At what age did you become a Right Wing Nutter ?

GombeanMan · 06-03-2012 12:05pm

hooradiation wrote: »

I haven't and I have no intention of ever doing so.

inb4 someone regurgitates that Churchill quote and thinks they're clever for doing so.

Ayn Rand is better.

Crooked Jack · 06-03-2012 12:05pm

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

The Shinners??!?

zzzzzzzzzzz............

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-03-2012 12:06pm

Moving to Berlin probbaly didn't do anything for and right-wing tendencies. If I ever decide to hate my fellow man with a passion, I'll let you know.

hooradiation · 06-03-2012 12:07pm

GombeanMan wrote: »

Ayn Rand is better.

I agree that Rands work is not to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force.

mike65 · 06-03-2012 12:10pm

I was never a socialist or a right wingnut but remain a liberal based in the traditional late 19th century sense of that word - enough government to offer functional support but not so much as to crush/impede. The free market over the state controlled/owned and so on. Do as you please behind your own doors while harming no one.

Randy Anders · 06-03-2012 12:15pm

Take each issue on it's merits. Don't like to box myself off as lefty or righty

BraziliaNZ · 06-03-2012 12:25pm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Moving to Berlin probbaly didn't do anything for and right-wing tendencies. If I ever decide to hate my fellow man with a passion, I'll let you know.

You missed that party by 70 years

bnt · 06-03-2012 12:26pm

In my early 40s, hasn't happened yet. I do have some opinions that "normal" people would find harsh, but they're not easily classified as "left" or "right" e.g. I think all religions are delusions, and that this planet needs to have fewer, better people on it. I have no idea how those sit on the conventional political axes.

Besides, I know the difference between (a) having an opinion about something, (b) believing I have all the answers, and (c) thinking the world needs to do as I say.

44leto · 06-03-2012 12:31pm

I relate to the OP, it was great been a leftist liberal when I had nothing, then it was all about taking stuff of people who had already worked hard for it. All they had to do was give me some of it for free and if I took it, I was the product of a broken society, so I would be forgiven.

But then I copped the fuk on and gathered some worldly goods and dropped the free ride attitude. Now I am a fascist in the strictest national socialist sense and I wish the PDs were still about.

cloptrop · 06-03-2012 12:35pm

kincsem wrote: »

At 19 when I started working, and had to pay for things.

Yes I think the left to right wing shift directly corellates to whether or not you are currently in employment.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-03-2012 12:36pm

44leto wrote: »

I relate to the OP, it was great been a leftist liberal when I had nothing, then it was all about taking stuff of people who had already worked hard for it. All they had to do was give me some of it for free and if I took it, I was the product of a broken society, so I would be forgiven.

I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "liberal"!!:D

Born to Die · 06-03-2012 12:39pm

I have found that as I get older my tolerance for everything is pretty much the same as it always has been.

My views are simple, I hate everything to begin with, though that changes in time, like this morning I have had porridge, hated it before, love it now.
Is porridge a food for people that are developing right wing nutter tendencies?
If so then I am there.

KeithAFC · 06-03-2012 12:39pm

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I had a good run as a young hippy liberal.
Save the whales, no US troops through Shannon, feed the world, reliable healthcare for all, no to Sellafield & all that.
Since I've been married, bought a house & had kids I've become much more conservative.
Liberal issues now do nothing for me, I see welfare state spongers as the lowest rung of society, if you can't afford that expensive operation will you just hurry up & die quickly, I don't care where my energy comes from as long as it's cheap, blow up half the middle-east if it keeps petrol below €2 a litre, I can't wait to shot a burglar.
It's getting worse the older I get & I'm only 39, what am I going to be like when I'm 70.
There's a chance I could vote FF again in my lifetime.

At what age did you flip to the darkside ?.

