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Dublin Airport New Routes 2016

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental



    that just reads like they are cutting services, not the route altogether.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Any word on the new routes announcements?

    I have friends in Hartfort, CT so would be very interested in a direct flight. As would they, I am sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Tomorrow...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    So if EI announce a DUB-LAX route would you be able to fly DUB-LAX-LAS on an EI ticket? They codeshare with some airlines in the US don't they?


  • Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭steokeogh


    You can fly DUB-ORD-LAS so I don't see why not


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    January wrote: »
    So if EI announce a DUB-LAX route would you be able to fly DUB-LAX-LAS on an EI ticket? They codeshare with some airlines in the US don't they?

    Currently they codeshare with United and offer interline tickets with Jetblue and Air Canada (ex-USA into Canada)

    So you can go Ireland-JFK-LAS, DUB-ORD-LAS or DUB-SFO-LAS, and with a route to LAX then DUB-LAX-LAS (which was a popular route back in the early 00's)


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭J.pilkington


    Ethiopian to recommence New York flights, similar to the Toronto and Washington stops probably just a fuel stop in Dublin with no passengers embarking


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Khuitlio


    Interesting from CAPA, would love to see them launch Houston with fifth freedom via DUB. Good to hear they are happy with how DUB is working out as their EU hub.
    New York is in line to become Ethiopian’s fourth destination in North America in Jun-2016, joining Toronto, Washington Dulles and recently launched Los Angeles. Ethiopian is also looking at Chicago and Houston, which could be launched in 2017

    Ethiopian could expand Dublin hub as expansion in US continues

    Ethiopian has not yet decided if it will serve its three planned new US destinations non-stop eastbound or with a stopover in both directions, which would enable it to take advantage of fifth freedom traffic. “We are now measuring the size of the traffic whether it makes sense to fly direct from or need to stop in Europe,” Mr GebreMariam said. “If the market is not big enough to begin with then we can stop both ways in Dublin.”

    The new Addis Ababa-Dublin-Los Angeles flight has performed well since it was launched in Jun-2015, giving Ethiopian confidence it can succeed in other Dublin-US markets. Ethiopian achieved an average load factor on the Addis Ababa-Dublin-Los Angeles route of 75% to 80% in the summer 2015 season with a significant number of passengers embarking or disembarking in Dublin.

    There are now three Ethiopian departures from Dublin within a span of less than 30m on some mornings
    Ethiopian at the same time also changed the westbound stop of its Toronto and Washington flights to Dublin. There are now three Ethiopian departures from Dublin within a span of less than 30m on some mornings, a time Dublin Airport affectionately refers to as Ethiopian hour. “Dublin is becoming a very popular hub for us,” Mr GebreMariam said.

    Dublin is keen for Ethiopian to further expand the hub with stopovers in both directions for its future US routes. Toronto and Washington are purely technical stops – although still good business for Dublin – and are unlikely to have eastbound stops in future as they are large enough local markets to support non-stops.

    Dublin-New York would represent a different and perhaps more challenging market than Dublin-Los Angeles, which is not served non-stop by any other carrier. Aer Lingus, American, Delta and United all serve the Dublin-New York market and Ethiopian will likely not be able to partner with United on the route due to restrictions with United’s trans-Atlantic joint venture with the Lufthansa Group and Air Canada. But Dublin-New York is a much bigger local market and Ethiopian will have one year of building its brand in the Irish market by the time it launches New York.

    Dublin-Chicago is served by American and Aer Lingus while Dublin-Houston currently does not have any non-stop service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭MoeJay


    DUB-EWR and vv. showing on aerlingus.com EI 101/100 - no idea of frequency , maybe daily. First available date showing Sep 1 2016.

    EI 101 1310-1540
    EI 100 1735-0520

    DUB-LAX looks like 5 per week from May 4 2016 (?)

    EI 145 1500-1800
    EI 144 1950-1400


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Preset No.3


    Terrible times for LAX.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Terrible times for LAX.

    Not for transit passengers.

    4 weekly Heartford from 28 Sep also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    MoeJay wrote: »
    DUB-EWR and vv. showing on aerlingus.com EI 101/100 - no idea of frequency , maybe daily. First available date showing Sep 1 2016.

    EI 101 1310-1540
    EI 100 1735-0520

    DUB-LAX looks like 5 per week from May 4 2016 (?)

