Nissan XE vs SV and PCP or not PCP

29-10-2015 3:57pm

robnet77 wrote: »

thing is, 20 minutes stop could become 60 if you need to wait two cars who are charging in front of you.
With the current infrastructure, public chargers are a bit of hit or miss, from what I hear at least.

My experience with rapid chargers has been quite good so far. But what I really meant is that once you can drive for approx. three hours solid without stopping you wouldn't really mind to stopping for a while to have a cup of coffee. So, imo, this would be definitely enough range for most people. The current Leaf does that in the city at rush hour easily but for high speed motorway driving you would need about 300..400 km of range for it to be sufficient for pretty much everybody.

The 90 kWh Tesla Model S would be a sweet car if money was not object. Sound like the next model Leaf which will apparently have up to a 60 kWh battery would be close enough.

Hector Mildew · 29-10-2015 7:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The ESB will install multiple fast chargers on one site when necessary, but they need to know they will make money from it and currently EV sales are pathetic to say the least so they won't spend too much.

Maybe it's a good thing though because the next Gen electrics will charge faster so hopefully the ESb will install 100Kw + chargers in the next 3-5 years.

A work colleague was telling me today that the ESB will be introducing a €16.99 per month charge plan from 2016. That will cover access to all standard and fast public charge points.

29-10-2015 8:30pm

Hector Mildew wrote: »

A work colleague was telling me today that the ESB will be introducing a €16.99 per month charge plan from 2016. That will cover access to all standard and fast public charge points.

That would be unfair to expect a low DC charger user like me or anyone else to pay a monthly charge for something they rarely use, I'd pay higher per KWh. Monthly charge ? I won't be using them if that's the case.

Yes that rumour has been circulating for a while now.

Lantus · 29-10-2015 8:56pm

I had heard that the cost will be linked to your domestic account and charged on usage based on activation via the card. Seems much fairer.

Benny_Cake · 29-10-2015 9:37pm

Hector Mildew wrote: »

A work colleague was telling me today that the ESB will be introducing a €16.99 per month charge plan from 2016. That will cover access to all standard and fast public charge points.

I don't like the sound of that, I only rarely need to use the public charging network. It would be a good deal for those who use it heavily alright, but it would only encourage people to hammer the public chargers in order to get their money's worth.

It would probably be a lot easier to implement than per unit pricing so it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's the option the ESB end up going for.

BoatMad · 29-10-2015 10:39pm

Lantus wrote: »

I had heard that the cost will be linked to your domestic account and charged on usage based on activation via the card. Seems much fairer.

I doubt it , there would be people with no electricity account.

I think the 16.99 a month is a good idea.

ancicsaor · 29-10-2015 10:56pm

I was told by a dealer today that:

1. It will be €17 a month from January but that it probably will not apply to existing card holders.
2. The free ESB domestic charging point installations will end in January.

The dealer is partly motivated by a desire to move a 152 car as opposed to a 161 order so I'd take it with a pinch of salt but that's what I was told.

Padraig Mor · 29-10-2015 11:37pm

ancicsaor wrote: »

I was told by a dealer today that:

1. It will be €17 a month from January but that it probably will not apply to existing card holders.
2. The free ESB domestic charging point installations will end in January.

The dealer is partly motivated by a desire to move a 152 car as opposed to a 161 order so I'd take it with a pinch of salt but that's what I was told.

I'd be very surprised if the free charge point offer ended.

Re 'charging for charging', what I've read (which is, at best, not finalised) is that there will be three 'tiers' or similar. A = no monthly fee, but a high unit rate. B = lowish monthly fee, and moderate unit rate. C = higher fee, with no unit charging. This is apparently for fast chargers only; standard ones remain free. For new owners from January, and existing ones from summer. Personally, I think it's too soon and could kilk the undoubted recent surge in EV sales stone dead. I haven't had much trouble accessing FCPs though; I could well think differently if I did.

29-10-2015 11:42pm

Naas was a pain in the face for me, though the last month was not bad probably because I moaned at people coming out with shopping bags, yeah I get cranky after 12 hr shifts, so I like to be able to charge when I actually "need" to.

Since I got the work charge point I haven't seen a fast charger ! Though I might pay the Carlow one a visit while I'm off the next week .

