season 5 what do expect? (for book readers)

Mr.Prodston · 22-10-2014 12:19pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

MAJOR DEVIATIONS FROM THE BOOK AHOY!!! BEWARE SPOILERS!!
So much for dragging out Tyrion's journey through Essos

I don't know how to feel about that but what I do know is that if by some sheer miracle I would really appreciate the next book being released before next season. Stating the obvious and preaching to the choir there I know :pac:

Although I guess they may have given a good stab at solving

the Meereenese Knot

Mr Freeze · 22-10-2014 12:26pm

Based on that, could

Aegon

be cut completely?

Not sure how to feel about this, but maybe T is part of Hizzdars entourage! and Hizzdar and Yezzan are being merged.

FunLover18 · 22-10-2014 12:29pm

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Based on that, could
Aegon
be cut completely?

Not sure how to feel about this, but maybe T is part of Hizzdars entourage! and Hizzdar and Yezzan are being merged.

I think we're looking at the final episode, maybe final scene so there probably is still some room for

Aegon and Griff

in the opening episodes

Sleepy · 22-10-2014 12:40pm

And the fact that the two mediums have to be treated as separate stories just rammed itself home in my brain...

Mr.Prodston · 22-10-2014 12:43pm

The casting must surely be complete by now though. Has there been any more than that list that was mainly for Dorne, the High Sparrow etc over the summer?

If not it seems there's no Arriane, Aegon, Griff but most importantly the supreme badass mastermind of the North...Wyman Manderley :eek:

But I haven't been paying attention for the last few months really.

TimeToShine · 22-10-2014 2:24pm

No Greyjoys, no Aegon, Tyrion/Dany's first encounter spoiled on TV :mad:

I really, really hope we get a 2015 release.

podgemonster · 22-10-2014 2:39pm

Any sign of Quentyn?

2ndcoming · 22-10-2014 3:10pm

podgemonster wrote: »

Any sign of Quentyn?

Fully expected

Quentyn

to be the first one culled when they were trimming the fat off the AFFC/ADWD storylines in fairness.

Apart from

watching him get toasted

the story doesn't really offer that much.

GerB40 · 22-10-2014 4:30pm

2ndcoming wrote: »

Fully expected
Quentyn
to be the first one culled when they were trimming the fat off the AFFC/ADWD storylines in fairness.

Apart from
watching him get toasted
the story doesn't really offer that much.

That really annoyed me. His story had so much potential..

podgemonster · 22-10-2014 4:49pm

2ndcoming wrote: »

Apart from
watching him get toasted
the story doesn't really offer that much.

All it does offer is in the book context

is that his death (however much is own fault) breaks whatever alliance could have been forged between Dany and Dorne. And will shift Prince Doran to backing Aegon and Griff assuming he can marry off Arianne.

Although with Quentyn, Aegon and Griff cut it looks like it all will be very different.

I'll still watch it and love every second of it.

Duckworth_Luas · 22-10-2014 5:08pm

podgemonster wrote: »

Although with ... Aegon ... cut it looks like it all will be very different.

No reason to believe he's been cut, any number of ways he could be introduced next season or even the end of this season.

Kunkka · 22-10-2014 5:11pm

There are many theories that Quentyn is still alive so this is all quite strange... I'm really not liking what they are doing with the story next season

GhostInTheRuins · 22-10-2014 5:20pm

podgemonster wrote: »

Any sign of Quentyn?

Why bother? He was the most pointless character in the entire series.

These changes sound good to me. The last thing anyone would want is a scene by scene filming of feast/dance. It looks like Dany and Tyrion will actually do something in season 5, which can only be a good thing!

Actually it's kind of funny that GRRM spent years trying to sort out his "meereenese knot" and D&D seem to have worked it out in a few months :pac:

Hibbeler · 22-10-2014 8:33pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

I really, really hope we get a 2015 release.

Probably a bit too much for us to ask. I'd be happy to let him finish his story at his own pace.

December2012 · 22-10-2014 8:44pm

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Why bother? He was the most pointless character in the entire series.

