Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Rebel1977 · 09-07-2011 10:00pm

Rebelfan; I have to agree with what you say time for likes of Cusack etc to go and let likes of Coleman, and other youngsters stake their claim. Strike has left a bad taste to be fair. These days footballers get much better support than the hurlers. If this was Kilkenny likes of Niall and Gardiner be gone by such is the great converyer belt Kilkenny has coming through but sadly we dont have that conveyer belt

Show Time · 09-07-2011 10:06pm

Rebel Fan wrote: »

I hate to ask but is anybody really surprised at this result? I thought Galway would win but I was expecting it to be tight, Cork hurling is in such a bad place right now. We have too many players with too many miles on the clock Cusack, Gardiner, Curran, the O Connor twins, Nialler to name but a few. The fact that these guys are still on the team doesn't say too much about what's coming through, if it was Kilkenny or Tipp they would be struggling for a place or been gone long ago. However, and I take no pleasure in saying this, Cork hurling is where it is mainly because of the last strike by the players. Most of the above named players were the ringleaders and they have brought hurling in the county to its knees. Don't get me wrong, they have been great servants to Cork over the years but they will always be remembered for the wrong reasons IMO, Cusack especially. Player power rules in Cork these days and this has destroyed the grassroots of hurling in the county. Most of these players have lost the respect of the public in Cork, it's time for them all to bite the bullet and walk away from intercounty hurling. The same can be said for Denis Walsh, a nice man and all that but definitely not up to the standard required, when he was appointed it raised a few eyebrows and he hasn't improved hurling at all. We're now at a stage where we'll probably be struggling to stay in Division 1 next year in The National League. So where does Cork hurling go from here? IMO it's time for all the old timers in the squad to walk away, it'll be sad to see some go but it has to be for the good of the county. The ringleaders of the last strike have to be let go, Walsh must also walk away. Time to start with a clean slate. Donal O Grady has to be coaxed back into management of the hurlers, a school principal of The Mon he'll take no crap and he'll get us on the right road again. He walked into Limerick and has taken them to within 1 game of the semi final, and who wouldn't bet against them being the dark horses this year? A long shot yes, but you can be assured he'll get the best out of them. It saddens and angers me as a Corkman to see him managing another county, would he ever come back and manage Cork? With the way the county board is set up and the player power in the squad, never in a million years IMO. So sad!

Right on the money really.

Charledontsurf · 09-07-2011 10:34pm

Rebel Fan wrote: »

I hate to ask but is anybody really surprised at this result? I thought Galway would win but I was expecting it to be tight, Cork hurling is in such a bad place right now. We have too many players with too many miles on the clock Cusack, Gardiner, Curran, the O Connor twins, Nialler to name but a few. The fact that these guys are still on the team doesn't say too much about what's coming through, if it was Kilkenny or Tipp they would be struggling for a place or been gone long ago. However, and I take no pleasure in saying this, Cork hurling is where it is mainly because of the last strike by the players. Most of the above named players were the ringleaders and they have brought hurling in the county to its knees. Don't get me wrong, they have been great servants to Cork over the years but they will always be remembered for the wrong reasons IMO, Cusack especially. Player power rules in Cork these days and this has destroyed the grassroots of hurling in the county. Most of these players have lost the respect of the public in Cork, it's time for them all to bite the bullet and walk away from intercounty hurling. The same can be said for Denis Walsh, a nice man and all that but definitely not up to the standard required, when he was appointed it raised a few eyebrows and he hasn't improved hurling at all. We're now at a stage where we'll probably be struggling to stay in Division 1 next year in The National League. So where does Cork hurling go from here? IMO it's time for all the old timers in the squad to walk away, it'll be sad to see some go but it has to be for the good of the county. The ringleaders of the last strike have to be let go, Walsh must also walk away. Time to start with a clean slate. Donal O Grady has to be coaxed back into management of the hurlers, a school principal of The Mon he'll take no crap and he'll get us on the right road again. He walked into Limerick and has taken them to within 1 game of the semi final, and who wouldn't bet against them being the dark horses this year? A long shot yes, but you can be assured he'll get the best out of them. It saddens and angers me as a Corkman to see him managing another county, would he ever come back and manage Cork? With the way the county board is set up and the player power in the squad, never in a million years IMO. So sad!