Dexter1979 · 30-10-2015 9:36am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Re 'charging for charging', what I've read (which is, at best, not finalised) is that there will be three 'tiers' or similar. A = no monthly fee, but a high unit rate. B = lowish monthly fee, and moderate unit rate. C = higher fee, with no unit charging. This is apparently for fast chargers only; standard ones remain free. For new owners from January, and existing ones from summer. Personally, I think it's too soon and could kilk the undoubted recent surge in EV sales stone dead. I haven't had much trouble accessing FCPs though; I could well think differently if I did.

Option I have heard is a monthly fee and per minute charge for the use of a FCP. SCPs to remain free for a while.

I would not be happy if that is the only option but it will still work out way cheaper than an ICE.

Bring on some competition in the charger provider world please!

TBi · 30-10-2015 11:52am

If they bring out a monthly fee for the chargers then that will put me off electric. I'd only use a fast charger a couple of times a year.

Also if there is a set rate then people who hog fast chargers will continue to do so. It has to be per watt/ per minute charging.

30-10-2015 1:51pm

They can have per month billing for those heavy users and offer them discounts per Kwh and charge people more once it reached 80%.

Then have a higher Kwh cost for those who want to pay as they use.

BoatMad · 30-10-2015 3:30pm

The uncertainty over FCP charges is very annoying as I come to buy a leaf. I cant see the point of three charge systems, and equally since when is electricity billed by the minute, that would be crazy

Villain · 30-10-2015 5:57pm

Charging a monthly fee for access to the chargers would be the biggest mistake they could make and by god they have already made a few!

They need a stable network, with live up to the minute data from chargers to their map for months before they should consider charging, charging for the existing network is crazy and will kill any momentum that EV's here have.

Charging a fixed monthly fee will only encourage people to use chargers adding to queues already in busy areas plus my monthly usage on night rate electricity is only a little more per month that the rumoured €17

They will also need to re-issue all RFID cards as they are easy to copy and people could just share one if they have the flat fee.

Are ESB ecars that stupid??

30-10-2015 8:54pm

Eah, that's a monthly charge + electricity so the rumour goes anyway.

BoatMad · 31-10-2015 4:19pm

It's nuts. Why even release only part of the cost structure. That's even more nuts.

They have to publish the FCP price structure as well.

This will kill EV sales in this quarter unless ESB comes clean

I'm seriously re thinking my purchase

31-10-2015 4:32pm

That's the point, they haven't release any statement regarding costs.

I don't think billing will start in January at all. But no one knows.

I will e-mail my contact in the ESB this weekend and point him towards a few threads and maybe they can rethink having a flat monthly charge.

They need PM charge and reduced KWH for high users and no per month charge and higher Kwh for low users like me.

A flat charge will promote abuse again, like free charging does now because if people are paying a monthly cost they will think "sure I may as well get some value out of it "

BoatMad · 31-10-2015 5:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That's the point, they haven't release any statement regarding costs.

I don't think billing will start in January at all. But no one knows.

I will e-mail my contact in the ESB this weekend and point him towards a few threads and maybe they can rethink having a flat monthly charge.

They need PM charge and reduced KWH for high users and no per month charge and higher Kwh for low users like me.

A flat charge will promote abuse again, like free charging does now because if people are paying a monthly cost they will think "sure I may as well get some value out of it "

Well clearly, the ESB has released the printed document outlying monthly charges. That's clearly not rumour

There should be no monthly charges. Merely a fixed kWh cost . Just like petrol , you pay for what you use nothing more or nothing less

Remember the monthly fee + free usage only applies to April for FCP and end f 2016 for rapid chargers. After that we will have a monthly fee AND some usage charges TOGETHER

nokia69 · 31-10-2015 5:28pm

BoatMad wrote: »

There should be no monthly charges. Merely a fixed kWh cost . Just like petrol , you pay for what you use nothing more or nothing less

I agree with this its the way to go, but I would add a charge for cars that stay plugged in for too long, maybe people should pay by the hour not by the KWh

anyway I don't think the ESB will rip people off, every electric car sold makes them thousands over the life of the car, I bet they have ran the numbers and know how much extra a year the average Leaf driver is worth to them, in a few years electric cars will be every where, its in their interest to be as fair as possible

BoatMad · 31-10-2015 6:12pm

nokia69 wrote: »

I agree with this its the way to go, but I would add a charge for cars that stay plugged in for too long, maybe people should pay by the hour not by the KWh

anyway I don't think the ESB will rip people off, every electric car sold makes them thousands over the life of the car, I bet they have ran the numbers and know how much extra a year the average Leaf driver is worth to them, in a few years electric cars will be every where, its in their interest to be as fair as possible

