season 5 what do expect? (for book readers)

TimeToShine · 10-07-2014 12:30am

It's pretty much the Doran Martell show now as far as I'm concerned! I've watched it like 3 times now, still think it's absolutely crazy. As above Mirri Maz Dur and also Quentyn are my stumbling blocks but he does quite a good job justifying the latter regardless.

Turtyturd · 10-07-2014 7:40am

The pink letter ones are better IMO.

December2012 · 10-07-2014 8:03am

Turtyturd wrote: »

The pink letter ones are better IMO.

I'm aware of the bones of the theory - that it's fake and not from Ramsay. Have you any links to further discussion / analysis?

Turtyturd · 10-07-2014 8:49am

December2012 wrote: »

I'm aware of the bones of the theory - that it's fake and not from Ramsay. Have you any links to further discussion / analysis?

It should be one of the suggested videos under the Dornish ones.

I took the letter at face value while reading the book but it makes a good argument about it not being from Ramsay and the reasons why.

Edit: Here's one...not sure if it's part 1. Just noticed the same guy has one about the locusts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwcuRwod0Xg

TimeToShine · 10-07-2014 10:29am

Turtyturd wrote: »

The pink letter ones are better IMO.

Ah here, all that has to it is that Mance wrote it instead of Ramsey, hardly shocking. In fact, I remember wondering why it wasn't written in blood when reading it but I dismissed it. The Dorne ones are way, way beyond anything that can be spotted on a first or even third read-through.

Turtyturd · 10-07-2014 10:46am

TimeToShine wrote: »

Ah here, all that has to it is that Mance wrote it instead of Ramsey, hardly shocking. In fact, I remember wondering why it wasn't written in blood when reading it but I dismissed it. The Dorne ones are way, way beyond anything that can be spotted on a first or even third read-through.

That's all that's in the video?

Son0vagun · 10-07-2014 10:51am

There's three parts to the Pink Letter Theory. Great theory IMO. The whole Giants = Greenseers was a mind blow.

Sleepy · 10-07-2014 11:06am

Anyone got text versions of those theories?

Mr.Prodston · 10-07-2014 11:12am

I've just watched the first Pink Letter clip and well I have to say that since the moment I read that in the books I assumed it was

Mance Raydar

. Spoilered identity just because.

It was the use of

Bastard

at every opportunity that really raised suspicions for me as

Mance

knew it was a pressure point he could use on Jon. I'll watch the rest now.

Turtyturd · 10-07-2014 11:36am

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

I've just watched the first Pink Letter clip and well I have to say that since the moment I read that in the books I assumed it was
Mance Raydar
. Spoilered identity just because.

It was the use of
Bastard
at every opportunity that really raised suspicions for me as
Mance
knew it was a pressure point he could use on Jon. I'll watch the rest now.

I didn't cop that

Mance was the singer until after I had finished the book

.

TimeToShine · 10-07-2014 12:05pm

Turtyturd wrote: »

That's all that's in the video?

I've watched them all.

It's a bit mad alright, I mean if half of these theories are true there's no way he could wrap it up in 2 books. I just don't think it's as intricate as the Dorne one, which has roots in the very first novel (whether or not you believe them is another story).

Turtyturd · 10-07-2014 12:23pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

I've watched them all.

It's a bit mad alright, I mean if half of these theories are true there's no way he could wrap it up in 2 books. I just don't think it's as intricate as the Dorne one, which has roots in the very first novel (whether or not you believe them is another story).

You said that all there is to it is that Mance wrote the letter, that's clearly not the case. He'd be doing well to drag that out three videos.

December2012 · 11-07-2014 9:16pm

I watched these again today.

Daith · 11-07-2014 9:47pm

They're great theories but just remind me too much of Lost. People would come up with all these amazing theories then eh no.

Duckworth_Luas · 11-07-2014 10:10pm

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

RobbingBandit · 13-07-2014 3:27pm

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

And sometimes it's not...

