Ulster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 12-09-2013 2:28pm

Bogota wrote: »

You see this is what I absolutely hate about your posts sometimes. You twist my arguments into some kind of vendetta against Munster players.

The reason it was relevant was because I merely stated that I hope Ferris comes back soon because theres such a void and I dont think McLaughlin (oh my god a Leinster player :rolleyes:) and POM are exceptional at international level.

Obviously because you have perceived it as a 'pop' at a player from your team you've decided to have a go at me.

Yes, because it's just me that thinks you have something against POM :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'm out. Enjoy

bilston · 12-09-2013 2:29pm

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

What has Bogota's obviously skewed opinion on POM have to do with Ulster?

Loose connection to Ferris to begin with but now has lost relevance!

Just on Ferris I wonder where he would stand in the history of Irish rugby if he retired now?

An unfulfilled talent? In Ulster we know he is really really good, in Ireland we know he is very good, but outside of Ireland I wonder if the rest of the world are as convinced. Not because he isn't but because of injury he has never really had the chance to prove it.

Bogota · 12-09-2013 2:30pm

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Well there was, but maybe you chose to block all that out.

Add in the fact that POM is only 23, has captained both Munster and Ireland and isn't even near the peak of his game, and you've the making of a top class 6.

But I suspect you're aware of that, and just threw in a snide off hand remark.

By the way, Croft is out for the season, was poor for the Lions and has barely played for England since 2012.

There was nowhere near the same response and that is a fact. Of the 6s left out, Robshaw was the massive story.

And your missing the point, POM has the potential to be international class I never said he hasn't. All I said if you would care to read my comments again was that right now I dont consider him (or any other 6s other than Ferris) on par with 6s from other top teams.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 12-09-2013 2:30pm

bilston wrote: »

Loose connection to Ferris to begin with but now has lost relevance!

Just on Ferris I wonder where he would stand in the history of Irish rugby if he retired now?

An unfulfilled talent? In Ulster we know he is really really good, in Ireland we know he is very good, but outside of Ireland I wonder if the rest of the world are as convinced. Not because he isn't but because of injury he has never really had the chance to prove it.

Has there been any injury update on Ferris? I asked this the other day but no one seemed to know

jamiedav2011 · 12-09-2013 2:32pm

Bogota wrote: »

There was nowhere near the same response and that is a fact. Of the 6s left out, Robshaw was the massive story.

And your missing the point, POM has the potential to be international class I never said he hasn't. All I said if you would care to read my comments again was that right now I dont consider him (or any other 6s other than Ferris) on par with 6s from other top teams.

You really are tracing paper fella!

Bogota · 12-09-2013 2:35pm

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

You really are tracing paper fella!

I reckon if I put up a poll on a neutral forum asking people to vote for the best player between Lydiate, Croft, POM and McLaughlin it would go Lydiate, Croft as 1 and 2.

But what do I know, let's leave it there.

jamiedav2011 · 12-09-2013 2:38pm

Bogota wrote: »

I reckon if I put up a poll on a neutral forum asking people to vote for the best player between Lydiate, Croft, POM and McLaughlin it would go Lydiate, Croft as 1 and 2.

But what do I know, let's leave it there.

I'd say it would too, in fact I'd vote for Croft. Great player when he's fit.

Doesn't have any relevance to your statement that POM isn't an international class 6 though.

Bogota · 12-09-2013 2:42pm

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

I'd say it would too, in fact I'd vote for Croft. Great player when he's fit.

Doesn't have any relevance to your statement that POM isn't an international class 6 though.

It does when I define international class as parity with at least one or some of the 6s of NZ,SA,Aus, France,England,Wales.

the_doctor199 · 12-09-2013 2:57pm

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Has there been any injury update on Ferris? I asked this the other day but no one seemed to know

Not really, last we all heard was that he had until January so I can't see us getting much info until the end of the year unless he says something on Twitter himself. Fingers crossed he can get back to fitness though, it's almost easy to forget how good he is/was!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBPsBUAQO2k

jamiedav2011 · 12-09-2013 2:59pm

Bogota wrote: »

It does when I define international class as parity with at least one or some of the 6s of NZ,SA,Aus, France,England,Wales.

OK, I'll play that game then. Scott Fardy plays 6 for OZ this weekend, Luatua played 6 for NZ against Argentina.
Even the blindest eye would agree POM is at least parity with both of them (actually he's a far superior player to both).

So, by your logic, (which you're making up as you go along!), POM is an international class six.

QED.

awec · 12-09-2013 3:01pm

Can we move on from the POM discussion please?

bilston · 12-09-2013 3:03pm

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Has there been any injury update on Ferris? I asked this the other day but no one seemed to know

Not that I'm aware of, hopefully back around the end of the year.

the_doctor199 · 12-09-2013 3:09pm

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Has there been any injury update on Ferris? I asked this the other day but no one seemed to know

This from UAFC (Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:32 am) ..

