Homeland [Showtime - US] [ Spoilers ]

naughto · 22-11-2011 3:33am

i think she was put incharge of the task force cos they knew she would f1ck it up,sol is to clean for as well.great ending to night ep did no see it coming even though i had my doubts about brody.

The Black Oil · 22-11-2011 9:59am

So, given the diplomatic plates, Walker and Brody are being run by a foreign state, right? Or is it just someone who's part of Al Qaeda who happens to be from a particular country? The first time I saw the diplomatic plates I thought 'right, the FBI or CIA will have a bug in the car because that's what TV and films have taught us', but clearly not. :pac: Brody must be mentally tough if he's keeping all this under his hat.

The Black Oil · 28-11-2011 8:22pm

I get the global dynamics and all that, but I still have no idea where this is going.

Mr E · 29-11-2011 8:51pm

Strange episode.. definitely fills in some of the backstory and gives Brody some motive behind what he's doing. Hard to figure out

if Walker is going to shoot the VP, why is Brody being asked to infiltrate the Government?

- 3 episodes to go...

expectationlost · 01-12-2011 9:42pm

its good but why does the intro suggest the america was attacked out of the blue like it hadn't been at war and attacking the rest of the world every day of its existence?

MagicMarker · 01-12-2011 9:44pm

expectationlost wrote: »

its good but why does the intro suggest the america was attacked out of the blue like it hadn't been at war and attacking the rest of the world every day of its existence?

Who gives a shít? Politics forum is that way >>>>>>>>>

robjones1981 · 01-12-2011 11:05pm

It really is an excellent show, gripping stuff

Shame only 3 episodes left

Biggins · 01-12-2011 11:12pm

expectationlost wrote: »

its good but why does the intro suggest the america was attacked out of the blue like it hadn't been at war and attacking the rest of the world every day of its existence?

There would be an uproar of course. Would give the US politicians reason alone to go on a rant for the sake of hearing their own voice on primetime news.

crushproof · 01-12-2011 11:38pm

Brody For Prez

expectationlost · 01-12-2011 11:38pm

is or isn't this tv programme intelligent enough to reflect that reality

why is the cia being portrayed as defensive agency?

DeepBlue · 01-12-2011 11:42pm

expectationlost wrote: »

is or isn't this tv programme intelligent enough to reflect that reality

To be fair they showed that the FBI agents could get off scot free after gunning down the innocent Muslims in the mosque and Saul had no issue with writing up the report to spin it in their favour. I thought that was pretty ballsy.

I'm surprised there's only 3 shows left. I kind of felt it was still mid-season. Sign of a good show I suppose or just the fact that I got into this late. :pac:

stevenmu · 02-12-2011 3:48pm

expectationlost wrote: »

its good but why does the intro suggest the america was attacked out of the blue like it hadn't been at war and attacking the rest of the world every day of its existence?

At the risk of going way OT for this forum, it suggests that because the attack was out of the blue both for the American people and particularly for the CIA. The possible argument that they should have expected it based on America's foreign policy has no relevance to the storyline so far, and so it hasn't been dealt with so far. Similarly while there are various theories about how much American intelligence agencies knew ahead of the attack, within the reality of the show Carrie didn't know and blames herself for not knowing, which is a large motivation for her character.

She sees 9/11 as her own personal failing because she didn't see it coming, and so she is strongly focused on preventing another attack to redeem herself.

(and personally I'm guessing she'll be so focused on Brody/Walker that she'll miss another threat entirely, leading to season 2)

Elohim · 02-12-2011 9:19pm

stevenmu wrote: »

(and personally I'm guessing she'll be so focused on Brody/Walker that she'll miss another threat entirely, leading to season 2)

That'd be a cool ending. Walker's attack is stopped as it's probably just a decoy anyways, another attack happens which is by Nazir but by another cell, and Brody gets into political office by being a war hero wanting to defend the country.

opr · 05-12-2011 5:02pm

That was a great episode. Show going from strength to strength which is surprising as I thought it would run out of steam. Long may it continue.

Opr

tvnutz · 05-12-2011 9:36pm

Great episode. Only 2 left now. Will be interesting to see where it leads.

