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Major tax fraud linked to the registration of luxury cars

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    #92
    Supergurrier
    Registered Users Posts: 7,288 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    How is using auto diesel kinda illegal.

    The suggestion of using green is, im rural also and is alot using it.


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    #93
    BlatentCheek
    Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭BlatentCheek


    Is this not nearly yesterdays news?

    If they're bringing in water charges surely motor tax will be reduced back to reasonable levels...surely?


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    #94
    Long Time Lurker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Long Time Lurker


    Lads, as these cars were seized doesn't that mean that unless all outstanding penalties are paid then these cars won't go for auction. Instead they'll be crushed. Now that's a crime.


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    #95
    vectra
    Registered Users Posts: 15,504 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Long Time Lurker wrote: »
    Lads, as these cars were seized doesn't that mean that unless all outstanding penalties are paid then these cars won't go for auction. Instead they'll be crushed. Now that's a crime.

    Not really,
    I remember an ST220 was impounded for vrt non payment. The owner got certain time to sort it and never did, The car was converted to a Traffic car and am sure many of you faw it in your rear view mirrors. 03-D I think it was.

    My point being there could be lots of M3's and M5's etc. patrolling our roads one of these days.


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    #96
    PrettyBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    vectra wrote: »
    My point being there could be lots of M3's and M5's etc. patrolling our roads one of these days.
    Never going to happen.


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    #97
    coylemj
    Registered Users Posts: 25,332 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    PrettyBoy wrote: »
    Never going to happen.

    Didn't the cops get one of those bulletproof BMWs that was seized (probably by CAB) from the Dundon gang in Limerick?


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    #98
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Delighted for them!
    Jail and a hefty tax bill


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    #99
    R1_Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭R1_Pete


    Better sell my 1.6tdi 911 before the next nct


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    #100
    Long Time Lurker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Long Time Lurker


    Wait till they twig all the LPG converted 350z car vans running on vat reclaimable forklift gas

    Oh I've gone and done it now :-)


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    #101
    joe912
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joe912


    The only fraud here is been pepertrated by the government


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    #102
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,382 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Anyone mention water charges yet?


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    #103
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,120 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    BlatentCheek wrote: »
    Is this not nearly yesterdays news?

    If they're bringing in water charges surely motor tax will be reduced back to reasonable levels...surely?


    ^^^^
    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Anyone mention water charges yet?


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    #104
    neto
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭neto


    it always surprises me how quickly sellers adapt to emerging market information

    2003 530d individual mtec listed on DoneDeal 3 hours ago

    "very clean car, Not down as 520 on the book" :)


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    #105
    maxwell smart
    Registered Users Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭maxwell smart


    Said something on the 9 o'clock news there that AGS are looking into large number of Range Rovers who are also under declared along with Mercs


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    #106
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    BarryD wrote: »
    - you hit the road haulage industry and push up other costs in shops etc., that way.

    I'd imagine the haulage industry would be delighted. They would not have to pay 4.5k to tax each vehicle anymore.
    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Delighted for them!
    Jail and a hefty tax bill

    This..... I just can't get over this sort of thing.:rolleyes:


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    #107
    Hoffmans
    Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Hoffmans


    The irish car tax system is fraud in itself,

    Government lackies cruise around with 0.00 printed on their tax discs while jo so has a lien of 52 to 1500 on his
    Another point is safety tax bands favour deathtrap cars m5 v micra head on take your pick
    And whats all this tax spent on? Roads , nope it goes into the coffers


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    #108
    kona
    Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Hoffmans wrote: »
    And whats all this tax spent on? Roads , nope it goes into the coffers

    Not even, you might want to sit down when you find out.


