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Should we protest against the pope's visit?

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I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

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Hotblack Desiato

irishman86 wrote: »

Fixed your post buddy, i know sometimes its tough to type through tears

Err, the protestors are not going to see the pope. You appear rather confused.

irishman86

B0jangles wrote: »

Listen, you go off and have a read of the wikipedia page about the structure of the catholic church and come back to the discussion when you have even the barest bones of an understanding of how it works, ok?

Oh dear, thats all you have
I dont know why i expected more.......oh wait i didnt :pac:

irishman86

Discodog wrote: »

Is that all you can manage ? If you know abuse is happening - the Pope did & you just move the abuser somewhere else to carry on abusing - which the Pope did & then refuse to hand over the documentation you are giving the abusers permission.

:rolleyes: was all it deserved

Hotblack Desiato

Irish Kings wrote: »

Why do the current authorities in the state refuse to arrest a single Irish bishop for questioning or issue a single warrant to search their files ?

The files in the Vatican that Francis won't release?

Odhinn

irishman86 wrote: »

I think people are protesting because they are stupid, im highlighting that Francis has zero connection to those past crimes

Do you understand how the church works
Or history
Like i said, Barack should be ashamed how those Negro boys were treated
The queen has to look how she handled the famine
etc etc etc

He's the head of the organisation responsible.

Discodog

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Why won't Francis release the records relating to abuse? All bishops/cardinals were instructed to forward files on all allegations of abuse to the Vatican.

Why won't Francis turn over to national police forces all the alleged abusers and abuse cover uppers hiding out in the Vatican? The Vatican has no extradition treaties. It's a safe haven for abusers hiding from justice.

Why won't Francis compel the religious orders in Ireland to pay the compensation they agreed?

Those are three things he could do right now, but won't.

He has good PR though...

Not always

Francis had strongly defended Barros during his January trip to Chile, calling the accusations against him “calumny”. He claimed to have never heard from victims about Barros, even though he had received in 2015 a letter from Cruz detailing Barros’s wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/02/pope-francis-chile-sexual-abuse-scandal-part-of-problem

Irish Kings

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Why won't Francis release the records relating to abuse? All bishops/cardinals were instructed to forward files on all allegations of abuse to the Vatican.

Why won't Francis turn over to national police forces all the alleged abusers and abuse cover uppers hiding out in the Vatican? The Vatican has no extradition treaties. It's a safe haven for abusers hiding from justice.

Why won't Francis compel the religious orders in Ireland to pay the compensation they agreed?

Those are three things he could do right now, but won't.

He has good PR though...

Why would the Church do anything when the current authorities in the state refuse to arrest a single Irish bishop for questioning or issue a single warrant to search their files ? This is what gets to me. Of course criminals are going to get away with, and continue to get away with perverting the course of justice in the future if the current Irish authorities won't administer the criminal justice system and provide some justice for the victims. There seems to be a media blackout on this glaring omission as well.

Odhinn

irishman86 wrote: »

No the queens predecessors did far worse, you know like abuse our people for centuries :rolleyes:
I cringe over you guys

You make no sense whatsoever.

tylercheribini

Irish Kings wrote: »

Why do the current authorities in the state refuse to arrest a single Irish bishop for questioning or issue a single warrant to search their files ? This is what gets to me. Of course criminals are going to get away with, and continue to get away with perverting the course of justice in the future if the current Irish authorities won't administer the criminal justice system and provide some justice for the victims. There seems to be a media blackout on this glaring omission as well.

The Vatican is a sovereign state with the financial/politcal resources and diplomatic red tape to obstruct even the most determined investigations. Taking them on is a completely different kettle of fish to your average criminal gang.

Discodog

irishman86 wrote: »

:rolleyes: was all it deserved

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An_Toirpin wrote:

What mealy-mouthed equivocation? I am just not seeing that. At this stage I dont see how many more apologies are needed. They have been for years. All the signs are that the efforts to stamp out abuse 15 odd years ago worked.

Your kidding right?

This pope criticised Chilly abuse victims when he had evidence that they were all telling the truth. He only came out & apologised to them when it came to light that he always knew that they were telling the truth.

He is part of the cover up generation. Nothing has changed

irishman86

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Why won't Francis release the records relating to abuse? All bishops/cardinals were instructed to forward files on all allegations of abuse to the Vatican.

Why won't Francis turn over to national police forces all the alleged abusers and abuse cover uppers hiding out in the Vatican? The Vatican has no extradition treaties. It's a safe haven for abusers hiding from justice.

Why won't Francis compel the religious orders in Ireland to pay the compensation they agreed?

Those are three things he could do right now, but won't.

He has good PR though...

Does Francis have them, those are three things youve made up in your head
and not how the law works

B0jangles

That's what I find particularly irritating - church apologists keep pointing to Francis like
'Look how SMILEY he is!'
'Look how FRIENDLY he is!'

Like he's some lovely, unworldly little rural parish priest who won some kind of secret lottery and got to be pope by chance - he rose to the top of the church hierarchy, and you don't do that by being apolitical and unworldly; that takes serious drive and ambition.

