Boating chit chat thread.

Steve · 12-08-2020 1:46pm

Squib nationals are still going ahead from what I've heard.

Found this 40 year old gem recently..

neris · 12-08-2020 1:49pm

Steve wrote: »

Squib nationals are still going ahead from what I've heard.

Found this 40 year old gem recently..

Squibs this weekend and the J24s have a 3 day championship at start of September.

Are you out for the Isora race on Friday night?

Steve · 12-08-2020 1:53pm

neris wrote: »

Are you out for the Isora race on Friday night?

Would like to but we decided on only doing the coastals.

neris · 13-08-2020 12:45pm

Paddleboarders in Galway found clinging to a lobster pot. Swimmer off Sutton/Baldoyle found clinging to a mooring buoy over the weekend

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0813/1158928-galway/

Daibheid · 13-08-2020 12:53pm

Not the outcome I was expecting thankfully!
Very lucky indeed.
Is it just me thinks Paddle boards are a recipe for disaster in Irish waters outside of totally sheltered no tidal locations?
They have virtually no power and extremely prone to wind or tide and users aren't big on basics like buoyancy jackets let alone Comms gear.

neris wrote: »

Paddleboarders in Galway found clinging to a lobster pot. Swimmer off Sutton/Baldoyle found clinging to a mooring buoy over the weekend

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0813/1158928-galway/

Ferris · 14-08-2020 1:14pm

Daibheid wrote: »

Not the outcome I was expecting thankfully!
Very lucky indeed.
Is it just me thinks Paddle boards are a recipe for disaster in Irish waters outside of totally sheltered no tidal locations?
They have virtually no power and extremely prone to wind or tide and users aren't big on basics like buoyancy jackets let alone Comms gear.

Very relieved at the outcome, I thought they were gonners. Also impressed by the skill and knowledge of the lads who found them.

I see them out (actually would love to give them a try) but am also surprised by the lack of basic safety precautions. No anchor principally! I think there needs to be a code of practice issued by some governing body (ISA, Coasgguard, etc.) to inform new users about their personal responsibilities.

neris · 14-08-2020 2:33pm

Malahide regatta next weekend becomes another victim of covid19.

HeidiHeidi · 14-08-2020 2:44pm

Ferris wrote: »

Very relieved at the outcome, I thought they were gonners. Also impressed by the skill and knowledge of the lads who found them.

I see them out (actually would love to give them a try) but am also surprised by the lack of basic safety precautions. No anchor principally! I think there needs to be a code of practice issued by some governing body (ISA, Coasgguard, etc.) to inform new users about their personal responsibilities.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/rnli-dun-laoghaire-lifeboat-station/stand-up-paddleboarding-safety-advice-from-dun-laoghaire-rnli/10158465261039754/

Very good response to the incident put out on FB by Dun Laoghaire RNLI

Ferris · 14-08-2020 3:11pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/notes/rnli-dun-laoghaire-lifeboat-station/stand-up-paddleboarding-safety-advice-from-dun-laoghaire-rnli/10158465261039754/

Very good response to the incident put out on FB by Dun Laoghaire RNLI

Looks good, kudos to DL RNLI. Personally I would have recommended anchors but everything else is sound advice. Maybe I’m being pedantic can get 1 or 2 kg anchors that would slow or stop a drifting paddle board or Kayak. I would also have a h/h VHF or a PLB if I was going out on a large body of water.

HeidiHeidi · 14-08-2020 3:22pm

Ferris wrote: »

Looks good, kudos to DL RNLI. Personally I would have recommended anchors but everything else is sound advice. Maybe I’m being pedantic can get 1 or 2 kg anchors that would slow or stop a drifting paddle board or Kayak. I would also have a h/h VHF or a PLB if I was going out on a large body of water.

I think the problem largely is that a lot of inexperienced people only expect to paddle close to shore, and shure what's the probem?? - it never even crosses their mind that they might drift or get blown miles away, so they don't even consider that sort of safety equipment.

Rather similar to the hundreds who have to be rescued on lilos and inflatable swans and the like from beaches all around here and the UK every year.

(These girls in Galway seem to have been very water-savvy, and well-experienced, so I'm not casting aspersions on them in any way - they seem to have done all the right things, tied themselves to their boards and each other, conserved energy, wearing PFDs - but it just goes to prove that the best of us can get caught out by the sea/weather)

Steve · 15-08-2020 1:28am

Glad I'm not there...