Spoke to big Stevie yesterday evening, still in the moon boot, said the ankle is progressing slowly, he is off on holiday to refresh the body then back for "serious" training, is hoping to be back in December.

Bogota · 12-09-2013 3:22pm

Out of interest, would I be completely out there to tip Henderson to start a few games for Ireland in the 6N??

bilston · 12-09-2013 4:26pm

Bogota wrote: »

Out of interest, would I be completely out there to tip Henderson to start a few games for Ireland in the 6N??

He could easily start a few games in the 6Ns. He wouldn't be in the first choice XV at this moment in time but he is close enough to be considered a real possibility be it at 6 or in the second row especially with the odd injury always likely.

It would probably help if he nailed down one position in the meantime though.

launish116 · 12-09-2013 9:11pm

bilston wrote: »

Fitzpatrick struggled when he came on last week so why start him over Lutton if Glasgow's scrum is stronger.

Scrum still seemed to be dominant regardless of ref's decision

I've been thinking this to, If we remember to the very start of last season wasn't the likes of Afoa kept on the bench letting the weaker front row gain experience, then rush Afoa etc on for a game changer? leaving the thought Lutton is now ranked higher than Fitzpatrick and hoping he ca do damage when brung on.

or

they've decided Fitzpatrick is more important (still think he's a stronger scrummager) especially with Heineken coming up and he needs more game time and a chance to grasp the new engage more competitively.

then again its not the strangest team decision this week

phog · 13-09-2013 7:38am

Thought for the day

Ulster Rugby ‏@UlsterRugby 55m

Our Chaplain, Rev A Thompson is on BBC Radio GMU 'Thought for the Day' this morning remembering Noel, Graham & Nevin Spence 1 year on.

May they Rest in Peace.

Swan Curry · 13-09-2013 7:16pm

3-3,Jackson just nailed one from far enough out.

launish116 · 13-09-2013 7:29pm

Great game so far, porters playing surprisingly well, wilson made some yards to!

Artful_Badger · 13-09-2013 7:29pm

This Porter fella is having a crackin game. Kicking good, passing is spot on and he's sharp as a tack. I assume he's a young fella not long the scene and IQ ?

Buer · 13-09-2013 7:35pm

Artful_Badger wrote: »

This Porter fella is having a crackin game. Kicking good, passing is spot on and he's sharp as a tack. I assume he's a young fella not long the scene and IQ ?

Not particularly. He's 25, was in England up until recently.

Hersheys · 13-09-2013 8:26pm

Tom Court has lost a lot of weight and is looking hot.

Swan Curry · 13-09-2013 8:44pm

Ulster should have this wrapped up by now,that last pass is causing them trouble.

matthew8 · 13-09-2013 8:50pm

How are Glasgow about to win this? Ulster should have been far ahead.

Tox56 · 13-09-2013 8:52pm

This was farcical on an Ireland-Scotland 6 Nations level. How Ulster didn't even score a point with that possession is staggering. 2 dropped passes for walk in tries which would have been taken 99/100 (that's not an exaggeration), and a simple pen miss from a kicker who had nailed everything else that would have made it a 2 score game. Incredible

Artful_Badger · 13-09-2013 8:53pm

Ulster threw that one away. Butchered chance after chance after chance to get out of reach and then coughed up a try to 14 men with a minute left. You couldn't make it up.

Swan Curry · 13-09-2013 8:54pm

If Ulster were an Italian football team, I'd suspect they had made bets against themselves.

P_1 · 13-09-2013 8:54pm

Well Ulster have just killed a lovely little coupon on me there...

MJohnston · 13-09-2013 8:56pm

Watching the last five minutes at work:

jamiedav2011 · 13-09-2013 8:56pm

P_1 wrote: »

Well Ulster have just killed a lovely little coupon on me there...

The opposite for me!
Ying and yang of gambling.

former legend · 13-09-2013 9:05pm

You are sh*tting me Ulster

shuffol · 13-09-2013 9:07pm

Tox56 wrote: »

This was farcical on an Ireland-Scotland 6 Nations level. How Ulster didn't even score a point with that possession is staggering. 2 dropped passes for walk in tries which would have been taken 99/100 (that's not an exaggeration), and a simple pen miss from a kicker who had nailed everything else that would have made it a 2 score game. Incredible

Not to mention getting held up over the line with a big overlap. P Marshall got outside of his man and you were just waiting for him to throw a dummy and glide through the gap but he opted to pass and the defence managed to drift across and cut out the space. 9/10 Marshall would've went himself and Ulster would've scored.

bilston · 13-09-2013 9:08pm

So frustrating.

No idea how that was lost.

.ak · 13-09-2013 9:12pm

Well, that's disappointing.

awec · 13-09-2013 10:55pm

Fcuk. :mad:

durkadurka · 13-09-2013 10:59pm

It's stuff like this that you look back on at the end of the season if you haven't made the playoffs.

awec · 13-09-2013 11:04pm

I have missed both our games this season, but I am nervous about this season.

