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Spectre (Bond 24)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    3 hours is the longest ever for a Bond film. Most are around 2 hours with some an 1 hour and 40 minutes and others maybe going to 2 hours and 10 minutes.

    Some of the shorter Bonds dispense with story and character development. Quantum of Solace I felt was a great action movie albeit bereft of much of a story. It seemed to delve into conspiracy theories akin to the Illuminati, freemasons, etc. being entrenched into every government and world entity. The central theme of resource scarcity worked much better in a Mad Max film than a Bond film and with that plot, a Thunderdome style fight and the Mad Max 1-style ending, this film was obviously inspired by this series.

    Quantum of Solace dispensed with the character development of Casino Royale and Skyfall and just got into the action and never really let up. It is probably the most action packed Bond of them all and if one likes non-stop action, this film is for you. SPECTRE I assume will be more like Craig's other 2 films and there is a lot of character development here about Blofeld, how he is connected to Bond's past and why Bond and the secret service have not been aware of SPECTRE/Quantum for years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    It's not gonna be 3 hours long.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Goldstein


    Red King wrote: »
    It looks set to be the first Bond theme to reach number 1 in the charts.

    Meanwhile Bond fans people with ears seem to think it is the worst theme yet.

    FYP :)
    It really is a truly terrible song.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Goldstein wrote: »
    FYP :)
    It really is a truly terrible song.

    I thought Duran Duran went to No. 1 with A View to a Kill. Guns & Roses took their cover of Live and Let Die to No. 1 too I thought??


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    I thought Duran Duran went to No. 1 with A View to a Kill. Guns & Roses took their cover of Live and Let Die to No. 1 too I thought??

    Duran Duran got to no. 1 in Ireland and the US and no. 2. in the UK.

    The Guns N Roses cover wouldn't count anyway but only got to 5 in the UK. I can't find its Irish chart position but it wasn't no. 1 and it made something like 33 in the US.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King


    GNR at their peak could have made a very interesting Bond theme.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King


    Sam Smith has secured the Uk No: 1 this week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Says more about the state of the charts than anything else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Red King wrote: »
    Sam Smith has secured the Uk No: 1 this week.

    It is just a mockery and indictment of how charts are these days.

    Course, all you have to do is sell about 3000 copies now to get close to number 1

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Red King wrote: »

    Nice nods to OHMSS & YOLT with the mountain top retreat and lair inside the crater. Shame that there is no Persian cat though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King


    No cat...as of yet. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭LoveMeSexy


    Worst Bond song ever and I include Madonna's catastrophic effort in that
    Just totally bland and lifeless, apparently it toke him 20 minutes to write. What was he doing for the other 15 minutes?
    Saying that Adele's song was pretty drab too, although I can see why it was successful. Hopefully this won't ruin the film for me, the opposite to how 'You know my name' made Casino Royale infinitely better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Adele's song fit the mood for the film pretty perfectly though, if this latest one captures the mood and tone of Spectre perfectly I think we are in for one hell of a ****e film.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    This is looking like Craig's last outing if his latest comments is anything to go by


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,908 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,790 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I wouldn't read too much into that - this was from literally a week ago:
    Daniel Craig: I will keep playing Bond as long as I can


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    ricero wrote: »
    This is looking like Craig's last outing if his latest comments is anything to go by

    It could just be a ploy for him to get more money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Hype just before movie comes out - simples


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    He'll do one more and that'll be that. Underwhelmed by the proposed successors though - can't see any of those actors bringing much to the table? Tom Hiddleston? Too weedy. Tom Hardy? Too unhinged. Idris Elba? Well... I'm not against a black Bond, but I can't see that happening.

    I just wonder what they can do with Bond now after the Craig era... how can they develop it and make it different?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Where are these articles sourcing their quotes from? Think he is getting misquoted all over the place. Two additional articles have him claiming he is done, and would slash his wrists before doing another, while another article direct quotes him saying he is proud of what is being built and wants to do more with the character.

    Eagerly looking forward to the film anyway. Heard the title theme there during the week and agree with the general consensus, it's pretty muck.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Ill give Craig his due on this, he has seriously raised the bar for an actor to play Bond. He really has done a fantastic job of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Underwhelmed by the proposed successors though - can't see any of those actors bringing much to the table? Tom Hiddleston? Too weedy.

    I don't know about 'weedy', but I do think he's too boyish and young looking. Sean Connery wasn't exactly a brick house but he looked like he could handle himself.
    Tom Hardy? Too unhinged.

    I think Tom Hardy would be great. Yes he can too unhinged very well but I don't think he's limited to it. Somewhere between his Eames in Inception and is Reggie Kray I think lies a fantastic interpretation of Bond waiting to be realised.
    Idris Elba? Well... I'm not against a black Bond, but I can't see that happening.

    Elba is too old at this stage, he's 43. If we get a black Bond next it will be either be Chiwetel Ejiofor or David Oyelowo.

    I know people are tired of hearing it but my first pick for the next Bond would be Fassbender.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    I think Tom Hardy would be great. Yes he can too unhinged very well but I don't think he's limited to it. Somewhere between his Eames in Inception and is Reggie Kray I think lies a fantastic interpretation of Bond waiting to be realised..

