Tarmac drive price 600m2 .

teepee · 16-11-2012 5:25pm #1

Hi all ,

I am looking for a price for a drive way i need to get tarmac machine layed . I have all the krebing , Drainage and levels sorted and all that real need to be done is a small bit of preping and its ready for a base coat of tarmac .
I have a contractor coming out on monday to price it but would like to have a idea of the price . Theres 600 meters squared and its in Galway City .

Cheers ,

Teepee .

macadam · 17-11-2012 1:45pm

Depending on what you want/need, are you looking for two coats Base course and wearing course, macadam or asphalt.

teepee · 17-11-2012 1:49pm

just two layers of Tarmacadam .

macadam · 17-11-2012 4:25pm

Probably cost you approx €14,000, plus vat for 60mm of Base and 40mm of wearing course.
Their is approx 85 tonne of BC and 60 tonne of WCM.

sas · 17-11-2012 6:42pm

macadam wrote: »

Probably cost you approx €14,000, plus vat for 60mm of Base and 40mm of wearing course.
Their is approx 85 tonne of BC and 60 tonne of WCM.

What exactly would the op be getting because that's an awful lot of money, my initial thought was that he asked for a quote for a drive way, not a run way!

I started looking into tarmac some time ago for my house but didn't get far due to a lack of interest from suppliers. I was looking at 700m2.

If I have to pay that sort of money for it, then other paving options are back on the table, having previously been ruled out on a cost basis.

I was under the impression that typically you get 50 - 60mm of tarmac over a compacted based of something like 804.

macadam · 17-11-2012 8:04pm

sas wrote: »

What exactly would the op be getting because that's an awful lot of money, my initial thought was that he asked for a quote for a drive way, not a run way!

I started looking into tarmac some time ago for my house but didn't get far due to a lack of interest from suppliers. I was looking at 700m2.

If I have to pay that sort of money for it, then other paving options are back on the table, having previously been ruled out on a cost basis.

I was under the impression that typically you get 50 - 60mm of tarmac over a compacted based of something like 804.

The OP wants two coats 60mm and 40mm, which is probably overkill on a driveway, if the subbase is solid and compact 50mm rolled should suffice.
You will pay a lot more for other paving options, your driveway will cost approx €10k+ for 50mm SMA, I am also providing you with quantities as this is where the Cowboys make there profits, @50mm your driveway will take approx 85 tonne of asphalt, you also will need blinding to level off and fill all voids etc.
The cowboys could lay your driveway with 50 tonn or less and you wouldnt be any wiser, thats a saving of well over €2.5k and in a few years you will wonder what the fook happened my drive and where have these guys dissapeared too.
I have 60mm of wearing course on my driveway and have no problem bringing in an oil lorry etc as I am confident that the subbase was sufficient and solid enough before I laid my wearing course

AnarchistKen · 18-11-2012 6:04pm

You wouldn't be too far off €18/m2 for base and a 60/40 build up. In my opinion the SMA is a better finish with less rumble and is also slightly cheaper than typical HRA.

As mentioned there are cowboys a plenty out there. If you can't supervise them fully ask that they take a couple sample cores after it has been laid to check depth of construction before final payment is handed over. Obviously agree this with the contractor beforehand!

teepee · 19-11-2012 9:34pm

Got a price today , 50mm tarmac over base .

8,500 euro plus vat .

macadam · 19-11-2012 11:50pm

teepee wrote: »

Got a price today , 50mm tarmac over base .

8,500 euro plus vat .

Where I come from it wouldn't buy the material, can you name the contractor?
Please be wise with your cash!!!

If you ask the contractor where the material is coming from and how much it will take, it should take 85 tonne of base at 60mm and 60 tonne at 40mm of wearing course if thats what he is giving you, just ring his supplier ask price per tonne and as they say do the maths.
100 mm at 60/40 cannot be done at the price you are getting, I do believe that bitmac materials are dearer in the west of Ireland, something is wrong with that price.

teepee · 20-11-2012 12:11am

macadam wrote: »

Where I come from it wouldn't buy the material, can you name the contractor?
Please be wise with your cash!!!

If you ask the contractor where the material is coming from and how much it will take, it should take 85 tonne of base at 60mm and 60 tonne at 40mm of wearing course if thats what he is giving you, just ring his supplier ask price per tonne and as they say do the maths.
100 mm at 60/40 cannot be done at the price you are getting, I do believe that bitmac materials are dearer in the west of Ireland, something is wrong with that price.