HeidiHeidi · 15-08-2020 9:58am

Steve wrote: »

Glad I'm not there...

3 of them still out there at 10am!

neris · 16-08-2020 2:11pm

Was a long slow drift which wasn't helped by a heavy fog on Saturday morning.

neris · 18-08-2020 9:43pm

Another one bites the dust, Laser nationals in Royal Cork have been cancelled now with the new restrictions

42inchchest · 18-08-2020 10:00pm

If you have a boat on a swinging mooring, would you take it in on an Orange warning? Debating whether to take it in or leave it out for Storm Ellen-its a bit of a spin down!

HeidiHeidi · 18-08-2020 10:50pm

42inchchest wrote: »

If you have a boat on a swinging mooring, would you take it in on an Orange warning? Debating whether to take it in or leave it out for Storm Ellen-its a bit of a spin down!

Where is the mooring?

All depends on how sheltered the location is, our boat survived all sorts of batterings in DL Harbour over the years.

Steve · 18-08-2020 11:41pm

https://www.windy.com/?2020-08-20-00,52.978,-6.240,7

Looks like it'll hit south coast late Wednesday, Irish sea on Thursday.

As Heidi said, depends on your location and if it's exposed in southerly winds. How big a boat? Power / sail? how easy to lift?

42inchchest · 19-08-2020 12:14am

Bantry Bay. I made the trip down - id only be stalking the weather threads all day tomorrow worrying about it. Ill take it out early tomorrow- its easy enough-16ft motor boat. Would have been easier to leave it in thoughðŸ˜. Just seems early for a big storm. If one comes at the end of September its an easy decision to take it out for winter. This early I would hope to put it back in and get another trip or two. ThanksðŸ‘

neris · 20-08-2020 9:19am

Rte news reporter on radio earlier saying 4 boats broke moorings down near cobh and damage done to the new marina

Daibheid · 20-08-2020 10:47am

42inchchest wrote: »

Bantry Bay. I made the trip down - id only be stalking the weather threads all day tomorrow worrying about it. Ill take it out early tomorrow- its easy enough-16ft motor boat. Would have been easier to leave it in though

Part of owning a boat that's it's rather the rest option works.
Down here that sort of weather is capable of doing damage even in sheltered locations. A 100mph gust if wind doesn't evaporate hitting land, Lee shores or harbour breakwaters and piers. Swells driven by deep depressions and huge winds build a momentum and frequency that will drive into the most sheltered spots and when you add in the current high tides, they'll penetrate even further. You probably have another option down there which is to move in to Bantrys marina for the duration.
Also make sure you know what your mooring is made of and that it's all been checked. Even chain can be worn away in a few short years in that area.

Daibheid · 20-08-2020 11:01am

Heard Rescue116 flying low I over Dunmanus yesterday evening just as the barometer started to drop and visibility went with it as the rain came in. So figuring he wouldn't be heading south unless on a mission tuned in. Briefly someone triggered an EPIRB or a PLB in the Schull /Cape Clear / Baltimore area. A host of assets, RNLI, Schulls ,RIB, LE Samuel Beckett, Cape Ferry and R116 spent hours searching for the source. They motored up to boats, put parties on islands to check with campers, etc, etc. Stood down unsuccessful but fairly certain no one was in real difficultly.
I think it had to be an EPIRB as R116 was trying to home in on it whereas a PLB transmits GPS.

Last week I was heading for Dursey across Bantry Bay and heard an exasperated Mizzen VHF operator pleading for whomever had the open mike for the last three hours to sort it. It's all a bit of a reminder to check our safety gear occasionally to ensure we're not causing problems and potentially inhibiting support or receipt of a genuine distress call. Stay safe folks - in all senses of the word.

neris · 20-08-2020 11:09am

I think they came to the conclusion that the epirb may have been inside a boat and dislodged from its holder. We were Isora racing off dublin weekend before last and Holyhead coastguard seemed to be constantly on the radio dealing with lifeboats and helicopter, one call included the coastguard person asking a mayday call not to use that language again on CH16, duno what was said but they were pretty firm in their tone

Daibheid · 20-08-2020 11:28am

neris wrote: »

one call included the coastguard person asking a mayday call not to use that language again on CH16, duno what was said but they were pretty firm in their tone

The UK Coastguard are rigid about radio abuse and will call out any misuse of channels, rambling conversations, etc on the emergency channels. They have to because of the sheer volume. A rebuke during a MayDay call strongly suggests some Muppet who'd run out of fuel on a calm day was bitching his free tow didn't arrive fast enough. I'm sure allowance would be made for someone in genuine distress.

