Ulster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

totallegend · 09-08-2011 2:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

sickening amount of youth in that side and bench.

Darren Cave and Ian Whitten are the old hands babysitting the young lads - what are they, 23, 24??
Great for Ulster, great for Ireland and as you say they have the likes of Spence and Marshall yet to come in, fair play to them.

chupacabra · 09-08-2011 9:07pm

Good to see Adam Macklin back

CIARAN_BOYLE · 09-08-2011 9:15pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/14460261.stm

Academy player Ricky Andrew plays for Ulster tomorrow night after returning from a season with the Castres Academy. Hopefully he's yet another Ulster prospect in the backs to compete with Gilroy.

Ulster: A D'Arcy; C Gaston, D Cave, I Whitten, R Andrew; J McKinney, P Marshall; T Court, A Kyriacou, D Fitzpatrick; T Barker, N McComb; P Wannenburg, C Henry, R Diack.

Replacements: C Black, P McAllister, A Macklin, J Cronin, J Burns, L Stevenson, M McComish, W Faloon, I Porter, P Jackson, C Gilroy.

I don't know anything about Burns I assume he is a hooker because there is no other hooker in the replacements. Is he an AIL lad on trial or an academy boy I missed. I assume Spence isn't fully fit yet since he isn't included. I am surprised that Whitten is in at 12. I would rate L Marshall a lot higher.

Hagz · 10-08-2011 7:27pm

Halftime

Bayonne 19 - 3 Ulster

EDIT: 40-3 Final Score

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/9570.php

CIARAN_BOYLE · 10-08-2011 9:40pm

4 substitute props used

theboss80 · 19-08-2011 8:04pm

Ulster up 20-3 at half time

CIARAN_BOYLE · 19-08-2011 8:39pm

theboss80 wrote: »

Ulster up 20-3 at half time

Burns Gilroy and Diack tries

Burns is the hooker but I don't know anything else about him

theboss80 · 19-08-2011 8:41pm

Was 20-15 a few mins ago, time must be nearly up

theboss80 · 19-08-2011 8:55pm

Blane McIlroy try, Ulster leading 27-15 with 3 to go

theboss80 · 19-08-2011 9:01pm

34-15 at ft

CIARAN_BOYLE · 19-08-2011 9:12pm

theboss80 wrote: »

34-15 at ft

32-15 is what I'm reading Nelson with the final try

jacothelad · 24-08-2011 5:21pm

Team to play Quins
15 Adam D'Arcy
14 Conor Gaston
13 Darren Cave
12 Nevin Spence
11 Craig Gilroy
10 Ian Humphreys
9 Paul Marshall
1 Paddy McAlistair
2 Andy Kyriacu
3 Jerry Cronin
4 Lewis Stevenson
5 Neil McComb
6 Pedrie Wannenberg
7 Willie Faloon
8 Chris Henry (C)

Bench from.
Nigel Brady, Callum Black, Adam Macklin, Tim Barker, Dan Tuohy, Robbie Diack, Ian Porter, Paddy Jackson, Ian Whitten, Luke Marshall, Peter Nelson

CatFromHue · 24-08-2011 5:28pm

Interesting that Henry is at 8 and Wannenberg at 6 considering it was the opposite last season.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 24-08-2011 10:48pm

Just noticed Pienaar and Muller both made the SA squad.

Danielli is also in the Scotland squad. They add to Afoa in the NZ squad and Payne with an ITM cup campaign to finish off as well as Court, Best, Ferris, Wallace, and Trimble in the Ireland squad.

Ulser will be starting the season light in a few spots. That said I expect Spence or Marshall to claim the 12 shirt and leave Wallace coming home to a spot on the bench.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 27-08-2011 2:06am

Ulster beat a very strong Quins lineup today 22-5, tries from Gilroy, P Marshall, and Falloon.

I doubt Danielli will have a place in the starting Ulster team when he gets back from WC duty with Scotland. Gilroy will have taken the shirt.

CatFromHue · 27-08-2011 4:19am

From the U20 WC I noticed a few chinks in Gilroys defence. At Senior level this will be exposed badly!

jacothelad · 27-08-2011 10:15am

CatFromHue wrote: »

From the U20 WC I noticed a few chinks in Gilroys defence. At Senior level this will be exposed badly!

You should 'phone Brian Mclaughlin and give him a heads up. Maybe it's not too late to remedy his failings. I'm glad all those Magner's and Heineken teams last season didn't pick up on it or he would have been embarrassed and wouldn't have scored 8 tries in those 14 senior level games. Chris Ashton and Foden would have destroyed him if they'd known.:D

jacothelad · 27-08-2011 10:18am

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Ulster beat a very strong Quins lineup today 22-5, tries from Gilroy, P Marshall, and Falloon.

I doubt Danielli will have a place in the starting Ulster team when he gets back from WC duty with Scotland. Gilroy will have taken the shirt.

