Dark Matter [ Spoilers ]

Avatar MIA · 10-07-2016 12:00pm

It was okay, big improvement on Ep1, but what's the point?

They've escaped, and there's a hint of some powers that be not having finished with them, but what are we waiting for with Ep 3?

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 23-07-2016 5:11pm

Episode 4 is my favourite of this season so far - I liked seeing almost everyone off on their own little side adventures. I'm sure there's some people disappointed that the main story arc isn't progressing forward as fast as they'd like, but for me (much like with Firefly) I just enjoy watching these characters and love the general feel of the show.

Sarn · 24-07-2016 10:07pm

I wonder if the new woman is an empath? It would explain her ability to match the skills of opponents instantly or know what exactly to ask to get what she needs.

EoinMcLovin · 25-07-2016 11:09am

pixelburp · 25-07-2016 11:57am

Avatar MIA wrote: »

It was okay, big improvement on Ep1, but what's the point?

They've escaped, and there's a hint of some powers that be not having finished with them, but what are we waiting for with Ep 3?

Yeah, I think that's the fundamental problem with this show. I can forgive its pretty non-existent budget or scope, but its characters aren't all uniquely interesting that the complete absence of a longer arc, threat or purpose doesn't is papered over. As you say, what's the point here?

IIRC, Killjoys airs around the same time as Dark Matter and while it has a similarly slim budget, the writing has structured a much clearer mystery and purpose for that particular crew. Also, it has a more demonstrable set of villains or threats nagging everyone that Dark Matter sorely lacks.

Sudden Valley · 25-07-2016 2:12pm

I agree that Killjoys set up the white-haired villain pretty early on and even though they have a smilar plot revolving around evil corporations the killjoy threat has already materialised. The new female beating up the martial arts dude was a bit annoying. They already have an overpowered female in the crew.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 30-07-2016 11:47pm

Love the Android Upgrade - don't think it'll last, but it's an interesting arc all the same.

pixelburp · 16-08-2016 10:43am

Sudden Valley wrote: »

I agree that Killjoys set up the white-haired villain pretty early on and even though they have a smilar plot revolving around evil corporations the killjoy threat has already materialised. The new female beating up the martial arts dude was a bit annoying. They already have an overpowered female in the crew.

Both shows have similar plot-lines revolving corporations, but Killjoys knows to actively engage with this backdrop through action & reaction, unlike Dark Matter that seems content to just have its cast stand around a table and talk about how on the run they all are.

That said, Dark Matter's characters are a shade more interesting than Killjoys', whose own cast are a touch too wannabe - Whedonesque at times (though that has been dialled back a little in Season 2). Each of the Raza's crew have intriguing enough stories that could be something larger, but that's part of the problem; there's almost zero focus or forward momentum.

The latest, 7th, episode is a good example of that; arguably there were 3 strands in play yet none of them stepped forward and drove the narrative forward with anything resembling energy.

pixelburp · 02-09-2016 9:24am

In case it was missed in the Killjoys thread, Dark Matter has been renewed for a season 3:

http://tvline.com/2016/09/01/killjoys-renewed-season-3-dark-matter/

pixelburp · 09-09-2016 9:25am

And for those still following this, the second season of 'Bottle Episode: The Series' finished up with the most anticlimactic finale I've ever watched on TV. I get that the characters are the driving force behind the show and that's fine, but even character-focused show at least try and dovetail threads into something resembling a thrilling (be it through actions or emotions) final episode, signing the season off on a different scope or set of stakes. Nope, not here.

Edit: For some reason I got it into my head that Dark Matter was a 10 episode show, not 13. Hey ho, guess that feeling of it being a mid-season episode was for good reason

It's a nice little time-filler n' all, and I've come to like most of the crew (particularly the Android, who's clearly the standout), but against its sibling Space Opera show Killjoys, Dark Matter feels like a stage play caught in a perpetual holding pattern. The second season started out so well with its prison & space station adventures suggesting a more purposeful narrative with forward momentum; but then events devolved back into the usual sequence of *whisper*kind-boring*whisper* bottle episodes that went nowhere

elric · 09-09-2016 10:53am

Has the remainder of the season leaked? There are three episodes that are unaired as far as I know.

Mr E · 09-09-2016 10:56am

I can't see any leaks. There are 2 episodes tonight and 1 next week.

pixelburp · 09-09-2016 10:58am

Yeah I just got ahead of myself is all, got it into my head there were only 10 episodes for some reason.

SoftMicro · 10-09-2016 12:43am

I honestly don't get why Killjoy's is even mentioned in this thread. I can't stand Killjoy's. It's a noisy mess and have stopped watching it a long time ago. From day one Dark Matter was "light year's" ahead of Killjoy's imo.

Dark Matter season 2 started of great and has continued to be a great season.

Leave the Killjoy's praise to the Killjoy's thread?