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    #109
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    Hoffmans wrote: »
    The irish car tax system is fraud in itself,

    Government lackies cruise around with 0.00 printed on their tax discs while jo so has a lien of 52 to 1500 on his
    Another point is safety tax bands favour deathtrap cars m5 v micra head on take your pick
    And whats all this tax spent on? Roads , nope it goes into the coffers

    That's another aspect self-righteous 'tax compliant' boardsies do not acknowledge. Even to tax an old beater of a 2002 Mondeo is the guts of 700 quid and therefore less well off families are piling their young children into the back of 1.0 litre K11 Micra's.


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    #110
    kona
    Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    BarryD wrote: »
    Increase tax on fuel? Two or three things come to mind:

    - you put greater costs onto law abiding rural folk, as they inevitably have to drive further to access normal things like shops, schools, jobs. Public transport ain't an option in most places as there is none and what there is here & there, is being eroded.

    - some rural folk will use green diesel. We've had diesel motors since 2003, use auto diesel but never been checked once in that time.

    - you hit the road haulage industry and push up other costs in shops etc., that way.

    Why the **** does everything revolve around rural folk?
    Move to the big schmoke if it's cheaper.


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    #111
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,789 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    kona wrote: »
    A idiot tax in this country aimed at politicians and the like who make these laws would yield more than catching some lad driving a m3 paying 2l tax.

    Remember the lad is still being bent over for 710 a year if he's mental enough to pay it upfront.

    Indeed. I'd much rather they go after the many people (mainly outside Dublin) who never pay any motor tax

    Did a check in a 4 star hotel car park in Mayo a few years ago (to kill some time) and of the pre '08 Mayo reg cars less than 1 in 10 had valid tax :rolleyes:

    No tax should carry a fixed fine of 3 years penalty tax. Enforce this heavily for a few months nationwide and the state will get a billion in extra revenue that could go towards areas where the money is badly needed. Better still of course is tax on fuel and save the money we spend on a thousand civil servants who work in the area of motor tax :)


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    #112
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,382 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Hoffmans wrote: »
    The irish car tax system is fraud in itself,

    Government lackies cruise around with 0.00 printed on their tax discs while jo so has a lien of 52 to 1500 on his
    Another point is safety tax bands favour deathtrap cars m5 v micra head on take your pick
    And whats all this tax spent on? Roads , nope it goes into the coffers


    Do you think government cars should pay tax to the government or something?

    :confused:

    Also, the safety argument doesn't really stand up. The co2 tax means many premium cars can be taxed for under €300 a year. Even large family cars can be taxed for peanuts too. 2008 is a long time ago, co2 taxed cars will fall into small money soon. (The cynic/realist in me says they will jack up those rates eventually as something like 90% of cars these days are band A or B)
    You can buy €1000 cars with 5 star NCAP ratings anyway.


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    #113
    Basil Fawlty
    Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭Basil Fawlty


    All this case proves is that people are willing to tax cars up to a certain amount. Its all about the law of diminishing return. If the tax was lower on larger engine cars then more people like myself would be tax cars that are currently off the road due to the high tax costs.

    2.0L tax for three months = €200

    3.0L tax for three months = €422

    Its like the tax rates are just figures pulled out of the sky.


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    #114
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Do you think government cars should pay tax to the government or something?

    :confused:

    Also, the safety argument doesn't really stand up. The co2 tax means many premium cars can be taxed for under €300 a year. Even large family cars can be taxed for peanuts too. 2008 is a long time ago, co2 taxed cars will fall into small money soon. (The cynic/realist in me says they will jack up those rates eventually as something like 90% of cars these days are band A or B)
    You can buy €1000 cars with 5 star NCAP ratings anyway.

    How does it not stand up? Many people cannot afford post 2008 cars and require a car of a sufficient size for their family within a minimal budget. The fact that most older cars cost more to tax than they are worth (which is farcical in itself) rules them out and therefore they are stuck with a situation not indifferent to motoring under a communist regime.

    You mention most 5 star NCAP cars being available for a thousand euro. You fail to acknowledge that car safety has come on even further since then and the 5 star cars of a decade ago are barely four star today.