Can't argue with that.

dartbhoy · 09-07-2011 10:51pm

The time has come for major changes in the senior team. It's time to let younger players stake a place on the team and time for the likes of Cusack,Jerry and Ben,Niall Mac and possibly a few more to make way and let the younger lads try and make Cork a hurling force again.

It's going to take time for Cork to be a major force again,Tipp went through a famine of 16 years without a Munster title and 18 years without an All Ireland and in Cork we could be looking at that! Even our near neighbours in the Kingdom went through a famine of 11 years at 1 time without a football All Ireland!

As for Denis Walsh I reckon his time has come to an end with Cork but there mightn't be too many applicants willing to replace him!

dartbhoy · 09-07-2011 10:52pm

Rebel Fan wrote: »

I hate to ask but is anybody really surprised at this result? I thought Galway would win but I was expecting it to be tight, Cork hurling is in such a bad place right now. We have too many players with too many miles on the clock Cusack, Gardiner, Curran, the O Connor twins, Nialler to name but a few. The fact that these guys are still on the team doesn't say too much about what's coming through, if it was Kilkenny or Tipp they would be struggling for a place or been gone long ago. However, and I take no pleasure in saying this, Cork hurling is where it is mainly because of the last strike by the players. Most of the above named players were the ringleaders and they have brought hurling in the county to its knees. Don't get me wrong, they have been great servants to Cork over the years but they will always be remembered for the wrong reasons IMO, Cusack especially. Player power rules in Cork these days and this has destroyed the grassroots of hurling in the county. Most of these players have lost the respect of the public in Cork, it's time for them all to bite the bullet and walk away from intercounty hurling. The same can be said for Denis Walsh, a nice man and all that but definitely not up to the standard required, when he was appointed it raised a few eyebrows and he hasn't improved hurling at all. We're now at a stage where we'll probably be struggling to stay in Division 1 next year in The National League. So where does Cork hurling go from here? IMO it's time for all the old timers in the squad to walk away, it'll be sad to see some go but it has to be for the good of the county. The ringleaders of the last strike have to be let go, Walsh must also walk away. Time to start with a clean slate. Donal O Grady has to be coaxed back into management of the hurlers, a school principal of The Mon he'll take no crap and he'll get us on the right road again. He walked into Limerick and has taken them to within 1 game of the semi final, and who wouldn't bet against them being the dark horses this year? A long shot yes, but you can be assured he'll get the best out of them. It saddens and angers me as a Corkman to see him managing another county, would he ever come back and manage Cork? With the way the county board is set up and the player power in the squad, never in a million years IMO. So sad!

Well said,have to agree with everything said.

Orizio · 10-07-2011 5:05am

In what way is Niall past it? He has been one of our best players all year. If more lads had his addtitude we wouldn't have lost my half as much. He is going to be starting next year, full stop.

dartbhoy · 10-07-2011 8:31am

Orizio wrote: »

In what way is Niall past it? He has been one of our best players all year. If more lads had his addtitude we wouldn't have lost my half as much. He is going to be starting next year, full stop.

The half forward line was the poorest area for Cork hurlers this year. Niall Mac should go,end of story.

dartbhoy · 10-07-2011 8:46am

County Under 21 B football semi final result; Cill Na Martra 0-12 Buttevant 1-6. This game was played in Kanturk last night. Well done to the local referee who did a good job despite been severely intimidated by some of the Buttevant players and management who IMO behaved like thugs with their carry on in the field and the sideline.

rebel girl 15 · 10-07-2011 3:46pm

Orizio wrote: »

In what way is Niall past it? He has been one of our best players all year. If more lads had his addtitude we wouldn't have lost my half as much. He is going to be starting next year, full stop.

I agree - in fairness, Niall has matured a lot as a player in the last few years, and is playing very well all year

The_Kew_Tour · 10-07-2011 6:51pm

Happy with football draw?

I have to say wanted to avoid Tyrone, Meath and Kildare.

It be tricky but it could been worse

teednab-el · 10-07-2011 8:13pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Happy with football draw?

I have to say wanted to avoid Tyrone, Meath and Kildare.