Mr.Prodston · 16-07-2014 10:58am

The directors for Season 5 have been announced along with the episodes they're doing.

"Episodes 501 and 502: Michael Slovis (episodes of AMC’s Breaking Bad, NBC’s Law & Order: SVU)
Episodes 503 and 504: Mark Mylod (episodes of Showtime’s Shameless and HBO’s Entourage)
Episodes 505 and 506: Jeremy Podeswa (episodes of HBO’s Boardwalk Empire and Showtime’s The Tudors)
Episodes 507 and 508: Miguel Sapochnik (episodes of Fox’s House and Fringe)
Episodes 509 and 510: David Nutter (known as “the pilot whisperer” for his track record in getting pilots picked up to series; Nutter directed four epiosdes of Thrones"

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/07/15/game-of-thrones-season-5-directors/

Hibbeler · 24-07-2014 11:15pm

Stephen Fry as Wyman Manderly anyone? essentially the same character he plays as the Master of Laketown in the Hobbit

Mr.Prodston · 24-07-2014 11:25pm

Hibbeler wrote: »

Stephen Fry as Wyman Manderly anyone? essentially the same character he plays as the Master of Laketown in the Hobbit

Brian Blessed is Wyman Manderley but if and I stress if he isn't then Stephen Fry would be the dream back up. I'd settle for Fry but I'll start a one man revolution if it isn't offered to Blessed!

ArmaniJeanss · 25-07-2014 10:49pm

Don't think this has been posted. New cast members for S5.

Thoughts.
Doran - Doesn't quite look the part to me.
Tyrstane - Seems perfect.
Myrcella (third of her name?) - small enough role, probably ok.
Areo - nailed it.
Yezzen - lol, just lol.
Sand Snakes - seems fine, I guess it depends which one they plan giving the main role to.
Sparrow - Hmmm, an ex Bond baddie - doubtful if he'll make the same mark as Alec Trevelyn. Seems a good choice though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH2ri8RhSnw

TimeToShine · 25-07-2014 10:56pm

I suppose I'll give my opinion in the same format as Armani.

Doran - Looks good, should nail it when he's in character.
Tyrstane - Agree, perfect. He could have played Aegon too.
Myrcella - pretty hot, seems good.
Areo - I would have liked if he pronounced Areo properly but yep, nailed it.
Yezzen - Looks fine to me.
Sand Snakes - Don't know what to make of these, hard to know.
Sparrow - Looks the part (Howland Reed anyone?). As close to perfect casting as I can see.

Where are the Ironborn? They can't be serious, if Euron/Vic are cut I'll go mad. Also Arianne, Quentyn?

I don't know. Hopefully more to come anyway.

Mr.Prodston · 26-07-2014 12:34am

Holding back Brian Blessed as Wyman as the big reveal later. I like their style.

Seriously though that's not all the casting is it?

FunLover18 · 26-07-2014 3:11am

JONATHAN PRYCE!!! That is brilliant casting

Liam O · 26-07-2014 2:49pm

Arianne is a big omission there.

ArmaniJeanss · 26-07-2014 3:02pm

Liam O wrote: »

Arianne is a big omission there.

I wouldn't panic yet, I'd say they will release the names half a dozen at a time as there is loads of parts they still need to fill.
As mentioned Arianne, Quentyn, Victarian and Euron - Can also add Griff, Aegon, Waif, Darkstar, KindlyOldMan, some Oldtown maesters, a Septa for the Cersei storylines.

Whilst 1 or 2 might be dropped, most will be filled soon enough so expect another video in a few weeks imo.

TimeToShine · 26-07-2014 3:05pm

It says on the HBO website that Trystane is "the heir to Dorne".

I think Quentyn is cut, and potentially Arianne too.

