Mass Effect 3: The Ending(s) [ Spoilers ]

Herrick · 26-03-2012 6:17pm

Shryke wrote: »

I went with Jack in 2 and kept that on in 3. It was good that they tied in the cast somewhat but I would have liked more. If you could have had the 1 character you had a relationship with in the previous game then join your team that would have been really cool. Not practical though probably.

I know, I romanced Miranda in 2 and stayed with her in 3. Missed not having her on the Normandy

Blazer · 27-03-2012 8:25am

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

UUggh i used like seth green, jokers turned me against him.

Seth Green? I hate that príck..:mad: never realized he voiced joker

Mossay · 27-03-2012 10:55am

Zillah wrote: »

Splendid, no problems there. Except in Control or Synthesis of course.

You could stretch it a bit more for control and synthesis. In both those scenarios EDI still detects that the shockwave is gonna either target her mind, or reconfigure all matter that it envelops-- both options seemingly incredibly dangerous for her and the crew. She informs joker, he fires up the FTL drive to try and escape, and once the wave hits EDI the FTL core stalls and they crash land.

In all three scenarios the normandy is the only alliance vessel going to experience systems failure because its the only one being regulated by a reaper-enhanced AI.

I know I'm just making excuses for a crappy script, but it makes the ending much more bearable.

Mr Freeze · 27-03-2012 11:01am

Herrick wrote: »

I know, I romanced Miranda in 2 and stayed with her in 3. Missed not having her on the Normandy

So no bed time frolics for your Shepard then???

Or it would be kinda of awkward with a hologram or something....

Herrick · 27-03-2012 1:31pm

Mr Freeze wrote: »

So no bed time frolics for your Shepard then???

Or it would be kinda of awkward with a hologram or something....

Oh they had their fun

You meet her in person a good few times, one of them is in an apartment on the Citadel and well, they do more than talk

Mr Freeze · 27-03-2012 1:37pm

Herrick wrote: »

Oh they had their fun You meet her in person a good few times, one of them is in an apartment on the Citadel and well, they do more than talk

Crap I missed that, cause on my playthrough, I told Liara, Ashley and Miranda that it was still on, and only got Liara in the end, I wanted all three dammit.

Kiith · 27-03-2012 2:13pm

Liara was the best character anyway, so it's all good.

Zero-Cool · 27-03-2012 2:15pm

Kiith wrote: »

Liara was the best character anyway, so it's all good.

Am I the only one who didn't like Liara? She was very annoying to speak to and only brought her on missions where Asari were involved.

When 'choosing' my ending, I was trying to pick the option that meant Shep and Tali could settle down together and Garrus would be our whacky neighbour. That didn't really work out tho.

AnCapaillMor · 27-03-2012 2:29pm

sheehy83 wrote: »

Am I the only one who didn't like Liara? She was very annoying to speak to and only brought her on missions where Asari were involved.

Yeah really gets on my nerves too. There's something about her voice that bugs the hell out of me. Nice ass though.

Zillah · 27-03-2012 4:40pm

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Nice ass though.

You. You are you why I am sometimes ashamed of computer games.

Mr Freeze · 27-03-2012 4:42pm

^ don't ever play bayonetta so!

Kiith · 27-03-2012 4:57pm

I just think Liara had the best progression of any character, bar maybe Garrus. And she was excellent in LotSB.

fundlebundle · 27-03-2012 5:32pm

Herrick wrote: »

You know, I was thinking of a couple of other things that don't make sense at the end.

It's already been asked why was the Normandy in FTL flying away from Earth in the first place, among a few other things.

In my ending, I chose to destroy the Reapers and my Shep lived. But why did the shockwave that destroyed the Reapers and Mass Relays not harm the allied fleet around Earth, but somehow managed to seriously damage the Normandy?

Also if my Shep is on the Citadel, which is in orbit over Earth, how the hell is he waking up in a pile of rubble in London?

Maybe Shepard ran to the light beam and was beamed back to London before it all went down.

Infact I bet me3 dlc opens with shepard sitting at a bar in London, talking about his miraculous escape from the citadel.
Shepard: so I unload a clip into the power conduit and bam I'm engulfed in flames and I see this big beam of light just behind the starchild and
Patron: the what?
Shepard: the starchild, so anyway I'm running for this light the whole place is going up and
Patron: what the hell is the starchild
Shepard : oh it's the all powerful being that controls the reapers.
Patron: waaiit a minute you mean the reapers have a boss? A child?
Shepard: yeah, he was the same kid I saw getting killed when the reapers invaded.
Patron: ....
Shepard: so I'm running for this light and....

Herrick · 27-03-2012 7:40pm

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Crap I missed that, cause on my playthrough, I told Liara, Ashley and Miranda that it was still on, and only got Liara in the end, I wanted all three dammit.

