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  • #252
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,862 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    What happens if they arrive at your door and you reply with...."no thanks lads, I can't afford the €300 for the meter so I don't want it"...


  • #253
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Nonsense we do pay through general taxation. But since we have bailed out the banks and have 400,000 unemployed those taxes are no longer sustainable.

    Taxpayers get nothing for free in this country.

    With this initial outlay between €300-€600 depending on who you listen too and the annual charge of €300-€500 depending on what you use I'd recommend spending your money on sinking a well. It will have paid for itself in two to three years.

    Bullseye, the Irish taxpayer has not paid one red cent of the Bank bailout.

    It has been paid for entirely by increased ECB borrowings and promissory notes to date.

    On the other hand the Irish taxpayer continues to require support to meet our day to day expenditure (arising out of embedded under-taxation and excessive expenditure).

    Strip out the Bank bailout costs & then lets accept that (those excluded) the Irish taxpayer has to ultimately pay his own way. If we cud get this basic agreed, it wud represent a substantial maturing of the Irish left wing alliance.


  • #254
    hilloftara
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭hilloftara


    i have a problem with paying for these ,im broke.my well dried up after 3 yrs after costing 5 grand just for the drilling no comeback on that.and i am gettin on the local scheme and its costing me 15% of the cost and the engineer 1100 euros and now they want me to pay for meter ,will people in council houses have to pay ,such a fool for building my house


  • #255
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    No.

    Someday you'll grasp the reality that we are spending a hell of a lot more than we are raising in tax. The way out is a combination of spending cuts and increases in taxes.

    I'm sorry for the NIMBY's like you, but you just need to chip in and pay your share (and your penalties for late payment which will help everyone else a bit).

    The vast majority is paying their share one way or another.

    What some people can't seem to grasp is that taxing nearly everything possible is NOT going to end the pain of austerity.
    In fact it can be argued that it might prolong it.

    If you take money out of everyone's pockets, there is nothing left to spend on anything beside the bare essentials.
    Thats no cinema tickets, no tv's, no cars, not new house purchases, no new shoes, no new clothes, no inner country holidays or trips, no meals in restaurants and on and on and on...
    ...All adding up to the effect that jobs in all those businesses and more will be cut because the money is not coming in at a rate that will even cover wages and basic running costs.


    ...And we are not spending it, our useless next government is spending it.
    Let's get that correct.
    O' sure the FG and Labour supporters will default to their usual PR spin that "as we elected them, we are to blame" - well how about "as we elected them, we expect them to cut their cloth to suit THEIR measure also" ???
    For example, instead of spending 70 million on a six month job of taking over an EU role (where others previously did the same job for 30 million), they do similar as previous? (LINK)
    Maybe they should stop from spending millions on doing up some dole offices (I say SOME - not all) when in some cases its not as necessary or as urgent?
    (LINK)
    How about they cut back on the rule breaking wages that they are yet again paying out to the big boys and girls while the lower levels are cut with no mercy?
    ...And thats just three off the top of my head!

    The vast majority are paying our share - in everything we have bought for years, decades, months and days!
    Don't dare come here and try (by accident or design) espouse that we are not paying our share already!
    Every time we flick a light on, turn on the heating, start-up the car, drive on our roads, stop and buy something and do many more things - all with vat/tax/charge inclusive, that we are not paying our share?

    There is only so much fcuking blood you can get out of a body - but if your suck the bloody body dry - it dies and it will spend no bloody more!
    Stick around and then see the side effects of that!


  • #256
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    mfceiling wrote: »
    What happens if they arrive at your door and you reply with...."no thanks lads, I can't afford the €300 for the meter so I don't want it"...

    Not much, as I don't think they'll do that.

    Ultimately they'll adjust your TFA cert to collect. Alternatively they'll reduce you SW entitlement. Some legislation required, but they are showing decent intent in fairness.


  • #257
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Biggins wrote: »
    The vast majority is paying their share one way or another.

    What some people can't seem to grasp is that taxing nearly everything possible is NOT going to end the pain of austerity.
    In fact it can be argued that it might prolong it.

    If you take money out of everyone's pockets, there is nothing left to spend on anything beside the bare essentials.
    Thats no cinema tickets, no tv's, no cars, not new house purchases, no new shoes, no new clothes, no inner country holidays or trips, no meals in restaurants and on and on and on...
    ...All adding up to the effect that jobs in all those businesses and more will be cut because the money is not coming in at a rate that will even cover wages and basic running costs.


