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Physics Discussions

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PrecariousNuts


    doppler and big section don't go well together


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭Mutant_Fruit


    well, just finished reading my ENTIRE physics book. i then plan to go in a bit early tomorrow and cram in as many predictions as i can. I think i'm fairly set now. I still have 2-3 hours left to re-read the book.

    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
    well, just finished reading my ENTIRE physics book.

    You read all of Real World Physics? And you're still conscious??? 'Tis quite a feat. I'm sticking to my Dan O'Regan revision book... clear, concise and less mistakes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by PrecariousNuts
    doppler and big section don't go well together

    Why not? They can't ask anything *that* hard about Doppler.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭Mutant_Fruit


    read the whole book, and i'm planning on reading some of the more important definations/sections/experiments again tonight, and again tomorrow morning.

    Obviously i didn't read every single word though :p i read the important parts like definations/experiments, and stuff i didn't know. Stuff i definately knew (like linear motion) i skipped completely.

    EDIT: i wrote night instead of morning :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
    read the whole book, and i'm planning on reading some of the more important definations/sections/experiments again tonight, and again tomorrow night.

    *Wonders if I should tell you that the physics exam is actually tomorrow morning...*

    Right now, I just need to concentrate on practicals. And definitions. And formulas. And descriptions/explanations. And, well, everything else really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Swifty


    I've gotten grinds off an examiner for Physics (I'm still no physics genuis mind you) but he's given me a better idea of what they want. Apparently some of the explanations of things you see in Real World Physics aren't exactly what they want from you. For example the lightning conductor explanation is fairly small compared to the one this guy gave me.

    For some of those "use your graph to estimate" questions you need to manipulate the formula a fair bit to derive a new equation involving the slope, none of which are in the book.. I've seen these mainly in the "stretched string" sound practicals.

    Particle Physics 100% definate then? That's good. Hopefuly they wont come out with dodgy calculation questions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭Mutant_Fruit


    yeah, found the whole slpoe thing out a few months ago, didn't belive it, but have subsequently been convinced you have to do that.

    Give us some hints as to whats coming up swifty, if you have any.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Swifty


    He never gave any predictions, doubt he has anything to do with setting the paper, he just corrects them. Sorry! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    What defintions has everybody else got for EMF and Ampere? I've seen a few of each of them, the EMF in the book "volatage when applied to a circuit" seems a bit simplistic compared to the others. And the ampere one (the one about the two conductors of infinite lenght placed 1 metre apart in a vacuum) seems a bit too detailed... Are those what everybody else is using?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭penguincakes


    Emf = electro-motive force = the force which occurs when electrons move through a body.

    Dunno bout the ampere, it's some long crap one. I'm not doing the big electricity qs so...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Delphi91


    Originally posted by penguincakes
    Emf = electro-motive force = the force which occurs when electrons move through a body.

    Dunno bout the ampere, it's some long crap one. I'm not doing the big electricity qs so...


    The Ampere is that constant current which, if flowing in two infinitely long conductors of negligible cross-section, placed one meter apart in a vacuum produces a force of 2 x 10 ^(-7) N per meter of length between the conductors.

    Well, ya did ask!...:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    I'm so fecked. This is the only exam that I feel totally unprepared for. At least going into the others I was under the illusion that I was prepared, but this one I know I'm not ready for it. 12 hours 15 minutes to go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Smellyirishman


    I bet you get a B or C subway, me on the other hand, im actually screwed! Looking for a D and then ill be as happy as a pig in things that make him happy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Smellyirishman


    Im looking at

    wavelength
    Pendulum
    String
    ..something

    For section A

    And section B I havent got a clue, just whatever comes up ill give it a bash!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭Mutant_Fruit


    Originally posted by Smellyirishman
    I bet you get a B or C subway, me on the other hand, im actually screwed! Looking for a D and then ill be as happy as a pig in things that make him happy

    ****?

    I hope that comes up as one question... "What makes pigs happy".

    Answer: The things that make pigs happy, are the things that a pig likes that make him happy."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭penguincakes


    Have a look at some mechanics people. That's my final advice before bed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭penguincakes


    "What is physics?" :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭The Shol'va


    The Chief said the article question could be on Microwaves and Telecommunication, and the Cheif ain't wrong :P

    And Mechanics is INCREDIBLY easy if you do applied maths :D

    Now... time to start studying... over 11 hours of time :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭penguincakes


    That would be incredibly nice. I'm not believing it though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭Mutant_Fruit


    Originally posted by The Shol'va
    The Chief said the article question could be on Microwaves and Telecommunication

    What kind of stuff has to be looked over to answer a question on that.
    Apparently the electricity circuit in the house is tipped for question 11.
    What can they possibly ask you on that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by Smellyirishman
    I bet you get a B or C subway, me on the other hand, im actually screwed! Looking for a D and then ill be as happy as a pig in things that make him happy

    Right now, a B1 would be gorgeous. But at best I'll get a C2/C1. I *need* a B1 at least in this, so that's why I say I'm fairly screwed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭Mutant_Fruit


    Originally posted by penguincakes
    "What is physics?" :D

    I remember the first thing we did in physics class was answer that very question. We answered one by one, and practically half the suggestions of the class were dismissed as being "Mechanics", which was mentioned by the first chap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭NeoSlicerZ


    Beaut of a paper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Smellyirishman


    Twas great!!!

    Definitly got my D (Lmao a t a D!) perhaps got a C, but definitly got my D!!

    Great paper! I did Q1,2,3,4 5,9,10,11,12

    Messed up here and there (called the live wire Red :( )but it was a great paper!

    That has relieved so much stress from me its unreal!! This test was the make or break test and I pwned it!! (lol didnt own it but I did OK considering what I was expecting!)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PrecariousNuts


    Wow, what a paper. It was perfect, nothing hard/complicated at all. I actually managed to get every single question on the paper done, yep all 12. Come on A1!