    I would go for Tom Hardy too. He did a great Mad Max and he could also be a great Bond, the perfect to continue the Craig style of Bond. Since they made a great duo in Mad Max, it would be good to have Hardy as Bond and Charlize Theron as an all action Bond girl.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,671 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    As usual nearly all the potential successors being mentioned are either too old or too big for the part. It’s probably safe to say Craig is doing another as contracted, meaning the next Bond is at least 5-6 years away from taking on the mantle. So realistically the actor would have to be in their early 30s now. They’d also have to be fairly low profile at this point in their career. Hardy, Ejiofor, Hiddleston, Elba, etc, are way too big. Some of them could have an Oscar in a few years time or their own franchise, making them too expensive for Bond.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    As usual nearly all the potential successors being mentioned are either too old or too big for the part. It’s probably safe to say Craig is doing another as contracted, meaning the next Bond is at least 5-6 years away from taking on the mantle. So realistically the actor would have to be in their early 30s now. They’d also have to be fairly low profile at this point in their career. Hardy, Ejiofor, Hiddleston, Elba, etc, are way too big. Some of them could have an Oscar in a few years time or their own franchise, making them too expensive for Bond.

    This is probably true. Traditionally, the Bond actors were either not all that famous or else came off of TV. In the past, actors like Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson, Liam Neeson and Tom Cruise were all considered by many to be candidates for the then next Bond. All would have made a great Bond I am sure but all these were either too big or had their own franchises.

    Tom Hardy will probably be doing at least another couple of Mad Max films. Matt Damon would likewise be a great Bond but he is Bourne and he has again more of Bourne films coming. The others mentioned above probably will also be committed to various projects.

    Thus far, Bond has been played by white Scottish, Australian, English, Welsh and Irish actors. The first black Bond, the first American Bond, the first Canadian Bond, the first New Zealand Bond, the first South African Bond, etc. may or may not happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Ill give Craig his due on this, he has seriously raised the bar for an actor to play Bond. He really has done a fantastic job of it.

    Craig virtually saved what was by the time he took over at best a cliched, played out series. Die Another Day looked more and more like one of these OTT spoofs of Bond than an actual Bond film.

    I remember going to the cinema and thinking Goldeneye was ok, not one of the best, far from one of the worst. I loved 1989's Licence to Kill and 1987s The Living Daylights. I went to Tomorrow Never Dies and said it was better than Goldeneye and Brosnan really got comfortable in the role. Then, I went to The World is Not Enough and was underwhelmed. OK action film but had a below bar climax compared to its direct predecessors and was perhaps the poorest climax in a Bond film for years.

    But nothing had set me up for what I was to see in Die Another Day. By the time I watched the pretitle part, I thought it was actually quite good. Bond does battle and is captured by a fictional fascist Far Eastern dictator and is tortured and later released. Setting up a gritty, realistic and more raw Bond. I said perhaps I could get something like Dalton or early Connery here. But, apart from its good start, the film sucks. After that, it is stupid transformations of the affore mentioned Korean fascist dictator into an English businessman. Then, there is the ripoff of the Diamonds Are Forever plot with the space satellite. Then, there's those contrived scenes from every other film put in, a stupid sword-fight, a rather underwhelming climax not any better than The World Is Not Enough (Tomorrow Never Dies is the only Brosnan film that has a truly great climax). But The World Is Not Enough is a masterpiece compared to Die Another Day. As bad and all as thing were, the invisible car part really took the biscuit. This would be ok in Austin Powers, but not in a serious Bond movie.

    Coming into Casino Royale, I felt that it just had to go in the right direction. After what went before it, even an avarage movie like The World Is Not Enough would be an improvement but Casino not only surpassed DAD, TWINE, Goldeneye and (Brosnan's best) Tomorrow Never Dies, but was up there with the best of the best (early Connery and Dalton's films). Quantum of Solace was not as good but still good (and better than Brosnan's 4 films too). Skyfall joined Casino and the other best of the best Bond films and SPECTRE looks set to as well. Craig will be a hard act to follow and he has taken the character to new levels. Even his poorest outing, Quantum, beats the socks off all of Brosnan's and the below par Moore films.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,790 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    IIRC Die Another Day was the highest grossing of Brosnan's outings, terrible though it was. It was a surprise he didn't do another.

    In contrast Licence to Kill was a flop, and Dalton probably would have been sacked even if the Broccolis hadn't been tied up in years of legal disputes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭supremenovice


    As a wrestling fan, I fear for Dave Bautista's critical reaction.
    When he left the ring to pursue an MMA career then Hollywood, I wasn't the only one who thought he was foolish to give up a lucrative WWE contract, but when he landed the Bond villain role, I was delighted for him.
    Now, I just hope his performance is up to scratch because its a massive role for a man with extremely limited acting experience.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    As a wrestling fan, I fear for Dave Bautista's critical reaction.
    When he left the ring to pursue an MMA career then Hollywood, I wasn't the only one who thought he was foolish to give up a lucrative WWE contract, but when he landed the Bond villain role, I was delighted for him.
    Now, I just hope his performance is up to scratch because its a massive role for a man with extremely limited acting experience.

    He was great in Guardians of the Galaxy.


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