    ...And we are not spending it, our useless next government is spending it.
    Let's get that correct.
    O' sure the FG and Labour supporters will default to their usual PR spin that "as we elected them, we are to blame" - well how about "as we elected them, we expect them to cut their cloth to suit THEIR measure also" ???
    For example, instead of spending 70 million on a six month job of taking over an EU role (where others previously did the same job for 30 million), they do similar as previous? (LINK)
    Maybe they should stop from spending millions on doing up some dole offices (I say SOME - not all) when in some cases its not as necessary or as urgent?
    (LINK)
    How about they cut back on the rule breaking wages that they are yet again paying out to the big boys and girls while the lower levels are cut with no mercy?
    ...And thats just three off the top of my head!

    The vast majority are paying out share - in everything we have bought for years, decades, months and days!
    Don't dare come here and try (by accident or design) espouse that we are not paying our share already!
    Every time we flick a light on, turn on the heating, start-up the car, drive on our roads, stop and buy something and do many more things - all with vat/tax/charge inclusive, that we are not paying our share.

    There is only so much fcuking blood you can get out of a body - but if your suck the bloody body dry - it dies and it will spend no bloody more!
    Stick around and then see the side effects of that!

    It's called an adjustment to living standards, and unfortunately there is quite a bit more to come (average Irish house probably needs to pay an additional Eur5k per annum imo). But as I've said elsewhere, Gunther has decided that he doesn't want to pay for all the things you mention anymore.

    Either you need to generate more, or else get used to this.


  • #258
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Biggins wrote: »
    The vast majority is paying their share one way or another.

    What some people can't seem to grasp is that taxing nearly everything possible is NOT going to end the pain of austerity.
    In fact it can be argued that it might prolong it.

    If you take money out of everyone's pockets, there is nothing left to spend on anything beside the bare essentials.
    Thats no cinema tickets, no tv's, no cars, not new house purchases, no new shoes, no new clothes, no inner country holidays or trips, no meals in restaurants and on and on and on...
    ...All adding up to the effect that jobs in all those businesses and more will be cut because the money is not coming in at a rate that will even cover wages and basic running costs.


    ...And we are not spending it, our useless next government is spending it.
    Let's get that correct.
    O' sure the FG and Labour supporters will default to their usual PR spin that "as we elected them, we are to blame" - well how about "as we elected them, we expect them to cut their cloth to suit THEIR measure also" ???
    For example, instead of spending 70 million on a six month job of taking over an EU role (where others previously did the same job for 30 million), they do similar as previous? (LINK)
    Maybe they should stop from spending millions on doing up some dole offices (I say SOME - not all) when in some cases its not as necessary or as urgent?
    (LINK)
    How about they cut back on the rule breaking wages that they are yet again paying out to the big boys and girls while the lower levels are cut with no mercy?
    ...And thats just three off the top of my head!

    The vast majority are paying out share - in everything we have bought for years, decades, months and days!
    Don't dare come here and try (by accident or design) espouse that we are not paying our share already!
    Every time we flick a light on, turn on the heating, start-up the car, drive on our roads, stop and buy something and do many more things - all with vat/tax/charge inclusive, that we are not paying our share.

    There is only so much fcuking blood you can get out of a body - but if your suck the bloody body dry - it dies and it will spend no bloody more!
    Stick around and then see the side effects of that!

    +1billion

    There will be a huge sector of society that this will happen to where their limited income will be spent on bills and food - living costs with nothing left over for example the unemloyed, those on minimum wage, those on the average industrial wage.

    While at the very other end of the stick at the top will continue with their over inflated pay packs and will be able for all the extra living costs.


  • #259
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    No.

    Someday you'll grasp the reality that we are spending a hell of a lot more than we are raising in tax. The way out is a combination of spending cuts and increases in taxes.

    I'm sorry for the NIMBY's like you, but you just need to chip in and pay your share (and your penalties for late payment which will help everyone else a bit).

    Don't feel sorry for me pal, I'm grand.

    Reckon I pay a hell of a lot more into the tax coffers of this country than you ever will.

    NIMBY's, whatever next??

    Fool!