The Black Oil · 06-12-2011 11:25pm

Good episode. Some good stuff during the interrogation (I liked how Saul didn't say much) and some of the facial expressions from Carrie and Brody throughout the ep were good as well. Once the drawing of the heart appeared in the diplomat's window it was game over for him.

Plus, Saul and his peanut butter!

spiritcrusher · 07-12-2011 12:06am

Yeah, really enjoyed that... again. Remarkably consistent show, which is unusual for something with such a twisty turny plot. They somehow even managed to pull off the scene in the park, which to be fair has been done loads (inckuding the recent Rubicon), without it seeming overly clichéd.
Very interested to see where Brody is going to go with his mission. I'm also a small bit skeptical of the young boy that was killed being Nazir's son though. Wouldn't put it passed him to have picked up some homeless child with the full intention of using him to manipulate Brody. Bit of a stretch, but I'm very skeptical of all recently revealed plot and character information... The show has made me paranoid, I don't trust anything it tell me! Meant in the best possible way of course :pac:
Ah, tis a great oul telly show. Best thing on at the moment by a good distance.

naughto · 07-12-2011 1:18am

the heart on the window was a way of telling them that he had being caught
and that he was fully aware that he was to be killed.
i still think the mole in the cia is carrie and sauls boss

The Black Oil · 07-12-2011 8:20pm

It's interesting how the stories of Brody and the Saudi diplomat mirror each other. Both are/were under pressure from external forces, are/were in a bit of a corner and have to protect their young families, etc.

Someone must know about Carrie and Brody's trip to the woods, though. Maybe we won't see much political campaigning in the final episodes, but as Jessica said, it's bound to come out, right?

Thing is, given the show's twisty turny nature so far, I'm kinda hoping they don't throw some ultra shock twist in at the end and ultimately undo some of the good work that's gone before. It wouldn't surprise me if they do, but as you say, they need to try and stick to one thing whilst still making compelling TV. Surely whoever is helping Walker is bound to have some US political connections in addition to Middle Eastern or Al Qaeda ones. After all, he's no lone wolf. They seem to want to us to think that the mole is somewhere in the inner circles of the CIA (that is, the likes of David, Saul, Carrie or their support team). I'm not so convinced, but no doubt I'll soon be proven wrong. Saul's reminder about whoever slipped yer man the blade, etc didn't feel like it was said to remind the audience of those particular incidents, but more of a 'hint, hint' to bolster that the theory that the mole's in the CIA. I don't know. David seems unlikely to me on the basis that we don't know him terribly well/he's not had much screen time.

Do you think Carrie's bipolar might slip out at work next season?

'**** the charter'
Amen, Saul.

Basq · 11-12-2011 2:17pm

Fully caught up with this now... best new US show this year by far. Absolutely fantastic!

And not a single weak link in that cast.

Funny in that the promos did nothing for me, but the show continues to go from strength to strength.

Edal · 11-12-2011 3:14pm

On episode 4 and loving it thus far.

The only criticism I'd have is the lead actress, Claire Danes. I think she's overly dramatic at times, and not very CIA-ish, like Naomi Watts in Fair Game, for example.

Perhaps it's not fair to compare the big screen to TV actors, but she could have toned it down a little. Maybe she's just a poor actress?

As for the rest of the cast, top, top notch. Excellent plot and writing too.

Be warned, it's a bit addictive, in the same way as The Killing (Forbrydelsen), although not in the same league IMO. Then again what is?

tvnutz · 11-12-2011 4:23pm

Edal wrote: »

On episode 4 and loving it thus far.

The only criticism I'd have is the lead actress, Claire Danes. I think she's overly dramatic at times, and not very CIA-ish, like Naomi Watts in Fair Game, for example.

I think she plays it like that because of the character's medical condition,you always feel like she could snap. She is taking anti-psychotics!

Edal · 11-12-2011 5:40pm

tvnutz wrote: »

I think she plays it like that because of the character's medical condition,you always feel like she could snap. She is taking anti-psychotics!

Fair point.

Gingervitis · 12-12-2011 4:48pm

tvnutz wrote: »

I think she plays it like that because of the character's medical condition,you always feel like she could snap. She is taking anti-psychotics!

