season 5 what do expect? (for book readers)

Liam O · 26-06-2014 8:05pm

The Tully's have at least been introduced, so Jaime will surely have to still deal with them, same with Lancel. I always hoped Lady Stoneheart would learn the truth about Jon Snow due to her hatred of him all those years.

December2012 · 26-06-2014 8:36pm

Daith wrote: »

There's no way Stoneheart is going to be a big player. I'd agree she's going to be used as a plot device to move someone else's character forward.

Like the Great Northern Conspiracy?

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/77828-the-great-northern-conspiracy-reexamined/

GerB40 · 27-06-2014 2:18am

December2012 wrote: »

Like the Great Northern Conspiracy?

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/77828-the-great-northern-conspiracy-reexamined/

I love that theory...

December2012 · 27-06-2014 6:43am

GerB40 wrote: »

I love that theory...

Me too. It's just so goddamn satisfying like a secret story within a story.

Daith · 27-06-2014 10:01am

December2012 wrote: »

Like the Great Northern Conspiracy?

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/77828-the-great-northern-conspiracy-reexamined/

I like!

I do think Sansa has a large role to play here though. I think she's going to control the Eyrie and the Riverlands. I wonder if Sansa never becomes Sansa again and remains Littlefingers niece all the while supporting her brothers.

Generic Dreadhead · 27-06-2014 3:38pm

I expect a great many ancillary characters to be introduced (Dornish, Greyjoys, Bravos) and some big epic bits in episodes 3, 6 and 9 (which is almost formulaic at this stage) and nothing about Sansa and Bran (hopefully, god i hope, i can't stand either of them)

FunLover18 · 27-06-2014 3:41pm

Cormac... wrote: »

I expect a great many ancillary characters to be introduced (Dornish, Greyjoys, Bravos) and some big epic bits in episodes 3, 6 and 9 (which is almost formulaic at this stage) and nothing about Sansa and Bran (hopefully, god i hope, i can't stand either of them)

But … Sansa's hot now!

The Bogman · 28-06-2014 4:42pm

Alfred Molina is exactly how I pictured Doran Martell. Please make it happen

ShetlandViking · 28-06-2014 5:41pm

So it's pretty certain that we'll see a lot of the Martells. Not sure how much screen time they're willing to give to Quentyn though. I won't be happy if they cut out LS, seeing as it would make Beric Dondarion's resurrection(s) seem pretty pointless. Besides that I'd love to see the show-watchers reactions. I wonder if they'll keep the same actor for Kevan Lannister.

I'm surprised that Balon is still alive and I'll be annoyed if they have him replace his three brothers (it's unlikely but when you have time-wasting scenes with Grey Worm and Messandei you have to assume the worst). There's also the fact that the show's been neglecting the Greyjoys since Season 2 (if you look at the special feature about all the houses in Westeros on the Season 3 boxset, the Greyjoys have been left out completely)

Worst case scenario: Lots of Dany doing nothing in Meereen, further development of Grey Worm+Messandei relationship, no Lady Stoneheart, further screwing up of Stannis' character, a bunch of scenes that weren't in the books that no one asked for, loads of changes in dialogue in scenes that WERE in he books

Expected scenario: Lots of Cersei setting up her own downfall, Doran and co. in Sunspear, Tyrion in Essos, Arya in Braavos, Sam and co. head to Oldtown

Best case scenario: Balon's death and Euron's arrival ("I say, we take Westeros"), Victarion's armour ("Come! Come kill me, if you can") Roose and co. in Winterfell, not screwing up Stannis' a character at the Wall, Davos in White Harbour, Lady Stoneheart, Randyll Tarly

FunLover18 · 28-06-2014 5:49pm

ShetlandViking wrote: »

So it's pretty certain that we'll see a lot of the Martells. Not sure how much screen time they're willing to give to Quentyn though. I won't be happy if they cut out LS, seeing as it would make Beric Dondarion's resurrection(s) seem pretty pointless. Besides that I'd love to see the show-watchers reactions.

