Dublin Airport New Routes 2016

Avada · 03-09-2015 12:36pm

Pat Dunne wrote: »

DUB/AMS starting October 27th, now that sounds like a plan.

On sale as well, from €10 at launch.

Locker10a · 03-09-2015 12:54pm

Pat Dunne wrote: »

DUB/AMS starting October 27th, now that sounds like a plan.

I wonder will FR schedule a longer turn around they will never do 25 mins in AMS ! The taxi alone is 20 mins !
EasyJet for example do it in 40-45 mins and still struggle

Idbatterim · 03-09-2015 12:54pm

did a quick check, currently all flights on 27th and 28th are E20 return fare with ryanair. Aer Lingus cheapest return is E82 and E98 most expensive. that is flying out on 27th October and back on 28th. I cant see the non budget carriers pleased at Ryanair coming into a major european hub! Would be good for Dutch tourist industry though...

weisses · 03-09-2015 1:04pm

9 flights going from Dublin to Amsterdam daily

A bit overkill .. Would rather have seen they served Cork or Shannon

03-09-2015 1:13pm

weisses wrote: »

9 flights going from Dublin to Amsterdam daily

A bit overkill .. Would rather have seen they served Cork or Shannon

Limited market from Shannon and Cork, plus you can't make much impact with one flight a day each way. That's why they will have choosen their first routes carefully and decided these two will do some business for us especially with a decent frequency.

LXFlyer · 03-09-2015 1:26pm

weisses wrote: »

9 flights going from Dublin to Amsterdam daily

A bit overkill .. Would rather have seen they served Cork or Shannon

Where are you getting nine daily flights from?

It's only four daily.

LXFlyer · 03-09-2015 1:29pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

did a quick check, currently all flights on 27th and 28th are E20 return fare with ryanair. Aer Lingus cheapest return is E82 and E98 most expensive. that is flying out on 27th October and back on 28th. I cant see the non budget carriers pleased at Ryanair coming into a major european hub! Would be good for Dutch tourist industry though...

I would imagine that the vast majority of people using Amsterdam as a hub airport are using through ticketing for their onward flights - that's not possible using Ryanair.

This will appeal to point-to-point traffic.

smurfjed · 03-09-2015 1:29pm

Aer Lingus has 5 daily flights

weisses · 03-09-2015 1:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Limited market from Shannon and Cork, plus you can't make much impact with one flight a day each way. That's why they will have choosen their first routes carefully and decided these two will do some business for us especially with a decent frequency.

Cork has two EI flights daily which are well occupied I found

My point is that 5x daily with EI is already a decent frequency imo

But they probably had their maths done

LXFlyer · 03-09-2015 2:02pm

weisses wrote: »

Cork has two EI flights daily which are well occupied I found

My point is that 5x daily with EI is already a decent frequency imo

But they probably had their maths done

Sorry - thought you just meant Ryanair.

Yes, I'd wonder if there is that much point-to-point traffic?

Hub traffic would account for a reasonable share of the route.

737max · 03-09-2015 2:05pm

According to the press release it amounts to over one million passengers.

will deliver 11.75m customers p.a. (+1.1m) and support 8,800* jobs, as Ryanair grows by 15% at Dublin Airport.

This is good news for the Airport, Dublin and Ireland. Perhaps not 8,800 jobs but all delivered from the same terminals and runways which already exist without the airport operator adding additional infrastructure or taking on more debt.

IngazZagni · 03-09-2015 2:36pm

Locker10a wrote: »

I wonder will FR schedule a longer turn around they will never do 25 mins in AMS ! The taxi alone is 20 mins !
EasyJet for example do it in 40-45 mins and still struggle

Easyjet schedule 25-30 minute turnarounds at AMS generally. Taxi time is included in flight block times or at least should be. AMS has a dedicated low cost pier which Ryanair will no doubt use. Unlike somewhere like Madrid where Ryanair schedule 35 minute turnaround times ( due to air bridges) and often have 20 minute taxi times too.

I think this will make a huge dent on Aer Lingus's yield on the AMS route. A huge amount of pax on this route are price sensitive. Equally this may damage Ryanairs Eindhoven route as many people used this as a low cost way of connecting to Amsterdam.

I was expecting more than 1 new route from FR but a 15% or over 1 million pax increase is not too shabby.

Tenger · 03-09-2015 3:10pm

737max wrote: »

According to the press release it amounts to over one million passengers.
This is good news for the Airport, Dublin and Ireland. Perhaps not 8,800 jobs but all delivered from the same terminals and runways which already exist without the airport operator adding additional infrastructure or taking on more debt.

This is of course a Ryanair press release, there is no guarantee on actuall numbers of extra capacity being delivered. In addition this is a capacity increase of over 1 million pax onto an already stretched airport terminal, ramp area and runway.

