New DIT Campus - Grangegorman

ardmacha · 04-11-2014 5:23pm

You'd think she would put a helmet on the child.

nowecant · 04-11-2014 5:28pm

In case anyone does not know the GGDA Facebook page regularly updates with images of the development. This is the latest arial photo.

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More at https://www.facebook.com/pages/Grangegorman-Development-Agency/382314786412?fref=ts

monument · 04-11-2014 5:50pm

ardmacha wrote: »

You'd think she would put a helmet on the child.

Is that a joke?

ardmacha · 04-11-2014 6:58pm

Is that a joke?

No.

monument · 04-11-2014 7:45pm

ardmacha wrote: »

No.

Ha... Right, so...

Aard · 05-11-2014 12:38am

Cycling helmet use is entirely irrelevant to a thread on DIT Grangegorman. There are many other threads on which such a matter can be discussed.

- Moderator.

nowecant · 05-11-2014 4:07pm

There is still no update on what they plan to do with the so called Broadstone Gate and the issue with the Maxol garage on Constitution Hill.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0404/606784-maxol-considers-legal-action-over-dublin-site/

This is due to start in early 2015 http://ggda.ie/broadstone-gate

TheBandicoot · 05-11-2014 4:41pm

Luas BXD construction begins next year as well, the plans for that indicate "Remove existing service station" in order to accommodate the Broadstone stop, so either the Luas route is going to need to be realigned or an agreement reached with Maxol.

hfallada · 05-11-2014 6:05pm

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Luas BXD construction begins next year as well, the plans for that indicate "Remove existing service station" in order to accommodate the Broadstone stop, so either the Luas route is going to need to be realigned or an agreement reached with Maxol.

It will be a compulsory purchase order. They arent going to risk the failure of a 400 million expansion on a petrol station. It will be brought and demolished for the luas.But I hope they put another petrol station elsewhere in town. As its one of the few petrol stations left in the city. Other than Gem on the southbound quays which is constantly in the media for the wrong reasons

In Germany I have seen petrol stations on the lower floor of multi-storey car parks. So they arent taking up prime retail space

nowecant · 05-11-2014 6:08pm

hfallada wrote: »

It will be a compulsory purchase order. They arent going to risk the failure of a 400 million expansion on a petrol station. It will be brought and demolished for the luas.But I hope they put another petrol station elsewhere in town. As its one of the few petrol stations left in the city. Other than Gem on the southbound quays which is constantly in the media for the wrong reasons

How long does that take? Can Maxol object?

My guess is that the station was meant to be gone as part of the Broadstone Gate development so by the time Luas work was meant to commence in the area it was already gone. Luas probably had very little to do with it originally.

L1011 · 05-11-2014 9:23pm

They'll need to spend a lot more than the original plan would have cost but they can definitely still CPO it.

monument · 05-11-2014 9:49pm

If a suitable site for relocation can't be found, is it the case that the CPO compensation will have to include compensation for potential future earnings?

L1011 · 06-11-2014 12:30am

monument wrote: »

If a suitable site for relocation can't be found, is it the case that the CPO compensation will have to include compensation for potential future earnings?

CPOs are meant to work on comparable purchase price if at all possible.

However, there isn't as crap a petrol station inside the canals to compare to - the few others there are are much better equipped than it; and haven't been sold recently so no market value is available.

I'm not sure what the fallback method is now for a business premises; in the old days it was based on profits but that can be very very misleading for a low margin high staff business; fuel retailing being one.

Pete_Cavan · 06-11-2014 4:45pm

The campus is really starting to take shape. This time next year it should be well on its way to becoming a modern higher education campus with the infrastructure works complete, grass established on the pitches, the Greenway Hub all but complete and the Central & Eastern Quads out of the ground. As for the Broadstone entrance, who knows?

trellheim · 07-11-2014 2:08pm

I looked at the revised Part 8 and permission was granted for the revised development with the maxol lands excluded by the look of it. loony tunes but there you go. It is noteworthy that no real mention of this is on the Facebook pages or anything. However the aerlal shots are nice.

What about the western entrance St Josephs place and Fingal St are ridiculously tiny to get through to the main nearby commercial area. Shea's Court sounds a much smarter option.

PS : Anyone know why they are digging up perfectly reasonable playing fields and replacing them with playing fields

TheBandicoot · 07-11-2014 2:10pm

Can you link to this part 8?

monument · 07-11-2014 3:24pm

trellheim wrote: »

What about the western entrance St Josephs place and Fingal St are ridiculously tiny to get through to the main nearby commercial area. Shea's Court sounds a much smarter option.

Shea's is private and gated. The others are public streets.

The ideal solution is the redeveloped of the mostly non-residential space between the street and the campus and as much permeability added as possible.

