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Tragic yet worrying scenes in waterford last night

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  • #52
    TheDoctor
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    Dont have to be a cop to have zero sympathy for scumbags


  • #53
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    drumswan wrote: »
    Does it not strike anyone as unlikely that someone would become separated from the rest, trip and hurt themselves, then fall into a river or stream and drown?

    The chap jumped over a fence with spikes , and fell in a stream according to RTE news @1 .


  • #54
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    drumswan wrote: »
    Does it not strike anyone as unlikely that someone would become separated from the rest, trip and hurt themselves, then fall into a river or stream and drown?



    No it doesn't. The usual antics of cowards. No problem attacking a family home but when confronted run like the little cowardly scum they are.
    You reap what you sow.

    You don't get out much do you


  • #55
    lighterman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭lighterman


    flutered wrote: »
    if they has made sure that he did not go around doing this stuff then i would feel deep sorrow for them, it looks as if they had failed or had never tried.

    My apologies, I didn't realise you knew them personally. I can only presume you do. How else would you know their situation.
    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    "He was a good lad really. Why couldn't the Garda just leave him alone"

    Inverteetd brackets are used to quote someone. who are you quoting. I certainly didn't say he was a good lad. I did and do say he didn't deserve to die.
    TheDoctor wrote: »
    I know this adult (over 18) was in a group who went to vandalize a person house and who then assault that person.
    Tough luck to whatever happens to them after that.

    Where did any report say he went to a house to vandalize it. They were acting the maggot outside someone's show who just happened to be a guard and an altercation which occurred with the group went wrong.
    drumswan wrote: »
    Does it not strike anyone as unlikely that someone would become separated from the rest, trip and hurt themselves, then fall into a river or stream and drown?

    They were being chased, they seem to have separated. He tripped and fell.
    bravestar wrote: »
    Zero sympathy. Yet another member attacked at their own home. When will this country wake up a realise that the way they are asking AGS to do their job is outdated, unrealistic and putting the lives of members, and their families, at risk.

    You say this as if he was targeted yet it seems to have just been coincidence.
    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Dont have to be a cop to have zero sympathy for scumbags

    A group acting the maggot does not make you a scumbag. I would guess your no doctor either or at least I hope your not.

    I wonder would all the people saying he deserved to die say it openingly in a group or are they all just key board warriors


  • #56
    TheDoctor
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    Shut up lighterman will you, imbecile


  • #57
    Zambia
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    Come on lads there is no need for the name calling.

    Facts are in no way established.


  • #58
    TheDoctor
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    I wonder would all the people saying he deserved to die say it openingly in a group or are they all just key board warriors


    Yes I was discussing it openly at lunch time with people and the majority agreed with me. So no issue here stating my feelings in public.


  • #59
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Zambia wrote: »
    Come on lads there is no need for the name calling.

    Facts are in no way established.
    They are established pretty solidly in the 'Garda can do no wrong' brigades mind, thats for sure.


  • #60
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    That child has been let down by the adults who should have been bringing g him up properly.


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  • #61
    TheDoctor
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    And anyone who believe it was a co incidence that a group of 4 men arrived outside a senior guards house and threw glass bottles at it really needs check themselves into the loony bin


  • #62
    lighterman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭lighterman


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Yes I was discussing it openly at lunch time with people and the majority agreed with me. So no issue here stating my feelings in public.

    I'm delighted to hear that. Sure there must be loads of room up there on that horse for them all


  • #63
    TheDoctor
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    Hopefully the other 3 in the group will also fall off the earth and so all society a favour.


  • #64
    damienirel
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    Lost now are they falling off horses they were up on or just falling off the earth??:P


  • #65
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    And anyone who believe it was a co incidence that a group of 4 men arrived outside a senior guards house and threw glass bottles at it really needs check themselves into the loony bin

    The media are telling us it was a coincidence. Funny how people pick and choose the bits they want to believe.


  • #66
    TheDoctor
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    lighterman wrote: »
    I'm delighted to hear that. Sure there must be loads of room up there on that horse for them all

    When not going around causing damage to peoples property and assaulting people means that you are on a "high horse" it really shows the depths to which society has sunk


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  • #67
    lighterman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭lighterman


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    And anyone who believe it was a co incidence that a group of 4 men arrived outside a senior guards house and threw glass bottles at it really needs check themselves into the loony bin

    Why? You mean voluntarily admit themselves in to a psychiatric unit because they hold an opinion that isn't the same as yours.

    slight over-reaction.no???