AndyBoBandy · 20-08-2020 11:33am

neris wrote: »

one call included the coastguard person asking a mayday call not to use that language again on CH16, duno what was said but they were pretty firm in their tone

I can only imagine the amount of 'amateurs' that the various coast guards have to deal with on VHF, whether it's in an actual Mayday situation, or just idiots blocking various channels.
Last year we were in Dun Laoghaire, and all you could hear on CH16 was the lads fishing down around Dalkey Island asking "anyone gettin any mackerel out there?"

neris · 20-08-2020 11:37am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I can only imagine the amount of 'amateurs' that the various coast guards have to deal with on VHF, whether it's in an actual Mayday situation, or just idiots blocking various channels.
Last year we were in Dun Laoghaire, and all you could hear on CH16 was the lads fishing down around Dalkey Island asking "anyone gettin any mackerel out there?"

had 2 of them on Saturday morning crossing the bay "are you bleedin talkin to me or wha", did also have one of the Stenas inbound telling a flotilla out of Howth to keep doing what they were doing and he,d a gap between them and was going through it at which stage half of them did a U turn. Though best one was years ago the aul one in the DBSC starters hut on a saturday afternoon loosing her rag because 2 boats were having a conversation on the channel they used for racing and she was adamant that the channel belonged to DBSC

Ferris · 20-08-2020 5:26pm

neris wrote: »

had 2 of them on Saturday morning crossing the bay "are you bleedin talkin to me or wha", did also have one of the Stenas inbound telling a flotilla out of Howth to keep doing what they were doing and he,d a gap between them and was going through it at which stage half of them did a U turn. Though best one was years ago the aul one in the DBSC starters hut on a saturday afternoon loosing her rag because 2 boats were having a conversation on the channel they used for racing and she was adamant that the channel belonged to DBSC

You can reserve / own channels I thought. HYC used to have Ch45&46 for mark laying

AndyBoBandy · 20-08-2020 6:19pm

I always understood it that a club could certainly use/designate a working channel for their racing/rescue/coordinating etc..... but it was never ownership of the channel in question.

Ferris · 21-08-2020 12:04am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I always understood it that a club could certainly use/designate a working channel for their racing/rescue/coordinating etc..... but it was never ownership of the channel in question.

I don’t know, I can remember them complaining about Stena using those channels for ship coms and it getting upheld.

AndyBoBandy · 23-08-2020 2:33pm

At least Storm Ellen has blown the windex tails back around to a more normal position!! (They’d been sitting at 90 degrees for a few months now....) still a few degrees off though!

Steve · 23-08-2020 7:07pm

Time to test out your vertigo Andy!

AndyBoBandy · 23-08-2020 7:45pm

Steve wrote: »

Time to test out your vertigo Andy!

No issues with Vertigo, but have an issue about testing the SWL of the Mast/Main Halyard...........

neris · 23-08-2020 8:48pm

There's easy ways to get to cork and sailing via fastnet isn't one. Pounded down the Irish sea yesterday and same again today along the south coast. Still a bit to go before getting to fastnet and its winds gone to crap and rain is starting.

AndyBoBandy · 23-08-2020 8:56pm

I see that Polish boat, More Mischief getting very close to the entrance to Cork harbour, and thinking if I was on board, I’d be inclined to get straight in and be done with it.

And there’s a hell of a blow coming in tomorrow night/Tuesday, so Cork won’t be a fun place to be after a 2/3 day race.(although at least it’s blowing the right direction for anyone brave enough to head back to Dublin in it....)

Steve · 23-08-2020 10:19pm

https://afloat.ie/safety/lifeboats/item/47400-red-alert-dunmore-east-rnli-assist-dismasted-fastnet-450-race-yacht-36-miles-offshore

Red Alert dismasted and towed to Dunmore East by RNLI.

neris · 24-08-2020 9:51am

Steve wrote: »

https://afloat.ie/safety/lifeboats/item/47400-red-alert-dunmore-east-rnli-assist-dismasted-fastnet-450-race-yacht-36-miles-offshore

Red Alert dismasted and towed to Dunmore East by RNLI.

The offshore sailing school boat was assisting them, been a few retirals.