Yeah I think they said you can romance some of the love interests at the same time a lot longer in 3 than previous games.

Miranda is my favorite character in the series. A lot would prob disagree. But I love her story. How she is so cold and apparently devoid of all feelings when she is introduced in 2, only to see its a protective front she has put up once Shepard gets to know her. Her loyalty mission and the progression of the romance between her and Shepard shows so much.

Also in ME3, you see how sensitive she really is if you break up with her, she actually cries

Then if she dies when in Sanctuary after killing her father, she tells Shepard she loves him, although I found it a bit weird they didn't let her say it to him if she was alive though.

I doubt a lot of people would have expected any of that from her initially.

Now if only Bioware will let my Shepard track her down in the DLC, seeing as he promised her he would before the final mission

I'm gladly take the endings, plotholes and all if my Shepard and Miranda got a nice little reunion

AlmightyCushion · 27-03-2012 7:45pm

Herrick wrote: »

Yeah I think they said you can romance some of the love interests at the same time a lot longer in 3 than previous games.

Miranda is my favorite character in the series. A lot would prob disagree. But I love her story. How she is so cold and apparently devoid of all feelings when she is introduced in 2, only to see its a protective front she has put up once Shepard gets to know her. Her loyalty mission and the progression of the romance between her and Shepard shows so much.

Also in ME3, you see how sensitive she really is if you break up with her, she actually cries Then if she dies when in Sanctuary after killing her father, she tells Shepard she loves him, although I found it a bit weird they didn't let her say it to him if she was alive though.

I doubt a lot of people would have expected any of that from her initially.

Now if only Bioware will let my Shepard track her down in the DLC, seeing as he promised her he would before the final mission I'm gladly take the endings, plotholes and all if my Shepard and Miranda got a nice little reunion

When you land on earth you can talk to her. There's some communications guy who has a one of those hologram machines and you can talk to a lot of people through it.

Outkast_IRE · 27-03-2012 7:48pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

When you land on earth you can talk to her. There's some communications guy who has a one of those hologram machines and you can talk to a lot of people through it.

ya its one of the few personalised bits depending on choices, i romanced Jack in ME2 and ME3 so she told me to come back cause she wants to get laid and shepards replies i love you too .

Its cool little touches like that which was lacking in the very end ,

Herrick · 27-03-2012 8:11pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

When you land on earth you can talk to her. There's some communications guy who has a one of those hologram machines and you can talk to a lot of people through it.

My post was worded a little off there.

Yep, thats the bit where he promised he'd come find her once he was finished with the Reapers

As in he'd find her after the final mission.

Eggy Baby! · 27-03-2012 8:21pm

I feel sorry for anyone who didn't have Mordin and help the Krogan. His death was probably the best part of the game, if not the series. Absolutely loved it.

"Genophage cured. Krogan free." *smiles* *BAM*

Oh god, oh man.

what quarians looked like

You do if you make the right choices- they look like white people with white eyes and markings on their faces....

blatantrereg · 27-03-2012 8:23pm

A friend playing it doesn't know the ending. He was saying how much he disliked many of the civilizations in the game, and joked that he was looking forward to joining the reapers at the end. I had to really bite my tongue there.

27-03-2012 9:11pm

Man, just watched Mordin's death there and really wish he had survived from ME2. It was some random character instead and no emotional connection.

seantorious · 28-03-2012 4:37am

Eggy Baby! wrote: »

"Genophage cured. Krogan free." *smiles* *BAM*

Oh god, oh man.

He sang for me before he died, seems theres 2 options. Damn that was sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrH0Lda0Hds

Blazer · 28-03-2012 2:10pm

Mordin is awesome alright...easily the best character in the game.....
His deathscene is awesome and even brought a tear to my eye..as for the rest of them...who gives a frak...
Barring Garrus they all just píssed me off..

Kiith · 28-03-2012 2:30pm

Legion's was very good as well.

Actually, i loved all the quests where characters from the previous games turned up. Jack, Miranda, Samara, Kasumi all had great missions. Hell, even Jacob wasn't a total waste of space.

Eggy Baby! · 28-03-2012 2:34pm

Tali died for me lol it was devastating...

And it was by accident too, a random consequence of my choice to save the Geth. I thought about it for a while afterwards and realised it was just the hubris of the Quarians that got them all killed...made me feel better.....

lol.

AnCapaillMor · 28-03-2012 2:41pm

If your paragon or renegade status is high enough you can get a peaceful resolution between the geth and the quarians.

blatantrereg · 28-03-2012 2:46pm

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

If your paragon or renegade status is high enough you can get a peaceful resolution between the geth and the quarians.

I've read that it's down to more factors than just paragon/renegade score, including specific events occurring in previous games.

It must be the rarest thing to happen without having read up or played the game before. Most people would go on that mission before they had the opportunity to raise their alignment scores that high. Funnily the ones most likely to get the option are the people least interested in the Quarian and Geth [delayed the most before undertaking the mission].

