One-Parent Family Payment

MrStuffins · 14-12-2011 12:39am

gcgirl wrote: »

You seem to be running around in a circle, Joan Burton spins a few statements basically labelling OPFA and adding to the stereotyping, I'm a former labour woman here not any more because they have failed to notice what's really wrong with this country

I'm not sure how what you're saying has anything to do with my post.

Offy · 14-12-2011 12:40am

MrStuffins wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njHE4S-HD3I

Anything?

I got to 48 seconds, BORING and certainly not fit for AH.

Offy · 14-12-2011 12:42am

headmaster wrote: »

Ha ha offy, I sort of knew that, but thought that "Iffy" would be more appropriate, still do actually.;)

No, no, no it Offy with a capital O. Would you like me to spell it out for you? opps looks like I just did. me bad!

MrStuffins · 14-12-2011 12:43am

Offy wrote: »

I got to 48 seconds, BORING and certainly not fit for AH.

I guess the ironing was lost on you!

gcgirl · 14-12-2011 12:44am

Sorry MrStuffins just thought you were a bit repetitive with the fraud bit, like all genuine OPFA claimants I'd encourage people to get their facts right and report the person be it dole/disability/invalidity/OPFA ,

Fear Uladh · 14-12-2011 12:44am

I know single mothers, whom are great parents and try to give their children the best of everything and need every penny. I wouldn't report them at all.

The people I would report, is the people that have to means to help themselves already.

Sitec · 14-12-2011 12:44am

gcgirl wrote: »

Possible due to the fact this country has zero childcare support and I am talking bricks in mortar just like other European country's , those genuine leeches are just about keeping the heads above water or do you subscribe to the stereotyping of OPFA claimants

And if you read the post I put up before this I was saying that is the problem. I don't stereotype but in my personal life I see plenty of "single" parents claiming when in reality they're not single at all.

Offy · 14-12-2011 12:45am

MrStuffins wrote: »

I guess the ironing was lost on you!

Theres a lot lost on me. Id like to say lets keep this on topic but we have gone that far off topic now I think this thread should be closed. Time for some frags me thinks

Sitec · 14-12-2011 12:47am

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

Plenty of single parents work and plenty have reasons why they cant. As I said already my youngest has special needs. I dont have anyone who would be able to take care of her. I wouldn't give her to someone who isn't qualified or experienced enough to take care of her hence I cant work.

I already said if the government would supply childcare instead of throwing money at people it would make life easier for everyone.

MrStuffins · 14-12-2011 12:48am

gcgirl wrote: »

Sorry MrStuffins just thought you were a bit repetitive with the fraud bit, like all genuine OPFA claimants I'd encourage people to get their facts right and report the person be it dole/disability/invalidity/OPFA ,

this is what i've been saying too. But i've been coming up against people defending welfare fraud, "Why are you against single mothers" (i'm not). "Reducing spending on Social Welfare wouldn't reduce spending on Social Welfare" among others.

But the best one was "Instead of people reporting fraud, they should create jobs"

Lol!

carfiosaoorl · 14-12-2011 12:58am

I dont think anyone was defending welfare fraud, I know I certainly wasnt. My thoughts at the start of this thread were, here we go again another thread bashing single parents because in AH that is usually what happens. Thankfully this thread didnt really go that way, too much. I think we can all agree that fraud should be clamped down on and sitec I agree with you that the government should provide good subsidised childcare for single parents and job initiatives/training but if that is not there then parents have no choice but to claim social welfare and they dont deserve to be bashed or stereotyped because of it.

Faith+1 · 14-12-2011 1:00am

EGAR wrote: »

Oh no, not another one of those threads, there are at least a trillion on here already.....

A trillion?? Okay I count one, please send me the links for the remaining nine hundred ninety-nine billion nine hundred ninety-nine million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine.

carfiosaoorl · 14-12-2011 1:03am

Faith+1 wrote: »

A trillion?? Okay I count one, please send me the links for the remaining nine hundred ninety-nine billion nine hundred ninety-nine million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine.

Well done.

MrStuffins · 14-12-2011 1:04am

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

I dont think anyone was defending welfare fraud,

Well, at least 1 person was very blatant about it.

Offy wrote: »

I dont, I say defraud away if you can get away with it. In first year, many years ago, one of my teachers said "the difference between smart students and stupid students is that stupid students get caught". I agree.