Light this morning

W1ll1s · 24-08-2020 1:04pm

Heavy weather on the way...

https://yb.tl/rbandi_2020

neris · 15-09-2020 9:35pm

This sounds like stupidity on the part of the yacht. When you see the big tanker that manouveres like a tanker coming near you it's get the **** out of the way time and not assume everything's going to be grand

https://afloat.ie/safety/mcib/item/47679-airline-pilots-on-yacht-which-collided-with-tanker-off-greystones

Daibheid · 16-09-2020 1:39am

Irresponsible morons. Under engine with s much bigger commercial vessel obviously closing at speed and they persist in trying to cross in front of him at a shallow angle - at night. They were making nearly 8 knots so a minor alteration of course to port would have either dramatically reduced the chance of collision while a swing to starboard and they'd have crossed quickly. Either action would have made their intentions crystal clear.
Even under sail I'd have expected decisive action as above.
The real amazing thing is they weren't driven under and killed or drowned. It sure wasn't for lack of trying. I feel really sorry for the tanker Captain getting dragged into a mess like that when he's trying to earn a living and it'll probably have long term implications for him.

AndyBoBandy · 16-09-2020 8:21am

^^ and if in doubt, be listening on channel 16, or better still, make the call and establish communication.. (the yacht crew that is)

Tabnabs · 16-09-2020 9:43am

Those pilots don't come out well in that report, their answers at the end aren't too reassuring either. It comes down to the COLREGs; knowing them, understanding them and applying them.

Tabnabs · 16-09-2020 9:44am

But also, :pac:

AndyBoBandy · 16-09-2020 9:51am

Tabnabs wrote: »

Those pilots don't come out well in that report, their answers at the end aren't too reassuring either. It comes down to the COLREGs; knowing them, understanding them and applying them.

There was definitely a hint of "We're Airline pilots, so of course we know about navigation, and COLREGS" about them alright....

Sofa King Great · 17-09-2020 12:37pm

What are people's thoughts on what happens if Dublin goes to stage three? No word from ISA on whether events can proceed (thinking of the Kish race on sunday)

HeidiHeidi · 17-09-2020 12:42pm

Sofa King Great wrote: »

What are people's thoughts on what happens if Dublin goes to stage three? No word from ISA on whether events can proceed (thinking of the Kish race on sunday)

Yeah, we're all wondering about that as well - and we're at a VERY critical stage in the DBSC Saturdays!

I'm hoping that since sailing is out of sight, and outdoors in very fresh air, we might slip under the radar and get the last few weeks in.....

There was an email or post somewhere from IS the other day saying they were examining the new roadmap and would come out with an interpretation in due course - I'd imagine they'll be out with a statement once the Govt decides what they're doing with Dublin later today.

ETA it was a FB post, can't copy and paste the link though

HeidiHeidi · 17-09-2020 1:15pm

https://afloat.ie/resources/news-update/item/47703-several-dublin-bay-weekend-sailing-events-await-guidance-over-looming-level-3-restrictions?fbclid=IwAR1Lt4EyATUH9XbJISdOsNKBmjyMVMJr2YBqlVyihf_xz_xQhT9FvyPIJWw

neris · 17-09-2020 1:30pm

What's the cruiser 3 championship referred to in the article? Is that just dbsc class 3?

HeidiHeidi · 17-09-2020 1:31pm

neris wrote: »

What's the cruiser 3 championship referred to in the article? Is that just dbsc class 3?

Prob the East Coast C3 - they've asked to be allowed to use Saturdays DBSC race and Sunday's Kish race as their championships.

neris · 17-09-2020 2:18pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Prob the East Coast C3 - they've asked to be allowed to use Saturdays DBSC race and Sunday's Kish race as their championships.

East coasts haven't been run for years been no mention of it to us

HeidiHeidi · 17-09-2020 2:19pm

neris wrote: »

East coasts haven't been run for years been no mention of it to us

That was just a guess. Maybe it's just DL then. I'm out of C3 the last few years.

But I did see somewhere about the DBSC/Kish combo for a championships.

HeidiHeidi · 17-09-2020 8:26pm

https://www.sailing.ie/News/id/2860/sailing-with-covid-plan

Update from Irish Sailing.

Basically, no new events, but whatever is already under way can be finished out. So DBSC looks to be OK for the moment anyway.

Hard to know where the Kish Race will fall.... maybe the fact that it's part of a C3 championship might save it. Or not......

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