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The US Military Wants To 'Microchip' Troops

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  • 08-05-2012 9:00am
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    Run_to_da_hills
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    What we read below would have been totally incomprehensible just 20 years ago, people would have said nothing like this could ever happen. Today we have a vast array of electronic smart card media, NFC technology and electronic cashless enslavement on the brink

    Gullible people are so brainwashed by governments, corporate controlled businesses, media and entertainment so nothing would put a pass if this is just a run up for whats in store.     .

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    The U.S. military apparently wants to start implanting nanochips into troops to supposedly monitor their health on the battlefield. According to numerous reports.

    In a report by Bob Unruh on World Net Daily, privacy expert Katherine Albrecht warned of the incremental steps being taken to eventually implant all humans with dangerous microchips.

    It’s never going to happen that the government at gunpoint says, ‘You’re going to have a tracking chip,’” said Katherine Albrecht, who with Liz McIntyre authored “Spychips,” a book that warns of the threat to privacy posed by Radio Frequency Identification.

    “It’s always in incremental steps. If you can put a microchip in someone that doesn’t track them … everybody looks and says, ‘Come on,’” she said. “It’ll be interesting seeing where we go.”

    “It’s interesting,” she said. “I’m stunned how this younger generation is OK. They don’t see the problem. ‘Why wouldn’t everyone want to be tracked?’”

    Sadly, as noted above, the younger generation is literally alright with being tracked through various means, most startlingly an implantable microchip that would mean the end of freedom and a plethora of health problems including various forms of cancer as shown in pets who have already been chipped.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-military-wants-to-microchip-troops-2012-5


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    Just about anyone with a smart phone has the capability of being tracked if they so wish (or is that NOT tracked if they switch the thing off).

    Even a basic phone tracks everyone to within a few kms when it's active.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just about anyone with a smart phone has the capability of being tracked if they so wish (or is that NOT tracked if they switch the thing off).

    Even a basic phone tracks everyone to within a few kms when it's active.
    I already brought this up on another thread but it is relative here.

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    "From Technology Review: Broadcom has just rolled out a chip for smart phones that promises to indicate location ultra-precisely, possibly within a few centimeters, vertically and horizontally, indoors and out.

    The unprecedented accuracy of the Broadcom 4752 chip results from the sheer breadth of sensors from which it can process information. It can receive signals from global navigation satellites, cell-phone towers, and Wi-Fi hot spots, and also input from gyroscopes, accelerometers, step counters"

    http://www.broadcom.com/products/GPS/GPS-Silicon-Solutions/BCM4752


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    humanji
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    Am I the only one who sees how stupid it is to have your troops easily tracked during missions?


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    humanji wrote: »
    Am I the only one who sees how stupid it is to have your troops easily tracked during missions?
    Depends on where they place the chip, if it is in their arm or hands or arms they could wear signal blocking material.


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    humanji
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    Which defeats the purpose of it.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    humanji wrote: »
    Which defeats the purpose of it.[/QUOTE From this article it states its not for tracking purposes.

    More than likely it would only track the individual when the chip is scanned for a reading just like any smart card.

    ]http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/computers/item/11286-us-military-seeking-implantable-microchips-in-soldiers


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    hooradiation
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    humanji wrote: »
    Which defeats the purpose of it.[/QUOTE From this article it states its not for tracking purposes.

    More than likely it would only track the individual when the chip is scanned for a reading just like any smart card.

    ]http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/computers/item/11286-us-military-seeking-implantable-microchips-in-soldiers

    So an E-dogtag, for want of a better word, with associated medical info.

    Fine by me.


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    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

    So an E-dogtag, for want of a better word, with associated medical info.

    Fine by me.

    The more you use it the more it pinpoint your location, how often do you scan your dog?

    People don't realize that these microchips are a potential trojan and could have their firmware updated to what ever the authorities wants it to be used for, ie accessing your bank account, boarding a bus or train etc.


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    superluck
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    I like this idea, it means you could develop a radar system to detect US soldiers within 50 meters and sell it to the Chinese for mass production.

    Kerching!

    The upside of this is that once everybody has these chips, if you're in an accident and have no ID card on you, the hospital can just scan your chip.

    Imagine other applications though...

    If we tagged all criminals and had a radar system setup, alarms could be set off upon detection in an area. Or you have drones that use the chip as a target before you eliminate them.

    Fantastic technology which I approve of, it will improve safety of citizens not to mention create lots of jobs in the military/security industry.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    superluck wrote: »
    I like this idea, it means you could develop a radar system to detect US soldiers within 50 meters and sell it to the Chinese for mass production.