They made a big deal out of Melisandre not knowing it could be done. Even without LS it may come in handy at the Wall

ShetlandViking · 28-06-2014 6:16pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

They made a big deal out of Melisandre not knowing it could be done. Even without LS it may come in handy at the Wall

Now I'm even MORE worried LS won't show up!

Turtyturd · 29-06-2014 8:33pm

Sleepy wrote: »

Never liked Stoneheart but then again, I hated Catelyn too...

Brian Blessed as Manderly would be epic.

I always pictured Areo Hotah as much burlier than Djimon Hounsou (shorter and more barrel-chested) though I wouldn't be overly disapppointed with his casting in the role as he was great in Gladiator. Can see Peter Mensah (Oenomaus from Spartacus) being looked at for the role too.

Felt the same about Stoneheart. Couldn't stand Catelyn so was p*ssed that they brought her back. The only role I thought she would play was distributing justice to the Freys.

Always pictured Areo Hotah as...

Also another believer in the Great Northern Conspiracy. I want Robb's letter to be in with Ned's bones and that's why Lady Dustin is so eager to get her hands on them.

FunLover18 · 29-06-2014 8:51pm

Did Robb write a letter in the TV show?

celica00 · 30-06-2014 4:30pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

Did Robb write a letter in the TV show?

Nops

December2012 · 30-06-2014 8:14pm

He did tell Catelyn he would name Jon his heir though, didn't he?

GerB40 · 30-06-2014 9:50pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Idris Elba would be good too.

Stringer Bell was the first person I thought to play Areo Hotah..
He's a class actor, he's worked with HBO already and he's unbelievable with accents. (when I heard him in an interview I wondered why he was putting on an English accent!!).
He has the muscle and basically everything Hotah has so he's perfect for the role.
We need to petition this shít now...

FunLover18 · 30-06-2014 9:54pm

I always imagined Hotah to be older, mid-50s

GerB40 · 30-06-2014 9:56pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

I always imagined Hotah to be older, mid-50s

Stringer Bell with a few grey hairs.. Problem solved:-)

Brian2208 · 30-06-2014 10:07pm

Funny, as I was reading the books I always pictured Hotah similar to the guy Idris Elba played in Thor. Maybe because I just watched the film before but I think he'd be perfect.

Very much doubt they'll get him though

FunLover18 · 30-06-2014 10:12pm

Brian2208 wrote: »

Funny, as I was reading the books I always pictured Hotah similar to the guy Idris Elba played in Thor. Maybe because I just watched the film before but I think he'd be perfect.

Very much doubt they'll get him though

There was talk a few days ago that he'd be in True Detective 2. I think He'd defo go back to HBO, and something like GoT I'd say they'd require for two weeks of shooting max. I don't imagine Hotah will be a major player

GerB40 · 30-06-2014 10:27pm

Oh btw Stringer Bell was played by Idris Elba for those who haven't watched The Wire...
P.S Watch it, it's outstanding.

Brian2208 · 30-06-2014 11:10pm

I never thought of the Elba/HBO link from the Wire, might be a possible reunion then.

I agree with the previous poster who said a big name could be needed for the next season though. It's possible that there will be a lot of new characters from the iron islands and Dorne so some good casting may be needed to keep people's interest. I know I struggled a bit through book 4 anyway trying to follow the new storylines!

December2012 · 30-06-2014 11:43pm

Kevin McKidd for Jon Connington!

FunLover18 · 30-06-2014 11:55pm

December2012 wrote: »

Kevin McKidd for Jon Connington!

I remember hearing something about McKidd and Purefoy saying they'd never do GoT because of how HBO treated Rome … I think it was from Purefoy's own mouth on the Empire podcast

celica00 · 01-07-2014 10:02am

December2012 wrote: »

He did tell Catelyn he would name Jon his heir though, didn't he?

I can't remember that either in the show, only watched it recently?

username123 · 01-07-2014 1:26pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

I remember hearing something about McKidd and Purefoy saying they'd never do GoT because of how HBO treated Rome … I think it was from Purefoy's own mouth on the Empire podcast

Sour grapes from Purefoy. He later retracted saying he had been joking etc...