Got that price from roadstone , and there no cowboys .

macadam · 20-11-2012 8:00am

teepee wrote: »

Got that price from roadstone , and there no cowboys .

What exactly are you getting for €8500??

teepee · 20-11-2012 9:09pm

The break down of the price was ,

up to 60mm of final blinding with Clause 804 1,332.00 Euro .

50mm of AC10 close surf to CL909 7,1680.00 Euro .

Does that sound right , I have all the ground work done and there a good soild base down and compacked for the last 8 years .

bruschi · 20-11-2012 9:54pm

teepee wrote: »

The break down of the price was ,

up to 60mm of final blinding with Clause 804 1,332.00 Euro .

50mm of AC10 close surf to CL909 7,1680.00 Euro .

Does that sound right , I have all the ground work done and there a good soild base down and compacked for the last 8 years .

cl804 isnt tarmac, which is where the difference is. you only have 50 mm of tarmac in that, on top of 60mm of plain stone. which is where the difference of €6500 is with the other quote mentioned on the thread. if you were to have a basecourse of macadam, it would be closer to the 14K. depends on what you want.

macadam · 20-11-2012 9:56pm

teepee wrote: »

just two layers of Tarmacadam .

So you dont require two coats of Tarmacadam as you initially stated,
what your getting now is 60mm of 804 quarry filling and 50mm (Rolled)?
of wearing course macadam.
The local Roadstone plant close to me wont guarantee the wearing course for driveways, they recommend SMA.
Best of luck with it may it serve you well for years to come.

20-11-2012 10:00pm

Just be sure the oil delivery driver doesn’t turn around in the driveway, a neighbour had their driveway ripped up when a full tanker turned on the driveway.

macadam · 05-02-2013 11:13am

@TeePee, Just wondering how the driveway worked out for you, if you got it done, weather wasnt the best for that work this past 3 months.

teepee · 06-02-2013 12:11am

macadam wrote: »

@TeePee, Just wondering how the driveway worked out for you, if you got it done, weather wasnt the best for that work this past 3 months.

Didn't go with it , going to leave it as I have to imagrate due to the lack of work .

Shamrock841 · 28-03-2013 3:25am

macadam,

I got a quote today for my drive, 8400 (incl vat) euro for 70m of concrete kirbing (7.5) , final ready of levels before tar (drive is slopping naturally from the house straight down to the road) 5 aco-drains to stop run off water coming against the house, and 50mm tar over 286m2.

Nothing but old hardcore on the drive,well compacted over the last 27 years! any advice would be appreciated! Thanks in advance!

macadam · 28-03-2013 8:10am

Shamrock I have PM'ed you some information, it seems a bit expensive for "tarmac" which is not really suitable for driveways we use a minimum of SMA as its a stronger material well able to withstand power steering etc, also the amount of FINISHED depth is the secret your driveway @ 50mm will take 35 ton I know guys that would do it with 22 ton thats some saving for them but not for you as in 3 to 4 years your drive will disintegrate

catskin · 05-04-2013 3:36pm

Hi macadam,

Looking for your advice – I have a large area ( 900 sqm) that I am thinking of getting macadam laid on. The area is split into 2 sections – 1/the front and side of the house that is ~ 600 sqm and 2/ the driveway to the road that is ~300. To cut down on cost I was thinking of getting macadam laid at the front and side of the house and then tar and chip laid on the driveway to the road. From your experience would tar and chip be a bad option?

I have priced three contractors to date to apply 50mm macadam to the full 900 sqm, put in 20 mtrs of kerbs, do the required levelling with quarry stone and drainage - this is coming in at between 15.5 and 16.5 euros per sqm.

Thanks
Catskin

yop · 23-04-2013 5:00pm

Hi Macadam
Could I annoy you into a ball park on what 450 sq m may cost a man in Mayo?
From what you are saying 50mm SMA is the way to go.

I have maintainence down there for 6 years so its well compacted. All Kerbed.

Many thanks

Jimar · 21-05-2013 11:05pm

catskin wrote: »

Hi macadam,

Looking for your advice – I have a large area ( 900 sqm) that I am thinking of getting macadam laid on. The area is split into 2 sections – 1/the front and side of the house that is ~ 600 sqm and 2/ the driveway to the road that is ~300. To cut down on cost I was thinking of getting macadam laid at the front and side of the house and then tar and chip laid on the driveway to the road. From your experience would tar and chip be a bad option?

