road_high wrote: » And who do you think would have sent it? Santy Claus?
road_high wrote: » So who sent the solicitors letter?
Pter wrote: » We don't know. That's the point.
Mrsmum wrote: » Also in fairness I'm sure the guards aren't withholding info from the mother and sister just to torment them and add to their grief. There must be some legal reasons why they can't share all the information they have and that should be looked at with a view to changing the rights of bereaved family members in cases like this.
road_high wrote: » We can be fairly sure it was the Hawes. Simple logic would tell you that. Unless he had a hidden other family we aren’t aware of. Which gives you a fair insight into what you’re dealing with.
road_high wrote: We can be fairly sure it was the Hawes. Simple logic would tell you that. Unless he had a hidden other family we aren’t aware of. Which gives you a fair insight into what you’re dealing with.
road_high wrote: » Really? I don’t think so at all- I don’t think it’s morally appropriate for them to profit from the evil deeds of their son and sending solicitors letters two weeks after the filth had wiped out Clodagh and her sons. But I’m old fashioned like that I guess! If they had any decency they’d drop any claims to the estate and leave it to Clodaghs family. That would be the right thing to do
strandroad wrote: » I would really withhold judgement on this, even when people perish things like mortgages, loans, car payments or insurance need to be paid and solicitors letters need to establish what needs to be paid when and by whom. E.g. what if you let your house insurance lapse and the empty house burns down? There was no good way to do it here I think, the other family could have washed their hands yes but then it would all be left for the two grieving ladies to sort out, pay solicitor fees etc.
Deleted User wrote: » Well if that decision is overturned next week, then you're wrong and there was no "legal reason" to share the information with them- only a willingness to help. In one paper this weekend, it was reported that the family was “accused of tampering with a witness”- after enquiring about an eyewitness report that was brought to their attention that AH was seen driving around the village in the early morning this tragedy took placehttps://www.thejournal.ie/clodagh-hawe-murder-4521704-Mar2019/"We were the ones made to feel like criminals; the investigation officers said we were reading too much about the case in the papers and constantly asking questions." What say you now about your precious "guards" ? "Disgusting" ?
Mrsmum wrote: » Would a firm of solicitors have started the ball rolling regarding the estate ??
zapitastas wrote: » A very impressive interview by clodagh's mother and sister. Must have been an incredibly difficult thing to do and is a shame that this is the route to go down in order to get the answers they need. Heart breaking story from the sister about having ring the garda liasion officer to find out if the media were correct in what they were reporting. Surely whatever Garda was leaking details to the media could see that the family should have the right to know first.
Mrsmum wrote: » I have never been a big champion of the guards so they are certainly not my "precious guards". I just don't think, in this tragic case, they are playing with the family for the fun of it. I did say the family should have more rights and the law should be changed to make it so but I guess you were too outraged to see that.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I'm not "outraged" - the family are outraged. They are all that matters in this case. You are the person who has posted that you believe the guards would do anything that they believe is possible from a legal perspective.I think that's a very naive view, at the very least, considering their chequered history over the last few years. I'd go as far to say that that's bullsh1t given the reports in the Sunday papers and I will be proven correct next week, when documents and information that was formally not provided to the family, will be provided- maybe not in its entirety but a lot more than was provided to date. And accusing the family, after what they have been through of "tampering with a witness"? Yes, that's disgusting. But feel free to place total faith in "the guards".
road_high wrote: » Yes on instruction of the next of kin of last surviving family member ie the Hawe family. As Clodagh and the kids were barely cold in their graves
tretorn wrote: » I hope the Coll family get half the proceeds of the estate, it seems very unfair that the Hawe family should be entitled to it all. They have debts of 50,000 incurred as a result of what Hawe did.
