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Pre-populated Licence renewal forms announced.

  • 26-04-2012 4:47pm
    #1
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭


    We mentioned this a while ago as one of the things the FCP managed to have some influence on, but it hadn't been confirmed. Now it has. By email just now:
    To All concerned,

    Please find attached copy of the new Firearm Certificate Renewal Form (FCR). This form has been finalised to coincide with the first renewals of firearm certificates which will commence on 1st August 2012. We currently have 220,000 3 year firearm certificates issued since the introduction of the new legislation on 1st August 2009. The majority of these renewals will be due in 2013 as all old 1 year certificates were extended into 2010.

    Each current holder of a firearm certificate will recieve a PRE POPULATED version of this form in the post approx 3 months before their current certificate expires. All of their details, including the firearm, referees, G.P, land etc will be detailed on the form. As you can see, corresponding boxes are included to facilitate any changes for example in referees, doctor etc. The firearm owner can fill in the changes, if any, and when the form is signed it shall then be returned to the local Station for forwarding to the relevant Superintendent (or Chief Superintendent if a restricted firearm application). If there are no changes, the applicant simply signs the renewal form and brings the FCR form to his/her Garda Station for processing by An Garda Síochána.

    As you can see, this is a much simpler process for firearm owners. When signed off and granted by the Superintendent, then as before, the applicant receives a Grant Notice Letter in the post and when paid will recieve his new 3 year certificate. The current fee structure will not change for the renewals of firearm certificates. It is understood that the hunting endorsement issue will be addressed by the Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht.

    It would be appreciated if you could advise your members of the renewal processes by whatever means available. Information will be placed on the Garda Website www.garda.ie but I appreciate that not all of your members will have access to the internet. Please note that only the PRE POPULATED FCR form will be acceptable to An Garda Síochána and that all amendments are correct prior to returning the FCR to the Garda Station. Finally, the FCR is only used for renewals of firearm certificates. Any new application or substitution for a firearm certificate shall continue to be made on the recently amended FCA1 application form.

    Please bring to the attention of all your members. If I have omitted anybody by mistake, please forward on for their information.

    Paul Greene Sgt,
    Firearms Policy Unit,
    Garda H.Q,
    6661911


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  • #2
    kildare.17hmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Nice one they managed to do something right!


  • #3
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Brilliant! Cheers for the good news Sparks! Had heard it alluded to but I'm very glad to hear this now. :)


  • #4
    Vegeta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Pre-populated form
    No price increase
    Sorting the hunting endorsement

    Where do I send my thanks, credit where it's due, that's good news.


  • #5
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Vegeta wrote: »
    Pre-populated form
    No price increase
    Sorting the hunting endorsement

    Where do I send my thanks, credit where it's due, that's good news.

    The Firearms Consultation Panel (I think it came out of a conversation between the SSAI rep and the FPU rep, but I don't know that for sure). But I'd thank the FPU as well mind you ;)


  • #6
    clivej
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭clivej


    YIPPEE :)


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  • #7
    yog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭yog1


    is it me or does it seem a bit silly sending out a form through the post with all your details on it, and what firearms you have, what if it gets lost,
    how will this new form speed things up, do they still not have to go through the same process as before, can someone explain what i'm missing as going by the rest of the responses its good news :confused:


  • #8
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    yog1 wrote: »
    is it me or does it seem a bit silly sending out a form through the post with all your details on it, and what firearms you have, what if it gets lost,
    how will this new form speed things up, do they still not have to go through the same process as before, can someone explain what i'm missing as going by the rest of the responses its good news :confused:


    The form will be pretty much filled in. All you will have to do is read it, decide if the details are still correct, fill in the odd blank box that needs to be ticked, and then sign it and return it to the Gardai. It will save us and the Gardai a lot of time. We won't have to fill in all the details and the Gardai don't have to type the full form into the Pulse system.

    It also means that we don't have to go look for farmer's permissions, character references etc etc again.

    Pretty much every other form is sent by post, eg. tax credits, p60, payslips, medical card, bank statements, gun licence etc etc and there is rarely a problem there.


  • #9
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,077 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Good to see this has come to frutition;) and a step in the bright direction alright.Kudos and thanks to both sides on this who hammerd this,for once sensible bit of paperwork out.:)

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #10
    ace86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭ace86


    That's a brilliant idea makes it simple and user friendly for people but if you wanted to increase your ammo amount where do right write it in on the form or do you write a letter and send it in with the application?