Just being a devils advocate. Growth is growth.
But I do also question the figure of 8800 jobs....

737max · 03-09-2015 3:13pm

A few more million passengers from these type of routes from low cost carriers like Aer Lingus and Ryanair and you can start justifying the following sort things:
More independent parking lots around the airport pushing parking prices down.
More bus routes from the airport through more of the day.
metro links to the city centre.

What was marginally viable becomes realistic.

737max · 03-09-2015 3:16pm

Tenger wrote: »

This is of course a Ryanair press release, there is no guarantee on actuall numbers of extra capacity being delivered. In addition this is a capacity increase of over 1 million pax onto an already stretched airport terminal, ramp area and runway.

Just being a devils advocate. Growth is growth.
But I do also question the figure of 8800 jobs....

You are being pessimistic.
Ryanair have announced 95% load factor today.

Idbatterim · 03-09-2015 5:00pm

More independent parking lots around the airport pushing parking prices down.

I agree with all of your points, but as a frequent user of quickpark mainly, the carpark rates at Dublin at least off the airport, are very cheap. I frequently book one week in quickpark for E23, how much cheaper can it get... Compared to Leeds bradford a tiny airport that I fly into, where parking is extortionate in comparison...

Locker10a · 03-09-2015 5:08pm

737max wrote: »

You are being pessimistic.
Ryanair have announced 95% load factor today.

I'm sorry but Id still love to see how this would amount to 8800 jobs ......

Chris_5339762 · 03-09-2015 5:19pm

Thanks to this thread for keeping me updated on Ryanairs announcement today, I snagged a day-trip to Amsterdam to meet a friend for €20

LXFlyer · 03-09-2015 5:26pm

Locker10a wrote: »

I'm sorry but Id still love to see how this would amount to 8800 jobs ......

I would assume presumably they are saying that the addition of extra flights will help support the continuation of all the jobs in the airports - be they retail or directly aviation related rather than creating that number of jobs?

Noxegon · 03-09-2015 6:02pm

Nice to see some competition on the AMS route.

I had to get to Eindhoven earlier this year.

Booking about eight weeks out, EI into AMS was ~€400.

I ended up flying into DUS which was half the price.

L1011 · 03-09-2015 6:57pm

Noxegon wrote: »

Nice to see some competition on the AMS route.

I had to get to Eindhoven earlier this year.

Booking about eight weeks out, EI into AMS was ~€400.

I ended up flying into DUS which was half the price.

There is an airport *in* Eindhoven though

It was usually the cheaper option (if you could afford the time) for Amsterdam

Jamie2k9 · 03-09-2015 7:27pm

But I do also question the figure of 8800 jobs....

It's based on an old calculation done by ACL years ago, since then staff numbers have been cut to the bone while IT has enhanced operators and so on.

Noxegon · 04-09-2015 6:19am

L1011 wrote: »

There is an airport *in* Eindhoven though

Yeah, but the times didn't work for what I needed.

APM · 04-09-2015 7:56am

smurfjed wrote: »

Does Aer Lingus have any aircraft that can operated HKG-DUB (5318 NGMS) against the prevailing winds?

Delta do HKG to SEA 6500NM with an A330-200. Not sure what sort of MTOW DAL and EI have on their 330's though but having departed HKG behind that flight, it uses up a LOT of runway and really struggles to make the climb restrictions by the HKG FIR boundary.

http://weekendblitz.com/top-12-longest-non-stop-delta-flights-world/

If CX do Dublin it will most likely be with the A350 and certainly not daily initially.

lufties · 04-09-2015 8:07am

APM wrote: »

Delta do HKG to SEA 6500NM with an A330-200. Not sure what sort of MTOW DAL and EI have on their 330's though but having departed HKG behind that flight, it uses up a LOT of runway and really struggles to make the climb restrictions by the HKG FIR boundary.

http://weekendblitz.com/top-12-longest-non-stop-delta-flights-world/

If CX do Dublin it will most likely be with the A350 and certainly not daily initially.

Or the Boeing 777, not sure if the A350 has been enterred into service yet.

APM · 04-09-2015 8:54am

lufties wrote: »

Or the Boeing 777, not sure if the A350 has been enterred into service yet.

The 350 will in service by the time they start Dublin if they ever do.

First aircraft delivery is February, the first A350 simulator and IPT have already been installed in CX City (head office).
http://www.ausbt.com.au/behind-the-scenes-of-cathay-pacific-s-airbus-a350-countdown

lufties · 04-09-2015 9:01am

APM wrote: »

The 350 will in service by the time they start Dublin if they ever do.