The cardinals looked at him and thought he was a safe pair of hands from their perspective, and their perspective is most definitely not one shared by the vast majority of people.

irishman86

Discodog wrote: »

An Argentine that was a Cardinal before. Are you really suggesting that a Cardinal wouldn't know about a huge issue affecting the Church ?

Are you suggesting he did, a whole lot of guessing, which is a stupid way to decide anything

irishman86

Odhinn wrote: »

He's the head of the organisation responsible.

Similar to the queen and Barack when he was here. Where was the mass protest, i for one am furious that we didnt have one

Irish Kings

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The files in the Vatican that Francis won't release?

The state cannot prosecute people outside of Ireland.

You think there is no files sitting in Irish bishops offices ? Or no evidence the Irish bishops conspired to pervert the course of justice, but the state sure has hell can prosecute the criminal Irish bishops, but yet it does nothing. That's the scandal that is currently being silenced. Or are you one of those Irish Church / State apologists that makes every excuse they can think of, and thinks the Irish Bishops committed no crimes and the Irish state should not enforce the criminal justice system against them and provide the victims with some justice ?

irishman86

Odhinn wrote: »

You make no sense whatsoever.

Oh dear, kinda proving my original post buddy

Odhinn

irishman86 wrote: »

Similar to the queen and Barack when he was here. Where was the mass protest, i for one am furious that we didnt have one

No comparison whatsoever. Which is why there weren't protests.

Odhinn

irishman86 wrote: »

Oh dear, kinda proving my original post buddy

We're not 'buddys'.

B0jangles

irishman86 wrote: »

Oh dear, kinda proving my original post buddy

But you appear to have no arguments beyond calling people idiots or saying they are stupid.

Are you actually able to articulate anything more complex than that?

Seth Brundle

irishman86 wrote: »

Does Francis have them, those are three things youve made up in your head
and not how the law works

If Frank gave a toss about the law then as the bishop of Rome he would introduce mandatory police reporting to the Italian RCC. But he hasn't introduced this for some reason. In fact has he introduced something as simple as mandatory reporting anywhere?
Did his predecessor? Or his predecessor? Etc.
Actions speak louder than words!

[Deleted User]

Looking at RTE footage and wow what a small crowd. Only one deep. I don't know numbers but it hasn't a patch on Paddy's day parade numbers

irishman86

Odhinn wrote: »

No comparison whatsoever. Which is why there weren't protests.

Odhinn wrote: »

We're not 'buddys'.

its exactly the same, the fact you cant see it buddy is hilarious. Like i said i look forward to our next protest, i feel we should protest GAA hogging all the good athletes, it makes as much sense as these nonsensical protests

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

So it's fine to criticise the queen for what the British did, yet it's not okay to criticise the pope for what the church did in the much more recent past?

I think protesting them both are stupid, you really dont deserve the title Doctor :pac:

irishman86

B0jangles wrote: »

But you appear to have no arguments beyond calling people idiots or saying they are stupid.

Are you actually able to articulate anything more complex than that?

It would be a waste of time here, i feel the best way is straight to the point and hope that they understand. I tried to make a comparison between past history and it went straight over peoples heads

tylercheribini

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Looking at RTE footage and wow what a small crowd. Only one deep. I don't know numbers but it hasn't a patch on Paddy's day parade numbers

Woefully misjudged visit, I really wonder what the end game of it was? A call to arms for the ever shrinking ultra conservative religious element of Irish society?

Irish Kings

Seth Brundle wrote: »

If Frank gave a toss about the law then as the bishop of Rome he would introduce mandatory police reporting to the Italian RCC. But he hasn't introduced this for some reason. In fact has he introduced something as simple as mandatory reporting anywhere?
Did his predecessor? Or his predecessor? Etc.
Actions speak louder than words!

and if the Irish authorities really gave a toss they would arrest the Irish bishops responsible for conspiring to pervert the course of justice in Ireland.

Discodog

irishman86 wrote: »

Are you suggesting he did, a whole lot of guessing, which is a stupid way to decide anything

Ask the people in Chile

B0jangles

irishman86 wrote: »

It would be a waste of time here, i feel the best way is straight to the point and hope that they understand. I tried to make a comparison between past history and it went straight over peoples heads

Ah, I see, you're only pretending to be incapable of anything approaching a coherent argument. Your performance is extremely convincing.

[Deleted User]

irishman86 wrote: »

It would be a waste of time here, i feel the best way is straight to the point and hope that they understand. I tried to make a comparison between past history and it went straight over peoples heads

Are you honestly trying to defend an organisation that has covered up child sex abuse, needless family separation, slave labour amongst other things that contravene the charter of human rights?

Seriously? The whatabouttery is poor and then the insults to try and deflect instead of having an actual coherent response makes me think you're on the wind up or a complete arsehole.

B0jangles

circadian wrote: »

Are you honestly trying to defend an organisation that has covered up child sex abuse, needless family separation, slave labour amongst other things that contravene the charter of human rights?

Seriously? The whatabouttery is poor and then the insults to try and deflect instead of having an actual coherent response makes me think you're on the wind up or a complete arsehole.

I don't think they are, I think this is supposed to be very funny.

A hilarious joke about the continuing coverup of institutional child rape.