17 quid a month PLUS charges is ripping you off .

there should be no per minute charging , that unfairly penalises certain battery/charger configurations that are outside user control.

to control time at charging points , for FCP , enforce a max time or 80% cutoff

nokia69 · 01-11-2015 2:38am

BoatMad wrote: »

17 quid a month PLUS charges is ripping you off

I agree, but I'm not sure if it will happen

BoatMad wrote: »

there should be no per minute charging , that unfairly penalises certain battery/charger configurations that are outside user control.

well what I really mean is people plug in a car and just walk away, the car is 100% charged and then sits there for an other hour or more, giving no benefit to anyone

01-11-2015 1:04pm

There needs to be a Kwh charge and an extra Kwh charge over 80% on the fast chargers.

TBi · 01-11-2015 1:43pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There needs to be a Kwh charge and an extra Kwh charge over 80% on the fast chargers.

And per minute 'parking' cost over 100% charge so people don't just leave the car there for hours.

BoatMad · 01-11-2015 2:04pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if the free charge point offer ended.

Re 'charging for charging', what I've read (which is, at best, not finalised) is that there will be three 'tiers' or similar. A = no monthly fee, but a high unit rate. B = lowish monthly fee, and moderate unit rate. C = higher fee, with no unit charging. This is apparently for fast chargers only; standard ones remain free. For new owners from January, and existing ones from summer. Personally, I think it's too soon and could kilk the undoubted recent surge in EV sales stone dead. I haven't had much trouble accessing FCPs though; I could well think differently if I did.

Well , releasing only part of the charging scheme , is just nuts as it leaves people in the dark as to the totality of the pricing regime. If I didn't beleive in the stupidly of Irish state utility companies , I say it's a kite flying excercise. ESB need to clarify this position immediately

Padraig Mor · 01-11-2015 2:28pm

BoatMad wrote: »

Well , releasing only part of the charging scheme , is just nuts as it leaves people in the dark as to the totality of the pricing regime. If I didn't beleive in the stupidly of Irish state utility companies , I say it's a kite flying excercise. ESB need to clarify this position immediately

I'd imagine my information was inaccurate / out of date. Looks like the €17/month is official to me - why would they bother printing up the promo material unless it's all agreed? Only thing we'd see much change in would be implementation date I'd say.

I still think it's going to cause a big problem with new EV sales (and residuals for those currently on the road). Personally I think it should be along the lines of subscription of €5 per month, plus billing at your home rate for SCPs, and home rate plus 10 - 20% for FCP. Separate PAYG rate for occasional / visitor use.

Villain · 01-11-2015 2:44pm

It will kell EV sales if they proceed with this plan, the €17 a month crazy, imagine paying petrol stations for the right to use pumps as well as paying for the petrol??

Also the hardware is not reliable enough and the management software even after the new update won't show what chargers are in use.

They also need to issue everyone with new RFID cards as the current ones are not secure.

thierry14 · 01-11-2015 3:36pm

Can the Esb charge extra for electricty used for charging EV's?

Could they bring in a rule that if an appliance uses more than say 5kwh or something they could charge extra?

Puts stress on the infrastructure etc as a reason.

Seems a bit crazy long term that electricy cost per unit would be the same for household appliances and for EV's

If say 50% of cars were electric.

Just seems like u can be screwed at anytime now with EV's

BoatMad · 01-11-2015 4:24pm

thierry14 wrote: »

Can the Esb charge extra for electricty used for charging EV's?

Could they bring in a rule that if an appliance uses more than say 5kwh or something they could charge extra?

Puts stress on the infrastructure etc as a reason.

Seems a bit crazy long term that electricy cost per unit would be the same for household appliances and for EV's

If say 50% of cars were electric.

Just seems like u can be screwed at anytime now with EV's

The ESB can set any unit rate for any supply type they like.

Yes we've handed EV charging to a monopoly

01-11-2015 4:28pm

TBi wrote: »

And per minute 'parking' cost over 100% charge so people don't just leave the car there for hours.

Yeah there should be perking charges over 100% billed on the leccy account. That's a good idea !

See this is why I say having the 6.6 Kwh charger is so much more useful. Far less trips to the fast chargers and you get to free up a standard street charger in half the time.

The ESB should request that Nissan drop the 3.3 kw charger because it's a complete waste of our pretty good AC charger network.

Villain · 01-11-2015 7:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The ESB should request that Nissan drop the 3.3 kw charger because it's a complete waste of our pretty good AC charger network.