I know I certainly wasnt. My thoughts at the start of this thread were, here we go again another thread bashing single parents because in AH that is usually what happens. Thankfully this thread didnt really go that way, too much. I think we can all agree that fraud should be clamped down on and sitec I agree with you that the government should provide good subsidised childcare for single parents and job initiatives/training but if that is not there then parents have no choice but to claim social welfare and they dont deserve to be bashed or stereotyped because of it.

I don't think anyone in this thread has stereotyped single-parents. And I don't think anyone is suggesting that single-parents shouldn't claim social welfare. But if they are doing so by fraudulent means then they shouldn't be doing so.

ziggy23 · 14-12-2011 1:08am

Oddjob wrote: »

If he's such a ****ebag, why were you on your back with your legs in the air with him?

What an ignorant horrible thing to say you do not no the first thing about me. So you've never heard of people changing or somebody wanting to shirk their responsibilities??
My god I'd say you have a lot of respect for women

carfiosaoorl · 14-12-2011 1:20am

Ziggy- Whoever oddball is he/she is a fcuking pig. Obviously trying to get a rise out of you, take no notice

ziggy23 · 14-12-2011 1:23am

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

Ziggy- Whoever oddball is he/she is a fcuking pig. Obviously trying to get a rise out of you, take no notice

Thanks:) Raging I missed that I would have given as good as I got:p

Another thing I find that adds to the stigma of lone parents is that were not accepted as a family in this country it has to be 2 parents.

K-9 · 14-12-2011 1:27am

fedor.2. wrote: »

The ratting out is strong in this thread. I wonder would ye go to the people you intend to rat on and tell them your intentions?? would ye fook. Snakes.

The IRA have a lot to answer for in this country.

I say rat away at weasles claiming benefits illegally laughing at the honest single parents trying to get by.

MrStuffins · 14-12-2011 1:32am

ziggy23 wrote: »

Thanks:) Raging I missed that I would have given as good as I got:p

Another thing I find that adds to the stigma of lone parents is that were not accepted as a family in this country it has to be 2 parents.

I completely disagree with this. I think single-parent families are the norm now and are more accepted now than ever.

There is a small minority who wouldn't accept it, but the people who don't accept lone parents as families are either old fogies who are gonna die soon anyway or idiots! Either way they're not worth listening to!

LighterGuy · 14-12-2011 1:40am

studdlymurphy wrote: »

I know 2 people who claim this payment and the fathers are not around. Yet I know 14 people who claim it and have the partner living with them.
Does this ratio meet other peoples observations?
Im not saying it should be done away with as some people do need it, but I think it should be policed a bit better.

Life is all about getting what you can.
And before people jump down my throat, I aint justifying shit. Its still wrong to claim it ... but when it comes to financial gain whats 'wrong' gets thrown out the window by many a person.

K-9 · 14-12-2011 1:40am

Also if you think claiming SW illegally is okay, don't moan about politicians or public servants double jobbing or getting big pay outs. You'd do the exact same in their circumstances.

dr.bollocko · 14-12-2011 2:17am

Offy also banned. Relentless trolling.

studdlymurphy · 14-12-2011 4:57am

fedor.2. wrote: »

The ratting out is strong in this thread. I wonder would ye go to the people you intend to rat on and tell them your intentions?? would ye fook. Snakes.

I wont say it to their face because they dont deserve to be warned, they are stealing from me and you. If they mention that the lost their bonuses I will say it to them now and have no quams about it I dont have too many friends that steal from me maybe you do?

studdlymurphy · 14-12-2011 5:06am

ziggy23 wrote: »

This pisses me off so much. I'm a genuine lone parent my son's father pays nothing towards him doesnt want to see him cos he is a sh1tebag:mad: The amount of people I've heard of living with their partners and claiming OPFP. They are the ones who give genuine folk a bad name. There is never any house checks done just a letter every 6 months or so to say you are still entitled to it.

I agree, I know there are people who are entitled to it and I and most people have no problem with that, its the system thats at fault leaving it easy for people to take advantage.