    EI 145 1500-1800
    EI 144 1950-1400


    Interesting schedule to LAX ensures the aircraft gets back in less than 24 hours and opens up large connection options through the morning EU arrivals in the 11-14:00 and the evening wave of departures from Dublin on way back

    EWR? Why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,542 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I presume that it'll be a different a/c for LAX each time at DUB? 1 hour cannot be enough to empty, service and board a 332. Does still reduce the impact on the fleet to being that of basically one frame though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    L1011 wrote: »
    I presume that it'll be a different a/c for LAX each time at DUB? 1 hour cannot be enough to empty, service and board a 332. Does still reduce the impact on the fleet to being that of basically one frame though.

    1 330-200 SFO 12:20 out, arrive home 11:35, presumably then goes to LAX
    1 330-200 LAX 15:00 out, arrive home 14:00, presumably then goes to ORD/BOS

    There are 4 A330-200's and only 2 routes where you must fly -200


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    L1011 wrote: »
    I presume that it'll be a different a/c for LAX each time at DUB? 1 hour cannot be enough to empty, service and board a 332. Does still reduce the impact on the fleet to being that of basically one frame though.
    Remember that T2 is very congested pre-1100. Adding another departure is really pushing the facility.
    1500 departure matches up very well with the inbound EI shorthaul routes. Couple this with the 1220 DUB-SFO and EI effectively offer 2 frequencies to US West Coast on some days (assuming SFO cutting back to 4/5 weekly)
    1400 arrival into DUB is a little late but does offer connections with EI to AMS,CDG,MAD,BCN,DUS and most UK airports.
    With IAD being 4 weekly, 3 aircraft alternating can cover those 3 routes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger



    Been refreshing the blog since 10am while pretending to actually work at my desk!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭basill


    Only the one 330 available for start of summer season hence Newark pushed out till September when the second unit is expected to arrive. BDL would appear to be a case of taking the money on offer and running hence a 757.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    basill wrote: »
    Only the one 330 available for start of summer season hence Newark pushed out till September when the second unit is expected to arrive. BDL would appear to be a case of taking the money on offer and running hence a 757.

    no mention of orders for new a330?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    no mention of orders for new a330?

    Am sure they will want to save that for next week/month. Got to spin out the positive PR snippets over a couple of news cycles.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    EI are down for T7 at LAX which is United terminal, interesting so clearly UA code share not going away for now anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭ozzy jr


    The BDL route.

    Would this be the first sign of IAG using Dublin to get passengers to Heathrow, due to the lack of slots at LHR? I'd imagine a slot at LHR would be better spent serving one of their bigger markets? Or was this in the pipeline pre IAG?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    ozzy jr wrote: »
    The BDL route.

    Would this be the first sign of IAG using Dublin to get passengers to Heathrow, due to the lack of slots at LHR? I'd imagine a slot at LHR would be better spent serving one of their bigger markets? Or was this in the pipeline pre IAG?

    There is no lack of slots at LHR, the 5 million money tree is why EI are going there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭ozzy jr


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    There is no lack of slots at LHR, the 5 million money tree is why EI are going there.

    I thought Heathrow was running at 99% capacity?

    (well that's what they kept saying during that BBC documentary they showed recently)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    There is no lack of slots at LHR, the 5 million money tree is why EI are going there.

    There's no lack of slots? Explain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    There's no lack of slots? Explain?

    BA are adding bucket and spade routes like there is no tomorrow out of LHR, if there was lack of slots they wouldn't be adding such routes.
    I thought Heathrow was running at 99% capacity?

    (well that's what they kept saying during that BBC documentary they showed recently)

    It is but currently slots are not be used to full potential, major scope for long haul growth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    BA are adding bucket and spade routes like there is no tomorrow out of LHR, if there was lack of slots they wouldn't be adding such routes.



    It is but currently slots are not be used to full potential, major scope for long haul growth.

    Notice a few routes are being dropped to make way for these routes. Why do so many BA services operate out of Gatwick as opposed to Heathrow?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,542 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Notice a few routes are being dropped to make way for these routes. Why do so many BA services operate out of Gatwick as opposed to Heathrow?

    Gatwick targets leisure passengers - lower yield and more price sensitive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    EI are down for T7 at LAX which is United terminal, interesting so clearly UA code share not going away for now anyway.

    I wish they did this at O'Hare. If you're connecting with UA, which many do, you have to trek all the way from T5 to T1, and there's usually a huge line for security in both.