That was pretty much a full strength 'Quins side. I expected the Ulster kids to be demolished. Their defence was great. Particularly Gilroy's.

:D:D:D

CatFromHue · 27-08-2011 5:48pm

jacothelad wrote: »

You should 'phone Brian Mclaughlin and give him a heads up. Maybe it's not too late to remedy his failings. I'm glad all those Magner's and Heineken teams last season didn't pick up on it or he would have been embarrassed and wouldn't have scored 8 tries in those 14 senior level games. Chris Ashton and Foden would have destroyed him if they'd known.:D

He's only played 6 mins of Heineken Cup Rugby!

He has an impressive strike record for Ulster but he could have and should have done better for a few of the trys we conceded at the u20 WC.

27-08-2011 5:51pm

He was a kid then, he's grown hugely since. I think Gilroy is pretty much progressing exactly as anyone would hope he might.

RE:Ferris, great to see him get a full 80 today, doubt he thought he'd have to. Caught him trying to fix up some cramp in his leg with 5 mins left, but was delighted to see him back playing ball, and playing well.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 27-08-2011 5:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

He was a kid then, he's grown hugely since. I think Gilroy is pretty much progressing exactly as anyone would hope he might.

Since June??

27-08-2011 5:56pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Since June??

oops, probably shouldn't be posting on this much medication tbh!

Something in the back of my head had him playing last year only...

Digifriendly · 27-08-2011 6:47pm

jacothelad wrote: »

That was pretty much a full strength 'Quins side. I expected the Ulster kids to be demolished. Their defence was great. Particularly Gilroy's. :D:D:D

Am I right in saying just Care and Easter missing from full strength 'Quins side? BBC highlights on 'Final Score' showed Paul Marshall up well.

Hagz · 27-08-2011 8:24pm

27-08-2011 8:41pm

Superb footballing skills by Gilroy to score his try.

Quins try was fantastic

Marshall looked dangerous with the ball in open play alright, and Whitten's line and offload to Faloon were great.

Very encouraging highlights!

thomond2006 · 31-08-2011 9:20pm

Are the Ravenhill renovations finished yet? (or even started?)

CIARAN_BOYLE · 31-08-2011 11:20pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Are the Ravenhill renovations finished yet? (or even started?)

I don't think its been started yet. I think they are mid planning premission applications and that the work will happen next offseason

damianmcr · 01-09-2011 12:44am

Havent been started yet.

CatFromHue · 01-09-2011 9:30am

test4444 wrote: »

The Pro12 has the rule:

5.3. A maximum of two non-European players are permitted in a Team's match squad.

So, who of Ruan Pienaar, Jared Payne and John Afoa would you leave out?

Really?

Considering Leinster have Strauss, Nacewa, Sykes, and Berquist in their squad this could cause big problems.

Munster have Howlett, Botha, Du Preez, and Mafi too!

thomond2006 · 01-09-2011 10:13am

Two non European players means two non kolpak players, just like in the Heineken Cup.

Pienaar has a SA passport so he's fine while Payne and Afoa will likely take up the two kolpak spots.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 01-09-2011 10:19am

CatFromHue wrote: »

Really?

Considering Leinster have Strauss, Nacewa, Sykes, and Berquist in their squad this could cause big problems.

Munster have Howlett, Botha, Du Preez, and Mafi too!

Nacewa Strauss and Sykes qualify under the Kolpak stuff, so does Botha and DuPreez

CatFromHue · 01-09-2011 10:25am

So who does the Kolpak rule apply to? Is it just capped Nz and Oz players?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 01-09-2011 10:29am

CatFromHue wrote: »

So who does the Kolpak rule apply to? Is it just capped Nz and Oz players?

Non EU, non PIs (I think Mafi and Nacewa use those passports to pass under the Kolpak radar). Warwick got an Irish passport last season to enhance his employability with Munster even though he wasn't IQ since it meant he counted as EU for Kolpak. It didn't change anything about through the contract negotiation but he tried.

NZers Argentinians and Australians that don't have other passports tend to be the main offenders under the non EU non Kolpak rules.

GerM · 01-09-2011 1:33pm

Team for Glasgow.

Ulster (15-9):A D'Arcy; C Gilroy, D Cave, N Spence, I Whitten; I Humphreys, P Marshall; (1-8) P McAllister, A Kyriacou, J Cronin, L Stevenson, D Tuohy, P Wannenburg, W Faloon, C Henry (capt).

Replacements: N Brady, C Carey, A Macklin, N McComb, R Diack, I Porter, P Jackson, P Nelson.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 01-09-2011 1:37pm

GerM wrote: »

Team for Glasgow.

Ulster (15-9):A D'Arcy; C Gilroy, D Cave, N Spence, I Whitten; I Humphreys, P Marshall; (1-8) P McAllister, A Kyriacou, J Cronin, L Stevenson, D Tuohy, P Wannenburg, W Faloon, C Henry (capt).

Replacements: N Brady, C Carey, A Macklin, N McComb, R Diack, I Porter, P Jackson, P Nelson.

