Formula 1 2014: General Discussion Thread

TheChrisD · 13-01-2014 6:06pm

Infoanon wrote: »

Nascar and Anthony West in Moto GP used #13, IndyCar don't use the number.

Viso in 2009.

SamAK · 13-01-2014 6:13pm

Zcott wrote: »

if anyone has a Sky account with F1 and is looking for a financial donation, let me know...

Kickass Torrents has got me through the last two seasons of F1!

Myrddin · 13-01-2014 6:16pm

Very sad to hear, he always seemed a really top bloke & so proud of Jenson. RIP

Killinator · 13-01-2014 6:18pm

R.I.P

A constant at every GP, like Webbers Dad he seemed like he just enjoyed being part of it all while offering his support to Jenson.

Devastating loss for JB, hoping it doesn't destroy his season before it even starts, John will be missed by alot of people on the grid and in the paddock.

greedygoblin · 13-01-2014 6:34pm

A huge loss. It's funny how during Jenson's title winning season, the cameras used always manage to find him just as Jenson crossed the line.
R.I.P.

ItsChecoTime · 13-01-2014 7:22pm

Very sad news, thoughts are with his family, seemed a very popular man on the paddock and will be missed. RIP

doubledown · 13-01-2014 7:38pm

RIP John.

I'll miss seeing that pink shirt in the paddock...

Ghost Train · 13-01-2014 7:44pm

RIP, Always seemed to be Jensons biggest fan

bitemybanger · 13-01-2014 7:48pm

RIP
very sad. Prayers with Jenson and family.

Zcott · 13-01-2014 8:03pm

KarlFitz01 wrote: »

Same hope it isn't true Gary was good when they where talking about the technical part of the cars.

The blog post I referenced has been updated to say that Anderson was pushed rather than jumping of his own accord. Seems odd to do in a year with massive technical changes. Wonder if they have anyone else lined up, like a recently retired team boss from a German team?

Zcott · 13-01-2014 8:04pm

SamAK wrote: »

Kickass Torrents has got me through the last two seasons of F1!

Yeah...I prefer to watch live and with a decent video quality. Those two things only happen with a Sky subscription :-(

Zcott · 13-01-2014 8:05pm

Horrible news for anyone but especially about someone so well liked and respected in the paddock.

Myrddin · 13-01-2014 8:44pm

Zcott wrote: »

The blog post I referenced has been updated to say that Anderson was pushed rather than jumping of his own accord. Seems odd to do in a year with massive technical changes. Wonder if they have anyone else lined up, like a recently retired team boss from a German team?

Brundle, Humphrey, & now Anderson...how the mighty Beeb have fallen in recent years. They were the apex of F1 coverage not so long ago

Infoanon · 13-01-2014 8:47pm

TheChrisD wrote: »

Viso in 2009.

D'oh - thanks - same sponsor as Pastor !

Autosport · 13-01-2014 9:39pm

RIP John Button, Thoughts and Prayers to his family, definitely going to miss seeing him in the paddock and his interviews.

Frank Bullitt · 13-01-2014 9:42pm

Very sad news, thoughts with his family.

christy c · 13-01-2014 10:12pm

R.I.P. Just after reading about him, Jenson wouldn't be where he is without him- borrowing and working to fund his racing

ZiabR · 14-01-2014 10:00am

Myrddin wrote: »

Brundle, Humphrey, & now Anderson...how the mighty Beeb have fallen in recent years. They were the apex of F1 coverage not so long ago

And it was essentially free!

Zcott · 14-01-2014 11:52am

logik wrote: »

And it was essentially free!

Yeah, they've really dropped the ball. Since they announced all their cost cutting measures F1 has become a second class sport. All F1 TV contracts state that at least some races will be on free to air, so to me it sounds like the BBC are doing the bare minimum to get by. Which is a shame.

To be fair to them, though, it was probably inevitable. F1 has been increasingly moving to pay TV all over Europe and it was only a matter of time before Sky wanted that contract. I'd pay for Sky but I don't want to pay for a thousand channels just to watch F1, so I'm stuck with illegal streams.

Myrddin · 14-01-2014 12:02pm

Zcott wrote: »

I'd pay for Sky but I don't want to pay for a thousand channels just to watch F1, so I'm stuck with illegal streams.

Yeah, it's pretty poor that UPC won't bother offering Sky F1 here...I know Sky have no problem giving the channel 3rd party rights in the UK which makes it all the more annoying here. I use Sky GO when it's a non BBC race, & even with a 120Mb connection, it can be still fair/middling quality wise at times. Had a few drop outs too so I switch to Setanta when that starts happening, & then back to GO when Setanta start horsing around with ads.