Fromthetrees · 14-12-2011 8:32am

What the hell is a lone parent if the mother and father is alive? Why not legally force all fathers to be legally responsible for their children. If they want nothing to do with their children garnish their income/social welfare. Obligate fathers to spend at least two or three nights per week with their children unless they're mentally unable or unwilling to. Bottom line, most men want to see their child yet this ridiculous system ensures all unmarried mothers are single parents and all unmarried fathers have absolutely zero rights over their own biological child. The system needs changing.

gcgirl · 14-12-2011 9:11am

Fromthetrees wrote: »

What the hell is a lone parent if the mother and father is alive? Why not legally force all fathers to be legally responsible for their children. If they want nothing to do with their children garnish their income/social welfare. Obligate fathers to spend at least two or three nights per week with their children unless they're mentally unable or unwilling to. Bottom line, most men want to see their child yet this ridiculous system ensures all unmarried mothers are single parents and all unmarried fathers have absolutely zero rights over their own biological child. The system needs changing.

It like a horse you can take it to the well but that does not mean the horse will drink the water, alas there are a lot of men who simply don't give a toss outweighs the good guys who want to be involved in their kids life

Crazy Horse 6 · 14-12-2011 9:41am

Oddjob wrote: »

If he's such a ****ebag, why were you on your back with your legs in the air with him?

MOD Note: Banned

What a horrible thing to say. Shame on you.

Cavehill Red · 14-12-2011 9:55am

gcgirl wrote: »

It like a horse you can take it to the well but that does not mean the horse will drink the water, alas there are a lot of men who simply don't give a toss outweighs the good guys who want to be involved in their kids life

I'd query your ratios severely there. The family law in Ireland is desperately skewed against fathers and many fathers who wish to be involved in their children's lives find themselves effectively excluded, or reduced to the status of a chequebook by a combination of bitter ex-partners and the courts.
I know many men who fought to a standstill for years and still had no meaningful relationship with their children because mothers who refuse to comply with access agreements are never punished by the courts.
The so-called 'deadbeat dad' phenomenon is a tabloid nonsense. There are irresponsible men out there, just as there are irresponsible women. But we need radical overhaul of our family justice system to move towards compulsory mediation and legislation that puts the needs of the child, not the mother, first.

ziggy23 · 14-12-2011 10:02am

gcgirl wrote: »

It like a horse you can take it to the well but that does not mean the horse will drink the water, alas there are a lot of men who simply don't give a toss outweighs the good guys who want to be involved in their kids life

I wouldn't say far outweighs the good guys. Definitely a lot don't actually look their kids financially but I think it takes a special kinda pr1ck that doesn't actually want to see his child.

ziggy23 · 14-12-2011 10:06am

studdlymurphy wrote: »

I agree, I know there are people who are entitled to it and I and most people have no problem with that, its the system thats at fault leaving it easy for people to take advantage.

Very easy as I've said I've never had anybody knock at my door to check I wasn't co-habiting with someone.

gcgirl · 14-12-2011 10:27am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

It like a horse you can take it to the well but that does not mean the horse will drink the water, alas there are a lot of men who simply don't give a toss outweighs the good guys who want to be involved in their kids life

I'd query your ratios severely there. The family law in Ireland is desperately skewed against fathers and many fathers who wish to be involved in their children's lives find themselves effectively excluded, or reduced to the status of a chequebook by a combination of bitter ex-partners and the courts.
I know many men who fought to a standstill for years and still had no meaningful relationship with their children because mothers who refuse to comply with access agreements are never punished by the courts.
The so-called 'deadbeat dad' phenomenon is a tabloid nonsense. There are irresponsible men out there, just as there are irresponsible women. But we need radical overhaul of our family justice system to move towards compulsory mediation and legislation that puts the needs of the child, not the mother, first.

For note my youngest daughter has been in and out of Our ladys in crumlin since she was 6 weeks old , I had a relationship with her father for years so she is not the product of a quicky, last February she spent 6 hours in surgery and 3 hours in recovery her father was no where in sight, as for the previous visits and stays in hospital zero, my friend who was married to her husband for 15 yrs together 18 yrs they have 5 kids together he pays zero spends no time with the kids his family don't even acknowledge them and I do know guys who would run over hot coals for their kids but sadly the wasters ruin it for the good guys and I had 2 uncles who brought up their kids single handed and they did brill

ziggy23 · 14-12-2011 10:32am

gcgirl wrote: »

For note my youngest daughter has been in and out of Our ladys in crumlin since she was 6 weeks old , I had a relationship with her father for years so she is not the product of a quicky, last February she spent 6 hours in surgery and 3 hours in recovery her father was no where in sight, as for the previous visits and stays in hospital zero, my friend who was married to her husband for 15 yrs together 18 yrs they have 5 kids together he pays zero spends no time with the kids his family don't even acknowledge them and I do know guys who would run over hot coals for their kids but sadly the wasters ruin it for the good guys

God that is just awful:( I really do not understand the mentality of these people. Maybe it's just the people around me seem to have loving relationships with their kids.