I have priced three contractors to date to apply 50mm macadam to the full 900 sqm, put in 20 mtrs of kerbs, do the required levelling with quarry stone and drainage - this is coming in at between 15.5 and 16.5 euros per sqm.

Thanks
Catskin

Hi,

Can I ask if these prices quoted include vat?

Thanks.

macadam · 21-05-2013 11:10pm

Jimar wrote: »

Hi,

Can I ask if these prices quoted include vat?

Thanks.

Ex vat

catskin · 22-05-2013 9:13am

the price quotes that I received are inclusive of VAT

macadam · 22-05-2013 10:33pm

catskin wrote: »

the price quotes that I received are inclusive of VAT

Yes but for wearing course macadam, ie not Stone mastic asphalt.

catskin · 23-05-2013 8:58am

Yes, thats correct

JuniorB · 23-05-2013 11:23am

Here's a calculator I found on a UK site (to save macadam telling us all how many tons are required!)
http://www.lafarge.co.uk/wps/portal/uk/3_C_6_2-QuantityCalculator#

I've a few q's for Macadam or anyone else who may be able to assist....
How much is a ton of SMA, wearing course macadam etc? Ball parks will do!
Are there many suppliers of this?
Does this cost vary much around the country?
Does this cost vary much over time i.e. does it fluctuate regularly?
Would it be regular practice for contractor to prove the amount of tonnage supplied via invoices etc? i.e. to insure 35 tons if that's what the calc said.

Then at least when we get quotes we can decipher the labour cost etc element and figure out what sort of deal we are getting.

Thanks in advance.

enricoh · 23-05-2013 11:46am

i got tarmac done a few months ago juniorb, i was thinking of putting it down myself n am glad i didnt. worked out at 15e a sq metre including any prep work 804 -( there wasnt much) i supplied gully lids n wavin pipes.
i got 50mm when rolled sma.
i priced sma from roadstone think it was 85e incl a ton.
i was going to do it myself with 2 lads that worked at tarmacing roads in the boom, rent a roller etc n get a few barrows n rakes but i learnt a lot of stuff that i wouldnt have done with them. plus yer man i got put it down with a blawnox? which is way better than anyone eyeing it with a rake

JuniorB · 23-05-2013 2:45pm

enricoh wrote: »

i got tarmac done a few months ago juniorb, i was thinking of putting it down myself n am glad i didnt. worked out at 15e a sq metre including any prep work 804 -( there wasnt much) i supplied gully lids n wavin pipes.
i got 50mm when rolled sma.
i priced sma from roadstone think it was 85e incl a ton.
i was going to do it myself with 2 lads that worked at tarmacing roads in the boom, rent a roller etc n get a few barrows n rakes but i learnt a lot of stuff that i wouldnt have done with them. plus yer man i got put it down with a blawnox? which is way better than anyone eyeing it with a rake

Not a hope I'd be trying to lay myself Enricoh!
Thanks for the ton price for SMA. That will give people here a chance to see what else they are paying for on top of the product as such.
For example if I need 35 ton (at 50mm) then that will be 3k or so. If a lad is charging me 4k I know that he is charging 1k for his time,labour, machinery etc. All ball parks of course but good to have as much info as possible.
Thanks again for the info.

macadam · 23-05-2013 10:40pm

JuniorB wrote: »

Here's a calculator I found on a UK site (to save macadam telling us all how many tons are required!)
http://www.lafarge.co.uk/wps/portal/uk/3_C_6_2-QuantityCalculator#

I've a few q's for Macadam or anyone else who may be able to assist....
How much is a ton of SMA, wearing course macadam etc? Ball parks will do!
Are there many suppliers of this?
Does this cost vary much around the country?
Does this cost vary much over time i.e. does it fluctuate regularly?
Would it be regular practice for contractor to prove the amount of tonnage supplied via invoices etc? i.e. to insure 35 tons if that's what the calc said.

Then at least when we get quotes we can decipher the labour cost etc element and figure out what sort of deal we are getting.

Thanks in advance.