It be tricky but it could been worse

I would have loved to have got Meath so that we could beat them off the park like 2007.

Down will be tough, I cant see Antrim beating them, but I still fancy Cork to beat Down.

Browney7 · 10-07-2011 8:44pm

There's some smell of depression off this thread. In fairness lads the famine down in Cork is nothing compared to other counties.

Ye will stay in division 1 comfortably next year. You could put fifteen scarecrows into cork Jersies and Limerick would still find a way to lose to them. Cork will always be Cork. There's no disputing that. give it a few years and ye will probably be on for three in a row again.

Ye should dispatch Down comfortably enough. I think they are over rated and were fortuitous all Ireland finalists last year.

teednab-el · 10-07-2011 8:59pm

Browney7 wrote: »

There's some smell of depression off this thread. In fairness lads the famine down in Cork is nothing compared to other counties.

Ye will stay in division 1 comfortably next year. You could put fifteen scarecrows into cork Jersies and Limerick would still find a way to lose to them. Cork will always be Cork. There's no disputing that. give it a few years and ye will probably be on for three in a row again.

Ye should dispatch Down comfortably enough. I think they are over rated and were fortuitous all Ireland finalists last year.

It could take more than a few years to be honest, they don't have the hurlers at the moment. Don't know where they are going to come from?

rebel girl 15 · 10-07-2011 9:36pm

teednab-el wrote: »

It could take more than a few years to be honest, they don't have the hurlers at the moment. Don't know where they are going to come from?

From the imaginary cabbage patch the CCB think we have outside PUC

Orizio · 10-07-2011 11:42pm

dartbhoy wrote: »

The half forward line was the poorest area for Cork hurlers this year. Niall Mac should go,end of story.

Utterly clueless.

Rebel1977 · 11-07-2011 6:11pm

Cusack/Gardiner/Kenny/Ben/Jerry/Cussen/Fraggy/O'Neill /Curran should all go I think time for a fresh start fresh ideas lot of the above have been around a long time, shane o neill looked awful this year injuries must have taken their toll on him. Give Coleman a go in goals he is a class keeper time for Cusack to go. The likes of Conor Lehane, Luke, Pauide, Pa Cronin, Lorcan, Hoggie, Cadogan are the future of Cork hurling build with them, there has to be talent in Cork, only problem is some of our best hurlers play football i.e. Aidan Walsh, Ciaran Sheehan,

SeaFields · 11-07-2011 8:47pm

Rebel1977 wrote: »

only problem is some of our best hurlers play football i.e. Aidan Walsh, Ciaran Sheehan,

wasnt too much of a problem last september when they were bringing sam home :pac:

Tony Considine's article in the examiner today will have been a sobering read for many of the cork panel and management. Cut them to pieces basically and told them to go.

Rebel Fan · 11-07-2011 8:53pm

Browney7 wrote: »

There's some smell of depression off this thread. In fairness lads the famine down in Cork is nothing compared to other counties.

Ye will stay in division 1 comfortably next year. You could put fifteen scarecrows into cork Jersies and Limerick would still find a way to lose to them. Cork will always be Cork. There's no disputing that. give it a few years and ye will probably be on for three in a row again.

Ye should dispatch Down comfortably enough. I think they are over rated and were fortuitous all Ireland finalists last year.

Depression may be one word for it but reality is what I would call it. It's been 6 years since we won The All Ireland, for a county that has 30 titles that is a famine. I know other counties haven't been as fortunate as us in the past but its a well known fact that success breeds greed. Cork people are a proud bunch and we don't like it when we're not performing at the highest level. We have been knocked off our perch by Kilkenny and at the minute we're not even in the top 7 or 8 in the country. The only crumbs of comfort is that our footballers seem to be challenging for honours again.
As for your prediction about the Down game well I hope you're right. I'm a Corkman living in County Down, married to a Down woman and my son is a Down fanatic (Nobodys perfect I suppose!!!) Personally I think it's going to be a lot closer than people think, in fact I think we may struggle in this one. The mood up here is that Downfolk are confident they will beat Antrim and will be chomping at the bit for a crack off us, they have the firepower to cause us big problems. However, I think we will win and it will hopefully be the game that kickstarts our season. If there was any complacency in the camp from winning Sam last year it's been well and truly stamped out with defeat to that other lot last week.