You mean left wing? The political wing which has ruined the traditional values in society, the liberal goody thinking which has destroyed cultural identity in many cities across the world. You have just seen the light.

cyrusdvirus · 06-03-2012 12:42pm

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I am gettin so ****ing bored of this. I've only been on boards properly a few weeks at this stage but it seems to be a rule that no matter what the thread is it must inevitably descend into Shinner bashing.
What is it you're so afraid of?

[Serious answer]

I suppose it depends on what other forums you visit while here, and how often they get derailed. I spend a bit of time over on the military forum, probably cos i never got tired of reading those commando comics when i was a kid.

The habit over there is that you can't post ANYTHING even remotely complimentary to the UK or the Crown forces without someone coming along and dragging the thread into the 800YOOP mess, and extolling the 'virtues' of a bunch of thugs running around the place calling themselves Óglaigh na hÉireann, thus insulting any man or woman who wore and wears the uniform of the PDF and RDF with pride.

There's also the very real fact that in most cases my own personal beliefs are at pretty much the opposite end of the scale to SF.

I'd have a certain degree of respect for Martin McGuinness, as he has quite openly admitted that he was a member of the IRA.

I can't abide Gerry Adams, as even though the dogs on the street know he was part of the IRA, Adams will still refuse to admit it

[/Serious Answer]

Foghladh · 06-03-2012 12:43pm

I think I was always a little conservative but then I shared a house with 3 unrepentant hippys and I tipped over the edge.

I always felt it was my civic duty to basically disagree with everything they said and I gradually morphed into the role I was playing.

It was tremendous fun.

Crooked Jack · 06-03-2012 12:45pm

cloptrop wrote: »

Yes I think the left to right wing shift directly corellates to whether or not you are currently in employment.

Only once in my life have i ever been unemployed and that only lasted a few weeks.
My employment status has never changed my view of what is right and wrong.
The distribution of wealth in this country is grossly unfair and wrong. I have felt that way whether I've had money in my pocket or not.

Logical Fallacy · 06-03-2012 12:50pm

I've said it before and i'll say it again, anyone who instantly identifies themselves as either left or right wing without giving due consideration to the issue at hand is a total spastic.

hooradiation wrote: »

I agree that Rands work is not to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force.

I completely disagree with that. Rand is the perfect cautionary tale for blind belief in a system (Objectivism) which would later be thrown away in later life. In her later years Rand was being supported by the government she had earlier wished to see dissolved via a system she wished to see abolished (welfare).

rosser44 · 06-03-2012 12:51pm

I think its less about left wing vs right wing and more about being an idealist when you are young and have no experience of how the world works, and as life teaches the true nature of human beings you become more of a realist.
I would be a big believer in personal freedom but at the same time think that allowing people with 50+ criminal convictions to be granted suspended sentences for crimes against working members of society ( theft of property, assault etc) to be a complete travesty. these type of people are not "poor victims of circumstance", they are criminals who have no place in society.

Eric Cartman · 06-03-2012 12:57pm

At 22 op , i have to say yor behind the times , with hipsters and the internet , those damn pinkos have new ways to spread their filth among each other, i think you need to get a bit more right wing , its the foreigners and travellers causing the problems too

BraziliaNZ · 06-03-2012 12:58pm

rosser44 wrote: »

I would be a big believer in personal freedom but at the same time think that allowing people with 50+ criminal convictions to be granted suspended sentences for crimes against working members of society ( theft of property, assault etc) to be a complete travesty. these type of people are not "poor victims of circumstance", they are criminals who have no place in society.

But what if someone was abused in their childhood, beaten, made to feel worthless, surrounded by anger and frustration and poverty? Brought up to hate everyone else. I think it's immoral and unfair to lock them up and throw away the key. I mean people from good homes and backgrounds need to understand that we would have been completely different under different circumstances. I think we have a higher rate of ASBO behaviour in Ireland/UK because of the way youths are treated by the powers that be, we should be looking at the way they deal with out of control youths in Germany/Sweden etc.