These changes sound good to me. The last thing anyone would want is a scene by scene filming of feast/dance. It looks like Dany and Tyrion will actually do something in season 5, which can only be a good thing!

Actually it's kind of funny that GRRM spent years trying to sort out his "meereenese knot" and D&D seem to have worked it out in a few months :pac:

Yeah but the meereenese knot was caused because GRRM wanted to age up the children and wanted to do a time jump of 5 years. When that wasn't working out (because of too many flashbacks to explain what actually happened in the interim) he had to s-t-r-e-t-c-h out Danys storyline.

Witcher · 22-10-2014 8:52pm

GRRM's UK publisher was linked an article on Twitter back in September that supposedly quoted her as saying it would not be a 2015 release, she replied to the tweet with:

" 'Not a 2015 release'. No change there as far as I'm aware."

The original article she was linked was replaced with a different one but her tweet is still up.

Skylinehead · 22-10-2014 10:05pm

Not quite sure where to put this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-29727632

Great news.

GerB40 · 22-10-2014 10:09pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Not quite sure where to put this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-29727632

Great news.

That's great to hear.

GhostInTheRuins · 22-10-2014 11:03pm

Blay wrote: »

GRRM's UK publisher was linked an article on Twitter back in September that supposedly quoted her as saying it would not be a 2015 release, she replied to the tweet with:

" 'Not a 2015 release'. No change there as far as I'm aware."

The original article she was linked was replaced with a different one but her tweet is still up.

Christmas 2014 it is so :cool:

Mr.Prodston · 22-10-2014 11:21pm

The World of Ice and Fire is out next week so should keep us going for a little while anyway

Frankie5Angels · 23-10-2014 11:26am

Kunkka wrote: »

There are many theories that Quentyn is still alive so this is all quite strange... I'm really not liking what they are doing with the story next season

Wha? Where?

"It took three days for the Prince of Dorne to die". I actually laughed at the last line of that chapter "oh" :pac:

I just finished the books last night, bit sad. In the series, they could probably leave out Tyrion's fannying about and Quentyn Martell and I'm not really sure what the point of FFC was.

ArmaniJeanss · 24-10-2014 11:49am

Frankie5Angels wrote: »

Wha? Where?

I think there is effectively a theory about anyone who has died, basically its possibly to grab a few lines here, a bit of speech there etc and make a case for any of them to be alive.
Heres the 'Quentyn is alive' evidence.

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61463-the-dragon-rider-adwd-spoilers/

Frankie5Angels wrote: »

I'm not really sure what the point of FFC was.

You'll find its your favourite book on your reread in a few years.

alex69 · 25-10-2014 11:53pm

When coming out?

Son0vagun · 26-10-2014 12:15pm

You only have to read The Queen and The Princess to know that Quentyn Martell is alive.

December2012 · 26-10-2014 2:29pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

You only have to read The Queen and The Princess to know that Quentyn Martell is alive.

???

Do explain!

Son0vagun · 26-10-2014 4:29pm

December2012 wrote: »

???

Do explain!

Have you read The Queen and the Princess?

FunLover18 · 26-10-2014 4:52pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

Have you read The Queen and the Princess?

I haven't …

December2012 · 26-10-2014 5:52pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

Have you read The Queen and the Princess?

Yep. I'm not disbelieving you or being smart - I'm genuinely trying to recall a similarity.

Son0vagun · 27-10-2014 12:02am

December2012 wrote: »

Yep. I'm not disbelieving you or being smart - I'm genuinely trying to recall a similarity.

Dragonseeds?

December2012 · 27-10-2014 10:40am

Son0vagun wrote: »

Dragonseeds?

So his blood of the dragon saved him?

Son0vagun · 27-10-2014 5:33pm

It is suggested that those of Targaryen Blood or Ancestry had what it took to master/tame Dragons.

Witcher · 27-10-2014 5:36pm

How did that save him from being laced by dragonfire?

GerB40 · 27-10-2014 5:44pm

Is The Queen & The Princess a separate novel? I seriously want to nerd up on Westerosi lore so where should I start?

Son0vagun · 27-10-2014 5:49pm

GerB40 wrote: »

Is The Queen & The Princess a separate novel? I seriously want to nerds up on Westerosi lore so where should I start?