  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭BangBeater


    Just wondering what other ppl's answers were for the last part of Q6

    (i) Velocity of bob?
    (ii) Velocity of block?

    Average force?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Lovely paper, although I doubt I'll get higher than a B1. And, for once, the predictions were actually true (for the most part anyway). If only applied maths is like that too...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    I don't have the answers to the bob and the block - but all I did was get the mgh (potential energy) and let that equal to .5mv^2 (kinetic energy) and then solve for v. I used m1u1 + m2u2 = m1v1 + m2v2 in there somewhere too. For the average force, I got 0.1224N, but I think I fecked that up somehow. And I'm supposed to be able to do applied maths :rolleyes: .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
    What can they possibly ask you on that?

    Well, stuff about fuses, RCDs, MCBs, voltage-time graphs, wiring in a plug, storage heaters, all that kind of thing...

    I was surprised that doppler wasn't anywhere on the paper though. It did seem to resemble the 2002 sample paper alot.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PrecariousNuts


    No I got the same answer as you subway, it seems right

    (i) was 1.7 something I think
    (ii) 2.45 ish

    Could be completely wrong since I'm just guessing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by PrecariousNuts
    No I got the same answer as you subway

    Hmmm. That could be a very, very bad sign.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭SeanPuddin


    bob was 1.98 m/s

    block went at 12.25 m/s

    average force 0.3N

    i hope!
    can't figure out where i went wrong....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    SeanPuddin - what method did you use? For the average force, I just stuck in F=ma and hoped for the best. My method for (i) and (ii) is above.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭SeanPuddin


    i) potential energy = kinetic energy

    v = 1.98

    ii) Prinicipal C of Momentum

    remember that block weighs absolutely natin!

    v = 12.25

    iii) v^2 = u^2 + 2as

    got a

    use F=ma

    F=0.3N


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PrecariousNuts


    mgh = 1/2 mv^2
    2gh = v^2
    v^2 = 3.92
    v = 1.97 ms-1

    m1v1 = m2v2
    10(1.97) = 8v2
    v2 = 2.47 ms-1

    v^2 = u^2 + 2as
    0 = (2.47)^2 + 4a
    6.125 = -4a
    a = -1.53 ms-2

    F = ma
    F = 0.01225N


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PrecariousNuts


    remember that block weighs absolutely natin!

    what


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by SeanPuddin
    remember that block weighs absolutely natin!

    Actually, it weighs 0.008KG...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Swifty


    Easier than I expected! Fairly happy with that. I am now finished this leaving cert bull****.. Goodbye! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭SeanPuddin


    you didn't convert your masses to kg!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by SeanPuddin
    you didn't convert your masses to kg!

    It doesn't really matter - they just cancel anyway (the decimal points that is).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PrecariousNuts


    I didn't need to, you might notice that I used grams on both sides, converting to kg would have been like dividing both sides by 1000.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭SeanPuddin


    it does matter it comes to 24.625 that way. I think i got that question wrong, but you have to convert defo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PrecariousNuts


    only for the F = ma bit, don't argue with applied mathematicians


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by SeanPuddin
    it does matter it comes to 24.625 that way. I think i got that question wrong, but you have to convert defo.

    No. You don't have to convert defo. You can if you want, but it's just more work. Look at precariousNuts workings and try and see where he went wrong... he didn't. Like he said, converting is just like dividing both sides by 1000. You can if you want, but there's no need. Just like you could divide both sides by 12464321514216 if you wanted to, and it would still be true. But why would you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭SeanPuddin


    i do app. maths....maybe i shud be quiet now! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PrecariousNuts


    m1v1 = m2v2
    10(1.97) = 8v2
    v2 = 2.47 ms-1

    as opposed to

    (.01)(1.97) = (0.008)v2
    v2 = 2.47 ms-1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PrecariousNuts


    hohoho


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    I did:

    Section A:
    Q.1 - Lovely quesiton, although I did make a stupid mistake with the graph (read the word "suitable" and for some reason instead of taking the obvious l against t^2 route, I did a velocity-time graph... only copped on with about 10 mins to go and did it over again - although the values I got using my velocity-time graph gave me a g-value of 9.86m.s^-2, as opposed to 10.309 with the right graph)
    Q.3 - Amazingly easy question. So short for a section A too. They even gave the graph, you'd have been mad not to do this question.
    Q.4 - Again, a lovely question - the only part I didn't do so well in is describing how to use the micrometer... just waffled on a bit. I got 1.41x10^-6§Ùm for the resistivity, dunno if it's right.
    Q.5 - All easy... but I got stuck on (b) and (d) - I got 980N for (b) and 20 times for (d), both of which are probably wrong.
    Q.6 - Totally forgot the proof of F=ma, so I just wrote about momentum proportional to force and wrote down F=ma a few times. Might get a few marks for it.
    Q.7 - Somehow I managed to mess up my formula for these ones. I got 112.5kJ for part (i) and 1406.25s for part (iii).
    Q.8 - Should have done this question, didn't have time.
    Q.9 - For the calculation of the threshold frequency I used c=f¥ë, again, probably wrong. Then I used E = hf + .5mv^2 for the second part. Don't know where I got that from...
    Q.11 - I said a 13 amp fuse for (c) - total guess. And the voltage-time graph, I just did a sine wave...
    Q.12 (a) and (d) - didn't know how to explain the good conductor after 0.6v bit.

    If anybody can be bothered to read all of that, then feel free to improve on my answers (can't be that hard really).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭subway_ie


    Originally posted by PrecariousNuts
    hohoho

    Your shameless endorsement of McDonalds has finally ended!


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