  • #11
    cookimonster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    ‘GREAT NEWS’ Yes I am shouting, shouting for joy. Not only will this will put the 'rumour mill’ off line for a while but on a more serious note this will be very beneficial for individuals dealing with ‘part time’ Garda Stations.


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  • #12
    lb1981
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭lb1981


    Hopefully this will speed the whole process up, at the moment the time waiting on your license is crazy.


  • #13
    Mauser 308
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭Mauser 308


    Sounds like a big move in the right direction. Fair play to everyone involved. One point though, I assume the application will need to be acompanied by newly signed permission letters from farmers or evidence of gun club / range membership as per normal. I read in an earlier post that they may not be needed, but I cant imagine that they wont be required.


  • #14
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I don't think they would be required Mauser, it's not an application, it's a renewal. The permissions would be assumed to still be valid; if that's changed and you don't tell the AGS, the law says it's your neck, not theirs. And if the membership changed, the law puts the onus on the secretary of the club to notify the AGS as well as yourself.


  • #15
    Vegeta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Sparks wrote: »
    I don't think they would be required Mauser, it's not an application, it's a renewal.

    Cool I didn't see the significance of that at first glance. So It's officially a renewal and not a fresh application?


  • #16
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Vegeta wrote: »
    Cool I didn't see the significance of that at first glance. So It's officially a renewal and not a fresh application?

    Well, that email came directly from the Firearms Policy Unit, so I'd say yes.

    (And as an aside, I think that it's neat that boards.ie is now being officially sent these things, instead of getting them as a side thought)


  • #17
    browning 12 bore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭browning 12 bore


    hey there lads just seen this tat gaurds sending out renewel forms with all our data on them from before so all we do is sign it at the bottom to say there has nothing changed i was very happy when read this
    or maybe this is old neews so sorry if it is


  • #18
    kildare.17hmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Thread in shooting already but your right its great news!


  • #19
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    From the Garda web page on Firearms Certificates:
    Message For All Firearm Certificate Holders

    The first renewals of three (3) year firearm certificates will commence on 1st August 2012. In excess of 220,000 (3) year firearm certificates have been issued since the introduction of the new firearms legislation on 1st August 2009. The majority of these renewals will take place at the latter end of 2012 and throughout 2013 and on into 2014 etc.

    Each current holder of a firearm certificate (with the exception of a Firearm Training Certificate) will receive a PRE POPULATED version of the new Firearms Renewal Form (FCR) in the post approx 3 months prior to the expiry of their current certificate. All details relevant to the current firearm certificate, including the firearm, referees, G.P, land etc will be detailed on the renewal form. Corresponding boxes will be included to facilitate any changes for example a change of referee, doctor etc. The firearm owner can fill in the changes on the renewal form, if any, and when the form is signed it shall then be returned to the local Station for consideration by the relevant Superintendent (or Chief Superintendent if a restricted firearm application). If there are no changes, the applicant simply signs the renewal form and brings the FCR form to his/her Garda Station for processing by An Garda Síochána.



    It is hoped that the renewal system will be a much simpler process than the original application phase that followed the commencement of the new firearms legislation on 1st August 2009. When a decision is made to grant the renewal by the Superintendent (or Chief Superintendent), the applicant will receive a Grant Notice Letter in the post (as is currently the case with a new application) and when paid will then recieve his/her new 3 year certificate by post. The current fee structure will not change for the renewals of firearm certificates.

    Please note that only the PRE POPULATED FCR form will be acceptable to An Garda Síochána when renewing a firearm certificate and each application for renewal must be accurately completed prior to returning the FCR to the Garda Station. Finally, the Firearms Renewal Form (FCR) is only used for renewals of firearm certificates. Any new application or substitution for a firearm certificate shall continue to be made on the recently amended FCA1 application form.

    If a situation arises where a firearm certificate holder does not receive a pre populated Firearms Renewal Form (FCR) prior to the expiry of their current certificate, please immediately contact your local Garda Station. Failure to do so may result in an individual being in possession of an unlicensed firearm. The co-operation of all firearm certificate holders will be essential in ensuring that firearm certificate renewals are properly managed and processed. An Garda Síochána wishes to thank all firearm owners in advance for their co-operation in this area.


