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Is Israel a terrorist state?

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    #92
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    True.

    Time the Palestinians got over loosing their land too.

    And time the Irish people got over the famine.


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    #93
    El_Drago
    Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭El_Drago


    Jaap wrote: »
    I admire Israel because it looks after its people and it takes no nonsense from anyone...especially terrorists!!!

    care to elaborate about that ludicrous statement?


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    #94
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    And those deals were only achieved after the Arabs attacked Israel unfortunately to find that Israel wasn't going to just roll over and die.

    Even if what you say was correct, it doesn't change the fact that the claim being made was a false one, which is what I was replying too.


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    #95
    danbohan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭danbohan


    Selkies wrote: »
    Absolutely is has done damage to the sympathy given the Jewish people, however the Jewish people aren't responsible for the actions of the Israeli Government, that would be the Israeli people who voted for them.

    I really hope that you are not a racist, for your sake at least, they aren't very popular these days.

    holocaust denial is a crime , but then the denial of basic human rights by Israel is also a crime . part of the reason that israel behaves as it does is because of US support , this US support , Israel right or wrong is due to the Jewish lobby in US therfore it is not just the actions of israeli people

    thank you for your concern re my racism , i call a spade a spade , ogh shi...t that's racist too !


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    #96
    Selkies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭Selkies


    danbohan wrote: »
    holocaust denial is a crime , but then the denial of basic human rights by Israel is also a crime . part of the reason that israel behaves as it does is because of US support , this US support , Israel right or wrong is due to the Jewish lobby in US therfore it is not just the actions of israeli people

    thank you for your concern re my racism , i call a spade a spade , ogh shi...t that's racist too !

    actually it's due to a zionist movement that is made up of mostly fundamentalist Christians. You know, the guys that got George Bush elected.


    :P The man who could call a spade a spade should be compelled to use one. ;)


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    #97
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    Selkies wrote: »
    I've met a lot of jews and none of them have tried to guilt trip me...

    I don't think it was right for them to refuse the Jews entry. It made the Irish state as guilty as the nazi collaborators. I just said it was understandable, fear makes people do monsterous things.

    Then again we did show preference to the British pilots who crash landed in Ireland by transporting them across the border into northern Ireland where as the Germans were simply arrested.
    Well I lived amongst many Jewsish people and had/have some jewish fr8iends and believe me they do try to send us on guiolt trips for historic events. I just shrug it off and refuse to bother as what happened in WW2 does not bother me or interest me in how many died. What/who were/are Nazi collaborators? Personally I feel we were right to turn them away as we did not need any problems. The Germans who landed were treated with respect and were allowed freedom which is the right way to humanely treat POW's


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    #98
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Hamas (........)of that.

    I believe I asked you a question earlier.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66154997&postcount=23


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    #99
    oncevotedff
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭oncevotedff


    wes wrote: »
    Comments like this are in no way helpful towards the discussion. They are wrong and hurtful. There is no need for this sort of thing.

    I think that such comments are helpful and extremely revealing.

    Does anybody know of any studies that have been done on the anti-semitism to which Irish people are so prone? It's fascinating. I'm reminded of the story of the elderly Irish woman who was on a visit to Israel. When asked at passport control why she was visiting Israel she confided that she wanted to visit the site where the Jews murdered Jesus. :D


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    #100
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    oncevotedff wrote: »
    I think that such comments are helpful and extremely revealing.

    Does anybody know of any studies that have been done on the anti-semitism to which Irish people are so prone? It's fascinating. I'm reminded of the story of the elderly Irish woman who was on a visit to Israel. When asked at passport control why she was visiting Israel she confided that she wanted to visit the site where the Jews murdered Jesus. :D
    Well they helped the Romans to kill him. They sent him to his death.


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    #101
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    oncevotedff wrote: »
    I think (....)Jesus. :D

    If all you have to add to the discussion is vague implications of anti-semitism, then you've really nothing to add.


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    #102
    IrishTonyO
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Nodin wrote: »
    If all you have to add to the discussion is vague implications of anti-semitism, then you've really nothing to add.

    Have to say Nodin I always find it too difficult to follow your posts as you abbreviate what you are replying to, to a couple of words. Far too hard for people to go trawling back through the posts to see what you are replying to, to put it in context


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    #103
    ronanos
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    these crowd of arrogant Israelis are worse than Hitler ever was to any Jews.

    When are the UN going to invade and sort it out.

    Should Ireland tell the Israeli ambassador to take himself and the embassy out of our country.


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    #104
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    oncevotedff wrote: »
    I think that such comments are helpful and extremely revealing.

    Does anybody know of any studies that have been done on the anti-semitism to which Irish people are so prone? It's fascinating. I'm reminded of the story of the elderly Irish woman who was on a visit to Israel. When asked at passport control why she was visiting Israel she confided that she wanted to visit the site where the Jews murdered Jesus. :D

    Stuff like this isn't helpful either. Claiming Irish people are Anti-Semites, due to a single poster, who later clarified there post is absurd.


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    #105
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    Have to say(.....)to put it in context

    Post 100.....which is now Post 99, somebody having done something....


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    #106
    Kev_ps3
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    Yes they are an illegal terrorist state.


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    #107
    Sleepwalker73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ✭Sleepwalker73


    Israel used too much power.
    Video shows the "activists" did attack the Israeli military.

    Provocation, clearly

    And, YES, I don't work for Mossad, Israel, USA or any other party. Not jewish either - I'm an atheist (that's why I think BEFORE I post!)


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    #108
    IrishTonyO
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Sleepwalker73 wrote: »

    And, YES, I don't work for Mossad, Israel, USA or any other party. Not jewish either - I'm an atheist (that's why I think BEFORE I post!)