Potential-Monke · 11-09-2016 4:02pm

It's mentioned because they're similar shows which are airing at the same time. Like yourself, I much preferred Dark Matter over Killjoys in season 1. It was more interesting, more serious and had better character progression. And while this started off well with the prison, I found that it devolved into a mediocre show, whereas Killjoys is much better this season. They're different but similar in ways, and the character progression in Killjoys this season was far outweighing Dark Matters attempts (Android aside, of course, she's amazing).

That was until I watched this weeks episode. I'm suddenly enthralled again. An amazing episode I thought, and genuinely didn't see that ending coming (to a degree,

killing the mother was enevitable, didn't expect Rio to kill his brother

). Can't wait for the finale now, will be extremely interesting to see where it goes.

jcrowbar · 12-09-2016 10:58am

Yep, it was an awesome episode. They`ve really stepped up their game with this one.

Mr E · 12-09-2016 11:12am

Both new episodes were great, but the end of the second one was fantastic.

Potatoeman · 12-09-2016 12:48pm

SoftMicro wrote: »

I honestly don't get why Killjoy's is even mentioned in this thread. I can't stand Killjoy's. It's a noisy mess and have stopped watching it a long time ago. From day one Dark Matter was "light year's" ahead of Killjoy's imo.

Dark Matter season 2 started of great and has continued to be a great season.

Leave the Killjoy's praise to the Killjoy's thread?

I stopped watching Killjoys after the second episode of this season. Very lazy writing and very bad fighting from the female lead.

Dark matters characters seem to have more depth, better acting, better fighting and better development.

SoftMicro · 12-09-2016 8:07pm

Didn't see that ending coming at all :eek:
Looked like it was going to be all happy family.

Earlier in the episode Three said that Four (Ryo) was avoiding him and he thought it was because of his memories of something bad (or something to that affect). Looks like that might come to the forefront in the finale. Should be a fun finale!

jcrowbar · 12-09-2016 8:40pm

SoftMicro wrote: »

Earlier in the episode Three said that Four (Ryo) was avoiding him and he thought it was because of his memories of something bad (or something to that affect). Looks like that might come to the forefront in the finale. Should be a fun finale!

The creators have already said that they plan to leave that for season 3.

SoftMicro · 12-09-2016 10:47pm

jcrowbar wrote: »

The creators have already said that they plan to leave that for season 3.

Have you just spoiled season 3?

Well then... the finale will be even more of a surprise :cool:

Sarn · 17-09-2016 9:45am

Oh, those bastards. Very enjoyable finale. Can't wait for next season.

AMKC · 23-09-2016 9:56pm

I am looking forward to the finale but was very disappointed with the penultimate episode this season. Just seemed quite boring and one dimensional only focusing on four and not really giving any of the other crew anything significant to do. All the other episodes so far have been good do and am looking forward to season 3 as well. Dark Matter I find is much more fun than Killjoys. I try to watch it but the truth is I don,t really care whats happening or going on in it so I only half watch the episodes.

Sarn · 23-09-2016 11:28pm

Next season should be interesting. At least we know it's been renewed.

Should the thread title mention US pace? Wouldnt want to inadvertently spoil anything for those behind.

AMKC · 03-10-2016 7:38pm

What an cliffhanger ending to the season. Looking forward to the next season already. Really don,t like 4 at the moment but also feel sorry for him at the same time that sister of his is evil.

pixelburp · 04-10-2016 3:16pm

AMKC wrote: »

What an cliffhanger ending to the season. Looking forward to the next season already. Really don,t like 4 at the moment but also feel sorry for him at the same time that sister of his is evil.

I don't think that's his sister; it's not explicitly stated, but I think she was just a daughter of someone in the court who happened to grow up alongside Four.

Definitely the most 'cliffhanger'y of endings for the season, seems like whatever happens the crew will be very definitely broken up at the start of SEason 3

Potatoeman · 04-10-2016 3:44pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I don't think that's his sister; it's not explicitly stated, but I think she was just a daughter of someone in the court who happened to grow up alongside Four.

Definitely the most 'cliffhanger'y of endings for the season, seems like whatever happens the crew will be very definitely broken up at the start of SEason 3

I thought it was pretty clear she wasn't. She is not royalty. It's feudal Japan in space. Her family are Shogun/honour guard.

JP Liz V1 · 03-05-2017 1:32pm

Dark Matter returns to Syfy UK for it's 3rd season on the 12th June

EoinMcLovin · 21-05-2017 10:36am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VKWGp3s6Y

Agent Coulson · 09-06-2017 4:41pm

Returns tonight in the States with a double episode.

Potential-Monke · 10-06-2017 11:19am

Yurt! Good timing too, all my other shows are over!

pixelburp · 10-06-2017 9:08pm

Yeah, it, Wynnona Earp, and Killjoys are definitely breezy summer fare. Hope the purse strings finally open a little more and Dark Matter gets to play a little more. A bit more budget and it could be a legitimately epic show...

