N21 Thread

Limerick74 · 10-03-2015 9:44am

I assume the consultation brochure and route options map will be available on the website some time today.

Chris_5339762 · 10-03-2015 6:14pm

Route options PDF is up on foyneslimerick.ie . All but one of the route corridors includes an Adare bypass, so at least the designers have seen the obvious just like we have.

Limerick74 · 13-03-2015 6:56pm

I see the foyneslimerick.ie website has been updated with an extended deadline for submissions to 10th April and higher resolution drawings from the public consultation.

marmurr1916 · 16-03-2015 5:59pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Route options PDF is up on foyneslimerick.ie . All but one of the route corridors includes an Adare bypass, so at least the designers have seen the obvious just like we have.

The second corridor is pretty similar to this:

marmurr1916 wrote: »

Do the TEN-T regulations require motorways or just high-quality port access routes?

The NRA could meet the requirements for Foynes by building a single-carriageway route at far less cost.

If a motorway (or even a 2+2 dual-carriageway) is going to be built, it would make sense to design the route in such a way that it serves both as a road from Limerick to Foynes as well as part of a road from Limerick to Kerry.

Building a completely new off-line road from the existing N21 west of Patrickswell to a point close to mid-way between Rathkeale and Askeaton, near to the R518, would satisfy that requirement.

There could then be a northwards spur towards Foynes, joining the existing N69 west of Askeaton, with a southwards spur towards Tralee, joining the existing N21 west of Rathkeale.

The most suitable route for the connection between the existing N21 west of Patrickswell to the R518 would be either to use to build on the railway line or build a road more-or-less parallel to the railway line.

This option is also available for the northwards spur towards Foynes.

marno21 · 01-05-2015 9:07pm

Today really showing how necessary it is for this road to be dualled from Adare to Abbeyfeale. 45 minute delay in Newcastlewest due to a 1km long realignment scheme, 30 minute delay in Adare, and 10 minute holdup in Abbeyfeale. Altogether 3 hours to do Castletroy -> Killarney (a little over 100km)

Mc Love · 03-05-2015 1:53pm

those roadworks in NCW were a joke!

road_high · 03-05-2015 8:20pm

marno21 wrote: »

Today really showing how necessary it is for this road to be dualled from Adare to Abbeyfeale. 45 minute delay in Newcastlewest due to a 1km long realignment scheme, 30 minute delay in Adare, and 10 minute holdup in Abbeyfeale. Altogether 3 hours to do Castletroy -> Killarney (a little over 100km)

Desperate road to make time on. Constant stream of dawdlers at 70ish kmph as well as all the holdups. Magnifies the isolation of Kerry from the rest of the country.

limklad · 04-05-2015 11:53am

marno21 wrote: »

Today really showing how necessary it is for this road to be dualled from Adare to Abbeyfeale. 45 minute delay in Newcastlewest due to a 1km long realignment scheme, 30 minute delay in Adare, and 10 minute holdup in Abbeyfeale. Altogether 3 hours to do Castletroy -> Killarney (a little over 100km)

Main bottle necks on N21 at rush hour are No.1: Adare, Number 2: Newcastle west, 3: Road works, 4:Abbeyfeale.

Take to following route. Especially if you are from South Kerry.

From Killarney, Take the N72 towards Mallow.
Take the Kanturk road on the R579. From Kanturk take the Charleville road on the R579/R578. In Charleville take the N20 to Patrickswell, From there you know the way to Castletroy.

It is the route, I take when I go to Killarney from Limerick for Match days during the summer when Limerick is playing in Killarney.

It saves a hell of a lot of time with traffic on the N21 slowing down travel.

If anyone reading this from North Kerry/Tralee/Abbeyfeale, Then I suggests to take the N69. It is slower than the N21 normally, but at peak traffic and road works, it is faster at slow pace.

Please, take care on these 2 routes.

Mc Love · 09-05-2015 10:40am

Was thinking of taking N69 the next time! Might be better for the summer months

lottpaul · 09-06-2015 12:29pm

Listened to a report on Radio na Gaeltachta today about a meeting between councillors from Kerry and the NRA. Mostly N86, N22 etc but also mentioned that the Adare bypass alone is years away - at best.

Disappointing, to put it mildly.

Just takes an incident like last weekends fire to show how vulnerable the N21 is to any disruption in Adare, Newcastlewest, Abbeyfeale etc but seems we'll all be travelling it for a long time to come.

Mc Love · 09-06-2015 2:04pm

What was said about the N86?

lottpaul · 09-06-2015 2:39pm

Mc Love wrote: »

What was said about the N86?

Nothing can be done until the court appeal is heard next month etc but finance is ready to be rolled out if the project gets a final go ahead

Grandeeod · 10-06-2015 12:19am

lottpaul wrote: »

Just takes an incident like last weekends fire to show how vulnerable the N21 is to any disruption in Adare, Newcastlewest, Abbeyfeale etc but seems we'll all be travelling it for a long time to come.

I did Killarney to Naas on Saturday night in 2 hours and 45 mins. Fire engines were still outside the cottage in Adare at 11.15pm. M20/M7 helps a lot. It's a decent route outside of peak hours, but it would be the opening of Kerry if Adare, NCW and Abbeyfeale were bypassed. That said, it's better than 20 years ago.

road_high · 12-06-2015 4:08pm

Grandeeod wrote: »

I did Killarney to Naas on Saturday night in 2 hours and 45 mins. Fire engines were still outside the cottage in Adare at 11.15pm. M20/M7 helps a lot. It's a decent route outside of peak hours, but it would be the opening of Kerry if Adare, NCW and Abbeyfeale were bypassed. That said, it's better than 20 years ago.