  • #20
    browning 12 bore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭browning 12 bore


    mods please feel free to move

    well lads the time is nearly here again for firearm renewels i just seen this thaught id share it as i was wondering this my self as my local firearm officer did not know what way it was going to go so i did my own research and this is what i came up with,
    http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=4144
    apologies if this has already been said in here lads


  • #21
    Conchurl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Conchurl


    my gun license is out in date on the second week of September when should i be getting this form or should i be after getting it already?


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  • #22
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Are you sure about the date?

    The first "batch" (of which i was also a part) back in 2009 were submitted on/after Sept 16 IIRC, and were not processed/issued until October. There was a "false start" when the new licensing system kicked in.

    I submitted my FCA1's in 2009 at the end of July, but never received my first license until October. I still have not received some of my renewals, and one is due in October, but it is just within the 3 month time frame.
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  • #23
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Mine expires 31/10/12 so I should have my forms em, now........

    I don't, why doesn't that surprise me. Will have to ring the cops I guess.


  • #24
    Conchurl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Conchurl


    johngalway wrote: »
    Mine expires 31/10/12 so I should have my forms em, now........

    I don't, why doesn't that surprise me. Will have to ring the cops I guess.

    what place do you ring about it?


  • #25
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Conchurl wrote: »
    what place do you ring about it?

    Not sure, I will irritate my local Garda tomorrow and see what he says back :D

    Here we go:
    If a situation arises where a firearm certificate holder does not receive a pre populated Firearms Renewal Form (FCR) prior to the expiry of their current certificate, please immediately contact your local Garda Station.


  • #26
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,077 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    johngalway wrote: »
    Mine expires 31/10/12 so I should have my forms em, now........

    I don't, why doesn't that surprise me. Will have to ring the cops I guess.

    Was onto the FPU on this yesterday,as mine run out just around the time for me annual pilgrimage to Hungary for Phessies:eek:.
    They said the first batch should issue within the next 7/10 days.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #27
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    They said the first batch should issue within the next 7/10 days.

    To bet the farm or not :D

    Three years to get things in order and already for the 31/10/12 crowd their three months will be eaten into.


  • #28
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    johngalway wrote: »
    To bet the farm or not :D

    I should have, my three pre populated forms arrived today.


  • #29
    Vizzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    johngalway wrote: »
    I should have, my three pre populated forms arrived today.

    Oh ye of little faith


  • #30
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Vizzy wrote: »
    Oh ye of little faith

    Or much experience :p


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  • #31
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    I received 2 today. Interestingly they no longer have Firearms dept on the envelope.
    Good to see that the PTB are copping on a small bit with regards to their own security protocol.


  • #32
    LB6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭LB6


    Received a few in the post today, one of which I no longer own. :eek:


  • #33
    Mezamo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Mezamo


    Same here! there's a gun on it I subbed 18 months ago... MUPPETS!


  • #34
    richiedel123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭richiedel123


    One of mine came back and it said my shotgun was a double barrel single barrel ha ha


  • #35
    German pointer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭German pointer


    A Mate of mine got 2 yesterday for guns subed last year, none for the gun he still has


  • #36
    boc121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭boc121


    I recieved 2 of 3 today i was wondering i dont have permission for a mod on my rifle how to apply thought there was a box to tick but it seems not.
    Any ideas??


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  • #37
    dazed+confused
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭dazed+confused


    boc121 wrote: »
    I recieved 2 of 3 today i was wondering i dont have permission for a mod on my rifle how to apply thought there was a box to tick but it seems not.
    Any ideas??

    Ah, you are missing the maigc "S". There is a box to tick on the form.
    It doesn't seem to matter whether you tick the box or not though, sometimes the licence comes back with an "S" on it, sometimes it doesn't.


  • #38
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    boc121 wrote: »
    I recieved 2 of 3 today i was wondering i dont have permission for a mod on my rifle how to apply thought there was a box to tick but it seems not.
    Any ideas??
    Fill in the renewal. In the section where it asks do you have permission for a "silencer" tick NO. Because you don't.

    Then write a letter of extra information requesting a moderator, and reasons why you need one.

