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At what age did you become a Right Wing Nutter ?

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    #62
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    I've always leaned to the left from a very early age, and thankfully, that has never changed.


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    #63
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    It takes viewing the world through a very special prism to take the concept of "hey, let's treat the problem rather than the symptom" and parse it as "letting criminals run rampant".

    Which is the core problem with self identifying 'right wingers' - they'd rather simple soundbite solutions to multifaceted social problems rather than admit that the world they live in is a complex place.


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    #64
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    Have you ever had a heroin problem? Do you know what it's like, how strung out people get? Do you feel any pity for the junkies around Dublin or do you think they should all be locked up?
    Yes the jail policy in USA, where a disportionate amount of inmates are black (i.e. poor) seems like a really fair system, lock up the poor and throw the keys away, wonderful.

    I would support such a charity for these people, provided they remain lawful. Maybe even raise funds for a substitute to heroin. It's a nasty fcuking drug, and while I can fully understand people may not be acting in their normal sense under such conditions, I still don't think it should be an excuse to commit crime. Huge problems in this area exist in the USA, but you can't argue they aren't tough. I don't agree with soft sentancing for violent crime, maybe for non violent if the offender shows some remorse.


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    #65
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    OP, the Government should consist of three functions only. Legislative, Executive, and Judicial. Anything outside of that is a Socialist Monster state. The Government decided one day it wanted to "get into the Business of providing services" for people. Except the Government does not run like a Business. Realistically, you could remove most of the public sector and the country would still be running. I am not Anti Government. Just Anti Big Government. We only need a nightwatchman state.
    The point about government being responsible for many services critical to society, is that the government is then held accountable by the people for their performance managing those services.

    If private companies run those critical services and (deliberately or negligently) fúck up, they are not as accountable, and government can sit on/ignore the problem.

    Take for example, how Britain is looking at privatizing the police force; pretty much everyone is in agreement that that is a disaster waiting to happen, because of how unaccountable a private police force would be.

    There is a balance to be had; you can't have an all or nothing approach to that.


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    #66
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    hooradiation wrote: »
    It takes viewing the world through a very special prism to take the concept of "hey, let's treat the problem rather than the symptom" and parse it as "letting criminals run rampant".

    Which is the core problem with self identifying 'right wingers' - they'd rather simple soundbite solutions to multifaceted social problems rather than admit that the world they live in is a complex place.

    The world is a complex place and all these multifaceted social problems are expensive and take time to fix, so for now, lock them all up in cheaper and more over crowded prisons, fuk them is what I say.

    To have a life where you can end up in prison is a lifestyle choice, I am 100% sure I will not end up there.


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    #67
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    44leto wrote: »
    The world is a complex place and all these multifaceted social problems are expensive and take time to fix, so for now, lock them all up in cheaper and more over crowded prisons, fuk them is what I say.

    To have a life where you can end up in prison is a lifestyle choice, I am 100% sure I will not end up there.

    You have a real sense of empathy don't you. Inspirational to us all.


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    #68
    Sergeant
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    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    In her later years Rand was being supported by the government she had earlier wished to see dissolved via a system she wished to see abolished (welfare).

    She paid into the welfare system all her life. Why shouldn't she have taken back what she was entitled to?


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    #69
    K-9
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    charlietheminxx wrote: »
    What's wrong with having a bit of balance and not being either extreme? Although.... I am only 24 :p I really doubt I could ever become right wing though.

    Oh, a Centrist, dying breed these days!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #70
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    44leto wrote: »
    The world is a complex place and all these multifaceted social problems are expensive and take time to fix, so for now, lock them all up in cheaper and more over crowded prisons, fuk them is what I say.

    A true philosopher king.
    The critical thought on display here is staggering.


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    #71
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Sergeant wrote: »
    She paid into the welfare system all her life. Why shouldn't she have taken back what she was entitled to?

    I am not saying she shouldn't, merely pointing out that she saw the benefit of such a system when she herself needed it.

    I hardly said she should have shown the courage of her convictions and refused to do so.


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    #72
    Rabidlamb
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    GombeanMan wrote: »
    OP, the Government should consist of three functions only. Legislative, Executive, and Judicial. Anything outside of that is a Socialist Monster state. The Government decided one day it wanted to "get into the Business of providing services" for people. Except the Government does not run like a Business. Realistically, you could remove most of the public sector and the country would still be running. I am not Anti Government. Just Anti Big Government. We only need a nightwatchman state.

