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shorten barrel

  • 02-03-2012 04:06PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭


    im looking for someone to shorten the barrel on a cz17hmr and rethread it
    anyone know of such a person
    plus what difference does it make to accuracy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭daithi55


    the accuracy will be the same but the bullet trajectory will be lessened


    6.5x25-CBJ-HET-Frang-Trajectories.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭rowa


    Bit of information here as to the velocity loss due to barrel length, any good gundealer should be able to get the barrel shortened for you.

    http://www.bullberry.com/HMRdata.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    And aside from the accuracy, remember that there's a lower limit (50cm) below which shortening the barrel of a rifle is illegal in Ireland (there's gray area about buying one which is made with a sub-50cm barrel, but none at all about cutting down past that point).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭rowa


    Sparks wrote: »
    And aside from the accuracy, remember that there's a lower limit (50cm) below which shortening the barrel of a rifle is illegal in Ireland (there's gray area about buying one which is made with a sub-50cm barrel, but none at all about cutting down past that point).

    I was looking at the ruger 10/22 tactical and it has a very short barrel , i would be surprised if it is 50cm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭davekangoo


    i was only thinking of bringing mine from a 22 down to 16 inch


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭rowa


    davekangoo wrote: »
    i was only thinking of bringing mine from a 22 down to 16 inch

    According to the site in the link above you would lose very little velocity at 16".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Hibrion


    If I was getting another 10-22 I'd go for the tactically. They're a very nice rifle!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭rowa


    Hibrion wrote: »
    If I was getting another 10-22 I'd go for the tactically. They're a very nice rifle!

    They're supposed to be much more accurate then previous heavy barrel semi's from ruger too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    davekangoo wrote: »
    i was only thinking of bringing mine from a 22 down to 16 inch
    You'd be breaking the law.
    Cutting it down to 20 inches would be fine (the limit's 19.68 if you want to get technical), but below that and unless it's done for a repair and immediately rebuilt up past the limit by a registered firearms dealer, you're breaking section 12A of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 (inserted by section 65 of the 2006 act). If convicted, there's actually a minimum five-year sentence (but I think they'd use sub-section 11 to avoid giving that).

    rowa wrote: »
    I was looking at the ruger 10/22 tactical and it has a very short barrel , i would be surprised if it is 50cm.
    Yup. There are quite a few licenced firearms under the 50cm limit for rifles and the 61cm limit for shotguns; but if you have a licence for it, you can argue in court that you were issued the licence for it at that length and that constitutes lawful authority to have a firearm that short.

    However, to the best of my knowledge, nobody has done this yet so we don't know if it will be accepted. It could go either way (we know of licences which were issued for firearms you cannot legally own in the EU; therefore it's possible to issue a licence which is null and void, leaving the applicant in legal limbo).

    In other words, if you get done for having a licenced rifle that's shorter than the legal limit, don't tell them I said it was okay, cos that's not what I'm saying :D


    When you shorten a barrel though, you don't even have that fig leaf to hide behind. Your licence was issued for the longer barrel length, you've materially altered your firearm and broken the Firearms Act in the process. Completely different kettle of fish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭rowa


    The ruger is a smidge over 16" which surprises me as it seems shorter then that , i read somewhere that the optimum length for a .22 lr barrel is 12-13".

    http://ruger.com/products/1022Tactical/models.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭jagged


    Can a .22lr be shortened? I have a cz 452 and was thinking of getting it done as its quite long when the mod is added.. Can anyone recommend a dealer in tipp area to deal with? Paul o halloran or stakelums etc??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭zeissman


    I was going to get my 22lr cut to 16ins but after reading that info from sparks
    I have decided not to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭lefthooker


    Lets say you get pulled up over the length of the barrel on your rifle and lets say its 16", whose to say you didn't buy it that way?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭rowa


    lefthooker wrote: »
    Lets say you get pulled up over the length of the barrel on your rifle and lets say its 16", whose to say you didn't buy it that way?