People would be more inclined to go to Kerry for a night away. As it stands it's just a hell of a track with Adare Etc still there and is off putting.

spacetweek · 25-06-2015 2:54pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Route options PDF is up on foyneslimerick.ie . All but one of the route corridors includes an Adare bypass, so at least the designers have seen the obvious just like we have.

Blue looks good to me - useful if approaching from the south, bypasses Adare, doubles as an N21 upgrade, and is nice and short.

They'd probably make all of it dual.

marno21 · 25-06-2015 4:20pm

Adare Bypass should be realistically D2M as it leads directly onto the M20, a motorway.

The Foynes - N21 section should be 2+2

Grandeeod · 28-06-2015 3:55am

road_high wrote: »

People would be more inclined to go to Kerry for a night away. As it stands it's just a hell of a track with Adare Etc still there and is off putting.

Left Tralee at 11pm last night. Reached Naas, Co. Kildare at 1.20am via the N21. I travelled at roughly 20kph over the speed limit where possible. Obviously I had no traffic to deal with. Only had one "delay" with a very unsure driver approaching Adare. That was the return journey. The journey down on a Saturday morning took 3 hours. My own experiences of this route are as I've already stated. Take out Adare, NCW and Abbeyfeale and within the speed limit, Kerry will not be so off putting. Adare is the main problem with its link to the M20 project. But the waters are being further middied via the Foynes scheme.

spacetweek · 29-06-2015 12:29pm

Grandeeod wrote: »

Adare is the main problem with its link to the M20 project. But the waters are being further middied via the Foynes scheme.

True, it's now clear that the Adare bypass won't be done with M20 as was the original aim - now it's tied to Foynes.
This could be a good thing for Adare though since the M20 seems dead.

road_high · 01-07-2015 11:48pm

spacetweek wrote: »

True, it's now clear that the Adare bypass won't be done with M20 as was the original aim - now it's tied to Foynes.
This could be a good thing for Adare though since the M20 seems dead.

It'll take donkeys years for all this to happen. Will Adare get a bypass by 2025? This is truly appalling given the level of congestion here. Absolutely every effort should have been made to fast track this but not in this country!

Cookiemunster · 02-07-2015 9:22am

road_high wrote: »

It'll take donkeys years for all this to happen. Will Adare get a bypass by 2025? This is truly appalling given the level of congestion here. Absolutely every effort should have been made to fast track this but not in this country!

The route selection for the Foynes route is already underway and the road is being funded by the EU under the T10 program. It will be under construction well before 2025.

spacetweek · 02-07-2015 11:26am

road_high wrote: »

It'll take donkeys years for all this to happen. Will Adare get a bypass by 2025?

It is looking like it will be fast-tracked.

Axel Lamp · 02-07-2015 4:13pm

spacetweek wrote: »

It is looking like it will be fast-tracked.

Source????

Grandeeod · 02-07-2015 5:37pm

Was it really necessary to plan a completely new N21 alignment for the bypasses of Abbeyfeale and NCW? Surely individual bypasses of these towns tied into the existing N21 is adequate?

road_high · 02-07-2015 7:54pm

spacetweek wrote: »

It is looking like it will be fast-tracked.

Would Ya stop, how many decades have they been taking about this?! From the other side of the country so not overly familiar, but times I have passed through the congestion has been chronic. Some of the worst still existing in the country.

pajoguy · 02-07-2015 10:22pm

road_high wrote: »

Would Ya stop, how many decades have they been taking about this?! From the other side of the country so not overly familiar, but times I have passed through the congestion has been chronic. Some of the worst still existing in the country.

The limerick to foynes project will be "fast tracked" or prioritised may be more appropriate.It will be ready for construction by 2017 or 2018 at latest. Surley they will select one of the routes with an adare bypass.

spacetweek · 03-07-2015 12:38pm

road_high wrote: »

Would Ya stop, how many decades have they been taking about this?!

Throughout those decades, it wasn't eligible for EU funding. Now it is.

pigtown · 03-07-2015 11:08pm

If Ireland secures the 2023 rugby world cup it's likely that Killarney will be a venue, and then a bypass would be a must.

spacetweek · 06-07-2015 8:15pm

It's interesting that none of their proposed routes for the Foynes road actually connect to the N69 junction on the Limerick ring road.

Cookiemunster · 06-07-2015 8:43pm

spacetweek wrote: »

It's interesting that none of their proposed routes for the Foynes road actually connect to the N69 junction on the Limerick ring road.

The junction is a dumb bell junction on the already crazily busy Dock Road. By joining the N21/M20 it routes into the freeflow M7/N18/M20 junction.

marno21 · 06-07-2015 10:39pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The junction is a dumb bell junction mess on the already crazily busy Dock Road. By joining the N21/M20 it routes into the freeflow M7/N18/M20 junction.

This would be much better leading onto the M20. Any traffic that can be removed from the N18/N69 junction is a major positive.

Only reason I'd link this road into the Dock Road junction would be if it was upgraded to freeflow, but knowing the NRA they would try to achieve the Guinness World Record for the world's largest signalised rounadbout.

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