    .
    More than likely the are all mass produced out their in the first place as with most electronics these days..


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    Jonny7
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

    The more you use it the more it pinpoint your location, how often do you scan your dog?

    People don't realize that these microchips are a potential trojan and could have their firmware updated to what ever the authorities wants it to be used for, ie accessing your bank account, boarding a bus or train etc.

    It's being used for medical purposes. Sounds practical and functional to me.


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    superluck
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    The chips are said to cause cancer in animals and humans so that means more jobs for the pharmaceutical industry developing cancer drugs. It's not bad at all, stop resisting.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    superluck wrote: »
    The chips are said to cause cancer in animals and humans so that means more jobs for the pharmaceutical industry developing cancer drugs. It's not bad at all, stop resisting.

    Revelation describes something similar.
    "And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image" Revelation 16:2


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    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The more you use it the more it pinpoint your location, how often do you scan your dog?

    I... er...what?
    I meant these
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    People don't realize that these microchips are a potential trojan and could have their firmware updated to what ever the authorities wants it to be used for,

    I am beginning to suspect you don't know as much as you let on you do when it comes to these kinds of things or you just have a habit of using misleadingly vivid words.

    Anything this small can't really be updated in the manner you're implying. They're specialised and more importantly small devices. there's not a lot of scope for these to be updated in a 'trojan' manner. Anything like that would need either need to be replaced entirely or if you could update it, it'd involve being hooked into a machine that would do it. Client side updating (like when a new version of Android is released) would be next to impossible.

    The myth of the 'authorities' (Ignoring who these nebulous group(s) are for the moment) could simply 'upgrade' the chip to do whatever scary stuff you want is well beyond the realm of reasonable application.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    hooradiation wrote: »
    I... er...what?
    I meant these



    I am beginning to suspect you don't know as much as you let on you do when it comes to these kinds of things or you just have a habit of using misleadingly vivid words.

    Anything this small can't really be updated in the manner you're implying. They're specialised and more importantly small devices. there's not a lot of scope for these to be updated in a 'trojan' manner. Anything like that would need either need to be replaced entirely or if you could update it, it'd involve being hooked into a machine that would do it. Client side updating (like when a new version of Android is released) would be next to impossible.

    The myth of the 'authorities' (Ignoring who these nebulous group(s) are for the moment) could simply 'upgrade' the chip to do whatever scary stuff you want is well beyond the realm of reasonable application.
    Not at all. You will find explanation to those vivid words if you look no further than here.

    These are all radio based chips and don't need to be removed for an update to the system. All that is really required is a single use personal access code that could be used for a multitude of uses such as your PPS number. Currently your PPS number can be required by up to 64 different departments.

    And yes would not trust these satanic worshiping global elite with anything. If they can continuously invoke terrorism, invent false flag attacks on Aircraft, and artificially create an economic crisis etc I would definitively not trust them with a cashless society or microchip implants.


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    superluck
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    If someone wants to make a bond with the devil, that's up to them.
    You're only wasting your time preaching to people about abuse of technology, let them find out for themselves.
    All you can do is look out for yourself.


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    hooradiation
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Not at all. You will find explanation to those vivid words if you look no further than here.

    i know how RFID works, thank you.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    These are all radio based chips and don't need to be removed for an update to the system. All that is really required is a single use personal access code that could be used for a multitude of uses such as your PPS number. Currently your PPS number can be required by up to 64 different departments.

    This isn't what you were claiming a few posts back, you said that it was a trojan and that and I quote "could have their firmware updated to what ever the authorities wants it to be used for"

    I'm pointing out that dramatically altering how a chip like that works would require a new chip, not a "firmware update".

    Now we have a single purpose PAC, from some indeterminate authority and with no detail of how it'd be used for the kind of nefarious activities you fear.

    You can imagine this all you want, if you want people to pay attention you'd want more than imaginings and propaganda image macros.

    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    And yes would not trust these satanic worshiping global elite with anything. If they can continuously invoke terrorism, invent false flag attacks on Aircraft, and artificially create an economic crisis etc I would definitively not trust them with a cashless society or microchip implants.

    I have no real interest in the mysticism angle you have for this. Satanic worshipping ? You might as well call them Jabberwocky worshipping for all the relevance it has.

    That's before we get into the multitude of claims within the paragraph that would require substantial amounts of evidence to be anything other than wild speculation.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    hooradiation wrote: »

    I'm pointing out that dramatically altering how a chip like that works would require a new chip, not a "firmware update".

