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Old diesel · 20-11-2014 12:32pm

The guys that don't get their cards at Qualifying School - where will they play next year - challenge tour????

HighLine · 20-11-2014 12:36pm

A mild ripple of applause for that terrific shot of Stenson's right there.... how I wish these middle east, China etc. venues would get a lot less big events.

cairny · 20-11-2014 12:40pm

Old diesel wrote: »

The guys that don't get their cards at Qualifying School - where will they play next year - challenge tour????

The ones who had cards this year will have some playing rights on Tour next year, I think David Higgins for example got to play about a dozen events this year. Some will go to Challenge Tour, some could try to play on Asian Tour or South Africia, usually the younger ones. Some will be giving lessons at the local club....and quietly dying inside.

Speak Now · 20-11-2014 12:43pm

Old diesel wrote: »

The guys that don't get their cards at Qualifying School - where will they play next year - challenge tour????

More than likely yes but they will still be categorized.

Those that get their cards today will be in Category 15.

Maybin is already in Category 16 next season for his race to Dubai position.

Phelan will be in Category 17.

Thornton finished 1 place outside Category 17 so is only assure of Category 20 if he doesn't squeeze in today. Same applies to Lawrie. You wont get many events from Category 20.

LuckyGent88 · 20-11-2014 1:01pm

Thornton and Lawrie right on the bubble at t28. Need a good finish over last 6 holes.

PARlance · 20-11-2014 1:08pm

Lawrie pars the 13th... He had a triple there in Rd 4 so a sigh of relief.

cairny · 20-11-2014 1:09pm

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Thornton and Lawrie right on the bubble at t28. Need a good finish over last 6 holes.

Thornton has dropped a shot I'm afraid. Lawrie has five holes left to save his career....unreal pressure.

Old diesel · 20-11-2014 1:13pm

cairny wrote: »

Thornton has dropped a shot I'm afraid. Lawrie has five holes left to save his career....unreal pressure.

So you think there is no way back for him if he doesn't make it today????

cairny · 20-11-2014 1:17pm

Old diesel wrote: »

So you think there is no way back for him if he doesn't make it today????

I suppose I was being a bit dramatic. He'll get to play again next year in a limited number of events. It would be very tough to get back off those alone though.

Edit: Jerry says he will be Cat 20, pretty much no chance at that level I'm afraid.

Speak Now · 20-11-2014 2:08pm

Peter needs to birdie the last 2, 1 might sneak it. The rest missed out im afraid.

Diego Tristan · 20-11-2014 2:24pm

Looks like qualifying mark will be -8 or -7.

Lawrie -6 with 1 to play. Birdie on 18 is a must!

Speak Now · 20-11-2014 2:31pm

Diego Tristan wrote: »

Looks like qualifying mark will be -8 or -7.

Lawrie -6 with 1 to play. Birdie on 18 is a must!

Yeah -7 is tied 26th so with the pressure on guys bring it home it might squeeze in. As you say he needs to birdie the last at least, only 4 so far today though

Speak Now · 20-11-2014 2:37pm

Par on the last...gutted for the lot of them.

cairny · 20-11-2014 2:42pm

T29- I supose four meltdowns is too much to hope for?

PARlance · 20-11-2014 2:45pm

cairny wrote: »

T29- I supose four meltdowns is too much to hope for?

I don't think it's unrealistic that he could scrape through, there is a chance.
The guys below him have finished, so no worries about people leap frogging him.
All it will take is 3 or 4 guys to let the pressure get to them and he might squeeze in.

It's not probable, but there is a little hope.

PARlance · 20-11-2014 2:53pm

T28 now... 3 more to fall from above and he gets in

cairny · 20-11-2014 2:53pm

This is torture

PARlance · 20-11-2014 2:58pm

cairny wrote: »

This is torture

Everyone on -6 is finished, so he can't drop from there.
The guys at -5 would need to get to -7 to make any difference. That's not gonna happen as most are almost finished. Any of them that are still playing need to go -2 thru the final 2.

However, there are only 5 players above him that could drop to -6. He needs 3 of them to do so.

cairny · 20-11-2014 3:19pm

PARlance wrote: »

Everyone on -6 is finished, so he can't drop from there.
The guys at -5 would need to get to -7 to make any difference. That's not gonna happen as most are almost finished. Any of them that are still playing need to go -2 thru the final 2.

However, there are only 5 players above him that could drop to -6. He needs 3 of them to do so.

Realistically it looks like 4 guys, on the plus side none of them are making pars, it's all bogies and birdies.

cairny · 20-11-2014 3:34pm

T27 now....

pistol_75 · 20-11-2014 3:35pm

A lot can happen in the last few holes at Q school. Here's hoping...

Speak Now · 20-11-2014 3:39pm

pistol_75 wrote: »

A lot can happen in the last few holes at Q school. Here's hoping...

3 guys on -8 with 2 holes to play, imagine the pressure they feel.

pistol_75 · 20-11-2014 3:40pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

3 guys on -8 with 2 holes to play, imagine the pressure they feel.

