrote: »

Watched it 2 weeks ago. Very good program, they even admit themselves that so much is still unknown about this virus. So anyone claiming severe restrictions or a complete lifting is the "right" way to go from a disease management perspective can be safely ignored.

Its true, there is a lot they don't know. However there is a lot that they do know. They categorically state that the virus is spreading far more efficiently than any other. And that social distancing is, currently, the best way to slow the spread of the virus.

The reason we need to slow it is to ensure our health services don't implode. It's not that complicated. Just because people don't like it doesn't mean that movement restrictions aren't necessary.

Cork Boy 53

JRant wrote: »

It was a monumental waste of Garda resources to begin with.

How do you make that out? Judging by the amount of people who were travelling to holiday homes, going on non essential journeys etc. and were thwarted by the Gardaí I think it was very necessary. More is the pity they have rolled back on it lately and there will be a price to be paid for it when and if the health services come under renewed pressure as a direct result.

Jurgen Klopp

snowstorm445 wrote: »

There really is an ugly, Stasi-like element in Irish society that seems to have emerged as a result of this crisis, utterly incapable of empathising or relating to the world around them, and verbally abusing people who, for very human reasons, have more difficulty than them in adjusting to a lockdown type scenario. It is a memory that will certainly be etched into my own head when I look back at this awful time in years to come.

Not sure if they have emerged as such just more obvious. In the country anways they got the nickname "informers" there used be the odd local hero who'd go up and down the town taking the regs of any car who's tax was even a day out of date and straight into the Garda station with his list, same types to be honest

Strumms

JRant wrote: »

We know the first part is true. Not only have they better chances of recovery but the serious risk to them is practically zero to date.

The second part hasn't been shown to be true at all though.

The second part hasn’t been discussed at length in the media but if you speak to a psychologist , my girlfriend being one and a friend being another, their dependence on human contact and general behavior patterns can be factor. I know fûck all but I’m hearing this from more then one qualified source.

normanoffside

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Exactly. I think it`s astounding the amount of people who are in denial of this fact.

That’s because it is not a fact. I have already shown you studies to show it is not a fact.
Please show me one study to show it is a fact and then people might take you seriously.

fin12

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

How do you make that out? Judging by the amount of people who were travelling to holiday homes, going on non essential journeys etc. and were thwarted by the Gardaí I think it was very necessary. More is the pity they have rolled back on it lately and there will be a price to be paid for it when and if the health services come under renewed pressure as a direct result.

Well the travellers from the Uk had no problem coming over here and setting up camp in the curragh. Even drove straight through checkpoints.

It’s a pity the guards didn’t do their job then but I suppose that’s a usual occurrence when travellers are involved.

Strumms

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

How do you make that out? Judging by the amount of people who were travelling to holiday homes, going on non essential journeys etc. and were thwarted by the Gardaí I think it was very necessary. More is the pity they have rolled back on it lately and there will be a price to be paid for it when and if the health services come under renewed pressure as a direct result.

I’m not going to be looking out my window taking down car regs but I’m thinking an awful lot less of those with the ‘fûck you I’m going on holiday anyway’ mentality then the people picking up the phones.

Pretzill

Can all those who shout into the vacuum 'Stay at home nazis" go out and catch the F*uckin thing and do us all a favour.

Otherwise it's May the 5th be with you until further notice.

fin12

Something that made me really angry is someone who got Corinna virus because they had to go on their skiing trip in northern Italy was treated in hospital recovered and has been seen out walking with people not from his household. And then u have people berating people for going to a few different shops.

F*cking joke.

road_high

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m not seeing the guards out and about like they were at the beginning of the lockdown, when the cat’s away the mice will play.

Fear not. The busybodies in the Gardai are still out and about to check up on your “essential” business. Passed two yesterday in fact. The whopping great bill at the end will be interesting. It’s far from checking people’s car boots for groceries that will be the concern then.
It’ll be the cuts to pensions, hospital treatments, special needs payments that we will all be left with

Pretzill

fin12 wrote: »

Something that made me really angry is someone who got Corinna virus because they had to go on their skiing trip in northern Italy was treated in hospital recovered and has been seen out walking with people not from his household. And then u have people berating people for going to a few different shops.

F*cking joke.

Who is giving out about people going to different shops? And it someone who is recovered from covid walks among us aren't they immune (we hope) and no longer infectious?

JoeA3

I’m sure this has been raised as a concern here already by others but...

Is anyone else concerned that Tony Holohan, a man most of us knew little to nothing about up to 6 weeks ago, is really the guy in charge of our fate now?

I listened to him this evening in dismay. Talk about an utterly confused message. Community spread is virtually zero. For the past 2 weeks. So despite all the curtain twitchers and fist thumping on this thread from the bunker dwellers, it seems the lads going out for a jog really aren’t doing any harm.