    A phone call to the manufacturer by the garda ballistics dept.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭juice1304


    it's still your responsibility to know the law


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    lefthooker wrote: »
    Lets say you get pulled up over the length of the barrel on your rifle and lets say its 16", whose to say you didn't buy it that way?
    If you're hauled up over this, it will be your responsibility to prove you bought it that way and that the licence was issued for the rifle at that length, because that's your defence against a charge; if you offer a defence in court, you have to prove it, it's not like they'll take you at your word.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭lefthooker


    Fair enough Sparks but then should the laws be amended to acommadate for all the new rimfires available with 16" barrels?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    They definitely need to be altered allright - the whole point of that section of the law was to be able to catch gangsters before they shot someone with a cut-down gun and put them in jail for a long time; that your licence isn't explicitly stated to be a sufficient defence against having a firearm under that set length or having one cut down to below that length is a bug, not a feature. There are good reasons for having shorter rifles and shotguns; they just weren't made clear to the PTB at the time or lobbied for correctly. The FCP wasn't around at the time; if it had been, I don't think we'd have this problem today, it's too easy to fix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭lefthooker


    All those acronyms make my brain melt:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    All it took was two? :D
    PTB - Powers That Be (aka, the Minister, the Dail, the Seanad, the Department, the Commissioner, the Chief Super, the Super, the Garda in general and the local county council ('cos they do planning permission for ranges)). To be fair, that's a fairly worthy acronym :D

    FCP - Firearms Consultation Panel. Do a search up there at the top of the page if you have a spare week and want some reading :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭lefthooker


    Yes 2- I'll hold my hands up. Its this goddamn acronym world we live in.:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭jagged


    jagged wrote: »
    Can a .22lr be shortened? I have a cz 452 and was thinking of getting it done as its quite long when the mod is added.. Can anyone recommend a dealer in tipp area to deal with? Paul o halloran or stakelums etc??

    Anybody???!!!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    As dealers they send out their work so why not ring them and ask who they send their work to then go with that person.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,217 ✭✭✭clivej


    jagged wrote: »
    Anybody???!!!


    Dominic Byrne, Fergal White, search boards.ie for mor details


    any very good local engineering shop if you know what you need doing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Alucan


    I got the barrel on my cz 17hmr shortened to 16 inch its a much nicer gun to shoot now specially when the mod is on it any machine shop will do it
    but most wont strip and rebuild it but its pretty easy to do yourself and there is no difference in accuracy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭rowa


    Alucan wrote: »
    I got the barrel on my cz 17hmr shortened to 16 inch its a much nicer gun to shoot now specially when the mod is on it any machine shop will do it
    but most wont strip and rebuild it but its pretty easy to do yourself and there is no difference in accuracy

    Be extremely careful dropping a firearm or a part of a firearm into any machine shop without knowing them or researching them ,i went for an interview for a job in a engineering workshop once and it turned out the owner had just been released under the good friday agreement for making mortar tubes for the " irish rifle association" :eek:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭zeissman


    rowa wrote: »
    Be extremely careful dropping a firearm or a part of a firearm into any machine shop without knowing them or researching them ,i went for an interview for a job in a engineering workshop once and it turned out the owner had just been released under the good friday agreement for making mortar tubes for the " irish rifle association" :eek:.
    Never leave your firearm with anyone unless they have a firearms dealers licence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Alucan


    rowa wrote: »
    Be extremely careful dropping a firearm or a part of a firearm into any machine shop without knowing them or researching them ,i went for an interview for a job in a engineering workshop once and it turned out the owner had just been released under the good friday agreement for making mortar tubes for the " irish rifle association" :eek:.

    He should be able to handle a small job like shorting a barrel then :D:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭rowa


    Alucan wrote: »
    He should be able to handle a small job like shorting a barrel then :D:

    Yeah, and he could just as easily send of his buddies with balaclavas around to do a home collection, stick with getting work done by rfd's.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    clivej wrote: »
    any very good local engineering shop if you know what you need doing
    Alucan wrote: »
    ............. any machine shop will do it
    but ...............
    Remember lads, that any gunsmith, rifle builder, etc has an RFD to allow him to posess, store the firearm while work is carried out on it. So..........;
    zeissman wrote: »
    Never leave your firearm with anyone unless they have a firearms dealers licence.
    ........ is the best adivce that can be given. If you leave the gun with someone in a machine shop/engineering shop, etc. and they don't have an RFD license then both of ye are in the s**t.

    I'm not 100% on how ye stand on being present while the work is done. Yes you are covered because as the licensed owner of the firearm it is in your possession, but the law makes it clear all work to be carried out by a compentent RFD. I'll make further inquiries about this, but ALWAYS air on the side of caution.

    Go to an RFD, and know you are 100% covered, insured, guaranteed.
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