    Send it off, and wait. All you can do. I have done the exact same thing for a neighbour. He did not have a mod, but now wants one. So when he gets his license i'll tell ya if it worked or not.
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  • #39
    boc121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭boc121


    Ezridax wrote: »
    Then write a letter of extra information requesting a moderator, and reasons why you need one.

    Thats what i was thinking,cheers for reply.


  • #40
    ace86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭ace86


    dazed+confused wrote: »
    Ah, you are missing the maigc "S". There is a box to tick on the form.
    It doesn't seem to matter whether you tick the box or not though, sometimes the licence comes back with an "S" on it, sometimes it doesn't.

    Can i ask if your renewal forms come and you already have permission for a moderator will it be marked on the form or will you have to tick the box again and send in a letter justifying why you need it?


  • #41
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    If your renewal comes, and you have the "S" on your current license then in the appropriate section (4.2 i think) it asks "Do you have permission for a "silencer". Tick YES.

    These are pre-populated meaning for the most part filled in. they simply want to confirm you are the same person, same guns, and same details. It's not a trick or to catch you out. If you have the "S", and tick the box it's 99% that you should get it on your renewed license.
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  • #42
    browning 12 bore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭browning 12 bore


    got my gun renewels today very easy i must say only filled in like any new phone numbers or any new information the rest was all printed but when i was done talking to local garda bout it he said ill be up to your house to check on safe and security i said no prob is this new he said yes the super wants to check on all safes :eek:


  • #43
    Seamus357
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭Seamus357


    The renewal forms ask for proof of gun club membership. Do they mean we have to send our actual membership cards back with the renewal forms? Or do we just show the Guard in the station our membership card when we are dropping down with the form? I don't like the idea of sending off the actual cards.


  • #44
    dev110
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,147 ✭✭✭dev110


    If you could photocopy both sides and attach it to your application that's all that should be needed


  • #45
    Conchurl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Conchurl


    Seamus357 wrote: »
    The renewal forms ask for proof of gun club membership. Do they mean we have to send our actual membership cards back with the renewal forms? Or do we just show the Guard in the station our membership card when we are dropping down with the form? I don't like the idea of sending off the actual cards.

    i took mine to the station and he took a photo copy of it and put it with the application.


  • #46
    dungfly
    Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭dungfly


    Where do I post my FCR form? Or do I hand it into the local Garda station?


  • #47
    Cass
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    You can do either, but no matter which you do it must go back to your local station. So post it to them or hand it in. Personally i would hand it in so it's done, and you know it is.
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  • #48
    rowa
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    Cass wrote: »
    You can do either, but no matter which you do it must go back to your local station. So post it to them or hand it in. Personally i would hand it in so it's done, and you know it is.

    Make sure you get the name of the rozzer you hand it to, that way if it goes missing you have a name and it has some chance of it being traced.


  • #49
    Heckler
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    Cass wrote: »
    You can do either, but no matter which you do it must go back to your local station. So post it to them or hand it in. Personally i would hand it in so it's done, and you know it is.

    Hi,

    I was going to post mine back to the station as it would be easier to get a photo of the Loch Ness monster than pin down my FO but I was wondering about Section 7-Checklist. Does this not have to completed in the company of the FO ?


  • #50
    Cass
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    Your FO has three (i think) bits s/he can tick. That they know you, they have dealt with you before, or you produced ID to prove who you are.

    If you post in the form, and they need to see you to confirm who the application belongs to they can ring you to come in, but with my local lad he always ticks the box as he knows me from years of dealing with me.

    So once the rest of the form is in order you should be grand.

    Posting the form may not prevent you from having to go into the station it just means it gets delivered directly to the FO. IOW in situations where it is hard to catch them you ca make sure they do get it.
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  • #51
    cerastes
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    the thread is ending where Im looking for information,
    My renewal says in a general note,

    You must apply, on the enclosed FCR form, to the Superintendant of the Garda Division in which you reside.

    Id intended to send it by registered post to the Superintendant of the district Im in, (who is not at my local station, but one near).
    I confirmed the Supers name but was told by a Garda at the local station to hand it to someone else (who Im aware deals with Firearms applications and renewals but who I have never met, just spoke to on the phone).

    Im thinking of just handing it in now, but how is there a record of that??

    and am I not better sending it to the Super? if it lands on someone elses desk, it might be parked there? or are renewals processed speedily?
    Its for a .22 rifle.


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