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    I wish they did this at O'Hare. If you're connecting with UA, which many do, you have to trek all the way from T5 to T1, and there's usually a huge line for security in both.

    Whatever about the trek, the lack of food options in T5 is pretty bad. Or at least was the last time I went through there. The lounge isn't great either.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21 Skuzchad


    I really thought they would announce somewhere like Miami or somewhere different .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Skuzchad wrote: »
    I really thought they would announce somewhere like Miami or somewhere different .

    What's Hartford so?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21 Skuzchad


    Thats only happening because of so much incentive e.g. money


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Balf


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    What's Hartford so?
    It does look different. Dublin looks to be the only destination out of Hartford outside of North America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Balf wrote: »
    It does look different. Dublin looks to be the only destination out of Hartford outside of North America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations

    I think there was a route to Amsterdam until a few years ago. Will be an interesting one! Large Irish settlement there AFAIK
    Thats only happening because of so much incentive e.g. money

    If they did the same with Miami would that stop it from being a 'different' route?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Balf wrote: »
    It does look different. Dublin looks to be the only destination out of Hartford outside of North America.
    Hartford lost their last international route (AMS) when Delta pulled it about 6 years ago.
    However it is a big enough airport and has routes to many parts of the US. It also acts as a "gateway to New England"
    There is a large Irish population in that region. Hartford has a large business community. Some people from New England would find it easier to travel to Hartford than to go to the big cities of Boston or NYC.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21 Skuzchad


    Was there not rumours a while ago about Dublin airport and Cathay pacific in talks about flying in and out of Dublin ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Skuzchad wrote: »
    Was there not rumours a while ago about Dublin airport and Cathay pacific in talks about flying in and out of Dublin ??

    These rumours come and go alot sadly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Aer Lingus says agreement on Ryanair connections possible by next year

    Aer Lingus is in talks with Ryanair about providing transfer connections for markets it does not serve, and an agreement could be reached by the middle of next year, chief executive Stephen Kavanagh said today.

    "We are looking at the opportunities to extend our network reach. There are markets that Ryanair serves that we don't so we are having those discussions about what is currently happening on an ad hoc basis," Mr Kavanagh said.

    "If we get the right price in terms of the capacity from Ryanair, then we would be very interested in doing business. At this point in time we remain in negotiation. If the commercial agreements are reached in time, then summer 2016 is a possibility," the Aer Lingus CEO added.

    As I expected some time ago, EI will only sign up to un served points in Europe.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/1021/736460-aer-lingus-us-expansion/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Balf


    Tenger wrote: »
    Hartford lost their last international route (AMS) when Delta pulled it about 6 years ago.
    Found a few interesting snippets, giving an idea of how important this is on the US side of the equation.
    http://articles.courant.com/2009-03-28/news/amsterdam-flight_1_nonstop-flight-northwest-airlines-delta-air-lines

    March 28, 2009|By ERIC GERSHON, egershon@courant.com
    It was a short-lived "miracle."

    Northwest Airlines has indefinitely suspended its nonstop flight between Hartford and Amsterdam, which had been scheduled to resume June 3 and would have been Connecticut's only direct air route to Europe.
    http://www.courant.com/business/hc-aer-lingus-bradley-flight-dublin-20151020-story.html

    Aer Lingus To Resume Service At Bradley In Sept. 2016

    HARTFORD — Gov. Dannel P. Malloy on Wednesday announced that a direct trans-Atlantic flight will again depart from Bradley International Airport after a six-year absence.

    Aer Lingus, the national airline of Ireland, will add a route between Bradley and Dublin, state officials said. Flights are expected to commence in late September 2016. The airline was lured by up to $5 million in incentives from the state. It was unclear Tuesday when service would begin or what the fares might be.<>

    Restoration of a trans-Atlantic flight has been a priority since the Connecticut Airport Authority was formed three years ago. A trans-Atlantic flight is seen as crucial to economic development efforts in the area, including the "Knowledge Corridor" initiative, stretching between Springfield and New Haven.

    Speculation intensified last week on social media and in Irish travel publications that an announcement about a Hartford-to-Dublin flight was imminent.

    The effort to attract Aer Lingus surfaced last spring, right before Malloy visited Dublin to meet with airline executives to discuss the possibility of an international flight.
    I like the way the Hartford newspaper reports this as Aer Lingus "resuming" the service to that place called Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Skuzchad wrote: »
    I really thought they would announce somewhere like Miami or somewhere different .