Sorry but that is just nonsense, I have a 3.3 Kwh SVE and I would have zero use for the 6.6 Kwh option and I say that having the Leaf over 1 year. It suits some people but certainly not all!

02-11-2015 1:30am

Villain wrote: »

Sorry but that is just nonsense, I have a 3.3 Kwh SVE and I would have zero use for the 6.6 Kwh option and I say that having the Leaf over 1 year. It suits some people but certainly not all!

If you use public chargers it is highly useful. If a lot more people had it it would mean far less demand for the fast chargers.

Villain · 02-11-2015 7:47am

Deleted User wrote: »

If you use public chargers it is highly useful. If a lot more people had it it would mean far less demand for the fast chargers.

Yes as I said it suits some people but saying Nissan shouldn't sell the 3.3 version is crazy.

02-11-2015 10:28am

Villain wrote: »

Yes as I said it suits some people but saying Nissan shouldn't sell the 3.3 version is crazy.

They shouldn't sell the 3.3 kw. One of the most important things about EV ownership is the ability to charge as fast as possible when you need to.

The 6.6 can charge at 3.3 Kw if you need to.

The 6.6 kw should be standard, saying you do without it is easy when you don't have it. I don't use it much but I'm damn glad of it when I use it.

Why waste our pretty good AC infrastructure ? why have people plugged in charging at half the power taking twice as long to charge hogging a charge point for much longer ? "that's crazy"

The 6.6 Kw should be standard.

Villain · 02-11-2015 1:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They shouldn't sell the 3.3 kw. One of the most important things about EV ownership is the ability to charge as fast as possible when you need to.

The 6.6 can charge at 3.3 Kw if you need to.

The 6.6 kw should be standard, saying you do without it is easy when you don't have it. I don't use it much but I'm damn glad of it when I use it.

Why waste our pretty good AC infrastructure ? why have people plugged in charging at half the power taking twice as long to charge hogging a charge point for much longer ? "that's crazy"

The 6.6 Kw should be standard.

You are making silly assumptions, I have charged 99% of the time at home and the other 1% was fast chargers so tell me how a 6.6 Kw would benefit me?

02-11-2015 8:22pm

Villain wrote: »

You are making silly assumptions, I have charged 99% of the time at home and the other 1% was fast chargers so tell me how a 6.6 Kw would benefit me?

It doesn't benefit you I suppose if you insist.

Ok so people have the choice but to be honest they're being talked out of considering the 6.6 Kw by dealers just because they only order the 3.3 Kw in the first place to keep the list price a bit cheaper and to make sure people buy what's in stock. Barlo Nissan in Kilkenny being a good example of this !

Then people need to use the DC network a lot more and if the use the AC chargers they're taking up a charge point for twice as long as they need to if they had the 6.6 Kw.

Villain · 02-11-2015 8:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't benefit you I suppose if you insist.

Ok so people have the choice but to be honest they're being talked out of considering the 6.6 Kw by dealers just because they only order the 3.3 Kw in the first place to keep the list price a bit cheaper and to make sure people buy what's in stock. Barlo Nissan in Kilkenny being a good example of this !

Then people need to use the DC network a lot more and if the use the AC chargers they're taking up a charge point for twice as long as they need to if they had the 6.6 Kw.

It depends on how people use the car, anyone that has asked me I have said if you need to rely on using public chargers then forget about it. Due to all the issues people report on a regular basis and the time wasted charging.

My use is perfect for the current range, charge nightly at home and commute with comfort each day and then use my wife's diesel car when going beyond range.

I like the Leaf and it costs me less than €20 per month for charging, my main issue is the issues Nissan have had with Carwings, my SVE has heated seats and heated steering wheel etc, being able to turn that on with the heater via a phone app is great, sadly the system has fallen flat due to issues on severs servicing Europe, although they are moving away from Carwings next year.

02-11-2015 10:42pm

Villain wrote: »

It depends on how people use the car, anyone that has asked me I have said if you need to rely on using public chargers then forget about it. Due to all the issues people report on a regular basis and the time wasted charging.

I was doing all of 134 Kms daily before I got the work charge point with the Nass QC 10 min charge got me home with 20-25% left. I wouldn't call it a waste of time considering what I'm saving over ICE.

Send a few texts, check up on the news or a page or two of Engadget and before you know it 15 mins gone past. People spend time in far worse ways. Yes I had issues with people shopping but overall the experience was positive.