Part re-development of the shopping centre should be done to allow for direct access.

trellheim wrote: »

PS : Anyone know why they are digging up perfectly reasonable playing fields and replacing them with playing fields

Because they are aiming to make the best use out of the space which was there before hand -- on one part of that end of the site hazardous waste of some type was left for years securely corrnered off, old club houses etc were knocked down, parking places removed beside the pitches, rear access rearranged for residents etc.

monument · 08-11-2014 12:32am

From the NTA:

City’s newest campus accessible by bus, bike, train and Luas

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/bus-forms/transport-minister-welcomes-sustainable-transport-focus-at-grangegorman/

NotCominBack · 08-11-2014 12:36am

Will DIT now get University status? And if so, does that mean my degree will then be a University degree?

loyatemu · 08-11-2014 1:15am

NotCominBack wrote:

Will DIT now get University status? And if so, does that mean my degree will then be a University degree?

DIT, IT Tallaght & IT Blanch are merging into a "technological university", probably won't have any effect on previously awarded degrees though.

trellheim · 10-11-2014 2:26pm

Shea's is private and gated. The others are public streets.

I drove up Shea's the other day. some is indeed private, there is a gated estate off to the side, but the road does not seem to be. Looks ideal for the purpose.

Ref the Part 8

go to http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-planning/find-planning-application

and search for 3727/13 as the application reference.

Gumbo · 12-11-2014 8:55pm

Just incase anybody is interested, they are currently pouring the floor slab of the fourth floor in the the new Research Hub in Grangegorman. Here's the view from the deck. Excuse the quality of the pics, but only had my crapy work samsung phone.

View from the 4th floor of the Research Lab, Grangegorman, Dublin 7. by kceire, on Flickr

BonkeyDonker · 12-11-2014 10:58pm

Great images kceire - almost makes me wish I had a few more years to go. That view has a very american campus feel to it with the grass and trees.

monument · 13-11-2014 9:20am

trellheim wrote: »

I drove up Shea's the other day. some is indeed private, there is a gated estate off to the side, but the road does not seem to be. Looks ideal for the purpose.

Once you go in a bit there's gates in all directions between the main road and the campus.

But even if it was possible, extra permeability north of it (ie along Prussia St) would be best practice.

trellheim wrote: »

Ref the Part 8

go to http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-planning/find-planning-application

and search for 3727/13 as the application reference.

Was not aware there was motorised access allowed to the campus from Broadstone... or is this supposed to be just for construction access?

nowecant · 27-11-2014 11:59am

monument wrote: »

Was not aware there was motorised access allowed to the campus from Broadstone... or is this supposed to be just for construction access?

If I remember right this is for construction and limited staff car parking when the college opens.

Its a while since i looked at the detailed proposals but i remember a focus on public transport solutions where possible. some of the buildings will have sub level carparks, i don't remember any above ground, so that will seriously improve the aesthetics of the place and help promote that its a car free enviroment.

If i remember right cars that are allowed on campus are not simply able to drive around, but rather direct access to and from each car park only. They are not building streets but rather pedestrian avenues where cares are tollerated

nowecant · 27-11-2014 12:04pm

Ive posted this video before but I think its work posting again. This is what the broadstoen gate is meant to look like if they can move the Maxol garage. I still have not heard a thing about that yet.

trellheim · 28-11-2014 2:44pm

? have a look at the planning app I posted ... shows them building around it ?

trellheim · 24-12-2014 12:46am

December newsletter is out

matc66 · 31-12-2014 11:44am

I noticed yesterday evening that there is metal hoarding around the Broadstone petrol station, something about it moving/closing. I was in a taxi so didn't get a good look. Anyone know anything more about this?

BonkeyDonker · 31-12-2014 3:27pm

matc66 wrote: »

I noticed yesterday evening that there is metal hoarding around the Broadstone petrol station, something about it moving/closing. I was in a taxi so didn't get a good look. Anyone know anything more about this?

Noticed this as well - says closing 31st/12/2014.

bg07 · 31-12-2014 6:01pm

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

Noticed this as well - says closing 31st/12/2014.

https://www.maxol.ie/m-blog/entry/closure-of-broadstone-maxol-service-station-at-constitution-hill

Aard · 31-12-2014 6:06pm

Great that the projects (Grangegorman and Luas BXD) can go ahead as planned, without a sellotape solution being necessary!

Zipppy · 02-01-2015 6:25pm

Gonna miss that petrol station though....

Gumbo · 03-01-2015 12:35am

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

Noticed this as well - says closing 31st/12/2014.

Yeah, 100% closed. Workers in there today removing pumps etc

nowecant · 27-01-2015 2:58pm

The garage is pretty much gone now.

Also on the latest aerial photographs if you look at the Broadstone Gate you can see all the work that is being done that is not visible from the road

https://www.facebook.com/382314786412/photos/pcb.10152917312161413/10152917310721413/?type=1&theater

trellheim · 28-01-2015 2:36pm

Interesting. Wonder what grease was applied to get the garage to move !