First aircraft delivery is February, the first A350 simulator and IPT have already been installed in CX City (head office).
http://www.ausbt.com.au/behind-the-scenes-of-cathay-pacific-s-airbus-a350-countdown

You obviously work for them

Tenger · 04-09-2015 2:02pm

lufties wrote: »

You obviously work for them

Dont need to work for a company to find updates on their expansion/network/fleet change on the internet

lufties · 04-09-2015 2:06pm

Tenger wrote: »

Dont need to work for a company to find updates on their expansion/network/fleet change on the internet

very true, but to be fair..i'd wager that if someone knows that a sim has been installed in a head office, they more than likely work for the airline.

L1011 · 04-09-2015 2:08pm

lufties wrote: »

very true, but to be fair..i'd wager that if someone knows that a sim has been installed in a head office, they more than likely work for the airline.

Or read the article they linked.

Jamie2k9 · 06-09-2015 5:56pm

As the 2015 one is closed, DL upgrade JFK to A333 from 2 November, previously planned but changed and now changed again.

Some very good fares for anybody planning to JFK, EI will need to cut fast!

06-09-2015 6:50pm

Checked a few flights last week for departure next day and surprised to find JFK for sub €500 with anyone bar Aer Lingus even with a stopover somewhere, EI were €800 for JFK and BOS. I checked Montreal and could do that for €398 which is a crazy fare for last minute.

WheatenBriar · 06-09-2015 9:32pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

As the 2015 one is closed, DL upgrade JFK to A333 from 2 November, previously planned but changed and now changed again.

Some very good fares for anybody planning to JFK, EI will need to cut fast!

Aye plenty J fares to jfk around too using EI connecting to virgin at the moment up to €500 cheaper than EI direct
You're connecting in lgw but you get the excellent clubhouse

basill · 07-09-2015 9:12am

Checked a few flights last week for departure next day and surprised to find JFK for sub €500 with anyone bar Aer Lingus even with a stopover somewhere, EI were €800 for JFK and BOS. I checked Montreal and could do that for €398 which is a crazy fare for last minute

You have just illustrated that the EI loads are through the roof and hence only a few seats left so there will obviously be no discounts. This is a good thing.

Blut2 · 07-09-2015 10:58am

basill wrote: »

You have just illustrated that the EI loads are through the roof and hence only a few seats left so there will obviously be no discounts. This is a good thing.

Is there any reason why EI loads on the JFK route are so much higher than their competitors? I did a quick check for some dates in October and EI are consistently 100e+ more expensive than even other direct flights, nevermind ones with a stopover.

There can't be that many older Irish people booking EI flights without checking flight comparison tools surely? It isn't like EI's FF program is known especially for rewarding loyalty, either.

Noxegon · 07-09-2015 11:02am

Comfort? I'll take a 330 over a 757 any day of the week...

Tenger · 07-09-2015 12:20pm

Blut2 wrote: »

...........I did a quick check for some dates in October and EI are consistently 100e+ more expensive than even other direct flights, nevermind ones with a stopover........

An recognised feature of airline pricing is that some carriers will charge more to their home market than to other...(sort of like bansk with their introductory offers t new custmers).....did you look at JFK-DUB-JFK with a mix of carriers...perhaps the US airlines are dearer ex-USA.

munchkin_utd · 07-09-2015 12:41pm

Tenger wrote: »

An recognised feature of airline pricing is that some carriers will charge more to their home market than to other...(sort of like bansk with their introductory offers t new custmers).....did you look at JFK-DUB-JFK with a mix of carriers...perhaps the US airlines are dearer ex-USA.

I've also seen some airlines charging a premium for direct flights over connections , obviously exploiting the market for folks who are prepared to pay for convienence.
(or is it that carriers requiring connections discount the fares to attract customers away from the direct flight - hard to judge)

eatmyshorts · 07-09-2015 1:03pm

Blut2 wrote: »

There can't be that many older Irish people booking EI flights without checking flight comparison tools surely? It isn't like EI's FF program is known especially for rewarding loyalty, either.

Not everyone books flights based solely on the price.

markpb · 07-09-2015 1:26pm

Blut2 wrote: »

There can't be that many older Irish people booking EI flights without checking flight comparison tools surely? It isn't like EI's FF program is known especially for rewarding loyalty, either.

Any time I've flown with an american airline, I've been let down somehow. In the last few flights on various carriers, there was no vegetarian option (at all!), completely broken IFE at my seat, no IFE for the first 2h anywhere on the plane on another flight and on one particular occasion when I missed my connection at Chicago:
* a 24h wait for the next flight because they made no effort to re-route me
* offered no assistance finding overnight accommodation
* offered no refund for my delay
* a 3h delay while they tried to find my luggage for me and ended up leaving them unattended in a public area
* a 6h delay leaving the next day because they "lost" (their words, not mind) the incoming flight
and a host of other problems. I've not done a lot of transatlantic flights but they're consistent in their poor customer service, especially when something has gone wrong and needs to be rectified. Even when things are going okay, the staff are barely polite.