Ruairi.g · 03-11-2015 9:50pm

Regarding chargers, am I correct in saying that nissan supply a 3.3kw charging lead with the car and the people who supply the home charger fit a new charger wired from the circuit board with a dedicated 16amp mcb.
Why cant they supply the home charger with a 32 amp mcb, the difference in cost is insignificant. I see charging cables can be bought in the UK for approximately £160. Is this spurious uk charger any good. I know these are questions that have possibly been discussed before, but I am new to the conversation about electric vehicles. Forgive my ignorance please!!

stesaurus · 03-11-2015 11:25pm

For a Leaf you'd have to have the upgraded 6.6kW on-board charger to take advantage of a 32a home charger or even the public slow chargers.
ESB are reluctant to provide 32a home chargers as there are a lot of homes badly wired and not readily capable of the additional load. 16a is deemed acceptable and shouldnt stress things too much.
I'd say most Leafs sold are only 3.3kW anyway so I see their point.

BoatMad · 04-11-2015 12:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

I was doing all of 134 Kms daily before I got the work charge point with the Nass QC 10 min charge got me home with 20-25% left. I wouldn't call it a waste of time considering what I'm saving over ICE.

Send a few texts, check up on the news or a page or two of Engadget and before you know it 15 mins gone past. People spend time in far worse ways. Yes I had issues with people shopping but overall the experience was positive.

Yes and at 30 cents per minute charging as proposed, that Engadget check will cost you 5 euros !!!

BoatMad · 04-11-2015 12:53am

Ruairi.g wrote: »

Regarding chargers, am I correct in saying that nissan supply a 3.3kw charging lead with the car and the people who supply the home charger fit a new charger wired from the circuit board with a dedicated 16amp mcb.
Why cant they supply the home charger with a 32 amp mcb, the difference in cost is insignificant. I see charging cables can be bought in the UK for approximately £160. Is this spurious uk charger any good. I know these are questions that have possibly been discussed before, but I am new to the conversation about electric vehicles. Forgive my ignorance please!!

The issue is that many homes are loaded enough to prevent the use of 32 circuits, and the ESB will not spend time profiling your usage and peak circuit loading , hence the operational limit of 16 A.

The evse is not a charger, that's in the car. , the evse regulates what max power can be drawn by the car charger from the mains. It ranges from 6a ( 1.2 kW) to max charger typically. The granny cable , IE with my family integrated evse is limited to 10A , IE 2.3kw

To use 32 a evses on a single phase domestic setup , really needs a load shedding evse, these are not common as they have to be integrated into,your domestic circuitry.

Yes the uk evses will work here

05-11-2015 12:08am

I can assure people here that the ESB not keen on providing 32 amp EVSE's has got nothing to do with home wiring.

Any competent electrician can tell you pretty quickly whether your home is suitable for 32 amp charging and can install the 16 amp EVSE instead.

05-11-2015 12:10am

BoatMad wrote: »

Yes and at 30 cents per minute charging as proposed, that Engadget check will cost you 5 euros !!!

Won't cost me a cent with the work charge point.

Even if it id I'd pay 80 Euro's PM do drive 2,500 Kms per month including charging at night if I were to work a regular 9-5 5 days a week job. Now let me calculate that in petrol or diesel ................................... !

BoatMad · 05-11-2015 1:20am

Deleted User wrote: »

Won't cost me a cent with the work charge point.

Even if it id I'd pay 80 Euro's PM do drive 2,500 Kms per month including charging at night if I were to work a regular 9-5 5 days a week job. Now let me calculate that in petrol or diesel ................................... !

Please talk first to any competent electrican about the issues around 32 amp circuits , especially ones that are likely to be energised for a long time.

Come back to us then.

There is ONE and only ONE. reason not to install 32 A evse circuits in a domestic environment. That is the risk that the max loading will trip the ESB fuses.

There is NOTHING else. House wiring in itself is never the issue as a 32 A circuit will be supplied directly from the distribution board. The house wiring will not be carrying the evse current.
If it came to it , you could even install a supplemental board and bypass the existing board.

The only reason is total house load. That's it folks. Electricity isn t magic.

BoatMad · 05-11-2015 1:23am

Deleted User wrote: »

Won't cost me a cent with the work charge point.

Even if it id I'd pay 80 Euro's PM do drive 2,500 Kms per month including charging at night if I were to work a regular 9-5 5 days a week job. Now let me calculate that in petrol or diesel ................................... !

