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lawlolawl

So the general consensus is that some people wouldn't vote for Hillary because she is a nasty, nasty woman.

kunst nugget

_Jamie_ wrote: »

I don't think Hillary lost because she was a woman either and I hated that some people immediately latched on to that as the reason. If the much more popular Michelle Obama ever ran, as an example, I think she would have a much better chance of being elected because she is much more liked. It comes down to likeability, not gender.

I don't think Michelle Obama would get it either but I don't think it's down to here being a woman. I think Americans are getting tired of the entitlement of political dynasties which Hillary, and Michelle if she were to run, would represent. Look how quickly Jeb Bush was kicked to touch with his presidential bid.

DrumSteve

In the end maybe a trump victory is a good thing.

He is a snake oil salesman and roughly half of America bought it hook,line and sinker. It may wake them up when they see what is going to happen to their country when he runs it into the ground.

I feel like people are purposefully not looking at him objectively, even in this thread mainly due to how much they hate Clinton or how they hate SJW's and he's going to end their political correctness and all this other bull****. The man himself is a bull**** artist. He panders to peoples basest fears to put himself in power and they fell for it.

Trump will not fix America for the common man. He will fix it for himself and his friends.

He will never release his taxes.

I have no love for Clinton, especially after I read Clinton Cash. She would have been the better choice though.

newport2

wakka12 wrote: »

I agree that she probablly didnt deserve to be president but if anyone did ,out of herself and trump, she most certainly did. That may or may not have stemmed from sexism but I just cannot imagine her even being in the running for president if a video was released of her saying to grab boys by the cock

I don't think this came down to Clinton V Trump in the end. For a lot of people it came down to Establishment V Anti-establishment. IMO that's what got Trump over the line, not that voters wanted him as president. They just didn't want more of the same.

Butters1979 wrote: »

You'd be surprised how quick they'll change. Once they get out in the real world, get jobs, families and bills to pay they'll realise that anyone who isn't working is taking from them and their families. (Crude but this is how a lot of people think) their political ideals will shift.

In every generation. the younger, college age of the population are almost always more liberal and left leaning, however this doesn't translate into a future surge in liberal voters.

But none of my self professed liberal left friends work. Most of them do have children. They all seem to think workers are fools and social welfare is paid from an unlimited pool of money-or they don't want to think about where it comes from. They often scorn workers for being a little cog in the system, working to live. Thus they don't care about workers' rights, and object to anyone with an objection to anything that might strain the country's budget even further. I think it's more common for people to 'grow up' and out of this phase in Ireland, though. I grew up in the Uk and many of my friends are still there.

_Jamie_

kunst nugget wrote: »

I don't think Michelle Obama would get it either but I don't think it's down to here being a woman. I think Americans are getting tired of the entitlement of political dynasties which Hillary, and Michelle if she were to run, would represent. Look how quickly Jeb Bush was kicked to touch with his presidential bid.

Possibly but it would hardly be a longstanding dynasty whereas Jeb would have been the third Bush up for president and hails from a patrician WASPy family, part of America's elite.

A Little Pony

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

NSFW maybe, shows a bunch of African Americans beating on a white guy cause he voted for Trump

https://streamable.com/6nwo

This is what real Racism is

This is why you should always carry a weapon in America. I would have shot all those bitter bastards.

Permabear wrote: »

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Why are you attempting to prove a gender point by focusing on race?

There may well have been just as strong a gender influence in the popular vote as there was a racial influence. Lots of white Trump supporters seem to be racists, and they'll probably see Hillary Clinton as being too close to the Obama presidency. Even the non-racists feel that way. Only 6% of voters who approved of Obama voted for Hillary Clinton.

The overwhelming majority of women voters supported Hillary Clinton. That's women in general. There's no legitimacy in segregating women down racial lines to support a weak point.

A Little Pony wrote: »

This is why you should always carry a weapon in America. I would have shot all those bitter bastards.

Nice. Shooting protesters.

I was listening to a US correspondent earlier defending the restraint of the police "Nobody's been shot or threatened with a gun yet".

rob316

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Why are you attempting to prove a gender point by focusing on race?

There may well have been just as strong a gender influence in the popular vote as there was a racial influence. Lots of white Trump supporters seem to be racists, and they'll probably see Hillary Clinton as being too close to the Obama presidency. Even the non-racists feel that way. Only 6% of voters who approved of Obama voted for Hillary Clinton.

The overwhelming majority of women voters supported Hillary Clinton. That's women in general. There's no legitimacy in segregating women down racial lines to support a weak point.

White women would a huge key demographic for her though, that's why it is worth mentioning, especially when she is running against a white man.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Nice. Shooting protesters.

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Protestors? Are you being serious? They are beating the man up...surely you don't class that as a form of protest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74EvJieIqbM

rob316 wrote: »

White women would a huge key demographic for her though

It's beside the point, it isn't the statistic that matters.

Uneducated white women voted overwhelmingly for Trump. That doesn't mean Hillary Clinton has a problem attracting women, because she got the overall women's vote. Unquestionably so, there is no contest.

Renegade Mechanic

Akrasia wrote: »

I get the urge to change things, but Trump is a total wild card.

I give him about a 2% chance that he'll turn out to be a good president, a 30% chance that he'll just be business as usual or blocked by congress and therefore ineffectual, but a 65% chance that he'll make things much much worse. That is based on his Environmental, foreign policy and regulatory positions, and his likely appointments to the supreme court.

As per Clinton, there was a 95% chance that she'd just be a business as usual politician with a small chance that she does something extreme and starts a war somewhere

War was 100% guaranteed with Hillary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykk8ibRhx-g

My only problem with Trump is his opinion of Iran being in line with many others that they are a "great threat to the world", but that's further down the line. Conflict over Syria is now.