D Trent · 17-02-2015 4:16pm

From the GDA Facebook page

petronius · 23-03-2015 7:30pm

I agree it is good news that the old maxol station is closed to facilitate the development of Grangegorman DIT would have been a shame if it caused the plans to change, but it was a good low price petrol station close to the centre of town

nowecant · 23-03-2015 7:47pm

There has been no big announcement from the GGDA for a while now. I thought the contracts for the central and eastern Quads were to announced early this year so that students could be in them in September 2015.

They are cutting time very close now.

Ben D Bus · 23-03-2015 8:48pm

Is it possible yet to walk through the campus from Grangegorman to the NCR?

monument · 23-03-2015 9:11pm

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Is it possible yet to walk through the campus from Grangegorman to the NCR?

Yes.

Pete_Cavan · 23-03-2015 11:38pm

nowecant wrote: »

There has been no big announcement from the GGDA for a while now. I thought the contracts for the central and eastern Quads were to announced early this year so that students could be in them in September 2015.

They are cutting time very close now.

The central and eastern quads were never to be ready for students in september 2015. The procurement process is not yet complete but the McQuarie team are the preferred bidder for the PPP which has Sisk and FCC as construction partners. BAM will be disappointed if they miss out on this, they seem to be clearing up with large projects recently. Expect to wait another couple of months before a contract award.

There was a topping out ceremony at the Greenway Hub, the structure is complete so BAM are well on their way there.http://www.bamcontractors.ie/news.htm/view/id/256

There are also a couple of recent notices on the GGDA website which shows that other projects are also progressing;
http://ggda.ie/category/latest-news[

petronius · 24-03-2015 2:49pm

I think with the broadstone garage removed the entrance from constitution hill can be impressive showing the old broadstone station the architecturally splendid building it is. I also think the balance with the Kings Inns on one side and the wide entrance to DIT Grangegorman will be a heck of a lot better the the bus station and gas station view which was there.

Due to proximity maybe the DIT Law dept should be merged with the Kings Inns?

FreudianSlippers · 24-03-2015 2:52pm

petronius wrote: »

I think with the broadstone garage removed the entrance from constitution hill can be impressive showing the old broadstone station the architecturally splendid building it is. I also think the balance with the Kings Inns on one side and the wide entrance to DIT Grangegorman will be a heck of a lot better the the bus station and gas station view which was there.

Due to proximity maybe the DIT Law dept should be merged with the Kings Inns?

KI doesn't have enough room as is for the Barrister-at-Law Degree programme and their Diploma programme.

nowecant · 24-03-2015 3:32pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The central and eastern quads were never to be ready for students in september 2015. The procurement process is not yet complete but the McQuarie team are the preferred bidder for the PPP which has Sisk and FCC as construction partners. BAM will be disappointed if they miss out on this, they seem to be clearing up with large projects recently. Expect to wait another couple of months before a contract award.

There was a topping out ceremony at the Greenway Hub, the structure is complete so BAM are well on their way there.http://www.bamcontractors.ie/news.htm/view/id/256

There are also a couple of recent notices on the GGDA website which shows that other projects are also progressing;
http://ggda.ie/category/latest-news[

Sorry my mistake, I meant to write September 2017 (http://www.dit.ie/grangegorman/informationforstudents/movingin2017/)

If the contract was announced tomorrow that would only give them 18 months for build and fit out. I really doubt that that is enough time to be honest

nowecant · 25-03-2015 12:34pm

I would expect major progress on the Broadstone gate shortly as the Luas line has to go through here shortly.

This section is probably the furthest behind of all the sections of the Luas Cross City so I believe there will be a big push soon.

Luas Construction timeline at https://www.luascrosscity.ie/whats-the-plan/timeline/

FreudianSlippers · 25-03-2015 2:04pm

I'd say Western Way / Mountjoy Street / Dominick Street are huge development potential sites. Was looking at a Georgian house there a few years back and it was cheap as chips. :mad:

Aard · 26-03-2015 7:43pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'd say Western Way / Mountjoy Street / Dominick Street are huge development potential sites. Was looking at a Georgian house there a few years back and it was cheap as chips. :mad:

Some of the houses on nearby North Circular were going for a song when the bedsit ban came in.

matc66 · 26-03-2015 8:19pm

Aard wrote: »

Some of the houses on nearby North Circular were going for a song when the bedsit ban came in.

I didn't realise there is a bedsit ban. Do you have any details on this? I live off the NCR and would dearly love for the area to improve as much as possible.

Aard · 26-03-2015 8:32pm

matc66 wrote: »

I didn't realise there is a bedsit ban. Do you have any details on this? I live off the NCR and would dearly love for the area to improve as much as possible.

A quick news search should give all the info. Many houses on NCR and SCR (as well as Rathmines and the likes) were affected, and many landlords simply chose to sell up rather than invest in upgrading the properties. With Grangegorman, there will be a push for quality housing for staff and students in the area. I can only see Dublin 7 benefitting because of this.

New DIT Campus - Grangegorman

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