  • #260
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    hilloftara wrote: »
    i have a problem with paying for these ,im broke.my well dried up after 3 yrs after costing 5 grand just for the drilling no comeback on that.and i am gettin on the local scheme and its costing me 15% of the cost and the engineer 1100 euros and now they want me to pay for meter ,will people in council houses have to pay ,such a fool for building my house

    I genuinely empathize with you on that.

    If I had the call, I'd give you a tax credit against water/installation/household charges equivalent to the cost you incurred on your original well.

    You should write to Phil. If people who spent money on Stamp Duty are getting a credit, you certainly deserve one.


  • #261
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Don't feel sorry for me pal, I'm grand.

    Reckon I pay a hell of a lot more into the tax coffers of this country than you ever will.

    NIMBY's, whatever next??

    Fool!

    Don't be getting cranky now!!! :D

    & I certainly hope you pay more tax than me as that is in everyones interest! But you are very animated over small money then;)

    BTW, I'm not sorry for you in the slightest.


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  • #262
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    ...Either you need to generate more, or else get used to this.

    The point is that there is only SO MUCH that can be generated from each person before they cross over into not being able to spend on extra's besides basics - and as we are bled more dry with every new additional charge (I'm NOT objecting to paying for water - I do have an issue with this forever 'rental' of a meter), the less there is for even the basics.

    A sack will stand up as long as its filled to a certain extent.
    ...But keep draining the sand out if it - eventually it falls down and is not use to no one!
    Thats us and the money we currently have.

    Now FG and Labour can dream up all the charges they want - but just because they can newly invent them, don't mean all or many can automatically afford to pay them!
    There has to be a point where we (our government) has to say "STOP - we cannot take any more. We are reaching a point where we are doing more harm than good now!".
    ...And if FG and labour CANNOT see that, they don't deserve to remain in government office!


  • #263
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    Don't be getting cranky now!!! :D

    & I certainly hope you pay more tax than me as that is in everyones interest! But you are very animated over small money then;)

    That, my friend is called having principles.

    Why should I be discriminated against for owning my own home?

    Give me one decent reason.


  • #264
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Biggins wrote: »
    The point is that there is only SO MUCH that can be generated from each person before they cross over into not being able to spend on extra's besides basics - and as we are bled more dry with every new additional charge (I'm NOT objecting to paying for water - I do have an issue with this forever 'rental' of a meter), the less there is for even the basics.

    A sack will stand up as long as its filled to a certain extent.
    ...But keep draining the sand out if it - eventually it falls down and is not use to no one!
    Thats us and the money we currently have.

    Now FG and Labour can dream up all the charges they want - but just because they can newly invent them, don't mean all or many can automatically afford to pay them!
    There has to be a point where we (our government) has to say "STOP - we cannot take any more. We are reaching a point where we are doing more harm than good now!".
    ...And if FG and labour CANNOT see that, they don't deserve to remain in government office!

    But what wud you do to get the position back in balance?

    Just ignore the Bank bailout for the moment and assume we just don't pay it (which is ultimately what I feel we shud and will do).

    How wud you balance the books. You need to find Eur15bn that we currently don't have. & not the usual crap like 'do away with quango's' and 'eliminate waste'. While they are absolutely fair objectives, they won't find you 15bn or even 5% of it. So let's hear some real proposals.


  • #265
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    It's called an adjustment to living standards, and unfortunately there is quite a bit more to come (average Irish house probably needs to pay an additional Eur5k per annum imo). But as I've said elsewhere, Gunther has decided that he doesn't want to pay for all the things you mention anymore.

    Either you need to generate more, or else get used to this.



    Many people have already made adjustments. There will come a point where there won't be any more adjustments to make for many people. I suppose they could sell their television in that case to save money on a yearly tv license. Oh no but wait they are going to be hit with a broadcasting charge because just they have a mobile phone that is capable of receiving a tv signal.


  • #266
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    That, my friend is called having principles.

    Why should I be discriminated against for owning my own home?

    Give me one decent reason.

    Gerry, I'd prefer not to engage with someone who has reduced to calling me a fool tonight, but it's about paying for the services that you use.


  • #267
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    But what wud you do to get the position back in balance?

    Just ignore the Bank bailout for the moment and assume we just don't pay it (which is ultimately what I feel we shud and will do).

    How wud you balance the books. You need to find Eur15bn that we currently don't have. & not the usual crap like 'do away with quango's' and 'eliminate waste'. While they are absolutely fair objectives, they won't find you 15bn or even 5% of it. So let's hear some real proposals.

