Is Israel a terrorist state?

Don't really care what people call them as I can't do much about it anyway, but my own problem with israel is that they believe they have a "god given right" to land that isn't theirs....as an atheist, you can see the issue there.

Deep Easterly wrote: »

But is it not a war, as you claim? or is it only a war when Isreal fire rockets?

Hamas thinks it is at war with Israel. I daresay it would be poor national security policy to ignore this.

Deep Easterly wrote: »

Hamas 'thinks' it is at war with Isreal, while Isreal knows it is at war with Hamas?

The selective definitions we will come up with to justify the oppression and regular slaugher of innocent people.

Hamas regularly f***s high explosive rockets into Israel with no discrimination to where they land, and likely the hopes that they land on something packed with a lot of people for maximum effect.

If I was the Israeli people, I'd take a rather dim view of that.

Euroland wrote: »

Another Israely propaganda bull****?

wow such a articulate piece of analysis on this very complex topic, and good spelling too.

Personally I have no dog in this fight so I really don't care how may on each side are killed, but I would much prefer if it was 0

I believe that Israelites are racist towards Jewish people and favour Jewish people.

But that does not mean that they should be wiped off the face of the earth, which is what Palestinians wish to see happen.

Yes they are a terrorist state.

Those rockets are used only for defense, and extend of damage from them is microscopic relatively to the extend of genocide conducted by Israel against Palestinians on a daily basis.

Some defence, firing unguided rockets in the general direction of civilian population centers.

And suicide bombings on schoolbusses?

If Israel is a terrorist state, what does that make Hamas run Gaza?

Yes it is , fundamentally,arrogantly and unashamedly so

Nijmegen wrote: »

Some defence, firing unguided rockets in the general direction of civilian population centers.

And suicide bombings on schoolbusses?

No suicide bombings for a few years last I checked. Irregardless, Hamas's actions are of course, wrong, just like Israel illegal siege, and there own murderous assaults on civilians.

Nijmegen wrote: »

If Israel is a terrorist state, what does that make Hamas run Gaza?

The thread is about Israel not Hamas, who are a terrorist organization, and imho the IDF are no different to them. The IDF and the Israeli government should be put on the EU list of terrorists asap, as we really wouldn't want to be one sided, and only condemn one group of terrorists, and ignore the other far bigger, and more murderour terrorist (the IDF).

Euroland wrote: »

You are an Israeli, working for the Israeli propaganda machine, and we can easily notice this.

:rolleyes:

Israel - rogue state most definitely, heavy handed yes, walking a legal tightrope yes, frequently out of order yes. Terrorist state - not so much.

You are an Israeli, working for the Israeli propaganda machine, and we can easily notice this.

Cheers. I'm not.

No suicide bombings for a few years last I checked. Irregardless, Hamas's actions are of course, wrong, just like Israel illegal siege, and there own murderous assaults on civilians.

Somewhere else I've seen people complaining about the tight border controls, colour coded ID's and so on in Israel. That's why there have been no suicide bombings.

I agree completely that both sides are wrong. But Israel has shown a willingness to come to the table with moderates, that Hamas has not.

The thread is about Israel not Hamas, who are a terrorist organization, and imho the IDF are no different to them. The IDF and the Israeli government should be put on the EU list of terrorists asap, as we really wouldn't want to be one sided, and only condemn one group of terrorists, and ignore the other far bigger, and more murderour terrorist (the IDF).

Israeli actions do not occur in a vacuum. By that token, the allies who fire bombed Hamburg and Berlin should be classed terrorists. That was their stated aim.

Nijmegen wrote: »

Somewhere else I've seen people complaining about the tight border controls, colour coded ID's and so on in Israel. That's why there have been no suicide bombings.

Palestinian groups stopped them, and what you describe is just the same old racist apartheid Israel has always engaged in.

Nijmegen wrote: »

I agree completely that both sides are wrong. But Israel has shown a willingness to come to the table with moderates, that Hamas has not.

Israel is stealing land in East Jerusalem, and the West Bank, which shows your above claim to be untrue. Israel wants land, and have shown this consistently.

Nijmegen wrote: »

Israeli actions do not occur in a vacuum. By that token, the allies who fire bombed Hamburg and Berlin should be classed terrorists. That was their stated aim.

No, they don't occur in a vacuum. They are a part of there attempt to steal as much land as they can. So, your comparison should be flipped imho. Israel wants land, and is constantly stealing it.

I admire Israel because it looks after its people and it takes no nonsense from anyone...especially terrorists!!!

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

And that was also the justification used by the Nazi's for the holocaust - rounding up jews, communists, gypsies etc meant their rear did't get attacked. I hate to go all godwin, but just because something is classified as anti terrorism does not mean it is right.



They were at war.... And even the Nazi's didn't attack aid convoys.

Umm, the Jews in Nazi Germany weren't blowing up school busses or firing rockets into the Tiergarten on a sunny day.

And yes, they did. As did the Allies.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Becasue they had all been rounded up. So does the end not justify the means then? Or let me guess, its somehow different when Israel breaches civil liberties at will?



No they didn't...

You state the original justification for the tagging of Jews and others. The original justification Israel has is kids, little innocent kids getting blown up on busses by suicide bombers. And yes, Israel has killed kids in Palestine. But the difference I think is that Israel has proven it will talk to moderates for peace. Hamas is not moderate.

As for taking out aid convoys and others, yes, they did. Bombing civilians and other noncombat groups to drive them into the logistical supply lines of advancing armies was one such tactic used.