    Must be thinking a lot then as you only have 2 posts in over 2 years :D


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    #109
    Sleepwalker73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ✭Sleepwalker73


    Good for ya for noticing.

    I'm probably a Mossad "message board sleeper".

    Dangerous one!

    If seriously, this came from a Russian-speaking Irish message board: http://virtualireland.ru/showthread.php?t=39459

    AND!

    I got a LIFE -not spending it on message boards. You didn't get that CLUE?


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    #110
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Sleepwalker73 wrote: »
    Good for ya for noticing.

    I'm probably a Mossad "message board sleeper".

    Dangerous one!

    If seriously, this came from a Russian-speaking Irish message board: http://virtualireland.ru/showthread.php?t=39459

    AND!

    I got a LIFE -not spending it on message boards. You didn't get that CLUE?

    More thinking is required, I'm afraid - don't make it so I have to infract you on post number 3.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


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    #111
    Big Mouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Big Mouth


    You know how History has a habit of repeating itself, does anyone think if Israel carry on the way they are that the USA will turn their backs on Israel and yet again their very existence will be at stake....obivously not in the short term but in 50 / 100 years?? Its happened enough times already on Jews that its not entirely unfeasible!


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    #112
    murrayp4
    Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭murrayp4


    Lets not forget that last week the South African government published documents which showed that in the late '70s Israel was prepared to sell nuclear weapons to the apartheid regime . Food for thought.

    Linkywinky


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    #113
    Mr Trade In
    Registered Users Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭Mr Trade In


    Isreal is a Nuclear armed nation,they don't really need America,America needs them,they are a terrorist state, problem is they are almost untouchable because of the weaponry they have at their disposal.


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    #114
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ...unless that weaponry means they don't have to trade, yes indeed they are vulnerable.


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    #115
    Mister men
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Mister men


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    This thread seems to be more a generalized look at Israel, no? We have other discussions for this specific incident.

    The Israeli policy is "Israeli security and protecting Israeli lives above most other concerns."

    If you lived beside the sea in a country that could be cut in half by tanks in a few short hours, your grandparents came out of concentration camps, your schoolbuses are a favourite target for suicide bombers and rockets habitually land randomly on your country, you'd probably not be as quick to condemn a strong military defence.

    Military offence you mean no?


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    #116
    dan719
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭dan719


    itsonlywords wrote: »
    Ahh ok yes if that is what he is on about. Yes we were right at that time to refuse entry as we may have been attacked.

    Cowardice is not an excuse for doing nothing to alleviate the suffering of a race that was being exterminated.
    time they got over it.

    You are taking the piss, surely? Look at the numpties on these boards who claim that the Famine was genocide, or scream eight hundred years? And the Jews should just "get over" the death of six million people sixty years ago?


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    #117
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    dan719 wrote: »
    Cowardice is not an excuse for doing nothing to alleviate the suffering of a race that was being exterminated.

    I agree, which is why the siege of Gaza needs to end asap.
    dan719 wrote: »
    You are taking the piss, surely? Look at the numpties on these boards who claim that the Famine was genocide, or scream eight hundred years? And the Jews should just "get over" the death of six million people sixty years ago?

    Sure, I don't expect anyone to get over historical wrongs, but when they use them to murder, steal from, and treat other people like ****, then I think it fair to have an issue with there actions.


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    #118
    dan719
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭dan719


    wes wrote: »
    I agree, which is why the siege of Gaza needs to end asap.



    Sure, I don't expect anyone to get over historical wrongs, but when they use them to murder, steal from, and treat other people like ****, then I think it fair to have an issue with there actions.

    The siege of Gaza is not genocide.

    When has Israel used the Holocaust as an excuse to "murder, steal....". What happened yesterday wasn't murder. A PR Cock up yes, a successful martyrdom mission for Pro Hamas nutjobs, definitely, murder, not so much.


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    #119
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    dan719 wrote: »
    The siege of Gaza is not genocide.
    Why is it not genoicde? According to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, ironically drawn up in 1948 in the aftermath of WW2:
    "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."


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    #120
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    dan719 wrote: »
    The siege of Gaza is not genocide.

    Of course it isn't, yet.

    It still however needs to be opposed, as it is an illegal act of collective punishment against 1.5 million people. Also, a prime example of Israel being a terrorist state, as there act of collecitive punishment is aimed at all 1.5 million people.
    dan719 wrote: »
    When has Israel used the Holocaust as an excuse to "murder, steal....". What happened yesterday wasn't murder. A PR Cock up yes, a successful martyrdom mission for Pro Hamas nutjobs, definitely, murder, not so much.

    Israeli leaders invoke the Holocaust on a pretty regular basis:
    Don't use the Holocaust to define an Iranian nuclear bomb

    It is laughable to deny that Israel doesn't invoke the Holocaust on a regular basis to justify there many murderous outrages, land theft, denial of Human rights etc. Its is very well known.

    Also, to claim that the floatilla people were on a martyrdom mission is absurd, they were there to break the siege, and no one taught, that the IDF would go on a murder spree, like they did. The IDF are murderers, and it is another example of Israel credentials as a terrorist state.


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    #121
    PomBear
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    Sleepwalker73 wrote: »
    Israel used too much power.
    Video shows the "activists" did attack the Israeli military.

    Provocation, clearly

    And, YES, I don't work for Mossad, Israel, USA or any other party. Not jewish either - I'm an atheist (that's why I think BEFORE I post!)

    someone pushed me in a nightclub last night, does that mean I can shoot him?

    Provocation is no justification


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