BBC - Half the races not covered
Setanta - A computer controlling live coverage means awful, awful coverage
Sky F1 - Expensive, & a channel you'll watch for a few days every month for ten months of the year only.
Sky GO - Quality can suffer.

ZiabR · 14-01-2014 12:45pm

I got Sky F1 HD myself as part of the HD package with Sky 2 years ago as it was on 14 euro a month as opposed to Sky Sports being 40+ euro a month.

Love their coverage and as Myrddin says, I watch it for days even in-between races.

Jordan 199 · 14-01-2014 2:52pm

Williams F1 Team strengthens technical department.

That's good news. Hopefully they will provide Felipe with a decent car this year

Frankie Lee · 14-01-2014 11:10pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Williams F1 Team strengthens technical department.

That's good news. Hopefully they will provide Felipe with a decent car this year

Am I alone in thinking that Bottas will be the quicker of the two?

Peanut Butter Jelly · 14-01-2014 11:15pm

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Am I alone in thinking that Bottas will be the quicker of the two?

No, but that said, I think it will be very close.

Jordan 199 · 15-01-2014 2:39am

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

No, but that said, I think it will be very close.

I think it will be very close too, but I think Massa will just edge it over Bottas.

smellslikeshoes · 15-01-2014 3:37am

It's going to be one of the most interesting team mate battles I think. Would love to see Massa do well but I also think Bottas is something very special. My guess would be Bottas ends up with slightly more points through consistency but Massa has the more impressive individual results.

flazio · 15-01-2014 3:46am

In relation to Anderson's loss, big shame, I hope perhaps he may still be involved with 5Live at some point or that viewers might petition BBC to reinstate him. I remember thinking he was quite a coup for RTÉ when he joined them way back when.

ZiabR · 15-01-2014 10:20am

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Williams F1 Team strengthens technical department.

That's good news. Hopefully they will provide Felipe with a decent car this year

This is great news, seems they are really trying again. I mean the last two seasons have been their worst in the history of the sport no?

Zcott · 15-01-2014 12:37pm

logik wrote: »

This is great news, seems they are really trying again. I mean the last two seasons have been their worst in the history of the sport no?

Yep, aside from Pastor's freak win in Barcelona 2012 it's been a dire few years. They're in a transition period away from Patrick Head and Frank Williams and they're just struggling to get back on their feet. Having said that, everyone wants to see Williams do well and it's not impossible that they can't do well again. Post-Senna, McLaren were hardly a team to be reckoned with - their cars from 1993-1997 were awful until Adrian Newey came along. Hopefully Pat Symonds can do something good at Williams, and having Smedley there can only bring out the best in Felipe.

Jordan 199 · 15-01-2014 3:32pm

Ferrari to launch this years challenger on the 25th of January.

Fans can choose the name for this years car on the Ferrari website.

_rebelkid · 15-01-2014 3:48pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Ferrari to launch this years challenger on the 25th of January.

Fans can choose the name for this years car on the Ferrari website.

The exciting thing about that? The picture that they have on the article for Ferrari's own website:

NO ARDVARK/MALE GENITAL NOSE!!!!

ZiabR · 15-01-2014 3:53pm

Can't bloody wait! Roll on testing!

ZiabR · 15-01-2014 3:55pm

Nice article on the new fuel rules:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/01/15/new-fuel-limit-2014-toughest-f1-rule/

_rebelkid · 15-01-2014 3:56pm

As far as I can tell, this is the general shape:

Remember, general shape... I can't draw...

KarlFitz01 · 15-01-2014 4:37pm

Cant wait to see the car, Voted for F14 Maranello.

counterlock · 15-01-2014 5:04pm

_rebelkid wrote: »

As far as I can tell, this is the general shape:

Remember, general shape... I can't draw...

Nailed It

ZiabR · 15-01-2014 5:16pm

_rebelkid wrote: »

The exciting thing about that? The picture that they have on the article for Ferrari's own website:

NO ARDVARK/MALE GENITAL NOSE!!!!

Look how narrow the front wing has become... :mad:

Downforce will be greatly reduced.

Last years front wings were 150mm wider...

muckwarrior · 15-01-2014 5:32pm

logik wrote: »

Look how narrow the front wing has become... :mad:

Downforce will be greatly reduced.

Last years front wings were 150mm wider...