    Now we have a single purpose PAC, from some indeterminate authority and with no detail of how it'd be used for the kind of nefarious activities you fear.
    Using Smart card Id for multiple purposes was discussed in a thread a number of years back when tNoel Dempsy was talking about incorporating social welfare into the driving license and no they don't need to change the card to update it.

    The only difference between a RFID implant and a RFID smart card (NFC sticker) is that one is passive transponder sealed inside a glass tube while the other is the exact same thing sandwiched between two pieces of plastic.


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    hooradiation
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Using Smart card Id for multiple purposes was discussed in a thread a number of years back when tNoel Dempsy was talking about incorporating social welfare into the driving license and no they don't need to change the card to update it.

    Well, we've gone from microchipping troops to ID cards.

    And "updating firmware" to give all kinds of new abilities to these 'microchipped' people to just "updating" cards.

    I don't mean to belabour the point, but is there any chance of just sticking to one scenario?


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    hooradiation wrote: »
    Well, we've gone from microchipping troops to ID cards.

    And "updating firmware" to give all kinds of new abilities to these 'microchipped' people to just "updating" cards.

    I don't mean to belabour the point, but is there any chance of just sticking to one scenario?
    Yes smartcards NFC Phones etc and RFID implants have plenty in common. Both can utilize the 13.56mhz frequenct, both share the same software, hardware, hand, portal scanners, pay points, transit turnstiles, security entrances etc.

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    This is very worrying because a change over from smart card to human implant could be easily ushered in across the globe over night by some sort of an economic or terrorist spectacular. Nothing at all would surprise me after what the same evil corporate elite inflicted on the world on September 11th 2001.

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    hooradiation
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Yes smartcards NFC Phones etc and RFID implants have plenty in common. Both can utilize the 13.56mhz frequenct, both share the same software, hardware, hand, portal scanners, pay points, transit turnstiles, security entrances etc.

    While only somewhat true, none of the above is nefarious.


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    This is very worrying because a change over from smart card to human implant could be easily ushered in across the globe over night by some sort of an economic or terrorist spectacular. Nothing at all would surprise me after what the same evil corporate elite inflicted on the world on September 11th 2001.

    And this is all just idle imaginings. You've made the jump from RFID technology exists to "HELLSCAPE DYSTOPIA!" without demonstrating anything that shows how we get from A to B.


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    Lando Griffin
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    this is all just idle imaginings. You've made the jump from RFID technology exists to "HELLSCAPE DYSTOPIA!" without demonstrating anything that shows how we get from A to B.
    One way would be to invent a global virus situation whereby everyone will be encouraged to be vaccinated but the vaccination is its self a self developing nanochip that once administered builds itself in the body.Every so often more updated parts memory, processors etc will be supplied from more vaccinations not necessary in liquid form.


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    RoboClam
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    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    One way would be to invent a global virus situation whereby everyone will be encouraged to be vaccinated but the vaccination is its self a self developing nanochip that once administered builds itself in the body.Every so often more updated parts memory, processors etc will be supplied from more vaccinations not necessary in liquid form.

    It takes years to make an effective vaccine so I don't see this as being possible. How could a nanochip be updated to be able to produce either a whole cell organism or even be able to fold a protein sufficiently to mimic an epitope of a pathogen?


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    hooradiation wrote: »
    While only somewhat true, none of the above is nefarious.
    From privacy point of view yes.
    hooradiation wrote: »
    And this is all just idle imaginings. You've made the jump from RFID technology exists to "HELLSCAPE DYSTOPIA!" without demonstrating anything that shows how we get from A to B.
    Getting rid of cash is the goal of the elite,

    They large corporates are currently working on this through promoting Smartphone and smartcards. Once the groundwork is in they will pull the rug on cash.

    This is already happening in Sweden Nigeria and other countries.

    They then have you by the balls then and could impose anything on you including the forcing of implanted microchips. they were quick enough to introduce international airport restrictions. Remember at this stage our governments would be dissolved and power would be coming from a higher authority such as the EU or some global bank. .


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    outtagetme
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    humanji wrote: »
    Am I the only one who sees how stupid it is to have your troops easily tracked during missions?

    What makes me laugh is "to monitor their health" horsesh!t.

    So what.....GI Joe is tramping around some desert or jungle. His health status is: "backaches, trench-foot, diarrhoea, a scorching case of syphillis from the hookers, hypertension, dehydration, stress, general p!ssed-off-ness, etc. So what are they going to do with/about this information? Fly in with a masseuse, some penicilin and a few energy drinks? What a load of bollocks. You don't need to chip a soldier to monitor his health. Just ask him.....OR is the monitoring health nonsense NOT the real reason


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    hooradiation
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    From privacy point of view yes.