Fine fine , we get it, you're ok. , you're fine , you're sorted. , we get it.

Lantus · 06-11-2015 11:58pm

OK, so after getting over the charging for public points debacle I think I'm.still up for an EV. The change will be getting the 30kwh battery which is now cheaper to safeguard against needing to charge except on really long journeys.

How do existing EV owners feel? I don't feel it has killed the market as next gen batteries will make charging very limited (500km ranges) its a patch that has to be gotten through

07-11-2015 12:35am

Lantus wrote: »

OK, so after getting over the charging for public points debacle I think I'm.still up for an EV. The change will be getting the 30kwh battery which is now cheaper to safeguard against needing to charge except on really long journeys.

How do existing EV owners feel? I don't feel it has killed the market as next gen batteries will make charging very limited (500km ranges) its a patch that has to be gotten through

Excellent stuff !

First off there is no EV market in Ireland really, 0.4 % new car sales are Ev so pretty much no market to kill it will be a set back but the more negativity expressed here and in the media the more it won't help.

The 30 Kwh battery is a good choice and it also allows you to (fast charge) charge 18-80% in the same time as the 24 Kwh battery giving you more range for the same time saving you at the fast charger and also by having more cheap night rate leccy in the battery to begin with !

I highly recommend the 6.6 kw charger , and especially so since the standard street chargers continue to have no per minute billing (with the 17 Pm charge)

But charging at home in half the time is a real bonus, to absolute 100% will only be an hour and a half in the difference but to 80-90% will take half the time. The last 8-10% takes a long time.

Pre wire your home for 32 amps and insist you want the 32 amp home charge point, you will probably not get it, they wouldn't allow me have it at all but if you pre wire for 32 amps from the consumer unit all the way back to the charge point then all you need is a 32 amp evse and 32 amp RCBO in the consumer unit.

I'm highly glad I have the 32 amp charger now and plan to install the 32 amp home evse !

Yes I know I go on a lot about the 32 amp charger but I find it too convenient not to have it when I need it and I will need it a lot more now so I am extra glad I have it now !

BoatMad · 07-11-2015 1:03am

A 6.6 kW charger will draw 28.5 A from a nominal 230 vac circuit. You need to be quite careful if you have any other high demand appliances on your domestic circuits before you consider a 32 A circuit . High powered showers are typically around similar values and if you have one of these thread very carefully.

If you do get a 32a evse make sure it's programmable for other lower charging currents so that you can tailor the charge to suit the domestic load.

Blowing the Esb fuses is an expensive mistake.

My view is that dc charging will be the only way to charge in the future especially with large battery banks. Charging 60-100 kWh banks at home in any reasonable timeframe will be impossible , especially within any sort of night rate timescale. The fcp,network will be of key importance for longer journeys as EVs assume the role of the " normal car " , when I was driving for business doing 600 - 800km per day was commonplace.

Also as we push EVs up to to full motorways speeds in all weathers and headwinds etc , again the existence of fcp will be important.

I don't think it's a "patch that's to be gotten through " however. This will set EV pricing for years to come

07-11-2015 2:18am

If you need the 200-240 mile range of the 60 kwh battery quickly the DC is king however if you don't then charging at home is more than feasible.

Telsa have twin 10 Kw charger option on the model S so you could charge the 90 kwh battery at home on 3 phase @20 kw in about 5-6 hrs or at least to 90% in about 4.5 hrs roughly.

3 phase is expensive and rare in a domestic environment in Ireland so this cost would have to come down but it's possible that not far into the future we could have the option of a 20 kw DC charger installed at home. Though in reality not many of us need 200 miles range a day.

BoatMad · 08-11-2015 12:59am

Deleted User wrote: »

If you need the 200-240 mile range of the 60 kwh battery quickly the DC is king however if you don't then charging at home is more than feasible.

Telsa have twin 10 Kw charger option on the model S so you could charge the 90 kwh battery at home on 3 phase @20 kw in about 5-6 hrs or at least to 90% in about 4.5 hrs roughly.

3 phase is expensive and rare in a domestic environment in Ireland so this cost would have to come down but it's possible that not far into the future we could have the option of a 20 kw DC charger installed at home. Though in reality not many of us need 200 miles range a day.

You're a great man for future gazing , but fortunately , like the rest of us you've no better idea , what might happen. You could and will most likely be wrong. Your future advice on Esb charging was wrong.

All one can do is deal with whatever one has to hand. today. The future is the future.

Nissan XE vs SV and PCP or not PCP

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