And boy does it show in this episode...Holy sheeeeit. Claire Danes has gone up a lot in my estimation this episode; despite Brody having a very foreboding trip and getting a foreboding package, I was far more gripped by Carrie's plot, which really shows her up for the fractured genius that she is. She's almost like a Cassandra, whom nobody will believe now that Brody's thrown her under the bus. I thought there would be 13 episodes, but next week is the 90 minute finale...damnit!

In a season of some very disappointing drama from Dexter to the Talking Dead and with Fringe seemingly doomed (Boardwalk Empire I'm excluding because I haven't been following it - I'm sure it's fantastic though), this has become my number one show of the autumn. It really needs more attention, not least because some of the scenes and interactions are up there with Breaking Bad for pure tension and gut wrenching sucker punches.

Love it.

The Black Oil · 12-12-2011 5:06pm

Claire Danes is great. Outside of this, watch Temple Grandin.

Here, I think she brought credibility to the illness without overacting.

I think Brody's daughter has good intuition, even if you don't include her trying to check the parcel, she knows something's up. I didn't really buy the scene in the diner. Really liked Saul's scene of putting the pieces together - good to see him analysing a bit, not just supervising, etc. Here's there, by her side, then he obviously can't be there at the end...the revelation about her illness certainly knocked him a bit. The last scene was tough to watch.

DeepBlue · 12-12-2011 5:07pm

That was a great episode. I thought Brody's daughter wouldn't make it to the end of the episode. :eek:
Roll on the finale. Can't wait.

niemad · 12-12-2011 6:36pm

Really liked episode 11, didn't blink throughout the whole last scene :P

spiritcrusher · 12-12-2011 8:09pm

Well, that was a tough enough watch, especially at the end seeing all her work get taken down just after Saul put it together. Brody... you prick.
Only one more left... my Monday evenings will be a lot less, eh, dramatic.

MagicMarker · 12-12-2011 8:18pm

Surely Brody has now implicated himself? She's gonna go straight for him now.

Another brilliant episode though.

Biggins · 12-12-2011 8:22pm

Danes acted well in the 11th part. Well acted indeed.
Something has to happen that with either mean Saul will convince his boss to let Dane's character back in somewhat or she will do something independently which will convince others she's on the right track.

Either way, can't wait for the next/last part - should be good.

TwoShedsJackson · 12-12-2011 9:54pm

This episode was absolutely sensational, Clare Danes was amazing throughout.

The Black Oil · 13-12-2011 12:03am

MagicMarker wrote: »

Surely Brody has now implicated himself? She's gonna go straight for him now.

He's probably pretty clean from the CIA's point of view and any doubts about him would probably be put down to Carrie being out of sorts, the unsanctioned surveillance, etc. Saul might stick up for her. If Brody hasn't flinched thus far, I can't see Carrie getting some out of him.

Wonder where this image is from. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm923844352/nm0507073 I've not watched any press or behind the scenes stuff, must look for some after the finale.

naughto · 13-12-2011 12:14am

very good ep it shows what she would be like of the meds but is way to much of a wacko not to be on them.she acted very well .iam stil goin as david being the mole.is there a 2nd season tell me there is ??

expectationlost · 13-12-2011 1:00am

how do they not know they bombed him and killed his people at the yellow period

Biggins · 13-12-2011 1:48am

expectationlost wrote: »

how do they not know they bombed him and killed his people at the yellow period

They (the Americans) probably thought he was either dead by that stage or buried in a hole as a prisoner somewhere.

expectationlost · 13-12-2011 5:46pm

Biggins wrote: »

They (the Americans) probably thought he was either dead by that stage or buried in a hole as a prisoner somewhere.

yes but now they know he's not so why would it be a hole in their timeline

cyrusdvirus · 13-12-2011 5:46pm

expectationlost wrote: »

yes but now they know he's not so why would it be a hole in their timeline

because they don't know what he was doing during that time frame

MagicMarker · 13-12-2011 5:48pm

expectationlost wrote: »

yes but now they know he's not so why would it be a hole in their timeline

They're looking for the reason why there's a gap in the timeline, they know they bombed him and that he survived but they don't know they killed his son. This is why there's a gap, because he was grieving/planning/whatever terrorists do when their son has just been blown up.