AnCapaillMor · 28-03-2012 2:53pm

I'd a funny feeling something like that(remember the jack\miranda argument after jacks loyalty mission(you needed a high par\ren to not piss off at least 1 of them)) was going to happen sooner or later so tried to get max out of paragon. If not the paragon\renegade thing, i wonder what events\decisions change it.

Kiith · 28-03-2012 2:56pm

The only things i can think of are resolving the fight between Tali and Legion after Legions loyalty mission, and recommending a cease fire with the Admirals in the Flotilla, both in ME2.

blatantrereg · 28-03-2012 3:04pm

A few things are supposed to contribute.

In order to achieve peace between the two races, you need to get 5 to 7 points. These points are based on your ME2 and ME3 decisions. If you have 4 points or below, you cannot achieve peace.

-Rewrote the Heretics (0 points)

-Destroyed the Heretics (+2 points)

-Tali is NOT exiled (+2 points)

-Tali has been exiled/You did not do the Loyalty Mission (0 points)

-Resolved Legion/Tali conflict either using the Paragon or Renegade options (+1 point)

-N7 Mission: Save the Admiral on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)

-N7 Mission: Destroy Geth Squadron on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)

-Completed Legion's Mission in ME3 (or no peace)

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/59270/brokering-peace-between-quarian-and-geth-options-dont-appear

You also need the high paragon/renegade score. If the above is correct then the only thing I was missing was the alignment score.

AnCapaillMor · 28-03-2012 3:10pm

Whats really fecked up is the difference between backing the geth and brokering the peace, quarians go mad in one, tali's suicide, ships attacking etc and then the peace option has the geth helping them rebuild\colonize even helping them so they won't need the suits anymore. Along with the videos's from legions mission, I've come to the decision Quarians are assholes, except Tali.

Zillah · 28-03-2012 3:36pm

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Whats really fecked up is the difference between backing the geth and brokering the peace, quarians go mad in one, tali's suicide, ships attacking etc and then the peace option has the geth helping them rebuild\colonize even helping them so they won't need the suits anymore. Along with the videos's from legions mission, I've come to the decision Quarians are assholes, except Tali.

I was absolutely ok with letting the Quarians burn until Tali threw herself off a cliff. That was reload territory.

sink · 28-03-2012 3:43pm

I got the Quarians a Geth to make peace, it was completely unplanned and a fluke. The way I approached all 3 games was to do all available side quests before moving on to the main missions, so my character always had max XP/paragon going into a mission. I choose to save the heretics in ME2 thinking it was the paragon route, but obviously it came back at me, but as I had done all the other bits on that list I managed to scrape through.

AnCapaillMor · 28-03-2012 3:50pm

Zillah wrote: »

I was absolutely ok with letting the Quarians burn until Tali threw herself off a cliff. That was reload territory.

After the halfassed job of the pic to show a quarian i was tempted to reload and let her jump.

Clover · 28-03-2012 3:57pm

Had to reload the game also after Tali jumped to her death on the first play-through, as she was my love interest from ME2 but I was so disappointed with the photo ( so not worth it ).

Let her jump on the second play-through went for Liara instead:D.

blatantrereg · 28-03-2012 4:25pm

Did anyone at all side with the Quarians against the Geth in that situation?
For some reason I thought siding with the Geth would be the less popular option - even though the lead-up to the decision shows a lot of things to make you sympathise with them.

Zero-Cool · 28-03-2012 4:44pm

Was beaming I was able to get the quarians and geth to find peace. Even though I wanted to side with tali about a few things I just felt were wrong and then she said she was glad i did what I did.

What did ye do to make tali jump off a cliff?

blatantrereg · 28-03-2012 5:57pm

If you side with the Geth the fleet is destroyed and that's how she reacts.

Herrick · 28-03-2012 7:38pm

blatantrereg wrote: »

Did anyone at all side with the Quarians against the Geth in that situation?
For some reason I thought siding with the Geth would be the less popular option - even though the lead-up to the decision shows a lot of things to make you sympathise with them.

I had intended to make peace between them, simply to have the best possible fleet. But I never destroyed the Geth fighter squadron base beforehand so I didn't get the option I thought would come up and to my horror the entire Quarian fleet was destroyed, along with having to watch Tali jump of a cliff.

I always said to myself if it came down to it I'd always pick the Quarians over the Geth. Self aware or not, at the end of the day their only a bunch of tin cans.

I reloaded and let the Geth die. I knew I was gonna pick the destroy option in the games end anyway so letting them live wasn't gonna make much of a difference.