slingerz · 12-07-2011 10:13am

Rebel1977 wrote: »

Cusack/Gardiner/Kenny/Ben/Jerry/Cussen/Fraggy/O'Neill /Curran should all go I think time for a fresh start fresh ideas lot of the above have been around a long time, shane o neill looked awful this year injuries must have taken their toll on him. Give Coleman a go in goals he is a class keeper time for Cusack to go. The likes of Conor Lehane, Luke, Pauide, Pa Cronin, Lorcan, Hoggie, Cadogan are the future of Cork hurling build with them, there has to be talent in Cork, only problem is some of our best hurlers play football i.e. Aidan Walsh, Ciaran Sheehan,

Some of our best footballers have played hurling for years - Kenny, Gardiner, Sean Og, Curran, Cadogan.

After the result against Galway and the success of the footballers if Cadogan had to decide between hurling and football he has to pick Conor Counihan's side

Orizio · 12-07-2011 12:21pm

...why the **** would Shane O'Neill go? He is almost younger then me ffs and spent most of the year injured. He is the same age as Pa Cronin and Hoggie iirc, or a year off.

Mountainlad · 12-07-2011 12:40pm

SeaFields wrote: »

wasnt too much of a problem last september when they were bringing sam home :pac:

Tony Considine's article in the examiner today will have been a sobering read for many of the cork panel and management. Cut them to pieces basically and told them to go.

Considine has nothing better to do than this. He is probably bitter that his poor managerial performance has taken away from his credibility as an all-ireland winning selector. I don't like his articles, he comes across as very spiteful all to often. The demise of Cork is greatly exaggerated. Every team needs time to rebuild. I mean just look at the players that were on the Tipp 21s team last year that Cork should have beaten; Paudie Maher, Brendan Maher, Bonner Maher, John O Keefe, Noel McGrath, Michael Cahill. And they'd a good team around that as well. This year all those players are overage. They were very unconvincing in the end against a Waterford side that has 12 or 13 players available again next year and 7 the year after and two of those that started are still minor! Add in the fact that Brian O Halloran is injured and some bad refereeing decisions (the fact that we were down to 14 for most of the second half) and Tipp will have asked serious questions of themselves. If this Cork team are good, which I believe they are, they should win on Friday and who knows what they could achieve after that! You could be seeing things in a completely different light altogether come the end of the year.

Show Time · 12-07-2011 12:44pm

Rebel1977 wrote: »

Cusack/Gardiner/Kenny/Ben/Jerry/Cussen/Fraggy/O'Neill /Curran should all go

All they will be remembered for at this point is strike after strike.

premierstone · 12-07-2011 12:49pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

I mean just look at the players that were on the Tipp 21s team last year that Cork should have beaten; Paudie Maher, Brendan Maher, Bonner Maher, John O Keefe, Noel McGrath, Michael Cahill. And they'd a good team around that as well. This year all those players are overage.

Noel McGrath is underage, as are 7 of the team that started last years AI final.

premierstone · 12-07-2011 12:52pm

Show Time wrote: »

All they will be remembered for at this point is strike after strike.

Donal Og, Gardner, Curran and the two o'Connors will also be remembered as some of the finest players of their generation who changed how the game was played.

Mountainlad · 12-07-2011 1:02pm

premierstone wrote: »

Noel McGrath is underage, as are 7 of the team that started last years AI final.

Sorry he is and captain, got a bit ahead of myself. Yeah but you were at the game, it's hard to say they were convincing. I mean John O Neill was very good and some of the backs played well, Curran is a good hurler, but they are certainly nothing like last years team.

Show Time · 12-07-2011 1:05pm

premierstone wrote: »

Donal Og, Gardner, Curran and the two o'Connors will also be remembered as some of the finest players of their generation who changed how the game was played.

And instead of cementing that legacy season after season was spent fighting with the Co Board and management whenever a toy was thrown from the pram.

premierstone · 12-07-2011 1:06pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Sorry he is and captain, got a bit ahead of myself. Yeah but you were at the game, it's hard to say they were convincing. I mean John O Neill was very good and some of the backs played well, Curran is a good hurler, but they are certainly nothing like last years team.