And all +2 for the day. Nearly worse knowing you can afford to drop a shot and still do it.

cairny · 20-11-2014 3:44pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

3 guys on -8 with 2 holes to play, imagine the pressure they feel.

Mad scores, Gros birdies 15 to go -9, cruising to Card then bogeys last 3 to get to -6. Bouniol from same score goes double, bogey to be -6 playing the last.

Edit: Bouniol birdies the last to make his card, probably killed off Lawries last chance but still fair play.

pistol_75 · 20-11-2014 3:46pm

Alessandro Tadini finished on -7 on the bubble. His last 4 holes, eagle, birdie, birdie, par.

That man deserves his card.

Speak Now · 20-11-2014 3:52pm

cairny wrote: »

Mad scores, Gros birdies 15 to go -9, cruising to Card then bogeys last 3 to get to -6. Bouniol from same score goes double, bogey to be -6 playing the last.

Edit: Bouniol birdies the last to make his card, probably killed off Lawries last chance but still fair play.

Well deserved by Bounio, he had been -10 at the turn!!

Tough day for Carlos Del Moral, started at -9 but 3 early doubles has him -4 playing the last.

Speak Now · 20-11-2014 3:54pm

pistol_75 wrote: »

Alessandro Tadini finished on -7 on the bubble. His last 4 holes, eagle, birdie, birdie, par.

That man deserves his card.

He actually started on the back 9 pistol, nice going though as he had started in tied 44th.

vienne86 · 20-11-2014 6:37pm

So none of the three got their cards ....gutted for Lawrie in particular.

Keano · 20-11-2014 7:56pm

This is a crazy stat.

Out of the 29 European Tour winners that began the Final Stage, only three gained a card, Ricardo Gonzalez (second), John Parry (sixth) and Andrew Dodt (tenth). (In all 35 European Tour winners teed up in the 2014 European Tour Qualifying School. Six entered at Stage 2 but failed to make it through).

Diego Tristan · 20-11-2014 9:52pm

Some good news for Maybin.

Guys who would have been ahead of him in order of Category 16 rankings for next year actually won their cards today (De La Riva, Otaegui, Pavan) so I make it that Maybin will be 9th on the list of Category 16 players for next year.

For the 2014 season David Higgins was 5th on the same Category 16 list and got to play 19 tournaments.

Only thing is the cut off point for entry to a lot of those tournaments would have ended up just above where Maybin will be ranked!

Higgins was often waiting until the last minute and depending on withdrawals to get in, meaning it was nearly impossible to plan a schedule.

Also getting in to a tournament at short notice would mean getting to the venue later than your competitors, so less preparation time and practise rounds etc.

Bit of a nightmare booking flights as well i'd imagine!

Kevin Phelan will be about 3rd on the list of Category 17 players. Going by players similary ranked this year, that could get him about 10 to 13 tournaments. Only thing is these will tend to be the tournaments with lower prizemoney that the top guys won't be putting in their schedule.

Peter Lawrie and Simon Thornton will be well up on the Category 20 list. Again going by 2014 players with this sort of ranking, this would only get them about 3 to 6 tournaments, but these will almost all be on the South African swing before Christmas and in the spring time. Again these are low money tournaments that most of the top guys won't be entering. Lawrie would also get in to the Spanish Open as a former winner.

Apart from that they'll be relying on their agents or management companies to see if they can swing the odd sponsor's invite here and there.

Can be decent money in some of the Challenge Tour events as well, especially towards the end of the season.

vienne86 · 20-11-2014 10:59pm

Diego Tristan wrote: »

Some good news for Maybin.

Guys who would have been ahead of him in order of Category 16 rankings for next year actually won their cards today (De La Riva, Otaegui, Pavan) so I make it that Maybin will be 9th on the list of Category 16 players for next year.

For the 2014 season David Higgins was 5th on the same Category 16 list and got to play 19 tournaments.

Only thing is the cut off point for entry to a lot of those tournaments would have ended up just above where Maybin will be ranked!

Higgins was often waiting until the last minute and depending on withdrawals to get in, meaning it was nearly impossible to plan a schedule.

Also getting in to a tournament at short notice would mean getting to the venue later than your competitors, so less preparation time and practise rounds etc.

Bit of a nightmare booking flights as well i'd imagine!

Kevin Phelan will be about 3rd on the list of Category 17 players. Going by players similary ranked this year, that could get him about 10 to 13 tournaments. Only thing is these will tend to be the tournaments with lower prizemoney that the top guys won't be putting in their schedule.

Peter Lawrie and Simon Thornton will be well up on the Category 20 list. Again going by 2014 players with this sort of ranking, this would only get them about 3 to 6 tournaments, but these will almost all be on the South African swing before Christmas and in the spring time. Again these are low money tournaments that most of the top guys won't be entering. Lawrie would also get in to the Spanish Open as a former winner.

Apart from that they'll be relying on their agents or management companies to see if they can swing the odd sponsor's invite here and there.

Can be decent money in some of the Challenge Tour events as well, especially towards the end of the season.