    Co2 tax also is not giveaway cheap. The cars we have in Band A (under 100 g/km) are tax free in other countries. The only reason we think anything up to €390 is 'for nothing' is because we are being swindled by motor tax and have been for quite a while. It is just another thing that this cowardly government couldn't give an arse about changing and continued as is from Fianna Fail.


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    #115
    carzony
    Registered Users Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭carzony


    what will happen to all these cars? scrapped? given to guards as patrol cars?


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    #116
    Technique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Technique


    unkel wrote: »
    Indeed. I'd much rather they go after the many people (mainly outside Dublin) who never pay any motor tax

    Did a check in a 4 star hotel car park in Mayo a few years ago (to kill some time) and of the pre '08 Mayo reg cars less than 1 in 10 had valid tax :rolleyes:

    No tax should carry a fixed fine of 3 years penalty tax. Enforce this heavily for a few months nationwide and the state will get a billion in extra revenue that could go towards areas where the money is badly needed. Better still of course is tax on fuel and save the money we spend on a thousand civil servants who work in the area of motor tax :)

    I'm surprised that they haven't gone the way of the uk- if your motor tax expires at the end of March, for example, and the records show that you haven't renewed or submitted a SORN then you'll automatically get a fine in the post at the start of April.


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    #117
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,789 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    Co2 tax also is not giveaway cheap.

    Yes it is. A massive 151 reg BMW 5-series (worth €60,000) costs €200 to tax

    A '92 1l Micra (worth €200) also costs €200 to tax

    Ridiculous.


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    #118
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    unkel wrote: »
    Yes it is. A massive 151 reg BMW 5-series (worth €60,000) costs €200 to tax

    A '92 1l Micra (worth €200) also costs €200 to tax

    Ridiculous.

    €200 is more like £30.00 on similar emission cars across the water.

    If anything €200 is what should be a flat fee and be applicable to most cars. We should not have to pay much more for tax of a vehicle in a day when a car is a given right to many.


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    #119
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,789 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Or even a €0 flat fee for all cars :)

    Add about €0.30 to a litre of fuel and let he who pollutes most pay most tax


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    #120
    Sheldons Brain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Sheldons Brain


    kona wrote: »
    Why the **** does everything revolve around rural folk?
    .

    That's where real Irish people are.

    There is a case for some adjustment of the tax situation re pre 2008 and following that adjustment there should be an enforcement blitz so that the law abiding are not treated like eejits.


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    #121
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,382 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    How does it not stand up? Many people cannot afford post 2008 cars and require a car of a sufficient size for their family within a minimal budget. The fact that most older cars cost more to tax than they are worth (which is farcical in itself) rules them out and therefore they are stuck with a situation not indifferent to motoring under a communist regime.

    You mention most 5 star NCAP cars being available for a thousand euro. You fail to acknowledge that car safety has come on even further since then and the 5 star cars of a decade ago are barely four star today.

    Co2 tax also is not giveaway cheap. The cars we have in Band A (under 100 g/km) are tax free in other countries. The only reason we think anything up to €390 is 'for nothing' is because we are being swindled by motor tax and have been for quite a while. It is just another thing that this cowardly government couldn't give an arse about changing and continued as is from Fianna Fail.

    5 star cars from 10 years ago are hardly deathtraps though. You'd swear poor people were dropping like flies from RTAs.
    We are not "other countries" either, some other European countries have relatively massive taxes on motoring and some have very low taxes. Every country has different ways of taxing citizens, just singling out tax on cars doesn't really tell much.
    I don't think low emission cars should pay €0 tax myself.
    I do agree that there is a tax gulf between certain pre 08 cars and certain post 08s, but I don't think motoring is just for an elite, it is possible to get decent cars here for not much money.

    I'm paying €700 odd a year on mine, I use my car every day and drive a good bit. €2 to use the road network for a day doesn't strike me as extortion.


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