    The only way to balance the books is by getting people off the dole and back to work.
    Maybe enda & co should concentrate their energies a bit more on the domestic side of the economy considering the FDI end of things seems to doing reasonably well.


  • #268
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    That, my friend is called having principles.

    Why should I be discriminated against for owning my own home?

    Give me one decent reason.
    Are you not equally concerned about paying a discriminatory motor tax, and a portion of that tax is (the excess beyond what is needed to maintain the road network)?

    Oh, and we are in the wrong thread! :)


  • #269
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    The current government has got to concentrate on the domestic economy. Putting all their eggs in exports has done nothing. We need to get 400,000 people back to work in the private sector.


  • #270
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    Gerry, I'd prefer not to engage with someone who has reduced to calling me a fool tonight, but it's about paying for the services that you use.

    You were called a fool in reply to your previous condescending post to me.

    Don't be so condescending and you won't be called a fool.


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  • #271
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    But what wud you do to get the position back in balance?

    Just ignore the Bank bailout for the moment and assume we just don't pay it (which is ultimately what I feel we shud and will do).

    How wud you balance the books. You need to find Eur15bn that we currently don't have. & not the usual crap like 'do away with quango's' and 'eliminate waste'. While they are absolutely fair objectives, they won't find you 15bn or even 5% of it. So let's hear some real proposals.

    Well you have already mention possible cutting of quango's so thats one!
    * Amalgamation of certain departments?
    * Look into ways where certain jobs are repeated in office's by different people at the same time?
    * Stop this crap about the Croke Park agreement, that it can't be addressed and reassessed!
    * Here's a novel one. Luxury goods...
    For example, a mobile phone. If one costs over a certain figure say (JUST for example), €250 - you sure as hell can afford to pay an extra €20 in tax?
    * Sounds silly but an extra cent or two on texts? A few million there will help a hospital or emergency fire, etc service somewhere?
    * Stop paying money to criminals while they are all in prison? How much does on average each one get weekly, while they are in there, getting paid for sitting and lying around?
    * Stop social welfare money going bloody abroad? For kids that were once here - or NEVER was here in the first place but their parents are able to claim for them?

    Thats just a few quick ones (which can be obviously shot holes in of course. They are far from perfect ideas) off me head again!


  • #272
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    The current government has got to concentrate on the domestic economy. Putting all their eggs in exports has done nothing. We need to get 400,000 people back to work in the private sector.

    How?

    They wud if they cud, but they just don't have the money.

    They aim to create 2,000 jobs installing water meters and this is the reaction.

    How will they magic up the 400,000 jobs? I'll guarantee you any government would love to be the ones to figure that one out, but in the meantime they have to operate in the real world.


  • #273
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Are you not equally concerned about paying a discriminatory motor tax, and a portion of that tax is (the excess beyond what is needed to maintain the road network)?

    :)

    No.

    Because the guy who rents, or the guy who is a highly subsidised LA tenant and also owns a car is liable for road tax too.


  • #274
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    But what wud you do to get the position back in balance?

    Just ignore the Bank bailout for the moment and assume we just don't pay it (which is ultimately what I feel we shud and will do).

    How wud you balance the books. You need to find Eur15bn that we currently don't have. & not the usual crap like 'do away with quango's' and 'eliminate waste'. While they are absolutely fair objectives, they won't find you 15bn or even 5% of it. So let's hear some real proposals.

    Uk is going to spend 180bn on electricity generators in the next few years. We should be cashing in on that action by providing wind pumped hydro plants and exporting to them at a low cost per kw/hr. But we're too busy pissing money away to do something about that.

    People like P Hogan are part of the problem. Stop standing up for him and his stupid ideas.


  • #275
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    Gerry, I'd prefer not to engage with someone who has reduced to calling me a fool tonight, but it's about paying for the services that you use.

    The same services that renters use.


  • #276
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    so i take it that this dosent apply to private wells right?

    If it doesnt then is it not discrimination against those connected to mains.

    if it does, id like to see them come onto private property to install a meter, on a pump they dont own, to charge for a resouce they dont own or have anyhing to do with.... and if they did somehow manage to do this the minute they leave im ripping the thing out.

    instead of charging for water.... why not sort out the millions of gallons that are lost every year though age old crappy council piping....


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  • #277
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    No.

    Because the guy who rents, or the guy who is a highly subsidised LA tenant and also owns a car is liable for road tax too.