Everyone will want our scalp this season.

thomond2006 · 14-09-2013 12:38am

Ulster's trip to Connacht next weekend will be very interesting indeed!

awec · 14-09-2013 11:32am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ulster's trip to Connacht next weekend will be very interesting indeed!

It's a must win for us now.

Swiwi. · 14-09-2013 12:00pm

awec wrote: »

I have missed both our games this season, but I am nervous about this season.

Everyone will want our scalp this season.

And so far it doesn't look like it will be too hard. This is not what I was expecting from Ulster. Hopefully the team can lift, a loss to Connacht would really put the cat among the pigeons.

bilston · 14-09-2013 12:22pm

Still missing Best, Afoa, Ferris, Pienaar, Olding, Wallace, Trimble, Bowe and Gilroy so all is not lost yet.

Our best 5 or 6 players are amongst that lot (Williams aside). I believe Glasgow were more or less at full strength last night.

Thats not an excuse, we still should have won, but it is still a factor.

Teferi · 14-09-2013 12:24pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ulster's trip to Connacht next weekend will be very interesting indeed!

Generally a tough nut to crack at home too!

Tox56 · 14-09-2013 12:29pm

bilston wrote: »

Still missing Best, Afoa, Ferris, Pienaar, Olding, Wallace, Trimble, Bowe and Gilroy so all is not lost yet.

Our best 5 or 6 players are amongst that lot (Williams aside). I believe Glasgow were more or less at full strength last night.

Thats not an excuse, we still should have won, but it is still a factor.

In fairness to Glasgow they were missing Horne, Kellock, Maitland, Matawalu and Weir. I don't think it mattered anyway tbh, Ulster lost that game rather than Glasgee winning it. Glasgow were poor last night and they still won, when they get a few of those players back (Matawalu mainly), and Hogg actually contributes (in open play), they'll be a serious side. Wouldn't put it past them to top the league.

Artful_Badger · 14-09-2013 12:31pm

Ulster did look good for a lot of the game though. Had those passes stuck for the missed try opportunities it would have been a romp. Crazy that they lost it but they weren't beaten off the pitch so I wouldn't be worried about the season off the back of that result

They need to start using Marshall for something other than crash balls though or he's gonna end up killing himself.

bilston · 14-09-2013 2:11pm

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Ulster did look good for a lot of the game though. Had those passes stuck for the missed try opportunities it would have been a romp. Crazy that they lost it but they weren't beaten off the pitch so I wouldn't be worried about the season off the back of that result

They need to start using Marshall for something other than crash balls though or he's gonna end up killing himself.

How did Marshall not hold onto Jackson's pop. He had the line at his mercy. I hope Olding plays next week somewhere in the midfield.

It was a much better performance by Jackson last night. Really good to see, of course he still missed a kick he should have got but overall he was one of our best players.

bilston · 14-09-2013 2:17pm

Tox56 wrote: »

In fairness to Glasgow they were missing Horne, Kellock, Maitland, Matawalu and Weir. I don't think it mattered anyway tbh, Ulster lost that game rather than Glasgee winning it. Glasgow were poor last night and they still won, when they get a few of those players back (Matawalu mainly), and Hogg actually contributes (in open play), they'll be a serious side. Wouldn't put it past them to top the league.

Fair enough had forgotten about Matawalu who is a big loss for them. I know you say Glasgow were poor and still won but if any one of Gilroy, Bowe or Trimble had been available Ulster would have won, I know it's easy to say that but one of them would have taken Allen's chance at the start of the second half.

Still we lost and 2 points from 2 games is a poor start. Lets also remember that as things stand we have no idea what the criteria for European qualification is for next season so we need to be very very careful.

awec · 14-09-2013 5:21pm

Just saw the highlights, how on earth did we drop those 2

launish116 · 14-09-2013 8:50pm

bilston wrote: »

I know you say Glasgow were poor and still won but if any one of Gilroy, Bowe or Trimble had been available Ulster would have won, I know it's easy to say that but one of them would have taken Allen's chance at the start of the second half.

Allen should of put that away o question, but i thought he had enormous work rate last night and is more physically than Gilroy

Still we lost and 2 points from 2 games is a poor start. Lets also remember that as things stand we have no idea what the criteria for European qualification is for next season so we need to be very very careful.

now you mention that, it does start to sound quite worrying especially with a trip to galway up next!

chupacabra · 15-09-2013 8:32am

Today is the anniversary of Nevin Spences passing. Its still a shock and I still find it creeping into my mind whenever I watch Ulster play. What a loss to this Island and to the world of sport. RIP.

Utah_Saint · 15-09-2013 11:30am

RIP to the 3 Spence men. Gone but never forgotten...

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