Mr.Prodston · 26-07-2014 3:37pm

I don't want to even let half of these thoughts into my head let alone utter them but:

Could they be cutting the Greyjoys, Faegon and friends, the Martells that actually had some story and.... *gulps* Wyman Maderley :eek:

I mean if they've got 3 seasons left and basically 4 books, 2 of which haven't even been written yet then they might need to cut down for "logistical reasons"?

rawn · 26-07-2014 4:22pm

I'm not surprised about the Greyjoys. The TV audience has no interest in them.

Soft Falling Rain · 26-07-2014 4:23pm

They could still me announced in fairness.

December2012 · 26-07-2014 4:59pm

The greyjoy could be in season 6, although I also think they could announce them later.

I see no problem with them listing trystane as the heir to dorne - that is what arianne thinks he's being groomed for anyway.

TimeToShine · 26-07-2014 8:55pm

December2012 wrote: »

The greyjoy could be in season 6, although I also think they could announce them later.

I see no problem with them listing trystane as the heir to dorne - that is what arianne thinks he's being groomed for anyway.

That's Quentyn, Arianne is the heir to Dorne as she's older so unless she and Quentyn both die then Trystane has no claim. What annoys me is that if they confirm that Trystane is heir and cut Arianne it pretty much means that she's another pointless POV (like Quent pretty much) with no impact on the endgame. Cutting her pretty much verifies than Aegon's plot is pointless because it's geared towards him marrying her to get Dorne on his side. At least Quentyn's story was resolved in one book, I don't think I'd be happy waiting years to find out Arianne was a red herring.

The Bogman · 27-07-2014 12:31am

I remember seeing a while back (a good while back,so open to correction) over on westeros.org, one of the seemingly in the know posters was convinced that Arianne would be cut, with the sand snakes taking her place. Also that crows eye and vic would be merged into one character.For the life of me cant remember what the theory for Quentyn was but there was something. I remember writing it off at the time, but not looking good now.....

bnt · 27-07-2014 10:28am

Keisha Castle-Hughes is no newcomer, either - Oscar-nominated for her first film, Whale Rider and was in Star Wars Episode III, more recently acting part-time.

Stench Blossoms · 28-07-2014 11:55am

I really need to read the books again. Can't remember who any of those characters are.

pinkypinky · 28-07-2014 4:08pm

Introducing 9 new cast members - that sounds very intimidating. If they focus too much on Dorne or Iron Isles, people will turn off.

Kunkka · 28-07-2014 5:11pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Introducing 9 new cast members - that sounds very intimidating. If they focus too much on Dorne or Iron Isles, people will turn off.

Stannis is getting a lot more screen time so I am happy

December2012 · 28-07-2014 5:30pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Introducing 9 new cast members - that sounds very intimidating. If they focus too much on Dorne or Iron Isles, people will turn off.

Yeah but let's see who's gone since season 4 started:
Joffrey
Hound
Tywin
Shae
Oberyn
Jojen
Lysa
Ygritte
Styr
Pyp
Grenn
Locke

Now obviously a few characters are more involved than others, but I think the same can be said for the newcomers. Eg Hotah won't be doing much on his own, and the Sand Snakes are pretty much a three for the price of one deal so far.

December2012 · 28-07-2014 5:33pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

That's Quentyn, Arianne is the heir to Dorne as she's older so unless she and Quentyn both die then Trystane has no claim. What annoys me is that if they confirm that Trystane is heir and cut Arianne it pretty much means that she's another pointless POV (like Quent pretty much) with no impact on the endgame. Cutting her pretty much verifies than Aegon's plot is pointless because it's geared towards him marrying her to get Dorne on his side. At least Quentyn's story was resolved in one book, I don't think I'd be happy waiting years to find out Arianne was a red herring.

You're right I had the names mixed up. To paraphrase A Podcast of Ice and Fire I will flip a table if Arianne isn't in the tv show. She's a great character and one I thought HBO would take full advantage of.