That calculator is not far off the formula I use, as the density of material can differ we need to adjust for this.
there are a number of suppliers of bituminous material products in the country, Roadstone , Kilsaran, Lagan, Siac, Clarkes etc are a few of the bigger companies.
Price can be subject to cahnge as the binder ingredient is made from oil bi product.
Cost can vary from supplier, I purchase 90% of my material from one of the suppliers above and I have a deal done with a rate as Im in the trade and know how it works as in every business theirs a trade price and a retail price.
I always let the customer know the amount of material Im quoting for, I know guys that when laying tarmac get well over 15m2 per ton where as the formula works out at 8.2m2 per ton for 50mm rolled , massive saving for the so called "contractor" but the customer is losing out as is the reputable contractor.
Guys feel free to ask or Pm me dont be fooled into paying for something your not getting.

fiona111 · 03-07-2013 5:04pm

Hi
Just wondering what people would recommend. Have about 650m2 where there was tarmac down previously (probably 25+ years ago) but some of it has got ripped up by vehicles over the years (steep hill) and some has grass growing down the middle. There is also about 250m2 which is stone that was put down about 15 years ago but was never tarmaced over. These are the driveway up to two houses and the area to the front/side of the two, so they would need to cope with cars and occasional oil lorries.

I need some advice - what should I put down on the two areas (ie thicknesses and grades of material), and what sort of costs for the two areas. I don't want to end up re-doing it in 5 years time.
thanks very much.

windyboy · 04-07-2013 8:35am

Hi macadam,

I am starting to get quotes for SMA (approx 400m2 driveway). I note that you always advise the tonnage you are quoting for. Once appointed how do I check they have used the tonnage they quoted for, do you give them the delivery dockets?

How many tonnes in a truck load?

Regards,
Windyboy

macadam · 04-07-2013 10:28pm

windyboy wrote: »

Hi macadam,

I am starting to get quotes for SMA (approx 400m2 driveway). I note that you always advise the tonnage you are quoting for. Once appointed how do I check they have used the tonnage they quoted for, do you give them the delivery dockets?

How many tonnes in a truck load?

Regards,
Windyboy

Most trucks( 8 Wheelers) carry 20 tonne, a decent contractor hould tell you the tonnage its very simple to quantify, I always carry my dockets on the job if the customer wishes to see them or even get a copy, 400 m2 @ 50mm compacted will take 49 tonnes @40mm compacted it will take 39 tonnes saving of approx €800

Audioslaven · 04-07-2013 11:27pm

macadam wrote: »

Most trucks( 8 Wheelers) carry 20 tonne, a decent contractor hould tell you the tonnage its very simple to quantify, I always carry my dockets on the job if the customer wishes to see them or even get a copy, 400 m2 @ 50mm compacted will take 49 tonnes @40mm compacted it will take 39 tonnes saving of approx €800

I have about 350 m2, what sort of price would i be looking at with 50mm asphalt. I was told about 15 euro a m2 so would this be the rough guide?

macadam · 04-07-2013 11:35pm

Audioslaven wrote: »

I have about 350 m2, what sort of price would i be looking at with 50mm asphalt. I was told about 15 euro a m2 so would this be the rough guide?

What part of the country are you in as i have set prices with my supplier.€15 is a good price if its for 50mm can you say who the contractor is by PM

Audioslaven · 05-07-2013 12:09am

macadam wrote: »

What part of the country are you in as i have set prices with my supplier.€15 is a good price if its for 50mm can you say who the contractor is by PM

I am based in Mayo. This was over the phone and he is to come out on saturday. I will have more detail come saturday

macadam · 05-07-2013 7:13am

Audioslaven wrote: »

I am based in Mayo. This was over the phone and he is to come out on saturday. I will have more detail come saturday

You know the quantity of material, just ask as many questions you can like, where does he source his material, how many tonnes will it take, is it done with a machine,will there be an even spread of depth ie 50mm compacted which is approx 65mm laid before rolling, does he mind if you stay around and dip the depth before compaction, drainage is it required if so it should be to a main drain or soak away outside the driveway ie in the lawn.

windyboy · 05-07-2013 8:30am

Macadam,

Thanks for advise, I have a heat pump so no oil deliveries , would I be ok with 40mm or is it best to have 50mm finish.

Also another neighbour with 600m2 drive is pricing with me, should we expect much of a discount ?

Cheers,

Windyboy

macadam · 05-07-2013 10:21pm

windyboy wrote: »

Macadam,

Thanks for advise, I have a heat pump so no oil deliveries , would I be ok with 40mm or is it best to have 50mm finish.

Also another neighbour with 600m2 drive is pricing with me, should we expect much of a discount ?