Kevin McKidd would be great in GoT. He has a great look. I could see his partner from Rome, the big guy (his name escapes me) as an Iron Islander.

Son0vagun · 01-07-2014 5:02pm

username123 wrote: »

Sour grapes from Purefoy. He later retracted saying he had been joking etc...

Kevin McKidd would be great in GoT. He has a great look. I could see his partner from Rome, the big guy (his name escapes me) as an Iron Islander.

No , I think Ray Stevens is a terrible actor!

letowski · 01-07-2014 5:27pm

Looking forward to see who will be cast for Euron, I think he is sort of taking over from Oberyn as the show's badass.

The casting of Arianne will be interesting too... she will have to be hot for a start!

username123 · 01-07-2014 5:34pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

No , I think Ray Stevens is a terrible actor!

I've only seen him in Rome. I liked him in that. But it wasn't a very complex chatacter.

FunLover18 · 01-07-2014 6:48pm

letowski wrote: »

The casting of Arianne will be interesting too... she will have to be hot for a start!

And willing to get her tits out

valor rorghulis · 03-07-2014 1:01am

letowski wrote: »

Looking forward to see who will be cast for Euron, I think he is sort of taking over from Oberyn as the show's badass.

The casting of Arianne will be interesting too... she will have to be hot for a start!

I'm actually hopeful they get her personality right, she's the ultimate girl a man would ignore every rational thought in his being just to be around her for 5minutes. Hotness a part of it, but she has to be the type you'd fall in love with too.

I'd love to see Mads Mikkelsson (plays Hannibal & is in a recent James Bond film) play Victarion

flikflak · 03-07-2014 12:05pm

http://www.thelocal.es/20140702/10-great-locations-to-shoot-game-of-thrones-in-spain

Looks like Seville for the Water Gardens in Dorne (sorry if this has been previously posted but had a quick look and could not see it).

ArmaniJeanss · 04-07-2014 2:32pm

How feasible is Dany on a dragon with current CGI?

Mr.Prodston · 04-07-2014 2:50pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

How feasible is Dany on a dragon with current CGI?

You have to imagine pretty feasible as surely they knew they'd be shooting such scenes way back 5/6 years ago when the show was being formed. I'm sure they'd have asked George even if they didn't go into specifics at the time. I thought the chains in episode 10 were done well, I'm sure it'll be grand and done well

DM addict · 04-07-2014 6:22pm

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

You have to imagine pretty feasible as surely they knew they'd be shooting such scenes way back 5/6 years ago when the show was being formed. I'm sure they'd have asked George even if they didn't go into specifics at the time. I thought the chains in episode 10 were done well, I'm sure it'll be grand and done well

They did riding on a dragon in Harry Potter, and it looked ok. That was a few years ago. Sure it'll be grand.

Mickeroo · 04-07-2014 6:26pm

DM addict wrote: »

They did riding on a dragon in Harry Potter, and it looked ok. That was a few years ago. Sure it'll be grand.

Harry potter films have bigger budgets though.

DM addict · 04-07-2014 6:49pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Harry potter films have bigger budgets though.

Very true. But this is going to be an iconic scene. They'll find the money somewhere. I believe!

rawn · 04-07-2014 6:56pm

Has anyone from ADOD been cast? Seems like only AFFC characters have been mentioned. I hope they don't split the show like they did the books. AFFC is better the second time around, but still ponderous. Nothing happens until the last couple of chapters. But if the mixed boring AFFC with boring ADOD we might get a semi-interesting season :P

RobbingBandit · 05-07-2014 1:25am

Would it be out of the question to want to see George himself play Wyman Manderley?

He was rumoured to be playing a part sooner or later.

GerB40 · 05-07-2014 7:13am

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Would it be out of the question to want to see George himself play Wyman Manderley?

He was rumoured to be playing a part sooner or later.