Thats a young set of props. Cronin is the old man at 27 while the other 3 are 22 or younger.

interesting to see Whitten on the wing. He is usually a center isnt he

thomond2006 · 01-09-2011 1:52pm

Very exciting and young backline!

sock puppet · 01-09-2011 2:41pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Thats a young set of props. Cronin is the old man at 27 while the other 3 are 22 or younger.

interesting to see Whitten on the wing. He is usually a center isnt he

Yeah I'd have thought him and Spence would be swapped around.

irishbucsfan · 01-09-2011 3:51pm

Fair play to Conor Carey

jacothelad · 01-09-2011 7:06pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Fair play to Conor Carey

I hope he and Macklin don't need to come on. Umless some form of scrummaging miracle has occurred over the last three months.

Once again McLaughlin selects players out of position. Spence is a better 12 than Whitten. Whitten is a decent player and a good squad member but Ulster have Allen. Gaston, Cochrane and Nelson who are better wingers than Whitten. Also he is repeating the same error as last year by playing Henry and Wannenburg the wrong way round. They are far more effective when Henry is at 6 and Pedrie at 8.

profitius · 02-09-2011 8:55pm

28 - 14 to Ulster. It was a decent game a bit scrappy at times because of the weather.

theboss80 · 02-09-2011 9:17pm

Ya was a very rusty looking game, Touhy was by far an away the nest man on the park but Henry got the motm after a great try in the closing minutes. Ulster could have ran in a few more trys but things look good for them going forward. Also Cave had a great game

Redsock · 02-09-2011 9:37pm

Big Dan was excellent. He carried well, hit rucks hard and made a mess of glasgow's lineout. However, overall a very rusty 80 minutes from us.

thomond2006 · 02-09-2011 9:53pm

Was flicking between the Leinster game, the soccer and this. Anytime I watched this Gilroy got the ball and ran with purpose.

Hagz · 02-09-2011 9:54pm

Redsock wrote: »

Big Dan was excellent. He carried well, hit rucks hard and made a mess of glasgow's lineout. However, overall a very rusty 80 minutes from us.

+1

Tuohy was an animal. I felt bad for him last season when he picked up the injury. He looked really powerful. If he can remain injury free, he has the potential to be a starter in the 6N.

02-09-2011 10:00pm

Hagz wrote: »

+1

Tuohy was an animal. I felt bad for him last season when he picked up the injury. He looked really powerful. If he can remain injury free, he has the potential to be a starter in the 6N.

Be warned, I was all aboard the Tuohy train after 5/6 weeks of ML last year, and then he let me down badly.

The way he started last season would've put him as first choice 2nd row for Ireland, and sounds like he's started this in a similar vain?

Hopefully he can plough on and not leave us believers with egg on our chins!

LostPassword · 03-09-2011 1:11pm

Tuohy was great alright - dominated the line out and was probably the most forceful ball carrier on the pitch. Hopefully he can carry through with that form as he went awol last season after a similar start - maybe he was never fully fit? A couple more performances like that and he'll be first in the queue if there's a 2nd row injury in New Zealand.

jacothelad · 03-09-2011 4:49pm

LostPassword wrote: »

Tuohy was great alright - dominated the line out and was probably the most forceful ball carrier on the pitch. Hopefully he can carry through with that form as he went awol last season after a similar start - maybe he was never fully fit? A couple more performances like that and he'll be first in the queue if there's a 2nd row injury in New Zealand.

That was Tuohy's first league start since January.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 03-09-2011 4:59pm

jacothelad wrote: »

That was Tuohy's first league start since January.

Really??

Dan Tuohy's profile on Ulsterrugby.ie wrote:

25/03/2011 Glasgow Warriors 66
01/04/2011 Scarlets 80
10/04/2011 Northampton Saints 58
16/04/2011 Leinster 80
22/04/2011Connacht Rugby 80
06/05/2011 Newport Gwent Dragons 70

I could have sworn some of those games were in the league. But yeah I understand your point that he had an injury wrecked second half of the season.

jacothelad · 03-09-2011 5:14pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Really??

I could have sworn some of those games were in the league.

Just reporting what was reported.

From the Irish Independent.

"The boot of Ian Humphreys did the rest of the damage as he contributed 13 points in an assured performance. Dan Tuohy, making his first start since last January, had an outstanding game both in the line-out and in open play. Interestingly, Brian McLaughlin only used one replacement the whole game, with Nigel Brady replacing hooker Andi Kyriacou."

Just goes to show not to trust the Indo.

I didn't say he didn't play, I said he didn't start as he was returning from injury and got injured again a few times. In total last season he started 10 league games. Northampton Saints don't play in our league. He started 15 games in all out of 29 in all comps.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 03-09-2011 6:10pm

What do people think Spence's position is?

I don't think he has the passing ability for 12 and would prefer to see him at 13. That said I think he could do a good job on the wing if Cave is prefered at 13.

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