    I concur.
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    #73
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    hooradiation wrote: »
    It takes viewing the world through a very special prism to take the concept of "hey, let's treat the problem rather than the symptom" and parse it as "letting criminals run rampant".

    Which is the core problem with self identifying 'right wingers' - they'd rather simple soundbite solutions to multifaceted social problems rather than admit that the world they live in is a complex place.

    The problem with your solution is , its like trying to fix a water leak in your house by calling the council and waiting months for them to shut off the entire towns supply.

    These scum need to be locked up to derer others while we sort out the social issues that cause these problems , funnily enough , those crimes are caused by the council estate welfare culture that the left leaning created .


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    #74
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    hooradiation wrote: »
    A true philosopher king.
    The critical thought on display here is staggering.

    Why thank you and I am glad I educated you a little, so you realise if they want to have a life of social disruption and the easy crime option then prison is a possible outcome.

    That is the choice they made.


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    [Deleted User]
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    I swing over and back, it depends who is talking to Joe.


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    #76
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The problem with your solution is , its like trying to fix a water leak in your house by calling the council and waiting months for them to shut off the entire towns supply.

    These scum need to be locked up to derer others while we sort out the social issues that cause these problems , funnily enough , those crimes are caused by the council estate welfare culture that the left leaning created .

    Both you an 44leto are making the same false dichotomy argument, which is unsurprising.

    Nobody is saying anything close to what you believe they are, that justice ought to be suspended (justice, not revenge this is an import distinction you will undoubtedly fail to make) while we try and solve the underlying problem. Your continued disingenuous ramblings further compounds the original premise - the solution to these problems is complex and you'd just rather a "hang 'em all and they deserved it!" solution because that'd nice and easy to grasp and repeat.


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    #77
    BraziliaNZ
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    44leto wrote: »
    Why thank you and I am glad I educated you a little, so you realise if they want to have a life of social disruption and the easy crime option then prison is a possible outcome.

    That is the choice they made.

    They don't have other choices!!! Imagine growing up in some kip where no one finished 3rd year in school, everyone is selling drugs and involved in gangs, and general anti-social behaviour, your parents are drunks and junkies and don't give a f**k about you. Do you think you would be the one f**king shining light of society to come out of that environment? If you do you need to get over yourself.


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    #78
    Wibbs
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    Pretty much the same all my life. Mostly left leanings, some right with a hint of a tint of fascism too.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #79
    Wibbs
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    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    They don't have other choices!!! Imagine growing up in some kip where no one finished 3rd year in school, everyone is selling drugs and involved in gangs, and general anti-social behaviour, your parents are drunks and junkies and don't give a f**k about you. Do you think you would be the one f**king shining light of society to come out of that environment?
    I know quite a few people who have come out of grinding poverty and social deprivation. Indeed the majority of people from disadvantaged backgrounds do turn out alright(though obviously larger society should work towards removing said disadvantages).

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #80
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,044 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The problem with your solution is , its like trying to fix a water leak in your house by calling the council and waiting months for them to shut off the entire towns supply.

    These scum need to be locked up to derer others while we sort out the social issues that cause these problems , funnily enough , those crimes are caused by the council estate welfare culture that the left leaning created .

    Except, even when they are locked up, it doesn't work.

    For once, I agree with some of what you say, especially onsidering dole-spongers and criminals, but the attitudes conservatives lay out in this thread are not "liberal". And therein lies the problem of communication: most conservatives who decry liberalism have no idea what "liberal" actually means!

    If we're going to try and fix a problem, let's fix a problem. Let's not assume that our solution has absiolutely no knock-on effects or consequences, because they will.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #81
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    44leto wrote: »
    Why thank you and I am glad I educated you a little, so you realise if they want to have a life of social disruption and the easy crime option then prison is a possible outcome.

    That is the choice they made.

    They don't have other choices!!! Imagine growing up in some kip where no one finished 3rd year in school, everyone is selling drugs and involved in gangs, and general anti-social behaviour, your parents are drunks and junkies and don't give a f**k about you. Do you think you would be the one f**king shining light of society to come out of that environment? If you do you need to get over yourself.

    This is exactley what almost every successful rapper has done. Im not saying rap or sports are the route for all, but theres proof tht even in the ****test enviroment with no help from anyone, you can get out and make something of yourself. The enviroment doesnt have to impact you if you dont let it


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    #82
    BraziliaNZ
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    This is exactley what almost every successful rapper has done. Im not saying rap or sports are the route for all, but theres proof tht even in the ****test enviroment with no help from anyone, you can get out and make something of yourself. The enviroment doesnt have to impact you if you dont let it

    The tiny minority make something of themselves


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    #83
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    They don't have other choices!!! Imagine growing up in some kip where no one finished 3rd year in school, everyone is selling drugs and involved in gangs, and general anti-social behaviour, your parents are drunks and junkies and don't give a f**k about you. Do you think you would be the one f**king shining light of society to come out of that environment? If you do you need to get over yourself.