    And both of you are being discriminated against because, along with all motorists, you are being required to pay a tax to the general exchequer that no one else has to pay?

    How on earth is that not discrimination? :confused:


  • #278
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Most counties have 3-4 council authorities. This should be reduced to one.

    Get rid of motor tax altogether and put 3-5 cents on the price of fuel. User pays and this does away with unnecessary paperwork and use of Garda to check for motor tax.

    Cut social welfare and half it for those who are long term unemployed. Those low paid jobs won't be so undesirable. We need to get the 400,000 or as many of them back to work. This will go along way to balance the books.

    Cut VAT to help with spending and put a tax on savings.

    Cut VAT and excise on fuels for haulige companies to control inflation. This should also help keep the price on food etc affordable with everyone having less take home pay.


  • #279
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I already entombed my mains connection under 2 metres of rebar re-inforced concrete in 2010 after the 1st big freeze to ensure I would have water during the cold snap as the incompetent council workers rose the pipe near the surface when they did it for the shut off valve where it then froze, I sank it down a huge depth and installed my own shut off valve inside my property and then sealed it all over with concrete and rebar, so if Phil Hogan wants to meter me he better have a real good kango or rockbreaker for starters, and a tow truck because for good measure I have parked an old banger right over where the connection used to be!
    Can I just say, you're my hero.


  • #280
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    lugha wrote: »
    And both of you are being discriminated against because, along with all motorists, you are being required to pay a tax to the general exchequer that no one else has to pay?

    How on earth is that not discrimination? :confused:

    Not to mention the fella who has a bike! Gerry not happy with him at all!!


  • #281
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    And both of you are being discriminated against because, along with all motorists, you are being required to pay a tax to the general exchequer that no one else has to pay?

    How on earth is that not discrimination? :confused:

    It's my choice.

    I could sell my car but I have to live in my house.


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  • #282
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    Not to mention the fella who has a bike! Gerry not happy with him at all!!

    What are you talking about?:confused:


  • #283
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    How?

    They wud if they cud, but they just don't have the money.

    They aim to create 2,000 jobs installing water meters and this is the reaction.

    How will they magic up the 400,000 jobs? I'll guarantee you any government would love to be the ones to figure that one out, but in the meantime they have to operate in the real world.

    By removing unnecessary red tape and allow the private sector function. Do something about upward only rents and rates.

    2000 jobs? By the time it's gone through the tender phase these jobs may very well be non-Irish jobs.


  • #284
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Naomi00 wrote: »
    So you have to pay for **** quality water...makes loads of sense.
    This is the thing. We'll still be left with crap quality drinking water. I might not be so angry at this if the money was actually going to fix the pipes that leak literally half their contents out before they get to my tap, to say nothing of what leaks in.


  • #285
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    It's my choice.

    I could sell my car but I have to live in my house.

    You cud sell it and rent?


  • #286
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    You cud sell it and rent?

    Have you had a few???


  • #287
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Biggins wrote: »
    The founding members of Labour have turned over in their graves months ago with the antics of the current lot of two-faced traitors to the very people they are supposed to be also representing.
    That would be the unions, whose wages are being paid by these water charges, so in fact Labour is staying true to its remit while bending the private sector over backwards. This brand of socialism has nothing to do with helping "the people", and its quite open about it.


  • #288
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    It's my choice.

    I could sell my car but I have to live in my house.
    Well the glib answer is that you could also sell you house and rent. And while I accept that that is not remotely feasible for many people, neither is selling their car.

    In any case, it would seem that despite your ubiquitous reference to “discriminatory” this is not really a fundamental concern for you (assuming you did not in fact sell you car once you realised you were a victim of such horrendous discrimination? :))


  • #289
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    donegal_road wrote: »
    right, Im going to contribute something possitive to this.. I have just looked into rainwater harvesting systems for domestic houses (just google it and see). I will start a new thread on this soon and post updates and progress as I go along.
    Check out the self sufficiency forum in my sig there, we already have a comprehensive thread on it.


  • #290
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    PrincessLola wrote: »
    I don't know who to vote for anymore, I just hate them all so much.

    May have to do the unthinkable and vote for SF next time.
    It sickens me to my stomach but I have to agree. The shinners will be getting my vote at this rate.


  • #291
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Well the glib answer is that you could also sell you house and rent. And while I accept that that is not remotely feasible for many people, neither is selling their car.