Cavehill Red · 14-12-2011 10:32am

gcgirl wrote: »

For note my youngest daughter has been in and out of Our ladys in crumlin since she was 6 weeks old , I had a relationship with her father for years so she is not the product of a quicky, last February she spent 6 hours in surgery and 3 hours in recovery her father was no where in sight, as for the previous visits and stays in hospital zero, my friend who was married to her husband for 15 yrs together 18 yrs they have 5 kids together he pays zero spends no time with the kids his family don't even acknowledge them and I do know guys who would run over hot coals for their kids but sadly the wasters ruin it for the good guys

I'm going to be harsh here, because what you wrote initially was very wrong. Your anecdotal evidence is no evidence. I can offer literally dozens of cases in reply featuring selfish, vindictive women who used their children as weapons in psychodramas with men who were continually frustrated in their attempts to simply have a relationship with their children.
My child lives with me. I am one of the lucky fathers who was persistent enough, and had sufficient wherewithal to fight the inequities built into the Irish family law system until it became evident to all concerned that my child should be resident in my custody. Other men, no less caring, had not the same resources nor the same luck in court as I had. Many other men.
It may be that your personal experience has jaundiced you against men, or fathers. I am sorry for that, but your experience is not the only one nor even the majority one, and you're wrong to suggest it is.

gcgirl · 14-12-2011 10:41am

I know what you mean when One of my uncles spilt with his wife she actually got a barring order, he had never laid a hand on her or even stooped to emotional abuse, she was indeed a immature ass, it's unfortunate but he got custody of the 7 kids, stupid thing is he took the bitch back the following yr though they spilt for good 8/9 yrs later, I actually offered 50/50 custody with my ex following our spilt but alas that was shot down by him, promises of taking the kids came to nothing it did not upset me it upset the kids and I know I'm not the only person going through it and the whole family court system needs to be revised

Cavehill Red · 14-12-2011 10:46am

gcgirl wrote: »

I know what you mean when One of my uncles spilt with his wife she actually got a barring order, he had never laid a hand on her or even stooped to emotional abuse, she was indeed a immature ass, it's unfortunate but he got custody of the 7 kids, stupid thing is he took the bitch back the following yr though they spilt for good 8/9 yrs later, I actually offered 50/50 custody with my ex following our spilt but alas that was shot down by him, promises of taking the kids came to nothing it did not upset me it upset the kids and I know I'm not the only person going through it and the whole family court system needs to be revised

I think everyone agrees with that. The current adversarial system does no one any good. It can even cause difficulty when parents are amiable and in agreement about everything in a separation. Much more so when, as is often the case, at least one feels aggrieved. My child's mother visits about three or four times a year. I wish it was more often and I know it's made my child sad and left a sense of abandonment. No one parent can make up for that sense of being abandoned by another parent, no matter how hard you try. That's why we need a system that actively encourages the involvement of both parents, one that puts the needs of the child above everything else.

working fool · 14-12-2011 11:15am

Sitec wrote: »

studdlymurphy wrote: »

Im not one to snitch but there is 4 done so far. Link here for anyone who wants to be a snitch with me.

I don't see how it's being a "snitch". We're not in primary school and frankly if everyone did it we wouldn't have this problem.

Cheers for the link

I shopped 2 of my neighbours
And my cousin . She's a scumbag she was complaining last week how the goverment tricked her into buying an 08 car for the cheap tax and then put it up .
But the final nail in her coffin was when she stated .
" I hope SVP have a better hamper this year "!!!!
Apparently her partner who she can't remember his name when she's filling in the birthcert , dident like the turkey ?

P.s I do know many genuine single parents who do a great job bringing up there kids Under very difficult circumstances .

gnag · 15-12-2011 7:47pm

Just heard a crazy story, (from the person in questions mother!) This girl was claiming one parent payment for the past 5 years while living with the father of her 3 kids, he was claiming single parent tax credits, which i didn't even know existed, and then they got married last May. Is there no on in the social welfare office even the least bit suspicious? There are many single parents who need this payment to make ends meet but this couple were abusing the system in a disgusting manner. Is there even any point in reporting it now? I'm not sure anything would be done at this stage. The only reason she told me was because she was boasting about where her daughter had bought a house and I commented that she must have a very good job to buy in that particular area. She then proceeded to tell me how they lived with her and claimed all these things, so saved loads of money and she was as proud as punch!