    I was also slightly underwhelmed by the announcement too. LAX and Newark are already connected to Dublin via other airlines (Ethopian and United) and OK, Hartford is brand new but I feel its also in the same JFK/Newark/Boston catchment area. Was hoping for somewhere like Miami or Dallas but I guess the north east is where the biggest catchment of business/leisure traffic between Ireland and the US resides and such routes make economic sense along with LAX on the west coast. Other such "exotic" locations would only be nice to haves but not necessarily profit generators. I'm still pleased to have our national carrier connect to these additional locations so I'm not criticizing the development.

    Press reports today do mention future US destinations including Far East and South America are also under consideration for EI so the future is bright!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    South America with EI? Very unlikely, even BA have a poor network to Latin America due to the push for Iberia to get the traffic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    I wish they did this at O'Hare. If you're connecting with UA, which many do, you have to trek all the way from T5 to T1, and there's usually a huge line for security in both.

    Fully agree, same in Boston when connecting with Jet Blue.
    I don't know why they can't arrange a bus to transfer connecting passengers airside to the United Terminal.
    I only use Aer Lingus for connection if through JFK, otherwise I use other airlines because it avoids the hassle of reclearing security.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21 Skuzchad


    He prob means south america but still in north America . As in the 'South' e.g Texas or new orleans


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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    South America with EI? Very unlikely, even BA have a poor network to Latin America due to the push for Iberia to get the traffic

    BA have just announced Lima, Peru for next year, yes it's thin in terms of routes but they are slowly relaunching them. I guess when slots are thin in the ground at Heathrow they look to go to traditional markets.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Skuzchad wrote: »
    He prob means south america but still in north America . As in the 'South' e.g Texas or new orleans

    No, not the southern states but the continent of South America. Reading the article again below, Willie Walsh said if the demand was there, they would consider South America or the Far East.


    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-in-talks-with-ryanair-on-north-american-routes-1.2400280


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    ongarboy wrote: »
    No, not the southern states but the continent of South America. Reading the article again below, Willie Walsh said if the demand was there, they would consider South America or the Far East.


    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-in-talks-with-ryanair-on-north-american-routes-1.2400280

    Interesting article.
    Personally I don't see much of a market for South America yet, bit with the way those markets are growing who knows!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭Nichard Dixon


    ongarboy wrote: »
    I was also slightly underwhelmed by the announcement too. LAX and Newark are already connected to Dublin via other airlines (Ethopian and United) and OK, Hartford is brand new but I feel its also in the same JFK/Newark/Boston catchment area. Was hoping for somewhere like Miami or Dallas but I guess the north east is where the biggest catchment of business/leisure traffic between Ireland and the US resides and such routes make economic sense along with LAX on the west coast. Other such "exotic" locations would only be nice to haves but not necessarily profit generators. I'm still pleased to have our national carrier connect to these additional locations so I'm not criticizing the development.

    Press reports today do mention future US destinations including Far East and South America are also under consideration for EI so the future is bright!:)

    The East is also appealing as people can connect there, people from Kentucky or Iowa can fly to Newark and connection. Presumably EI hope to have some New Englanders fly on the new Hartford route and connect in Dub to other European destinations, Dallas already has flights to these places.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    ongarboy wrote: »
    .....
    Press reports today do mention future US destinations including Far East and South America are also under consideration for EI so the future is bright!:)

    Not going to happen I'm afraid. EI will be a transatlantic carrier only.
    Current CEO claims that "he never wanted to serve DXB back in 2006" And IAG will funnel EI traffic onto BA or IB services.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    MICKEYG wrote: »
    Fully agree, same in Boston when connecting with Jet Blue.
    I don't know why they can't arrange a bus to transfer connecting passengers airside to the United Terminal.
    I only use Aer Lingus for connection if through JFK, otherwise I use other airlines because it avoids the hassle of reclearing security.

    I think its an US side thing. All international flights use the 'International terminal. EI would like to arrive into Domestic terminals as it would be a better selling point. Especially being able to leverage eh CBP facilities.

    EG. a year or two ago, all flights in ORD were being turning back due to a closure of its airspace. A mate was operating the flight...they told ATC "no need, as we are pre-cleared we can use Rockford" which they did. All other EU flights ended up in Montreal or Toronto


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