No but tbf last years team was a bit of an exception, yeah I was at the Waterford game, our backs are poor imo the Corner Back Haugh is the only one that will make it to senior, possibly Brian Stapelton, the forwards are very good and 4 of them have been on the Tipp senior panel already

Mountainlad · 12-07-2011 1:09pm

premierstone wrote: »

No but tbf last years team was a bit of an exception, yeah I was at the Waterford game, our backs are poor imo the Corner Back Haugh is the only one that will make it to senior, possibly Brian Stapelton, the forwards are very good and 4 of them have been on the Tipp senior panel already

Paddy Murphy was poor enough the last day. O'Meara works in fits and starts, very good at times but not consistent. Bubbles was kept well under wraps by a 17 year old, though he is a very good player. Who was the other half forward I'm forgetting?

premierstone · 12-07-2011 1:10pm

Show Time wrote: »

And instead of cementing that legacy season after season was spent fighting with the Co Board and management whenever a toy was thrown from the pram.

I agree that the strikes went too far and have left a bitter sweet feeling over that crop of players but to suggest that that is all they will ever be rembered for is not true, now Sean Og is a different story

premierstone · 12-07-2011 1:16pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Paddy Murphy was poor enough the last day. O'Meara works in fits and starts, very good at times but not consistent. Bubbles was kept well under wraps by a 17 year old, though he is a very good player. Who was the other half forward I'm forgetting?

Paddy Murphy is extremely frustrating player very hot and cold was about to be subbed last year against Clare in the munster final next thing he scored 6 points from play in about ten minutes, Buggy O'Meara is not reaching the level he was at last year at all and seems to be carrying a bit of weight from what i've seen of him, Bubbles is an arrogant moody sort of a young lad he could score 1-10 from play or he could be taken off at HT.

The 6 forwards were Curran, Murphy, O'Meara, Bubbles, Adrian Ryan, and Johnno Neill. Buggy and Ryan switched. Whats lacking there is a real match winner if Tipp were struggling all lovely hurlers on their day but you#d worry about any of them diggin Tipp out of a hole.

Mountainlad · 12-07-2011 1:32pm

Do you know how many Cork have from last year? I know Egan is still there, are McLoughlin and McCarthy? Jamie Coughlan was good against Waterford last year and there is alot of talk about this Lehane lad.

premierstone · 12-07-2011 1:46pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Do you know how many Cork have from last year? I know Egan is still there, are McLoughlin and McCarthy? Jamie Coughlan was good against Waterford last year and there is alot of talk about this Lehane lad.

Yeah Egan is still eligle, Aidan Walsh is playing, Coughlan, Lehane, O'Farrell, Nagle, and watch out for Drake he is definitely one for the new Cork Senior management to look at. Their FB line is shakey but other than that a pretty strong and balanced team.

Mountainlad · 12-07-2011 1:53pm

Should be a very good game anyway. As should the Clare v Limerick game. Maybe Clare will be buoyed by the minors success but if you ask me I think Limerick have a good chance in this one.

Orizio · 12-07-2011 4:15pm

Show Time wrote: »

All they will be remembered for at this point is strike after strike.

Only by bitter half-wits.

Orizio · 12-07-2011 4:25pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Do you know how many Cork have from last year? I know Egan is still there, are McLoughlin and McCarthy? Jamie Coughlan was good against Waterford last year and there is alot of talk about this Lehane lad.

McLoughlin and McCarthy are overage, but we have a stronger team this year then last. I'm guessing the team will be...

Darren Mac (B'Martle)

B. Withers (Duhallow somewhere) Finn (B'Hassig) S. Corry (B'Martle)

Nagle (Midleton) Egan (Kilbrin) Ellis (Millstreet)

Roche (Sars) S. O'Farrell (Midleton)

Drake (Carrigaline) Lehane (Midleton) Brosnan (The Glen)

M. O'Sullivan (Tracton) L. O'Farrell (Midleton) Coughlan (Newtown)

If we hold Tipp's full-forward line we'll win, but thats a very big ask.

Indie. · 12-07-2011 4:34pm

Orizio wrote: »

B. Withers (Duhallow somewhere)
.

From Banteer.