RichieC · 06-03-2012 1:00pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

At 22 op , i have to say yor behind the times , with hipsters and the internet , those damn pinkos have new ways to spread their filth among each other, i think you need to get a bit more right wing , its the foreigners and travellers causing the problems too

Your sig is ironing.

hooradiation · 06-03-2012 1:00pm

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I completely disagree with that. Rand is the perfect cautionary tale for blind belief in a system (Objectivism) which would later be thrown away in later life. In her later years Rand was being supported by the government she had earlier wished to see dissolved via a system she wished to see abolished (welfare).

Well, I was going to reference the "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life" adage but that really doesn't get across how contemptibly awful everything Ayn Rand has written truly is.

Foghladh · 06-03-2012 1:01pm

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

But what if someone was abused in their childhood, beaten, made to feel worthless, surrounded by anger and frustration and poverty? Brought up to hate everyone else. I think it's immoral and unfair to lock them up and throw away the key. I mean people from good homes and backgrounds need to understand that we would have been completely different under different circumstances. I think we have a higher rate of ASBO behaviour in Ireland/UK because of the way youths are treated by the powers that be, we should be looking at the way they deal with out of control youths in Germany/Sweden etc.

Ya see?? It's that kind of hippy talk that we need to clamp down on!!!

GombeanMan · 06-03-2012 1:01pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

At 22 op , i have to say yor behind the times , with hipsters and the internet , those damn pinkos have new ways to spread their filth among each other, i think you need to get a bit more right wing , its the foreigners and travellers causing the problems too

Listen to this guy OP. He is bang on the money. The Government could stop all these foreigners/Irish taking the system for a ride by introuducing biometrics. Will they do it? Will they fcuk. Shower of Socialist Gombeans we have running the country. Bring back hanging I say:P

Eric Cartman · 06-03-2012 1:05pm

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

rosser44 wrote: »

I would be a big believer in personal freedom but at the same time think that allowing people with 50+ criminal convictions to be granted suspended sentences for crimes against working members of society ( theft of property, assault etc) to be a complete travesty. these type of people are not "poor victims of circumstance", they are criminals who have no place in society.

But what if someone was abused in their childhood, beaten, made to feel worthless, surrounded by anger and frustration and poverty? Brought up to hate everyone else. I think it's immoral and unfair to lock them up and throw away the key. I mean people from good homes and backgrounds need to understand that we would have been completely different under different circumstances. I think we have a higher rate of ASBO behaviour in Ireland/UK because of the way youths are treated by the powers that be, we should be looking at the way they deal with out of control youths in Germany/Sweden etc.

A bad past is no excuse for being a criminal . A good person knows the difference between right and wrong. Im sick of this attitude of "ohh he stabbed somebody , but sure his dad wasnt around growing up , lets feel bad for him" . Its sickening , and letting criminals run rampant

GombeanMan · 06-03-2012 1:09pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A bad past is no excuse for being a criminal . A good person knows the difference between right and wrong. Im sick of this attitude of "ohh he stabbed somebody , but sure his dad wasnt around growing up , lets feel bad for him" . Its sickening , and letting criminals run rampant

Cue "he has a drug problem". Yes. But it's still not an excuse to shoot somebody for a heroin fix. Sometimes I get the feeling left leaning folk are trying to make up nonsense excuses for this kind of guff. Really annoys me. Everybody should be equal before the law. None of this suspended sentance crap. At least in the USA, Jail means Jail.

Rabidlamb · 06-03-2012 1:10pm

It's the rapid expansion of the welfare state that gets my goat.
Someone on a wobbler drowns their kids & the next thing it's the state's fault for not providing 24/7 psychiatric services.
Someone's local A&E has a triage surgeon, anesthesiologist, radiologists & 2 full-time surgical nurses on standby for the one patient they see a week.
The state can not be expected to cover every eventuality nor should they be expected to.
No wonder every first world nation is running a deficit trying to provide all these services.