Cheers,

Windyboy

You should get a great rate on 1000m2 if its straight forward, 50mm is whats recommended for driveways, everything depends on the subase, that its up to standard and compacted etc, an even spread of 40mm is ok as I have lifted tarmac thats being down 25+ years and it was wafer thin but still binded together well

Audioslaven · 06-07-2013 1:13am

macadam wrote: »

You know the quantity of material, just ask as many questions you can like, where does he source his material, how many tonnes will it take, is it done with a machine,will there be an even spread of depth ie 50mm compacted which is approx 65mm laid before rolling, does he mind if you stay around and dip the depth before compaction, drainage is it required if so it should be to a main drain or soak away outside the driveway ie in the lawn.

cheers macadam. One guy was out today so said SMA was better than asphalt and the way to go. No price yet but he is to contact me with a price. Another guy coming tomorrow. Was thinking 50mm would be what I would put in. The heaviest vehicle would be an oil lorry

macadam · 06-07-2013 11:51am

Audioslaven wrote: »

cheers macadam. One guy was out today so said SMA was better than asphalt and the way to go. No price yet but he is to contact me with a price. Another guy coming tomorrow. Was thinking 50mm would be what I would put in. The heaviest vehicle would be an oil lorry

Its all down to the subase, Asphalt is superior to SMA, I'd be weary of a contractor saying otherwise.

Audioslaven · 06-07-2013 2:39pm

macadam wrote: »

Its all down to the subase, Asphalt is superior to SMA, I'd be weary of a contractor saying otherwise.

That's what i though alright. I have a driveway of gravel in so the subbase is well compacted down and there for over three years. i wasn't there when the guy said SMA was superior so it was second hand information and maybe my source took it up wrong as I was at work. I will be talking to him directly so will def get a better idea on it. cheers for the info anyway.

macadam · 06-07-2013 3:43pm

Audioslaven wrote: »

That's what i though alright. I have a driveway of gravel in so the subbase is well compacted down and there for over three years. i wasn't there when the guy said SMA was superior so it was second hand information and maybe my source took it up wrong as I was at work. I will be talking to him directly so will def get a better idea on it. cheers for the info anyway.

Maybe he said it was superior to tarmac..

Audioslaven · 07-07-2013 11:53pm

hey Mcadam,
Would hand laid SMA be ok or would I be better to go with machine laid. A few guys do hand laid SMA such as mooney & Kirrane in mayo. Would I be better to stay away from hand laid.

macadam · 08-07-2013 6:31am

Audioslaven wrote: »

hey Mcadam,
Would hand laid SMA be ok or would I be better to go with machine laid. A few guys do hand laid SMA such as mooney & Kirrane in mayo. Would I be better to stay away from hand laid.

We do both, some times the machine just aint suitable for the driveway design and hand lay is the only option, Machine lay is a lot better though as you get an even spread.

Audioslaven · 16-07-2013 11:54pm

Just wondering has anyone used Moran tarmacadam in Kilkelly Mayo and if so how did you find him?

yop · 18-07-2013 1:36pm

They called out to me and gave a very good quote. Told me what to do and what they will be doing.

Audioslaven · 18-07-2013 1:46pm

yop wrote: »

They called out to me and gave a very good quote. Told me what to do and what they will be doing.

ya same here. I take it you will be going with him so. Ya I got a good quote of him as well although he only puts in 40mm rolled as apposed to macadam suggestions. it will be machine laid so thats a plus. I have got a few more quotes as well with one guy putting in 50mm rolled but it was nearly 800 dearer.

yop · 18-07-2013 1:55pm

I got a cheaper quote by 600, hand laid for 40mm. Have to speak to Morans again, have to wait for a few months until I sort out a Tegral issue first.

Audioslaven · 18-07-2013 3:18pm

yop wrote: »

I got a cheaper quote by 600, hand laid for 40mm. Have to speak to Morans again, have to wait for a few months until I sort out a Tegral issue first.

Ok, but i was talking to one guy who said stay away from hand laid SMA, if you can. Now the distance was too far for him but he seemed a genuine guy and was recommended to me by a colleague.

moran seems a decent guy. Have you seen any of his work?

macadam · 18-07-2013 10:51pm

Audioslaven wrote: »

ya same here. I take it you will be going with him so. Ya I got a good quote of him as well although he only puts in 40mm rolled as apposed to macadam suggestions. it will be machine laid so thats a plus. I have got a few more quotes as well with one guy putting in 50mm rolled but it was nearly 800 dearer.

The diffrence will be the cost of the extra material over the M2, personally it will be well worth it, thats like taking 5 days holidays instead of a week because your saving a few quid its up to your self.
Hand laying SMA is fine but you wont get as good a finish or an even spread @ the required depth.

Tarmac drive price 600m2 .

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