I personally think that Ellis will start at center back as he would be more suited to marking Paddy Murphy who is a big man

premierstone · 12-07-2011 4:48pm

Orizio wrote: »

McLoughlin and McCarthy are overage, but we have a stronger team this year then last. I'm guessing the team will be...

Darren Mac (B'Martle)

B. Withers (Duhallow somewhere) Finn (B'Hassig) S. Corry (B'Martle)

Nagle (Midleton) Egan (Kilbrin) Ellis (Millstreet)

Roche (Sars) S. O'Farrell (Midleton)

Drake (Carrigaline) Lehane (Midleton) Brosnan (The Glen)

M. O'Sullivan (Tracton) L. O'Farrell (Midleton) Coughlan (Newtown)

If we hold Tipp's full-forward line we'll win, but thats a very big ask.

Will Aidan Walsh not start do you think?

Show Time · 12-07-2011 5:33pm

Orizio wrote: »

Only by bitter half-wits.

Cork could have been the team of the decade only for all the infighting caused by the stars of the team. Mark my words in 40 odd years time the likes of Sean Og will only be remembered for what money he could make from handing out awards to underage East Cork players.

Orizio · 12-07-2011 7:42pm

premierstone wrote: »

Will Aidan Walsh not start do you think?

Either him or Drake, tbh I have no idea how much hurling has has done over the last few months. It would probably be prudent to keep him on the bench but there is a good chance he'll start as another primary ballwinner because of the above team only Brosnan and Lehane are decent in the air.

willietherock · 13-07-2011 12:04am

Show Time wrote: »

Cork could have been the team of the decade only for all the infighting caused by the stars of the team. Mark my words in 40 odd years time the likes of Sean Og will only be remembered for what money he could make from handing out awards to underage East Cork players.

I bet your mother is proud of you.

Show Time · 13-07-2011 2:12am

willietherock wrote: »

I bet your mother is proud of you.

What has that got to do with the state Cork hurling is in?

Major changes needed especially at the top table of the Co Board and selectors and management. Is the overhaul of the underage in full swing yet?

Orizio · 13-07-2011 1:51pm

willietherock wrote: »

I bet your mother is proud of you.

Ignore the troll.

Show Time · 13-07-2011 2:23pm

Orizio wrote: »

Ignore the troll.

Truth hurts eh?

Orizio · 13-07-2011 3:22pm

http://corkgaa.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/galway-2-23-cork-1-14-all-ireland-hurling-qualifiers-and-afterwards/

Orizio · 13-07-2011 9:48pm

Rebel1977 wrote: »

I agree with you. Heard he used charge gaa clubs for medal presentations, total disgrace.

Link or apologise to a Cork Hurling legend.

Orizio · 13-07-2011 9:52pm

Show Time wrote: »

Truth hurts eh?

You're right, I'm visciously hurt by your made up insults. If only I had the bravery and courage to be an junior b hurler anonymously insulting and slandering a Cork legend that gave a decade's worth of blood and sweat for his county from the safety of my computer. Alas, I lack your obviously considerable sense of dignity and moral strength.

Show Time · 13-07-2011 10:23pm

I did also ask a serious question about underage development or is there anything been done there.

dartbhoy · 13-07-2011 10:35pm

Orizio wrote: »

Utterly clueless.

Typical response I expected from you.

Orizio · 13-07-2011 10:35pm

Show Time wrote: »

I did also ask a serious question about underage development or is there anything been done there.

Well there was a five year plan put in place (or else put forward to the CCB) a year or so back which looked excellent, and apparently there is a massive amount of new coaches in the county over the last couple of years plus full-time development coaches (not sure if they are still in place) and underage development squads. At the same time a lot of people are still saying Cork hurling underage is nowhere near as well prepared as the footballers, so who knows if things are getting better.

Show Time · 13-07-2011 10:53pm

Orizio wrote: »

Well there was a five year plan put in place (or else put forward to the CCB) a year or so back which looked excellent, and apparently there is a massive amount of new coaches in the county over the last couple of years plus full-time development coaches (not sure if they are still in place) and underage development squads. At the same time a lot of people are still saying Cork hurling underage is nowhere near as well prepared as the footballers, so who knows if things are getting better.

Long road ahead so.:(

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