Soft Falling Rain · 28-07-2014 5:41pm

Just reading one or two articles on Arriane's apparent axe from the show and jaysus, people really didn't take it too well on twitter. Accusing the runners of sexism to boot.

Son0vagun · 28-07-2014 6:35pm

At least there won't be a Arianne/Jamie love story!

Hibbeler · 29-07-2014 8:36am

Has it been confirmed that Arianne is being dropped or is that just speculation at this stage?

I would have thought that she would be a perfect character for hbo to focus on. Hell, she even has a sex scene in the book that fills an entire chapter basically

Soft Falling Rain · 29-07-2014 8:39am

Hibbeler wrote: »

Has it been confirmed that Arianne is being dropped or is that just speculation at this stage?

I would have thought that she would be a perfect character for hbo to focus on. Hell, she even has a sex scene in the book that fills an entire chapter basically

According to Time, apparently in his official character bio Trsytane is referred to as the heir to Dorne. That's what has some people thinking Arianne is gone.

Hibbeler · 29-07-2014 9:10am

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

According to Time, apparently in his official character bio Trsytane is referred to as the heir to Dorne. That's what has some people thinking Arianne is gone.

Ah I see so it's just speculation then. Could be true of course and her character is being merged with the sand snakes. But could just as easily be a typo by someone who thought that Trystane was the heir to Dorne because he's a male

Hope it's not true because I really liked Arianne in the books and enjoyed the Dorne storyline in general.

Daith · 29-07-2014 1:30pm

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Just reading one or two articles on Arriane's apparent axe from the show and jaysus, people really didn't take it too well on twitter. Accusing the runners of sexism to boot.

Sexism? This show?

Hibbeler wrote: »

I would have thought that she would be a perfect character for hbo to focus on. Hell, she even has a sex scene in the book that fills an entire chapter basically

Just give it to Trystane. Bout time we get more male nudity in this show.

sparkthatbled · 29-07-2014 7:04pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Doran - Doesn't quite look the part to me.

I think this is a pretty good move. Siddig was really good in DS9, I can't wait to hear him deliver the line

"Fire and blood!"

Mr Freeze · 30-07-2014 4:20pm

sparkthatbled wrote: »

I think this is a pretty good move. Siddig was really good in DS9, I can't wait to hear him deliver the line
"Fire and blood!"

Except he won't deliver that line if certain other characters are cut. He might give a beetles speech instead. :pac:

For for no Greyjoys yet, if they are cut why did we bother reading the last 2 books at all?

Liam O · 30-07-2014 4:34pm

Daith wrote: »

Sexism? This show?

Just give it to Trystane. Bout time we get more male nudity in this show.

The last thing the show needs is more nudity. Unless it's Nathalie Emmanuel. Then it's ok, but still a waste of time.

Daith · 31-07-2014 9:23am

Liam O wrote: »

The last thing the show needs is more nudity. Unless it's Nathalie Emmanuel. Then it's ok, but still a waste of time.

If there is to be nudity then at least equal nudity!

Sure you're going to hate Season 5 anyway Liam O. Might as well enjoy some parts.

Mr Freeze · 31-07-2014 9:29am

I think Season 5 is going to suffer a big ratings drop if they focus too much on Dorne.

I always thought that bringing books 4 and 5 to the screen would be a struggle anyways after how good A Storm of Swords was.

Turtyturd · 31-07-2014 7:06pm

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I think Season 5 is going to suffer a big ratings drop if they focus too much on Dorne.

I always thought that bringing books 4 and 5 to the screen would be a struggle anyways after how good A Storm of Swords was.

It's not going to be as drawn out though, there is plenty of material between 2 books to keep the show as entertaining as previous seasons. Jon/Stannis/Mance, Cersei, Jamie/Brienne, Arya, Reek/Ramsey/Roose, and Dany have full arcs to break up the Dorne and Iron Islands stuff.

season 5 what do expect? (for book readers)

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