Abi · 15-12-2011 8:52pm

Dare I go against the grain here..

Not all lone parents are dishonest about having a partner present in their homes. Just because you see a guy going in and out of the house but 'know' she's on LP, doesn't mean she hasn't notified the SW.

I know this is the case for my brother and his gf. A nosy neighbour of theirs threw that one at them one day, and my brother said with a grin "you do that, call the social welfare".

I think it's wrong for people to be claiming for SW if theres another income in the house on the sly, but I'd want to be 100% sure of it before I go lifting the phone. It's not right to be meddling in other peoples lives without having the proof.

MrStuffins · 15-12-2011 8:54pm

Abi wrote: »

Dare I go against the grain here..

Not all lone parents are dishonest about having a partner present in their homes. Just because you see a guy going in and out of the house but 'know' she's on LP, doesn't mean she hasn't notified the SW.

I know this is the case for my brother and his gf. A nosy neighbour of theirs threw that one at them one day, and my brother said with a grin "you do that, call the social welfare".

I think it's wrong for people to be claiming for SW if theres another income in the house on the sly, but I'd want to be 100% sure of it before I go lifting the phone. It's not right to be meddling in other peoples lives without having the proof.

Well if there's nothing to hide, there shouldn't be a problem if someone lifts the phone? I know it wouldn't be nice to be investigated like that but at the end of the day all you'll have to do is tell the truth and everything's grand!

ziggy23 · 15-12-2011 8:57pm

Abi wrote: »

Dare I go against the grain here..

Not all lone parents are dishonest about having a partner present in their homes. Just because you see a guy going in and out of the house but 'know' she's on LP, doesn't mean she hasn't notified the SW.

I know this is the case for my brother and his gf. A nosy neighbour of theirs threw that one at them one day, and my brother said with a grin "you do that, call the social welfare".

I think it's wrong for people to be claiming for SW if theres another income in the house on the sly, but I'd want to be 100% sure of it before I go lifting the phone. It's not right to be meddling in other peoples lives without having the proof.

As far as I know, I may be wrong though, a lone parent can have a partner stay over 3 nights a week. Does anybody know if this is right? (not for myself btw:P)

Abi · 15-12-2011 9:01pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Well if there's nothing to hide, there shouldn't be a problem if someone lifts the phone? I know it wouldn't be nice to be investigated like that but at the end of the day all you'll have to do is tell the truth and everything's grand!

While I agree with you on the nothing to hide front, the woman in my brothers case dislikes my brother and his girlfriend, and is constantly looking for ways to make trouble for them. Another incident was when she called the ISPCA and told them their dog was neglected. Couldn't be further from the truth, the dog is treated like a king.

Another time she rang the gardai and told them that they were selling drugs, which again is another porkie. I expect the next phone call will be to child protection to accuse them of abusing their kids. She's just an interfering aul bat. Some people go out of their way to make trouble for others. Every time someone lands on the doorstep to do with her latest fairy story they've to go through the embaressment of having to deal with it.

Of course if you've nothing to hide there shouldn't be a problem, but all I'm saying is know what you're talking about before you put people through that.

Abi · 15-12-2011 9:02pm

ziggy23 wrote: »

As far as I know, I may be wrong though, a lone parent can have a partner stay over 3 nights a week. Does anybody know if this is right? (not for myself btw:P)

I've heard this myself, so theres something to it I reckon

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-12-2011 9:10pm

gnag wrote: »

Just heard a crazy story, (from the person in questions mother!) This girl was claiming one parent payment for the past 5 years while living with the father of her 3 kids, he was claiming single parent tax credits, which i didn't even know existed, and then they got married last May. Is there no on in the social welfare office even the least bit suspicious? There are many single parents who need this payment to make ends meet but this couple were abusing the system in a disgusting manner. Is there even any point in reporting it now? I'm not sure anything would be done at this stage. The only reason she told me was because she was boasting about where her daughter had bought a house and I commented that she must have a very good job to buy in that particular area. She then proceeded to tell me how they lived with her and claimed all these things, so saved loads of money and she was as proud as punch!