Zillah · 28-03-2012 8:20pm

sink wrote: »

I got the Quarians a Geth to make peace, it was completely unplanned and a fluke. The way I approached all 3 games was to do all available side quests before moving on to the main missions, so my character always had max XP/paragon going into a mission. I choose to save the heretics in ME2 thinking it was the paragon route, but obviously it came back at me, but as I had done all the other bits on that list I managed to scrape through.

I did all of the side stuff too. What screwed me over was that ME1 and ME2 punish you for not going to an extreme for either Paragon or Renegade. I am nice to my friends and people that help me, and horrible to my enemies and people that get in the way. This means I usually end up 50/50 on Paragon/Renegade, which means I am constantly denied access to the cooler conversation options. Hate your friends or love your enemies, otherwise be doomed to mediocrity! So I wasn't able to stop Tali from getting exiled because the conversation option was greyed out. And I chose to rewrite the heretics so that the Geth would be stronger potential allies against the Reapers.

Despite ticking all of the other boxes I was denied the opportunity for peace in ME3.

Blazer · 28-03-2012 8:41pm

blatantrereg wrote: »

Did anyone at all side with the Quarians against the Geth in that situation?
For some reason I thought siding with the Geth would be the less popular option - even though the lead-up to the decision shows a lot of things to make you sympathise with them.

I sided with them but I was sorry afterwards...quarians are assholes as horse said

Kirby · 28-03-2012 9:10pm

Blazer wrote: »

I sided with them but I was sorry afterwards...quarians are assholes as horse said

Some quarians are assholes. It's a product of their situation. If you were driven from your home, lived a nomadic existence, lived in a suit for the majority of your life, and had the galaxy treat you as second class citizens........you would be pretty hard nosed too. It was a situation of their own making, but thats not really the point.

Even tali, who most people really like and consider a good person, says and does some pretty harsh stuff throughout the series. When you meet her in ME1, in ME2 when you encounter her again and her reaction to you, her reaction and dealings with Legion in 2 and 3, how she defends her fathers work in ME2, initially wanting all geth to die in ME3 etc. etc.

They are written as people with a chip on their shoulders. I liked that. If that happened to you.....you wouldn't be the pillar of altruism. They weren't perfect. I found their writing to be some of the best. Them and the Krogan.

And I want an offical quarian induction straw too.

degrassinoel · 28-03-2012 9:23pm

Kirby wrote: »

And I want an offical quarian induction straw too.

Induction Straw!

Zero-Cool · 28-03-2012 9:41pm

Drunk tali ftw!

Bioware on facebook are asking you for your favourite phrases from me 3 for future t shirts.

28-03-2012 10:23pm

One thing that bugged me is that if you don't sabotage the genophage cure, the Salarians don't support you, but if you do a side-mission (can't remember which one), afterwards they do.

Local-womanizer · 28-03-2012 10:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

One thing that bugged me is that if you don't sabotage the genophage cure, the Salarians don't support you, but if you do a side-mission (can't remember which one), afterwards they do.

Why does it bother you? I just thought of the situation as the Daltrass being difficult and basically racist and the majority of Salarians understanding the importance of having the Krogan on-side. I think the Salarian guy who gives you the good news mentions the fact the Daltrass was being unreasonable.

She was a grade A bitch so she was.

Gummy Panda · 28-03-2012 10:51pm

I was really disappointed by the ending yesterday. Felt really cheated. Still don't understand why the Normandy is in FTL.

Also the Reapers felt like the Shadows from Babylon 5. At least Babylon 5 was able to build on its poor Shadows exit but saying how a fascist government was utilising the tech.

28-03-2012 11:15pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Why does it bother you? I just thought of the situation as the Daltrass being difficult and basically racist and the majority of Salarians understanding the importance of having the Krogan on-side. I think the Salarian guy who gives you the good news mentions the fact the Daltrass was being unreasonable.

She was a grade A bitch so she was.

It bothered me because it made the whole impact of the decision kinda null-and-void.

Herrick · 28-03-2012 11:23pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I was really disappointed by the ending yesterday. Felt really cheated. Still don't understand why the Normandy is in FTL.

Also the Reapers felt like the Shadows from Babylon 5. At least Babylon 5 was able to build on its poor Shadows exit but saying how a fascist government was utilising the tech.

That must make you a sad Panda

:pac:

Local-womanizer · 28-03-2012 11:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It bothered me because it made the whole impact of the decision kinda null-and-void.

I get where you are coming from. I dunno,I just kind of went over the whole possibility of politics in the Salarian government, infighting etc. and herself looking out for her own interests and her own agenda.

Out of interest, what happens if you do what the Daltrass asks? Do the krogan find out and pull out?

Josey Wales · 28-03-2012 11:56pm

I just finished ME3 a few minutes ago and don't have time to read this thread just yet. One of the things that is bugging me is the fate of Garrus. He was with me as we ran to the beam and so was Javik.

I'm pretty sure when the Normandy crash landed Javik was there. How he got there I have no idea but what about poor Garrus?

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