    There's still nothing inherently nefarious about RFID technology.

    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Getting rid of cash is the goal of the elite,

    This is something that keeps on being said, and yet it's never explained.

    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    This is already happening in Sweden Nigeria and other countries.

    I've been to Sweden, quite recently, they still used cash. Lots of it actually. Place is damned expensive....

    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    They then have you by the balls then and could impose anything on you including the forcing of implanted microchips.

    None of this follows from anything you've said previous, how dot he have me by 'the balls'?
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Remember at this stage our governments would be dissolved and power would be coming from a higher authority such as the EU or some global bank. .

    Remember? Why would I 'remember' this new aspect you've just shoe horned in from nowhere with no explanation as to why it's relevant or how it relates to anything previous.

    outtagetme wrote: »
    What makes me laugh is "to monitor their health" horsesh!t.
    Because Armies have no interest in the health of their troops?
    outtagetme wrote: »
    So what.....GI Joe is tramping around some desert or jungle. His health status is: "backaches, trench-foot, diarrhoea, a scorching case of syphillis from the hookers, hypertension, dehydration, stress, general p!ssed-off-ness, etc. So what are they going to do with/about this information? Fly in with a masseuse, some penicilin and a few energy drinks? What a load of bollocks. You don't need to chip a soldier to monitor his health. Just ask him.....OR is the monitoring health nonsense NOT the real reason

    Because people are terrible at reporting their symptoms and will often ignore them, because several health issues don't present in obvious ways, some are even asymptomatic - but arguing from a lack of imagination is good too.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    hooradiation wrote: »

    I've been to Sweden, quite recently, they still used cash. Lots of it actually. Place is damned expensive....
    None of this follows from anything you've said previous, how dot he have me by 'the balls'?
    Remember? Why would I 'remember' this new aspect you've just shoe horned in from nowhere with no explanation as to why it's relevant or how it relates to anything previous.
    I am only going by that press report which no doubt is becoming more evident and not just in Sweden.

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    hooradiation wrote: »
    Because Armies have no interest in the health of their troops?
    Armies have survived since the beginning of mankind without them
    hooradiation wrote: »
    Because people are terrible at reporting their symptoms and will often ignore them, because several health issues don't present in obvious ways, some are even asymptomatic - but arguing from a lack of imagination is good too.
    Perhaps the only valid I could see with Obama's policy of microchipping his soldiers would be that he will need these very same people when he goes about enforcing his microchip policy on the rest of society.

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    Monty Burnz
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    From privacy point of view yes.
    Getting rid of cash is the goal of the elite,

    They large corporates are currently working on this through promoting Smartphone and smartcards. Once the groundwork is in they will pull the rug on cash.
    Why do 'they' want to get rid of cash? (You've already failed to explain who 'they' are except in the vaguest possible terms, so we'll skip over that)
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    This is already happening in Sweden Nigeria and other countries.

    They then have you by the balls then and could impose anything on you including the forcing of implanted microchips.
    How? Why will they 'have you by the balls' without a cash currency system?

    And why are you always warning about the apocalypse that you believe is desirable and inevitable?


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    Monty Burnz
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Armies have survived since the beginning of mankind without them
    Armies survived for a very long time without guns, but for some reason they adopted them too. I wonder why?
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Perhaps the only valid I could see with Obama's policy of microchipping his soldiers would be that he will need these very same people when he goes about enforcing his microchip policy on the rest of society.
    It's going to be hilarious reading this stuff back in a couple of years time, when Obama will no longer be the anti-Christ, but another NEW improved anti-Christ will have come along (presumably whoever the far-right websites tell you is the anti-Christ, most likely the next successful black/female politician, or the next Democrat president).


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    hooradiation
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Armies have survived since the beginning of mankind without them

    Without healthy troops? Well, true enough, but they tended to be on the losing side.

    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Perhaps the only valid I could see with Obama's policy of microchipping his soldiers would be that he will need these very same people when he goes about enforcing his microchip policy on the rest of society.

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    ... How does this follow from pointing out that people are bloody terrible at reporting symptoms they may have?

    Also, I am willing to bet that should Obama win a second term, that in the five years between now and the end of that term, nothing you've predicted with regards to obama having everyone microchipped will have come to pass.

    Of course, if we're dealing with President Willard mittington Romneyford the Third after the twentieth of January, 2013 then not only has this "anti-christ" lost an election to one of the least charismatic politicians in the US but I'm not sure how you're going to reconcile that with all your previous predictions.
    And I'll have won the wager by default.


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