Appalling behaviour, it makes me very angry to read a story like this. Please do try and report these lowlife leeches.

K-9 · 15-12-2011 9:11pm

Abi wrote: »

Of course if you've nothing to hide there shouldn't be a problem, but all I'm saying is know what you're talking about before you put people through that.

Yeah, in your example though all they'd do is check her file and see that they been notified, end of story.

Robdude · 15-12-2011 9:13pm

I see people having open discussions about how to avoid taxes in Ireland all the time. I've been advised to *not* pay taxes by, well, pretty much everyone I've talked to.

I'm not at all surprised a large number of people are lying on their forms.

MrStuffins · 15-12-2011 9:19pm

Abi wrote: »

While I agree with you on the nothing to hide front, the woman in my brothers case dislikes my brother and his girlfriend, and is constantly looking for ways to make trouble for them. Another incident was when she called the ISPCA and told them their dog was neglected. Couldn't be further from the truth, the dog is treated like a king.

Another time she rang the gardai and told them that they were selling drugs, which again is another porkie. I expect the next phone call will be to child protection to accuse them of abusing their kids. She's just an interfering aul bat. Some people go out of their way to make trouble for others. Every time someone lands on the doorstep to do with her latest fairy story they've to go through the embaressment of having to deal with it.

Of course if you've nothing to hide there shouldn't be a problem, but all I'm saying is know what you're talking about before you put people through that.

Jaysus, I hate people like that!

If I was your brother i'd enjoy getting back at her A LOT!

Abi · 15-12-2011 9:20pm

K-9 wrote: »

Yeah, in your example though all they'd do is check her file and see that they been notified, end of story.

Ah of course yeah. One look at her file and they'd see she's linked to his PPS and sharing the gaff etc.

My angle was moreso about how malicious some people can be, daz all

themadchef · 15-12-2011 9:21pm

ziggy23 wrote: »

As far as I know, I may be wrong though, a lone parent can have a partner stay over 3 nights a week. Does anybody know if this is right? (not for myself btw:P)

Yeah, i'd say you could have some one stay over. "No service charges" :pac:

I'd safely say if you had an inspection and there were any signs of mens clothes in the wardrobes or signs of you and a partner living together then your benefit would be stopped if you claimed not to have a partner living with you.

I'm seperated, working though thank God and i seriously dont know how people cope. It's not just the financial worry, it's the people who think they are a class above ya. Well ya know what, Class doesnt come with a marriage licence, or a 40hr a weeks job (i know because ive had both and not a classy bone in me body :pac:) any way, what im saying is, people need to look at helping each other out and stop trying to bring each other down, raise up, not rip apart.

People are angry, but more pain, more suffering wont make it better, especially where there are children involved.

homerjay2005 · 15-12-2011 9:36pm

gcgirl wrote: »

30 k is excessive

is it? what sorta figures is correct then?

pre last years budget, mary hanifin advised that we were spending over 1billion in lone partent allowance. thats 90,000 people, receiving 12,000euro each.

on to that, another billion plus euro is spend on social, rent and other payments to single parents. that works out at 24k, on average per person. now, i am not sure if that covers child benifit, i dont think it does.

60% of those people have supplemental income such as part time job, others receive maintainance. so i would think 30k is a good base. some may get 15k, some may get 45k.

since then, i think there has been a cut of about 8 euro a week and then changes to rent allowance this year so maybe a grand or two can be knocked off that.

my main issue, is the state should not be paying for a child. that is the job of BOTH parents. all fathers should be paying this instead of the state.

K-9 · 16-12-2011 11:57am

homerjay2005 wrote: »

is it? what sorta figures is correct then?

pre last years budget, mary hanifin advised that we were spending over 1billion in lone partent allowance. thats 90,000 people, receiving 12,000euro each.

on to that, another billion plus euro is spend on social, rent and other payments to single parents. that works out at 24k, on average per person. now, i am not sure if that covers child benifit, i dont think it does.

60% of those people have supplemental income such as part time job, others receive maintainance. so i would think 30k is a good base. some may get 15k, some may get 45k.

since then, i think there has been a cut of about 8 euro a week and then changes to rent allowance this year so maybe a grand or two can be knocked off that.

my main issue, is the state should not be paying for a child. that is the job of BOTH parents. all fathers should be paying this instead of the state.

Unmarried Dads are only liable for child maintenance, not the upkeep of the mother. Divorced parents would be different.

One-Parent Family Payment

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