The new case numbers appear high at a glance, primarily due to the situation in the nursing homes - and Tony himself is responsible for the mismanagement of that fiasco.

So now we have Tony saying “no, I would not relax restrictions if today was May 5th”. This is apparently the same guy who survived the cervical cancer fiasco, and here we are - Leo is essentially letting him dictate our lives for the next god knows how long.

Is it any fcuking wonder people are geting disenfranchised with the whole thing.

Cork Boy 53

road_high wrote: »

Fear not. The busybodies in the Gardai are still out and about to check up on your “essential” business. Passed two yesterday in fact. The whopping great bill arc the end will be interesting. It’s far from checking people’s car boots for groceries that will be the concern then.
It’ll be the cuts to pensions, hospital treatments, special needs payments that we will all be left with

So you are saying the Gardaí are busybodies for enforcing the laws of the land. What other laws do you think they should not be enforcing? Maybe drink driving, driving without insurance? Do tell us.

Strumms

JoeA3 wrote: »

I’m sure this has been raised as a concern here already by others but...

Is anyone else concerned that Tony Holohan, a man most of us knew little to nothing about up to 6 weeks ago, is really the guy in charge of our fate now?

I listened to him this evening in dismay. Talk about an utterly confused message. Community spread is virtually zero. For the past 2 weeks. So despite all the curtain twitchers and fist thumping on this thread from the bunker dwellers, it seems the lads going out for a jog really aren’t doing any harm.

The new case numbers appear high at a glance, primarily due to the situation in the nursing homes - and Tony himself is responsible for the mismanagement of that fiasco.

So now we have Tony saying “no, I would not relax restrictions if today was May 5th”. This is apparently the same guy who survived the cervical cancer fiasco, and here we are - Leo is essentially letting him dictate our lives for the next god knows how long.

Is it any fcuking wonder people are geting disenfranchised with the whole thing.

People going for a jog are doing zero harm, same with people walking, the government and health people are advocating actually that for your health and wellbeing you DO.

This government site is very good at outlining what people can and should do. Stuff with people in mind who CAN go out and also for cocooners at home..

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/5a4293-staying-active-during-covid-19/#outdoor-activity

road_high

snowstorm445 wrote: »

Obviously there was some merit to this at the beginning of the lockdown, and underlined the gravity of the situation to people who might not have taken it seriously.

What's really shocked me is the sort of finger-wagging that you get about much more solemn, difficult occassions. Funerals are still enormously important in Irish society, and bring large communities together; even discounting that, it is a widely-accepted and well-respected fact of life in this country that everyone grieves in their own way. And yet you had shrill self-appointed moralisers online crying blue murder at the sight of grieving people who may have flaunted one or two restrictions to say their final farewells and have some sort of closure, as if they were deliquent criminals who should be put in the stocks. Not even a shred of empathy for people processing a loss in what is, in any case, an enormously challenging time for everyone. It's not just unnecessary, it's dehumanising.

There really is an ugly, Stasi-like element in Irish society that seems to have emerged as a result of this crisis, utterly incapable of empathising or relating to the world around them, and verbally abusing people who, for very human reasons, have more difficulty than them in adjusting to a lockdown type scenario. It is a memory that will certainly be etched into my own head when I look back at this awful time in years to come.

Indeed. I’ve quite a different view of Irish society coming out of this. It’s quite chilling how easily so many follow the mob group think, devoid of any critical faculties whatsoever. Is it our rote-learning based education that installs such a tunnel visioned one dimensional approach to problem solving? The derision and sneering at anyone with a slightly different view- pathetic given our own national record with regards to nursing homes is nothing to crow about...
As for the Gardai- an institution I once very much admired and was proud of as our police force. Tarnished as pathetic nit pickers in my eyes. Surely there’s someone sane in the whole organisation somewhere with a different view to the 1984 approach?
I can assure all I’m no Gemma Doherty type, I despise all cracked pot conspiracy theorists with equal measure but there’s no way in a democratic society the kind of measures going on for the past 6 weeks are in any sustainable beyond the current without a lot deeper scrutiny than is currently the case

fin12

Pretzill wrote: »

Who is giving out about people going to different shops? And it someone who is recovered from covid walks among us aren't they immune (we hope) and no longer infectious?

Sorry ur not allowed go exercising with anyone not from ur household or am I missing something? Don’t remember the government announcing that those rules don’t apply to recovered Covid people.

Cork Boy 53

Pretzill wrote: »

Who is giving out about people going to different shops? And it someone who is recovered from covid walks among us aren't they immune (we hope) and no longer infectious?

They may be immune from the current strain though there are some question marks against that but in any case they will not be immune if and when the virus mutates to a different strain.