  • #68
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    When not going around causing damage to peoples property and assaulting people means that you are on a "high horse" it really shows the depths to which society has sunk

    As does celebrating a kids death when you dont know all the facts I suppose


  • #69
    TheDoctor
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    drumswan wrote: »
    As does celebrating a kids death when you dont know all the facts I suppose

    Please enlighten me with all these facts that you have come across then.


  • #70
    TheDoctor
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    drumswan wrote: »
    As does celebrating a kids death when you dont know all the facts I suppose

    Please also point out this celebrating I was engaging in. I must have missed it.


  • #71
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Please enlighten me with all these facts that you have come across then.

    We dont know the facts


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  • #72
    Santa Cruz
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    December2012 wrote: »
    That child has been let down by the adults who should have been bringing g him up properly.

    That "child" is 18 years of age. Correction "was 18 years of age"


  • #73
    TheDoctor
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    Yes lets please stop this "child" rubbish. He was an adult who knew exactly what he was doing.


  • #74
    damienirel
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    drumswan wrote: »
    As does celebrating a kids death when you dont know all the facts I suppose

    don't think anybody is celebrating anything. you're making stuff up now.


  • #75
    lighterman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭lighterman


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    When not going around causing damage to peoples property and assaulting people means that you are on a "high horse" it really shows the depths to which society has sunk

    yep that's it.

    A little reading on what high-horse means: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/high+horse


  • #76
    TheDoctor
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    lighterman wrote: »
    yep that's it.

    A little reading on what high-horse means: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/high+horse


    What a crime, feeling superior to criminals. Whatever should I do


  • #77
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    When not going around causing damage to peoples property and assaulting people means that you are on a "high horse" it really shows the depths to which society has sunk

    No. You are reflective of the depths that society has sunk. A child has died in tragic circumstances. You gloat, you call him a 'scumbag'.


  • #78
    TheDoctor
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    LorMal wrote: »
    No. You are reflective of the depths that society has sunk. A child has died in tragic circumstances. You gloat, you call him a 'scumbag'.


    An adult died, please direct me towards this gloating that I took part in.


  • #79
    lighterman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭lighterman


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    What a crime, feeling superior to criminals. Whatever should I do

    I know exactly what you should do. But 1 reported post is enough here so ill say no more.


  • #80
    drumswan
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    damienirel wrote: »
    don't think anybody is celebrating anything. you're making stuff up now.

    Its the usual little internet fantasy-violence circlejerk from boards' keyboard warriors, plenty of daily mail reading types on here love to revel in this stuff


  • #81
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    lighterman wrote: »
    yep that's it.

    A little reading on what high-horse means: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/high+horse

    glad that was explained...here was I thinking...


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  • #82
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    drumswan wrote: »
    Its the usual little internet fantasy-violence circlejerk from boards' keyboard warriors, plenty of daily mail reading types on here love to revel in this stuff

    LOL!


  • #83
    TheDoctor
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    lighterman wrote: »
    I know exactly what you should do. But 1 reported post is enough here so ill say no more.

    First thing you have said that I 100% think you should do


  • #84
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #85
    average_runner
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    At the end of the day, its the garda that has to go back and live in the house he was attacked in. I am sure he be nervous every dark night there.

    Feel sorry for the man after what these thugs but him thru.


  • #86
    TheDoctor
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    average_runner wrote: »
    At the end of the day, its the garda that has to go back and live in the house he was attacked in. I am sure he be nervous every dark night there.

    Feel sorry for the man after what these thugs but him thru.

    Agreed, the only people who get my sympathies are the family of the home that was attacked


  • #87
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Hi Patww79 - you must be one of those keyboard daily mailers circle jerking that drumswan was on about! lol!
    you could almost taste the hatred in that post. glad i'm a tree hugging guardian reader that abstains or drumswan would seek and destroy me.


  • #88
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    An adult died, please direct me towards this gloating that I took part in.

    Yes, numerically 18 is viewed as an adult. Were you a fully mature and totally responsible adult at 18?

    I am not condoning his behavior but:
    1. He has died in a tragic accident
    2. He was very young
    3. His family must be devastated

    You should not judge. You don't have the full facts. His actions do not warrant his death. You should certainly not call him 'a scumbag'.


  • #89
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #90
    Zulu
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    He was a young boy. Whole life ahead of him. maybe he was a little terror or a scum bag but there's nothing to say he couldn't have become a perfectly respectable adult. He is DEAD and everyone is acting like he got what he deserved because someone, not even proven to be him, threw a bottle at someone?