God it's very tough. I wonder will be wee Thornton or Lawrie out on tour again.

Diego Tristan · 21-11-2014 12:16am

Don't imagine they'd fancy a safari tour around South Africa for the winter!

Still there's always that incentive that if they get in to one of those lower standard tournaments, strike a good week and get a win like Thornton already did in St Omer in 2013...

Suddenly there's a tour exemption for the rest of the season and all of next season.

Bit of a long shot though!

vienne86 · 21-11-2014 10:05am

Diego Tristan wrote: »

Don't imagine they'd fancy a safari tour around South Africa for the winter!

Still there's always that incentive that if they get in to one of those lower standard tournaments, strike a good week and get a win like Thornton already did in St Omer in 2013...

Suddenly there's a tour exemption for the rest of the season and all of next season.

Bit of a long shot though!

Very difficult to pull off if your confidnece is down too.

slave1 · 21-11-2014 10:17am

vienne86 · 21-11-2014 10:22am

slave1 wrote: »

Just one shot better would have got Peter Lawrie in. Sums up a miserable season.

FixdePitchmark · 21-11-2014 10:30am

Keano A Legend wrote: »

This is a crazy stat.

Out of the 29 European Tour winners that began the Final Stage, only three gained a card, Ricardo Gonzalez (second), John Parry (sixth) and Andrew Dodt (tenth). (In all 35 European Tour winners teed up in the 2014 European Tour Qualifying School. Six entered at Stage 2 but failed to make it through).

This is what I feared for the lads - it is just getting harder and harder to win back card.

I've watched a few programs on tv and there are 100s of what were Kevin Phelans - coming on the scene all the time.

Many of the lads coming off main tour going back to Tour School - are sort of out of form - missing cuts. They turn up to thee events to lads - who are in form and have been targeting this all year.

There is way more pressure on a lad winning back a card than - a kid/other pro trying to win one.

vienne86 · 21-11-2014 10:55am

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

This is what I feared for the lads - it is just getting harder and harder to win back card.

I've watched a few programs on tv and there are 100s of what were Kevin Phelans - coming on the scene all the time.

Many of the lads coming off main tour going back to Tour School - are sort of out of form - missing cuts. They turn up to thee events to lads - who are in form and have been targeting this all year.

There is way more pressure on a lad winning back a card than - a kid/other pro trying to win one.

So true. That said, there seem to me to be a fair few who get a card from Q school, and only last one season.

Back to today. Rory and Shane not doing themselves or each other any favours today. Maybe I should stop watching.

FixdePitchmark · 21-11-2014 11:15am

Jaysus - I did what rory did today - yesterday.

One time - I can say , I've done what Rory did.

vienne86 · 21-11-2014 11:28am

That Tyrell Hatton is a nice player - I've never heard of him until last week. Rookie, it sems. But I'm stunned that Sky have not yet remarked that he doesn't wear any headgear.

charlieIRL · 21-11-2014 12:13pm

vienne86 wrote: »

That Tyrell Hatton is a nice player - I've never heard of him until last week. Rookie, it sems. But I'm stunned that Sky have not yet remarked that he doesn't wear any headgear.

I've seem him a few times on the europro tour or challenge tour, am not sure which one, sky show a lot as well as the main tours! He has been getting stronger with each event and seems like a really nice guy.

vienne86 · 21-11-2014 12:42pm

There seems to be a lot of noise from the crowd at this tournament. Very irritating for the players, but actually irritating to watch as well.

vienne86 · 21-11-2014 1:21pm

I like Danny Willett. Some achievement to ge a birdie on the last having been in the water!

LuckyGent88 · 21-11-2014 1:30pm

vienne86 wrote: »

I like Danny Willett. Some achievement to ge a birdie on the last having been in the water!

From the same walker cup team as Rory was on. Fantastic talent as well. Surprised he hasn't fully made an impact on tour yet but still young.

Shocking 3 putt from Rory.

vienne86 · 21-11-2014 1:41pm

Why the hell did Rory use the drive on 18......in the water! Lowry not exactly stellar off the tee either on that one!

rodge68 · 21-11-2014 1:43pm

Double f##k..strange choice indeed.

vienne86 · 21-11-2014 2:18pm

Well that was a very enjoyable morning of golf on TV, and in Dublin it has been pissing rain, so just what we needed. The leaderboard is very packed, as you would expect with the top players in the field. There's a big number of players who could win, but my money would be on either Rory or Stenson, with maybe Rose in the mix too.

Rikand · 22-11-2014 5:24am

Michael hoey off to a fast start - -2 after 3

LuckyGent88 · 22-11-2014 9:51am

Tyrell Hatton off to a flyer. 4 under thru 4 holes and now joint leader.

Looks like birdies are the order of the day.

vienne86 · 22-11-2014 10:22am

Birdie fest out there, and getting bunched on the top at -10.

LuckyGent88 · 22-11-2014 10:55am

Oleson on fire at the moment. 5 under thru 8 after four birdies in a row.
Really like him as a player and a big future ahead of him. No doubt a Ryder cup player in future.

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