I'd like to see that evil bastard GRRM in the show but not as Wyman Manderley. Whoever does play Wyman will need to look both loyal to the Freys (basically his captors) and at the same time, mentally tortured at the fact his sons life is in the hands of these lunatics.
Plus his discussion with Davos should be as emotionally charged as Oberyn and Tyrions in the black cells so I reckon we'll need a top quality actor for the fat lord.

Mr.Prodston · 05-07-2014 12:03pm

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Would it be out of the question to want to see George himself play Wyman Manderley?

He was rumoured to be playing a part sooner or later.

At the risk of ostracising myself by repeating this but Brian Blessed has to be Wyman Manderley or I'll hunt D&D through all 7 hells :pac:

Mickeroo · 05-07-2014 12:14pm

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

At the risk of ostracising myself by repeating this but Brian Blessed has to be Wyman Manderley or I'll hunt D&D through all 7 hells :pac:

I would have to insist he keeps getting Davos's name wrong if he is cast.

"The wolf will prove the boy is who we say he is, should the Dreadfort attempt to deny him. That is my price, Lord David. Smuggle me back my liege lord, and I will take Stannis Baratheon as my king"

"Actually ..it's Davos m'lord."

letowski · 07-07-2014 12:04am

valor rorghulis wrote: »

I'm actually hopeful they get her personality right, she's the ultimate girl a man would ignore every rational thought in his being just to be around her for 5minutes. Hotness a part of it, but she has to be the type you'd fall in love with too.

I'd love to see Mads Mikkelsson (plays Hannibal & is in a recent James Bond film) play Victarion

Yes, Victarion is one of my favourite characters. I think the actor will have to deal with the tricky combination of Victarions honesty and receptiveness but also that intimating presence his physique and amour give him. Similar to Ned, he is very much a likeable character and I hope this continues.

The kingsmoot is, for obvious reasons next season, one of the most important scenes for Weiss, Beinhoff, et al

TimeToShine · 09-07-2014 2:36pm

Has anyone seen these Dornish master plan videos?

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6TBfdd_xNVo

Mind = obliterated. Makes Doran's casting absolutely huge and explains why so many Sand Snakes are being cast?

rawn · 09-07-2014 2:53pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Has anyone seen these Dornish master plan videos?

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6TBfdd_xNVo

Mind = obliterated. Makes Doran's casting absolutely huge and explains why so many Sand Snakes are being cast?

MIND. BLOWN. Holy shít

Mr.Prodston · 09-07-2014 3:50pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Has anyone seen these Dornish master plan videos?

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6TBfdd_xNVo

Mind = obliterated. Makes Doran's casting absolutely huge and explains why so many Sand Snakes are being cast?

I may have gotten a little side-tracked for the past hour or so watching those videos. Class!

It's because of all these little possibilities and connections that I love the books. How you'd communicate any or all of that through the show if true is beyond anyone's guess though :pac:

December2012 · 09-07-2014 6:43pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Has anyone seen these Dornish master plan videos?

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6TBfdd_xNVo

Mind = obliterated. Makes Doran's casting absolutely huge and explains why so many Sand Snakes are being cast?

My dinner is burnt, my kids not in pyjamas yet, my washing not done - my mind BLOWN!

What I love about this is it shows how good these books are that there are so many subtle and simultaneous stories going on at the same time.

If this is the quality of work from George, he can take his sweet time finishing the books if they're going to be this good!

Mickeroo · 09-07-2014 6:58pm

I've only watched part one yet, I'm actually scared to go on, but holy crap!

Edit: Watched part 2 and I'm not sure I buy the mirri maz duur stuff. The way the show has been going I think they would have been a bit more on the nose with some of this stuff, might be a due a re-watch to look for clues though

RobbingBandit · 09-07-2014 8:36pm

Jebus tap dancing zombie christ, that was fcuking awesome and I am still only on part one, as good as the explanation we get from Cersei as to why Tywin hated King Aerys so much, the background stories could last forever from these books.

rawn · 09-07-2014 10:29pm

I don't buy into the Mirri Maz Dur stuff either, how could they have been sure she wouldn't be killed by the Dothraki before she could speak to Danaerys? But everything else he said made an audible click in my brain

season 5 what do expect? (for book readers)

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