    In any case, it would seem that despite your ubiquitous reference to “discriminatory” this is not really a fundamental concern for you (assuming you did not in fact sell you car once you realised you were a victim of such horrendous discrimination? :))

    I'm glad you see donal as glib, I was thinking that myself.


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  • #292
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Poor old FG+LAB

    They will spend the next 3-4 years putting Ireland into a sustainable tax and charge basis so we can pay our bills into the future, they will become increasingly unpopular over time, Fianna Fail will be voted in 2015 with the Shinners. The economy will recover as a result of the decisions and natural economic cycle, Fianna Fail will take the kudos and reign for another 30 years.


  • #293
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    That would be the unions, whose wages are being paid by these water charges, so in fact Labour is staying true to its remit while bending the private sector over backwards. This brand of socialism has nothing to do with helping "the people", and its quite open about it.

    Indeed, and 'the people' (workers and 'want to be workers') as I'm guessing you allude to (and I agree), have become small fry to be ignored or run roughshod for the sake of the big boys in business, at home and abroad, to cover their 'no-lose' bond gambling and take care of the top countries of the EU (France and Germany, etc).
    My god, Labour alone has in its resolve to bleed the public dry, forgotten whom exactly its supposed to be representing and helping, not sucking them dry for every cent in a sly and open form of capitalism. at every move!


  • #294
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I'm glad you see donal as glib, I was thinking that myself.

    :D:D:D

    Try playing the ball Gerry!!

    In the end of the day you'll pay your 'discriminatory' taxes, and you can well afford it, so stop moaning.


  • #295
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Weathercheck wrote: »
    Poor old FG+LAB

    They will spend the next 3-4 years putting Ireland into a sustainable tax and charge basis so we can pay our bills into the future, they will become increasingly unpopular over time, Fianna Fail will be voted in 2015 with the Shinners. The economy will recover as a result of the decisions and natural economic cycle, Fianna Fail will take the kudos and reign for another 30 years.


    Fianna fail running the country again sends shivers down my spine.
    The way it's going though they'll probably be the 'junior' partner in that set up.


  • #296
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Weathercheck wrote: »
    Poor old FG+LAB

    They will spend the next 3-4 years putting Ireland into a sustainable tax and charge basis so we can pay our bills into the future, they will become increasingly unpopular over time, Fianna Fail will be voted in 2015 with the Shinners. The economy will recover as a result of the decisions and natural economic cycle, Fianna Fail will take the kudos and reign for another 30 years.
    Deja Vu.

    But not to worry. FF will probably balls it up again at some point so FG will have another tilt sometime around 2025 :)


  • #297
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Weathercheck wrote: »
    Poor old FG+LAB

    They will spend the next 3-4 years putting Ireland into a sustainable tax and charge basis so we can pay our bills into the future, they will become increasingly unpopular over time, Fianna Fail will be voted in 2015 with the Shinners. The economy will recover as a result of the decisions and natural economic cycle, Fianna Fail will take the kudos and reign for another 30 years.

    You might not be that far off the mark, but I'll guess two Dáil terms, and that it will be 'FF núa' with Sinners.


  • #298
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    :D:D:D

    Try playing the ball Gerry!!

    In the end of the day you'll pay your 'discriminatory' taxes, and you can well afford it, so stop moaning.

    When everyone else who uses the same services as me is liable, I'll pay.

    I don't appreciate being discriminated against just because I work hard and own my own home.

    Principle!


  • #299
    kincsem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,013 ✭✭✭kincsem


    I'm a single person living alone. I expect after the water meter is installed, and they find out I don't use as much water as a "normal" household I will be charged a minimum water charge i.e. a charge greater than my actual usage.


  • #300
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Heres a good rainwater harvesting thread:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056563876

    Let em try taking the roof off. And incidentally, no, government agents do not have the right to enter your property without a court order or clear suspicion of a crime in progress. They definetely have no right to enter and damage private property.


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  • #301
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    When everyone else who uses the same services as me is liable, I'll pay.

    I don't appreciate being discriminated against just because I work hard and own my own home.

    Principle!

    Ah well, I suppose time will tell that one.

    I'll bet you will pay or that tax free allowance cert is amended (to collect the tax and penalties) long before Local Authority Housing people pay it. Based on your indication that you earn more than me, I wouldn't have a shred of sympathy for you.


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