road_high wrote: » Usually I compliment the Gardai as I do think on balance they are a good police force with integrity. But in this case I think their performance and behavior has fallen well short in terms of communication and timeliness around the time of the events.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I would normally. But I'm somewhat taken aback at what is alleged in this weekends newspapers- not the way to treat a grieving family at all. There's law, and then there's process- sometimes it just a matter of amending the process, not the law.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: » Not aiming this at anyone in particular, but if Hawe was caught watching porn in school, and the school's authorities failed to take prompt action, that's probably negligence, but totally separate to the killing of Clodagh Hawe and her sons. As far as we know, nobody in that school could possibly have foreseen the drastic and ridiculous actions that Alan Hawe subsequently took. Theres no logical line of causation to draw there. The school definitely need to answer some questions about child protection, but they have nothing to answer for in terms of Hawe's own actions.
freshpopcorn wrote: » I have to say all this thing about being in the GAA or a nobody is dying out in most towns now in y experience. Almost every town now had a soccer,rugby, boxing,athlethicx, other groups and they are all seen as important. I have also seen local GAA people being hated and people wi do anything to get them off the committee. Now from what I remember Alan Hawe was involved in the setting up on the GAA club in this area.. So he would have being highly involved.
brooke 2 wrote: » This was a tiny rural area. The school was near his house. His children attended there. The church was across the road. The GAA pitch was probably in the vicinity of the school. His whole world within the space of a few square miles.
RoboKlopp wrote: » Surely not another cover up :eek:
Mrsmum wrote: » I'm thinking when AH wrote his five page letter, why the hell didn't he spill it all out besides his cryptic carry-on. I mean, whatever he did beforehand, how could it possible be worse that brutally murdering his wife and three young boys. The school I personally have sympathy for probably because as yet we actually don't know what happened and what they did or didn't do and so I'm reserving judgement there. There may have begun a process in a perfectly correct way for all we know. However they definitely should be telling the Coll family as much as they (perhaps legally) can. But to me, after Clodagh and the boys, her mother and sister and his own family, everyone at the school, staff and pupils, must have suffered enormously too. They knew the boys as friends and pupils, probably knew Clodagh well too and naturally they laughed and chatted with AH every day completely innocent of what was to happen and they must be reeling with shock and sadness then and still. Yet they have to get on with it, teach, care for and protect the kids in what must be a grief filled atmosphere where his presence must be so easily still pictured. I don't think it's at all fair for people to be almost making the school half responsible for his act as in if they had done this etc. No one could possibly have guessed what he was capable of.
Mrsmum wrote: » The laptop - was it his or the property of the school ? Could it be that another one of the teachers was using the laptop and up popped some kind of very dodgy porn or a child was using it and same happened. In a small school they would probably know who was looking at it but proving it would be another matter. Maybe the principal spoke to him letting him know that he was her chief suspect and that changed the atmosphere between them. Because he knows it was him and she knows it was him and the other teachers know it was him. Maybe he rang the INTO to seek advice saying he was being accused etc.
freshpopcorn wrote: » The numbers of the school are well over 100.(Not large but not tiny either). They are plenty of local clubs in the area. The oldest lad was into basketball, one of them sang and played piano. They were near enough to Ballyjamesduff as well.
brooke 2 wrote: » Much larger than I had thought it to be. AH would still have been a person of some status in that area, what with living and teaching there, being the treasurer of the local GAA club, churchgoing, (friend of priest!) kids involved in various activities, etc. Any scandal in one part would quickly reverberate throughout the others. The boys were just lovely.....I have not yet seen one photo in which they are not all smiling happily. Clodagh's mother's descriptions of the three of them to Claire Byrne were beautiful. The little fellow especially would steal your heart away.
Since the inquest, Clodagh's family have learned from the notes of his counsellor that Alan Hawe had been viewing pornography at work on a laptop, had been having regular urges to masturbate, and was experimenting with cross-dressing. He had stated he had been caught "red-handed" and Ms Connolly and Ms Coll want to know what that refers to.
She reveals that computer forensics established that 97pc of the pornography he viewed was on a laptop at his work in Castlerahan school: "In all likelihood it would seem if he stated he was caught red-handed and 'it was all going to blow up', the most likely place was the school." He committed the murders on the night before he was due to return to teaching after
juno10353 wrote: » The solicitors letter may have originated from AH own solicitor and outlined what was In his will
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