    Yeah yeah yeah,,I am from a disadvantaged area I know the same old regaled assumptions, bollox, me my family and friends didn't go that way, we chose not to.

    Its time for some Thomas Hobbes, "Life is nasty brutish and short" but you knew that when you chose to become a criminal


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    #84
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    This is exactley what almost every successful rapper has done. Im not saying rap or sports are the route for all, but theres proof tht even in the ****test enviroment with no help from anyone, you can get out and make something of yourself. The enviroment doesnt have to impact you if you dont let it

    Have a nice wee think for a second here, kid.
    Why might these examples stand out a bit more in your mind then, say, a middle class person rising to well paid position in a business which would also be considered "successful".
    Might it be because these scenarios are the exception rather than the rule?

    And then your use of it as "proof" really doesn't really do much
    Also, "no help from anyone" - yeah. I know you buy into this "i am an island" fantasy but that's not how the world works.


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    #85
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    I was never fully left wing or right wing to begin with. Imo the right wing appeals to people because it presents simple answers ( which are more often than not wrong) to complex problems. On the other hand some of the causes taken up by the left are just insane, its too broad a church.


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    #86
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    I'm in my 40s and still a pink wristed bleeding heart liberal socialist commie red under the bed Hanoi Jane tree hugger.

    However, I have become more extreme on my views of the right wits. I'd have them deported to somewhere remote, or penal servitude to build our new leftopia. Something deserving like that.


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    #87
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    old hippy wrote: »
    I'm in my 40s and still a pink wristed bleeding heart liberal socialist commie red under the bed Hanoi Jane tree hugger.

    However, I have become more extreme on my views of the right wits. I'd have them deported to somewhere remote, or penal servitude to build our new leftopia. Something deserving like that.

    How very reactionary of you.


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    #88
    token101
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    Probably since I was old enough to be able to make my own decisions. When you have to listen to all this stuff about tolerance for your 'neighbours' when they make **** of your area and rob and assault at will because 'sure it's their way of life', it's a bit irritating. When you have to then listen to them saying that if you don't accept them happily into your community without being weary or cautious, even though the same experience has taught you otherwise countless times, it's because you're a racist, it's hard not to become very irritated. You wonder if these people have ever experienced this type of **** before they actually took it upon themselves to preach to you.

    When you have to listen to people tell you that people are entitled to have as many kids as they like and the state must pay for their every need and want or they'll protest, it's difficult to sit there passively and say nothing when your income tax consistently rises to pay for it. When these same people then turn around and bitch about banks being the problem and how bankers should be strung up, it's just bollocks. Same goes for people who took out mortgages. You owe a debt, pay it back or hand back the house. It's not up to everybody else who acted with frugality to pay for your bad choices and your desire to get on the property ladder, or worse still have more than once house.

    When you watch people who have nothing positive to contribute to society other than criminality; all whilst draining the SW system as they don't seek jobs; and then you have people tell you it's their 'socio economic conditions', when lots of people have excelled despite similar conditions, it's hard to listen.

    Watching people tell you that it's inhumane, or whatever other ****e they come up with, for Joan Burton to ask that people be accountable when claiming Jobseekers Allowance, is galling.

    Watching some people in Ireland proclaim their rights and entitlements under every law they've read in the paper about, yet when their responsibility to society comes around they can find a convenient excuse, is sickening.

    If that makes me a 'right wing nutter', so be it.


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    #89
    GombeanMan
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    Bring in a child licence scheme I say. Pushing out babies at the expense of other people should not be a career option:) It costs far too much. There are too many people on this earth as it stands already.


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    #90
    old hippy
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    Hande hoche! wrote: »
    How very reactionary of you.

    And with just cause, amigo :D

    It must be the company I keep. You get to a certain age in life and you get tired of hearing racism and other unpleasantries. A murderous rage builds up in you day after day, week after week, year after year... and suddenly you're standing there amidst a sea of bodies, holding a smoking uzi, thinking "what the frak just happened?"

    Sorry, what were you saying again?


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    #91
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    Bring in a child licence I say. Pushing out babies at the expense of other people should not be a career option:) It costs far too much. There are too many people on this earth as it stands already.

    Will you not be eroding your future workforce?


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