Start with the Dunk & Egg Tales

Witcher · 27-10-2014 5:49pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

We were told he was! But did we see it?

Yes, from his own POV;

When he raised his whip, he saw that the lash was
burning. His hand as well. All of him, all of him was
burning. Oh , he thought. Then he began to scream.

December2012 · 27-10-2014 5:56pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

It is suggested that those of Targaryen Blood or Ancestry had what it took to master/tame Dragons.

Yeah except that didn't save

Rhaenyra

now did it?

GerB40 · 27-10-2014 5:58pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

Start with the Dunk & Egg Tales

Nice one. I've heard about these and Dunk (Ser Duncan the tall?) seems like an interesting character.

One more question, are the Dunk and Egg Tales one book or a series of books like ASOIAF?

Son0vagun · 27-10-2014 6:02pm

Blay wrote: »

How did that save him from being laced by dragonfire?

He gets engulfed in Furnace Wind, not fire, and only notices his hand is on fire when he sees it, he doesn't feel it.

You should google the theory.

December2012 · 27-10-2014 6:03pm

So far there are three dunk and egg novellas

The hedge knight
The sworn sword
The mystery knight

Son0vagun · 27-10-2014 6:03pm

GerB40 wrote: »

Nice one. I've heard about these and Dunk (Ser Duncan the tall?) seems like an interesting character.

One more question, are the Dunk and Egg Tales one book or a series of books like ASOIAF?

They are short stories that are only available in collection. Try google.

Frankie5Angels · 28-10-2014 1:21am

Son0vagun wrote: »

He gets engulfed in Furnace Wind, not fire, and only notices his hand is on fire when he sees it, he doesn't feel it.

You should google the theory.

But he begins to scream, so surely he does feel it?

Son0vagun · 28-10-2014 9:34am

Frankie5Angels wrote: »

But he begins to scream, so surely he does feel it?

There's no way GRRM would introduce a new character like Quentyn just to kill him off. He's the second head of the dragon.

The Quentyn theory is worth a read. As is the Dorne Conspiracy.

ArmaniJeanss · 28-10-2014 10:42am

Frankie5Angels wrote: »

But he begins to scream, so surely he does feel it?

He only begins to scream after he sees that he is on fire, a possible implication being that he doesn't actually feel the flame.
Its a curiously constructed sentence by GRRM.

Son0vagun · 28-10-2014 10:50am

And Targaryens can get burnt, but Dragon fire is magic!

Gbear · 28-10-2014 4:32pm

Very worried about these changes.

I felt that some things have really started to wobble a bit in the last couple of seasons but doing a complete rewrite of the entire story is taking it a bit far.

FunLover18 · 28-10-2014 5:17pm

Gbear wrote: »

Very worried about these changes.

I felt that some things have really started to wobble a bit in the last couple of seasons but doing a complete rewrite of the entire story is taking it a bit far.

I don't think it's complete rewrite. I think they're rewriting in an attempt to speed things up. They've only got two seasons left after this one and it's pretty clear in the books that

Tyrion and Dany will meet

duploelabs · 28-10-2014 6:45pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

I don't think it's complete rewrite. I think they're rewriting in an attempt to speed things up. They've only got two seasons left after this one and it's pretty clear in the books that
Tyrion and Dany will meet

According to the photographs they

already have them meeting in the coming season

Witcher · 28-10-2014 6:50pm

duploelabs wrote: »

According to the photographs they
already have them meeting in the coming season

That's what he means, they're speeding that up because of time constraints.

I don't mind any of the changes really, the series needs a good fcuking editing truth be told.

Barna77 · 04-11-2014 5:08pm

I can't unsee the leaked pics of

Daenery's wedding

:mad::mad:

Mr.Prodston · 09-01-2015 1:32am

Season 5 starts on April 12th.

Seems about 2 weeks later than normal but I presume Easter falls the week before.

http://m.ie.ign.com/articles/2015/01/08/game-of-thrones-season-5-premiere-date-announced

season 5 what do expect? (for book readers)

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