BraziliaNZ · 06-03-2012 1:12pm

GombeanMan wrote: »

Cue "he has a drug problem". Yes. But it's still not an excuse to shoot somebody for a heroin fix. Sometimes I get the feeling left leaning folk are trying to make up nonsense excuses for this kind of guff. Really annoys me. Everybody should be equal before the law. None of this suspended sentance crap. At least in the USA, Jail means Jail.

Have you ever had a heroin problem? Do you know what it's like, how strung out people get? Do you feel any pity for the junkies around Dublin or do you think they should all be locked up?
Yes the jail policy in USA, where a disportionate amount of inmates are black (i.e. poor) seems like a really fair system, lock up the poor and throw the keys away, wonderful.

GombeanMan · 06-03-2012 1:13pm

Rabidlamb wrote: »

It's the rapid expansion of the welfare state that gets my goat.
Someone on a wobbler drowns their kids & the next thing it's the state's fault for not providing 24/7 psychiatric services.
Someone's local A&E has a triage surgeon, anesthesiologist, radiologists & 2 full-time surgical nurses on standby for the one patient they see a week.
The state can not be expected to cover every eventuality nor should they be expected to.
No wonder every first world nation is running a deficit trying to provide all these services.

OP, the Government should consist of three functions only. Legislative, Executive, and Judicial. Anything outside of that is a Socialist Monster state. The Government decided one day it wanted to "get into the Business of providing services" for people. Except the Government does not run like a Business. Realistically, you could remove most of the public sector and the country would still be running. I am not Anti Government. Just Anti Big Government. We only need a nightwatchman state.

Crooked Jack · 06-03-2012 1:16pm

gatecrash wrote: »

[Serious answer]

I suppose it depends on what other forums you visit while here, and how often they get derailed. I spend a bit of time over on the military forum, probably cos i never got tired of reading those commando comics when i was a kid.

The habit over there is that you can't post ANYTHING even remotely complimentary to the UK or the Crown forces without someone coming along and dragging the thread into the 800YOOP mess, and extolling the 'virtues' of a bunch of thugs running around the place calling themselves Óglaigh na hÉireann, thus insulting any man or woman who wore and wears the uniform of the PDF and RDF with pride.

There's also the very real fact that in most cases my own personal beliefs are at pretty much the opposite end of the scale to SF.

I'd have a certain degree of respect for Martin McGuinness, as he has quite openly admitted that he was a member of the IRA.

I can't abide Gerry Adams, as even though the dogs on the street know he was part of the IRA, Adams will still refuse to admit it

[/Serious Answer]

This has the potential to spiral off into something totally different from the original post altogether so I'll just address this and then move on.
Over the years there have been many pretenders to the Óglaigh na hÉireann name, the PIRA can not be counted among them.
Were they perfect? Absolutely not. But in a time of crisis they were the only group to stand up and defend their people and their country. The "Defence" Forces you speak of failed miserably in defending anything.

There are a number of practical reasons Adams doesnt admit his IRA activity. Would you risk going to jail over it just to keep people who hate your party happy?

All this stuff has been about the IRA. I'm talking about Sinn Fein. They were and are different groups. Certainly Sinn Fein supported the IRA and I have no doubt there was a lot of dual membership but the fact is that many IRA volunteers held Sinn Fein in nothing but contempt. Sinn Fein and the army council often disagreed on policy and tactics and it was Sinn Fein that encouraged the IRA to adopt peaceful methods.

I have no problem with the fact that your own beliefs are different from the policies followed by Sinn Fein, no reasonable person would take issue with that. My question was why every thread has to descend into this tiresome anti-SF mantra.
My own views would be hugely different from those held by FF, FG, Lab and the like but i can go on this website and engage in any discussion without feeling the need to eventually take some cheap shot at other parties.
By all means, lets have a proper discussion on politics in the right thread but must every thread be dragged into this same old tiresome arguement by some self-righteous, holier-than-thou whinger with a chip about SF on their shoulder

At what age did you become a Right Wing Nutter ?

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