FreudianSlippers · 14-06-2017 1:44pm

Couldn't remember what the hell was going on and the "previously" was not much help - just FYI for people who haven't watched yet, maybe get a re-cap of last season's back quarter before diving in.

EoinMcLovin · 14-06-2017 2:22pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Couldn't remember what the hell was going on and the "previously" was not much help - just FYI for people who haven't watched yet, maybe get a re-cap of last season's back quarter before diving in.

Thanks for letting us know. Didn't get the chance to watch them last week. I've seen some shows that have long breaks give great recaps at the start of the new season, pity this show isn't one of them.

Found a recap video for season 2 if it will be of help for anybody, having watched it yet so dunno if its any good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtMYq0VRQlU

Avatar MIA · 14-06-2017 3:12pm

Hello,

I've seen series 1 (thought it was quite good) and the start of season 2. At the start of Season 2 the

main character from season 1 gets killed

I've seen the first one/two episodes of season two. Is

this character gone for good

If yes, do we know why

was he sleeping with the writers wife or something where Karma was justified ?

And would you recommend restarting?

Potential-Monke · 19-06-2017 11:28am

I really enjoyed the first season, but Killjoys was the better of the 2 last season. This one has started strong, so i'm hopeful for it. I would recommend it if you got any enjoyment from it. It's pretty solid imo. As for your reason, not sure but

he's definitely dead, he had taken the face of Jace Corso in order to track down the person who killed his wife, ie: Boone (3) who was a member of the Raza and the only way of getting close to them was by joining them as "Jace Corso".

pixelburp · 19-06-2017 12:14pm

Watched the first two episodes of Season 3 and nothing really has changed all that much; it's still as solid and watchable as before, but the flaws remain. Id' actually forgotten just how much talking goes on: it's a low budget show for sure, but not in the 'Bablyon 5' mould, where they still try eek out every penny and put in on-screen with epic space set pieces: in the absence of any actual budget, Dark Matter has sooooo much exposition about things happening outside whatever room our main cast are standing in - Star Trek: Next Generation at least showed the occasional space battle amongst all the camera wobbling.

It seems like a minor complaint sure, but I think it's more relevant in relation to this grand arc of a Corporation War that the viewer is supposed to give a sh*t about: the classic mantra dictates "show, don't tell" and it's easily applicable here too. In a scenario where we're supposed to worry about various corporations shooting at each other, we've barely actually seen any of this - heck I don't think we've even seen any corporate logos or 'visual' presence - but by god do people waffle on about it.

GottaGetGatt · 20-06-2017 1:48pm

Watch The Expanse if you looking for a great Space set series. I stopped watching this towards the end of season 1.

Mr E · 24-06-2017 12:53pm

That was a brilliant episode. Joseph Mallozzi loves his time loops.

Very clever writing and I love the foreshadowing of what's to come in the future.

DMcL1971 · 24-06-2017 8:47pm

Yes, great episode, a nice take on the Grounhog Day idea. I wasn't impressed with the first few episodes of this season but that was one of the best episodes yet.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 26-06-2017 9:23pm

I love Time Loop episodes and films, so this was right up my alley. Great stuff.

Bandana boy · 27-06-2017 10:45pm

I loved this weeks episode , was funny and quite dark at the end
I really hope we actually get to see some of that stuff old 5 was talking about

AMKC · 27-06-2017 11:48pm

This was a simple but very funny episode. No doubt it was also very cheap to make to. I don,t mind because I get Dark Matter. Killjoys is back next week but I prefer Dark Matter and will not be watching well because it just lost me.

Skerries · 28-06-2017 12:40pm

it very much is turning into Blakes 7 with the changing of cast members, I wonder will it go out in a blaze of glory like that show did

DMcL1971 · 10-07-2017 10:41pm

I enjoyed this weeks episode. I had forgotten about the alternate reality crew so the start had me confused and then when they started mixing up crew members it kept me guessing. Alternate reality characters have been done on plenty of other shows but this kept it nice a fun.

Mr E · 10-07-2017 11:06pm

I thought it was pretty muddled but I enjoyed it. The handoff between the androids near the end was the best part.

The_Valeyard · 11-07-2017 9:34am

I enjoyed it. A good episode. strong season so far.

DMcL1971 · 11-07-2017 10:55am

Mr E wrote: »

The handoff between the androids near the end was the best part.

Android has some of the best lines and a great deadpan delivery. I really enjoyed the alternate android threatening Wexler. "I could detach your head with minimal effort....minimal....effort."

AMKC · 11-07-2017 8:38pm

Enjoyed this weeks episode. But at the beginning I was did I miss on episode why would they want to steal a crappy ship when they have the R. Then when she spaced all the prisoners I was like ok either alternate reality crew or impostors. I also had forgotten about the evil alternate reality crew. Must be good fun for the actors getting to do different versions of themselves. It was well done and fun.

corkie · 15-07-2017 4:23pm

Latest episode (S03E07) enjoyable but easily predict what was happening in it.

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