People complained when the front wings were made wider, saying they looked like snow ploughs.

podmu80 · 15-01-2014 8:16pm

Is it definitely the '14 car? Over on the autosport forum, people are saying that photo is from 2010?

Frank Bullitt · 15-01-2014 8:41pm

Its the 2010 car folks, calm down.

podmu80 · 15-01-2014 8:44pm

I was thinking that nose was to good to be true!! It does look too high given the new regs.

lolie · 15-01-2014 9:52pm

Looked very high alright and to nice for a 2014 nose.
Adam cooper posted this on twitter a few days ago

@adamcooperf1
Talked a technical director recently about 2014 noses. He said: "You are going to get so bored talking about how ugly these cars are..."

In other news gerard lopez says the Lotus deal with Quantam is off
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12473/9117675/lotus-chairman-gerard-lopez-says-the-team-have-broken-off-talks-with-quantum-motorsports

"The Quantum money never arrived. We broke things off with them," he said.

He must have been the only person in the world in the first place who thought the deal would go through.

ZiabR · 16-01-2014 10:56am

Gintonious wrote: »

Its the 2010 car folks, calm down.

How did I miss that!

ZiabR · 16-01-2014 1:17pm

Some news:

Ecclestone tipped to buy Nurburgring

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/01/16/f1-fanatic-round-1601/

Pirelli confirm extention to tyre deal

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/01/16/pirelli-confirms-three-year-f1-deal/

Peanut Butter Jelly · 16-01-2014 2:55pm

So Lotus racked up a total debt of £114m last year, and they owed £80m of that to Genii. And that Quantum Motorsports deal has now officially been written off. Mansoor Ijazz doesn't have that money anywhere. Kimi Raikkonen still has to recieve part of his Salary from last year also, though head of Genii and Lotus Owner Gerard Lopez has said that Kimi will be paid in full. But the most interesting part of that article is this, Lotus are on the FIA entry list as "Subject to confirmation".

recyclebin · 16-01-2014 3:06pm

Pastors money is probably keeping them in business. Don't Genii also have big loans from Group Lotus?

ZiabR · 16-01-2014 3:06pm

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

So Lotus racked up a total debt of £114m last year, and they owed £80m of that to Genii. And that Quantum Motorsports deal has now officially been written off. Mansoor Ijazz doesn't have that money anywhere. Kimi Raikkonen still has to recieve part of his Salary from last year also, though head of Genii and Lotus Owner Gerard Lopez has said that Kimi will be paid in full. But the most interesting part of that article is this, Lotus are on the FIA entry list as "Subject to confirmation".

How a team that produced race wins has fallen so far short is beyond me. They are in big trouble. It's sad to see though because they are a decent team and F1 needs them. It was obvious early on that the deal with Quantum was going nowhere, as much as Eric denied it the case.

I can't see Kimi being paid any money if I am honest. You saw the statement during the year stating that his salary could pay the entire wage book of all the staff back home in the factory and in turn keep people in work and the factory open.

Peanut Butter Jelly · 16-01-2014 3:25pm

logik wrote: »

How a team that produced race wins has fallen so far short is beyond me. They are in big trouble. It's sad to see though because they are a decent team and F1 needs them. It was obvious early on that the deal with Quantum was going nowhere, as much as Eric denied it the case.

I can't see Kimi being paid any money if I am honest. You saw the statement during the year stating that his salary could pay the entire wage book of all the staff back home in the factory and in turn keep people in work and the factory open.

They are the scripters of their own downfall. Kimi's salary was €8m which isn't surprising, until you realise he was getting €50,000 a point bringing that to €17.5m for last season.

ZiabR · 16-01-2014 3:55pm

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

They are the scripters of their own downfall. Kimi's salary was €8m which isn't surprising, until you realise he was getting €50,000 a point bringing that to €17.5m for last season.

That is ridiculous alright.

Max_Charger · 16-01-2014 5:57pm

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

They are the scripters of their own downfall. Kimi's salary was €8m which isn't surprising, until you realise he was getting €50,000 a point bringing that to €17.5m for last season.

logik wrote: »

That is ridiculous alright.

Not really. Most, if not all, professional sports people will have some sort of performance based bonus written into their contract and we're talking about a previous world champion.
I'd like to know how much F1 teams get for each point scored, which I'm guessing is multiples of that €50,000, also when you factor the exposure sponsors get which keeps them happy and when trying to negotiate new sponsors. Lotus probably not the best example to use for this though...

Formula 1 2014: General Discussion Thread

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