    A few people in this thread really need to look themselves in the mirror!
    Sigh. This young man, went with a group of other men to a familys home to terrorise them at night time. Children should be able to sleep safely in their homes.
    While I'm sure you would have the same sympathetic attitude if they came at night to your house, to your children, I certainly wouldn't.
    They, when confronted, didn't choose to run off. They threw a bottle at the fathers head. That man could be in the morgue this morning, but thankfully he isn't. These men didn't care less for his life or the life of his wife or family, and you have have the audacity to question our sympathies; to ask us to look into the mirror? Pffft. Jog on.


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  • #91
    average_runner
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Yes, numerically 18 is viewed as an adult. Were you a fully mature and totally responsible adult at 18?

    I am not condoning his behavior but:
    1. He has died in a tragic accident
    2. He was very young
    3. His family must be devastated

    You should not judge. You don't have the full facts. His actions do not warrant his death. You should certainly not call him 'a scumbag'.


    It wasn't an accident, it was an criminal act, pre planned.


  • #92
    TheDoctor
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Yes, numerically 18 is viewed as an adult. Were you a fully mature and totally responsible adult at 18?


    No I believe I would not have been. I also believe I would not have been throwing bottles at guards houses in the early hours in the morning either whether I was 8, 18 or 88.


  • #93
    damienirel
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Yes, numerically 18 is viewed as an adult. Were you a fully mature and totally responsible adult at 18?

    I am not condoning his behavior but:
    1. He has died in a tragic accident
    2. He was very young
    3. His family must be devastated

    You should not judge. You don't have the full facts. His actions do not warrant his death. You should certainly not call him 'a scumbag'.

    Ok this is probably 50% correct.

    Because in the same way you should not label somebody alive a scumbag you shouldn't label somebody dead a scumbag when you don't know the circumstances of the events.

    The fact that the person in question is dead is irrelevant.


  • #94
    Nino Brown
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Yes, numerically 18 is viewed as an adult. Were you a fully mature and totally responsible adult at 18?

    I am not condoning his behavior but:
    1. He has died in a tragic accident
    2. He was very young
    3. His family must be devastated

    You should not judge. You don't have the full facts. His actions do not warrant his death. You should certainly not call him 'a scumbag'.

    I knew right from wrong when I was 4, never mind 18

    1. No tragic would be if the man they bottled died, killing yourself while escaping from a crime is darwinism.
    2. I'll give you that, he was, well done
    3. Also true, but society as a whole are better off


  • #95
    confuseddotcom
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    Arra jaysus a "Man-hunt?!?" The young lad didn't murder anyone. Lock him up alright for a few years fine, but he didn't kill anyone. Too late now anyways.


  • #96
    lighterman
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    Zulu wrote: »
    Sigh. This young man, went with a group of other men to a familys home to terrorise them at night time. Children should be able to sleep safely in their homes.
    While I'm sure you would have the same sympathetic attitude if they came at night to your house, to your children, I certainly wouldn't.
    They, when confronted, didn't choose to run off. They threw a bottle at the fathers head. That man could be in the morgue this morning, but thankfully he isn't. These men didn't care less for his life or the life of his wife or family, and you have have the audacity to question our sympathies; to ask us to look into the mirror? Pffft. Jog on.

    Quote me where it says they deliberately went to this house to terrorise anyone


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  • #97
    Knob Longman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 326 ✭✭Knob Longman


    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/stolen-ambulance-crashes-bus-after-3550901


  • #98
    TheDoctor
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    Knob Longman wrote: »
    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/stolen-ambulance-crashes-bus-after-3550901

    I hope the bus driver and all passengers were ok.
    As for the two who stole the ambulance. Hopefully the got a good battering when they crashed


  • #99
    average_runner
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    confuseddotcom wrote: »
    Arra jaysus a "Man-hunt?!?" The young lad didn't murder anyone. Lock him up alright for a few years fine, but he didn't kill anyone. Too late now anyways.


    But they had intent to do serious harm to the man.

    Live by the sword, die by the sword


  • #100
    mikom
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    lighterman wrote: »
    Quote me where it says they deliberately went to this house to terrorise anyone

    Yeah, they were probably canvassing on behalf of the "I'll fuckin' glass ya" party".


  • #101
    Knob Longman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 326 ✭✭Knob Longman


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    I hope the bus driver and all passengers were ok.
    As for the two who stole the ambulance. Hopefully the got a good battering when they crashed

    Stealing an Ambulance is well below the belt, A nasty thing to do, Isn't it ironic that they then had to helped by the same people whom they stole from..


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