expectationlost · 13-12-2011 6:19pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

They're looking for the reason why there's a gap in the timeline, they know they bombed him and that he survived but they don't know they killed his son. This is why there's a gap, because he was grieving/planning/whatever terrorists do when their son has just been blown up.

well the vp or P said we don't think we killed any chidlren, but everyone else isn't stupid enough to believe that, theres clare danes saying ooh he had tradgey, surely between her and saul they can figure out that's when they bombed him, there should be a big drawing of bomb on their timeline, saying we bombed him maybe we killed somebody he was close to.

Elohim · 13-12-2011 7:06pm

expectationlost wrote: »

well the vp or P said we don't think we killed any chidlren, but everyone else isn't stupid enough to believe that, theres clare danes saying ooh he had tradgey, surely between her and saul they can figure out that's when they bombed him, there should be a big drawing of bomb on their timeline, saying we bombed him maybe we killed somebody he was close to.

Not really, the bomb that we know about only killed school kids. The Americans would probably assume faulty intelligence and forget about it. Also, the probably dropped loads of bombs elsewhere and finding the bomb that caused a major terrorist to go quiet wouldn't be easy I presume.

expectationlost · 13-12-2011 8:35pm

Elohim wrote: »

Not really, the bomb that we know about only killed school kids. The Americans would probably assume faulty intelligence and forget about it. Also, the probably dropped loads of bombs elsewhere and finding the bomb that caused a major terrorist to go quiet wouldn't be easy I presume.

the purposely dropped a bomb on his compound and the president went on tv to talk about, they are not going to forget it.

don ramo · 15-12-2011 1:39am

naughto wrote: »

is there a 2nd season tell me there is ??

of course there is
http://www.tvline.com/2011/10/showtime-renews-homeland-season-2/

wow this week has taken the show up another notch, claire danes is just unbelievable,

going by the video at the end we know whats suppose to happen but will it happen, this can really go either way, i honestly cant tell what there gonna do, the writers will kill the VP or P without hesitation, and thats why this show is so good,

the_monkey · 15-12-2011 11:22pm

Is there just one episode left of season 1 ?

opr · 16-12-2011 12:11am

Basq wrote: »

Fully caught up with this now... best new US show this year by far. Absolutely fantastic!

And not a single weak link in that cast.

Funny in that the promos did nothing for me, but the show continues to go from strength to strength.

While I hold this show in very high regard I am guessing you have yet to watch 'Boss' with Kelsey Grammer, ?

Opr

TwoShedsJackson · 16-12-2011 11:14am

the_monkey wrote: »

Is there just one episode left of season 1 ?

Yes, although it is a 90 minute double episode which with Showtime not having ads should actually mean an 80-something runtime, unlike network shows that claim a double episode and are then about fifteen minutes longer than a normal ep.

Edal · 17-12-2011 12:39am

opr wrote: »

While I hold this show in very high regard I am guessing you have yet to watch 'Boss' with Kelsey Grammer, ?

Opr

+1. Boss is truly superb TV. Grammer is mind-blowing. Amazing acting all round and some very quirky direction at times.

Can't wait for the finale of Homeland. Boss has tipped for me for best show of 2011. Probably the best since The Wire actually.

MagicMarker · 17-12-2011 11:48am

Edal wrote: »

+1. Boss is truly superb TV. Grammer is mind-blowing. Amazing acting all round and some very quirky direction at times.

Can't wait for the finale of Homeland. Boss has tipped for me for best show of 2011. Probably the best since The Wire actually.

Now I know what I'll be watching all day today. Sweet!

Richard Dower · 18-12-2011 1:02pm

Season finale tonight!

The Black Oil · 18-12-2011 1:30pm

Have you been watching this, Richard?

Richard Dower · 18-12-2011 2:32pm

Black Oil wrote: »

Have you been watching this, Richard?

No, i watched the pilot....just felt i didn't have enough time to watch it + everything else, i dumped a load of shows recently as i have lost alot of interest in tv, it became a bit too much like work, the entertainment went out of it

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