Furthermore, by your own speaking, there is a 95% chance Hillary is business as usual. With Trump that falls to 30%

Business as usual is what's brought us here, so.....

jackofalltrades

kunst nugget wrote: »

I don't think Michelle Obama would get it either but I don't think it's down to here being a woman.
I think Americans are getting tired of the entitlement of political dynasties which Hillary, and Michelle if she were to run, would represent.
Look how quickly Jeb Bush was kicked to touch with his presidential bid.

Yeah surprised to see Democrat supporters talking about Michelle Obama making a run for office.
It's like they've learnt absolutely nothing from this election.

A Little Pony

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

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A Little Pony wrote: »

This is why you should always carry a weapon in America. I would have shot all those bitter bastards.

Nice. Shooting protesters.

I was listening to a US correspondent earlier defending the restraint of the police "Nobody's been shot or threatened with a gun yet".[/quote]
Protesters beating the crap out of me because I voted the way they didn't like? Yes I would have shot those bastards. Always carry a weapon in America for incidents like this. The era of liberalism is over, the time of nationalism has begun.

Christy42

lawlolawl wrote: »

Some of the people coming into the states from Mexico illegally are rapists. Some are not.

Just because you want to interpret it differently to suit your argument doesn't mean that other people think that way.

He wants people coming into the country legally and being *gasp* properly vetted.

Yeah that is paraphrasing to suit your own ends.

"They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

That is a cop out at the end, he is certainly suggesting the majority are rapists and that is he knows this but is unsure if all are or not (as he has to assume some are good people).

If the same was said about Trump supporters being racist we would get plenty of posts decrying the lack of respect.

All said without a shred of evidence (especially as they seem to be less likely to commit a crime https://www.google.ie/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798?client=ms-android-h3g-ie )

At no point did he say us citizens are rapists, and some are good people I assume. He would have been destroyed quite rightly by his own support (quite rightly).

kunst nugget

_Jamie_ wrote: »

Possibly but it would hardly be a longstanding dynasty whereas Jeb would have been the third Bush up for president and hails from a patrician WASPy family, part of America's elite.

Michelle would still represent nepotism and the establishment which would be anathema to the US voting public now.

Widdershins wrote: »

Protestors? Are you being serious? They are beating the man up...surely you don't class that as a form of protest?

Apologies, I've been reading about the coverage of the protests, I assumed that was the subject.

As for that particular video, we don't know the context. That's a couple of black guys beating up a white guy. I seriously doubt it's a random attack because he voted Trump.

And no, shooting people in the street isn't a normal reaction to a street brawl. This is why bystanders who can't control their emotions shouldn't have guns.

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A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Apologies, I've been reading about the coverage of the protests, I assumed that was the subject.

As for that particular video, we don't know the context. That's a couple of black guys beating up a white guy. I seriously doubt it's a random attack because he voted Trump.

And no, shooting people in the street isn't a normal reaction to a street brawl. This is why bystanders who can't control their emotions shouldn't have guns.

Well that's good to hear.
I don't now, though. I think I'd regret an inability to intervene against five men about to cave some poor fecker's head in so I'm starting to change my view of gun ownership. I don't think that is an excessively emotional response. I'm not talking about charging in there letting off ululating war cries and blowing them all to kingdom come.
Considering people are triggered over a vote...

A Little Pony wrote: »

The era of liberalism is over, the time of nationalism has begun.

You should put some drone music on a loop in your basement/ dungeon of national pride.

Flint Fredstone

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Apologies, I've been reading about the coverage of the protests, I assumed that was the subject.

As for that particular video, we don't know the context. That's a couple of black guys beating up a white guy. I seriously doubt it's a random attack because he voted Trump.

And no, shooting people in the street isn't a normal reaction to a street brawl. This is why bystanders who can't control their emotions shouldn't have guns.

If you have a gun, shooting people kicking you to a pulp is a very normal reaction.

Renegade Mechanic

A Little Pony wrote: »

Protesters beating the crap out of me because I voted the way they didn't like? Yes I would have shot those bastards. Always carry a weapon in America for incidents like this. The era of liberalism is over, the time of nationalism has begun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kmscodi/status/796554667748716545

EDIT: Too slow...

Widdershins wrote: »

Well that's good to hear.
I don't now, though. I think I'd regret an inability to intervene against five men about to cave some poor fecker's head in so I'm starting to change my view of gun ownership. I don't think that is an excessively emotional response. Considering people are triggered over a vote.

Yeah, some idiots get triggered over a vote, some idiots are triggered over handclapping, and some idiots can't handle seeing a brawl in the street without losing their marbles.

If anyone is that sensitive, I suggest they lock themselves indoors, go to bed, and put some tampons up to their ears.

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Permabear wrote: »

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Sure it does.

I'm not saying they're not smart, necessarily; I'm saying they aren't educated.

Uneducated white women love Trump.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yeah, some idiots get triggered over a vote, some idiots are triggered over handclapping, and some idiots can't handle seeing a brawl in the street without losing their marbles.

If anyone is that sensitive, I suggest they lock themselves indoors, go to bed, and put some tampons up to their ears.

Well for you if you can ''handle'' someone being killed or permanently injured by five men. Your strength of mind is astonishing. It must take great courage to walk on past.

It's a brawl when there's two of them and they're both participating. Someone on the ground, surrounded, isn't capable of brawling. If it's true that this is happening because of the election there should be more publicity for it.

who lost their marbles anyway? Little pony said something about the usefulness of a gun if people are going to attack others over their vote. That's hypothetically talking about taking action, not an emotional response at all.

lawlolawl

Permabear wrote: »

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I believe I heard them referred to as "deplorables" by someone at one stage in the run up to the election