The Official Cavan GAA Discussion thread.

Blue in hope wrote: »

Tom if you were there did you see the aftermath of the thrown bottle in the uncovered stand? A Stewart took a person involved to task and he was then followed and confronted by other supporters. The Gardai are involved now and have taken the CCTV which caught everything that happened.

I didn't but I was on the terrace's on the far side off the field. But if that stuff was going on hopefully the Gardai will deal with it as it has no place in a GAA match.

But back to things that happened on the field.

The red card was in my view the wrong call - not the first time McQuillan has got a major decision wrong and in my view McQuillan didn't have the right position to make the call. The ball was 50/50 and there to be won - everyone in the ground could see that Faulkner had lined Murphy up for the shoulder and was 100% committed to winning the ball. Murphy could see it coming too and tried to pull out and that is why he got hurt and McQuillan only seen the aftermath. Ollie didn't even flinch - he followed the play so it was clear to him that it was a fair challenge. The challenge reminded me of Gollogly's on McHugh in last year's Ulster final - hard and tough and nobody likes to see a player get injured but that doesn't make it a red card incident.

Someone else mentioned another issue where a gaels player lay down when he got a shoulder and Ollie basically laughed at him. Kingscourt have never feared the gaels and have always stood toe to toe with them and there has always been animosity between the teams. Niall Lynch has added a new dimension of physicality to Kingscourt since he took over and you could see that in Kingscourt this year. The gaels have none of that - it's too easy to out physical them - apart from Chesty they have no physically imposing players and I fear that again they will be eaten alive in Ulster.

The gaels will be destroyed by Ballinderry and there will be no tolerance for the dark arts they employ in the county from Ulster referees as we have seen time and time again in the Ulster championship - have the gaels ever finished a game in Ulster with the full compliment?

I really enjoyed the game on Sunday but the worry is that in the county context the best performers on the field are for various reasons not going to be part of the county set up and that is a worry for Cavan.



Ps - can you use the quote tags around the text you are quoting - it's difficult to follow the thread otherwise.

Blue in hope wrote: »

Tom I have been to nearly ever senior match in the championship this year.I missed a couple due to a couple of matches clashing. I am not a member or supporter of any senior club my own club is intermediate. I can honestly say Cavan Gaels have not used any "dark arts" different than any other senior team in the county have used.
I checked up on the forum the last time the Gaels played in Ulster was against Glenswilly in 2011 they finished with full compliment- to ask the question have they ever is not really fair. Try to be open minded and remember every club has an element that people would prefer not to be there and every club has good decent people - Gaels included.

I've been going to enough matches over the years to comment on what I see and to be fair - what have I said on here about Cavan Gaels that is not open - minded??

I know a lot of people who are involved in the gaels -same as most other clubs in the county. I have defended Seanie Johnston on this forum for a long time so it's very unfair to represent anything I say as otherwise.

I called the sending off as I seen it and I had a very good view of it - but if you have a video of it I would love if you posted it up here.

Re the Gaels in Ulster, anyone who follows Cavan football knows that indiscipline has cost them manys the game in Ulster - the facts will back me up on that. I've been at most of the gaels games in Ulster and I 100% stand over that statement - I have always been behind whatever team wins the county championship in Ulster. But to be balanced about it indiscipline is not exclusive to Cavan Gaels and even the county team found in difficult to finish a match with 15 players up until the last few years.

I also stand over what I said about how Cavan Gaels will fare against Ballinderry - they are a light team that lack a real physical presence and that will cost them. They struggle against strong physical teams - I'd love to be proven wrong on this but I doubt I will be.

A lot of debate on the gaels is cast in black and white and I do genuinely believe that the gaels do cultivate the siege mentality and the "nobody likes us but we don't care" attitude - it even came across in the speeches Sunday (believe it or not I stayed to congratulate them after the final whistle ).

I do also stand over what I said about the gaels using the darker side of the game to see them over the line - the constant encroaching by the bench - if you were at the Lacken replay you would have seen the constant battle the linesman had to keep them off the field of play. The winding up of players is also a constant theme over the years - and yes other teams do it too.

It's not a debate worth having to be honest because people don't change their minds on things like this. What concerns me more is the state of the club football scene in Cavan and despite a few decent games this year its as bad as ever.

Under 21 Ulster Championship draw made. Donegal in the quarters - very tough start in the drive for five - no mention of venue!

Mod: Sorry to have to do this lads but no speculating on what happened here - as I understand it the Gardaí are involved and any speculation here could land Boards.ie in hot water. I know it's only banter here so let's leave it at that.

cavan4sam wrote: »

disappointing results for both cavan teams on sunday
by all accounts both of them let leads slip and couldnt finish them off when needed ?

is it this weekend cavan gaels and slaughtneill are in action ?

Yep Cavan Gaels out this weekend (despite what the celt says )

Dissapointing results alright but to be expected to be honest. As was mentioned elsewhere the 17th? ranked team in Cavan was playing the 10th ranked team in Monaghan. As long as that stays the case it will be the same old story unfortunately for Cavan clubs in Ulster.

Hopefully the Gaels can get a result against Slaughtneil at the weekend.

Are there even 8 senior quality teams though and who are they??

Cavan Gaels
Kingscourt
Mullahoran
Ramor
Castlerahan
Ballinagh

Who else??? In my view it should be them six and the rest of the senior championship made up of amalgamations for the improvement of the standard of football. League would also need sorting out too - maybe top 8 play senior??

Not that it makes any difference now but interesting to see that Padraig Faulkner had that red card he received in the county final rescinded!!

Blue in hope wrote: »

The interesting thing is here again someone gets off on a technicality. Why can referees not fill in the match reports correctly? The week after the match the Celt showed a still that showed the ref had got it right. He came out the following week in the paper and said that it was he not the linesman who made the decision and he was 100% happy with it. Then he fails to fill in his match report correctly!

I seen the picture in the celt and it showed nothing of the sort - whatever happened that video you saw??

On Givney I think it's no harm that he has a break for a while from football, he was far from his best last year for Cavan and changing clubs and a new job along with injury means a break would do him the power of good.

celt262 wrote: »

Not in my opinion he was poor last year and eventually lost his place so not much of a loss. The 3 that have left won't be a big miss.

Didn't have a great year last year but that applies to a lot of lads to be fair. But to say he won't be much of a loss is harsh to say the least. He was captain for good reasons and a real leader in the dressing room and on the field. Had a great year in 2013 too and was back to form for Kingscourt this year.

Givney had a poor year and has been poor for a while; there's not much arguing with that and I'm not sure what his best position is but if he rediscovered some form he could be a real asset - break could do him a power of good.

Tierney has opted to go travelling and is another that could do with a break from football.

I hope that's the end of it because we can't afford to lose many more from the panel and I hope there is not a trend here.

Conor Moynagh is someone I'd see as well able to make a seamless transition to the senior side and is a future senior captain.

It will be a big year for Gearoid as I'm still not convinced that he is the same player as he was before his injury troubles and we need him back to his best.