If I'm flying by myself (i.e. without my family) and am price sensitive, I'll fly with an american airline. For anything else, I'll fly Aer Lingus. If I'm not in a rush and want a better level of service, I'll fly BA or Virgin via the UK.

Locker10a · 07-09-2015 1:39pm

eatmyshorts wrote: »

Not everyone books flights based solely on the price.

Yep and I'm one of those people.....
No.1 on the list - convenience

Blut2 · 07-09-2015 2:05pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Yep and I'm one of those people.....
No.1 on the list - convenience

For the DUB > JFK direct route though AA and Delta also offer direct flights, but appear to be at a much cheaper price point than EI.

@Tenger flights routing JFK > DUB also seem to have EI priced much higher currently than their competitors (both direct, and connecting).

@markpb my own personal experience would rank Delta at about the same level as EI. I think generally they're regarded as in or about the same level, in economy at least - both 3* on Skytrax for example.

There doesn't seem to be an obvious answer to me as to why EI loads are so high, I'd be curious as to what someone with more in-depth knowledge might know.

munchkin_utd · 07-09-2015 3:42pm

Blut2 wrote: »

<snip>
There doesn't seem to be an obvious answer to me as to why EI loads are so high, I'd be curious as to what someone with more in-depth knowledge might know.

maybe its because they have 2 flights per day rather than one.

I was chatting with someone working in a certain US multinational who has been to Germany a few times recently and they choose flying to Munich rather than Stuttgart (for a location nearer Stuttgart) as theres 2 flights daily rather than 1, so theres a flexibility to go back early (or stay a little later) if needs be.

Maybe theres an amount of business travellers in the mix there who choose Aer Lingus to JFK for the same reason.

kellyr4 · 07-09-2015 4:38pm

A key factor in why EI loads are so high is that their transatlantic network is fed from its shorthaul network. So whilst Delta, AA, United etc are primarily reliant on Irish or North American originating traffic, EI's target market is massively wider. For example, to drive a 95% load factor on Dublin - JFK, it most likely has point to point pax from Ireland & US, passengers connecting beyond JFK to other US cities and it also may have say (2 pax connecting from Manchester, 2 from Edinburgh, 3 from Paris, 4 from Hamburg) etc etc and with this range of different passenger sources, it is considerably easier to fill up the aircraft.

JCX BXC · 07-09-2015 4:43pm

I disagree, if I was to make a connection in the US, Delta and AA offer a far larger variety and you also benefit with the same airline and terminal transfers.

kellyr4 · 07-09-2015 4:55pm

I mightn't have made myself clear, but EI's clear advantage is in Europe / UK - US connectivity via Dublin. e.g. EDI-DUB-BOS

I agree that EI's onward connectivity e.g. DUB-JFK-LAX is inferior to the US carriers but it does capture some of this traffic too.

Chris_5339762 · 07-09-2015 9:13pm

... especially if the choice is either EDI - LHR - BOS or EDI - DUB - BOS you'd be finding a lot of people using the Dublin route just to avoid the joy that is Heathrow. Throw preclearance into the mix and Dublin are milking transatlantic traffic nicely at the moment.

Khuitlio · 12-09-2015 3:51pm

Local media in Vigo (North west Spain) are reporting that Ryanair is due to start flying DUB-VGO twice weekly from April -October 2016. Also gradually opening other destinations as part of a €4milion+ deal with the local govt. Seems odd to me having just opened a base at Santiago de Compostela which isn't too far away.

https://aeropuertodevigo.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/ryanair-abre-rutas-a-barcelona-dublin-edimburgo-milan-y-bolonia-desde-vigo/
http://www.farodevigo.es/gran-vigo/2015/09/12/ryanair-abre-filon-turistico-peinador/1312302.html
http://www.farodevigo.es/gran-vigo/2015/09/09/milan-dublin-edimburgo-bolonia-destinos/1310740.html

Mylow · 12-09-2015 4:48pm

Khuitlio wrote: »

Local media in Vigo (North west Spain) are reporting that Ryanair is due to start flying DUB-VGO twice weekly from April -October 2016. Seems odd to me having just opened a base at Santiago de Compostela which isn't too far away.

I have to agree, and Porto isn't far away either.

Nichard Dixon · 13-09-2015 2:10am

Mylow wrote: »

I have to agree, and Porto isn't far away either.

This opens up the possibility of open jaw tourism. I'd certainly be interested.

Dublin Airport New Routes 2016

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