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dfx- · 20-04-2012 4:15pm

CIE wrote: »

How would you have reacted if the original ND plan of turning the 68 into a Red Cow-Newcastle shuttle route to/from the Luas had come to fruition instead, and that fact slipped your mind?

That's like saying you weren't kicked in the nether regions, so it's not that bad..

But the 68 did have exceptionally low loadings..I was the only one left on the bus before Clondalkin on the evening services..

Bobby42 · 20-04-2012 5:27pm

So with the 27 going back to Clarehall people in Blunden Drive, Millbrook, and Edenmore will be left with a frequency of 30 to 45 minutes while people in Coolock get better than 10 minute frequency, sound.

Stevek101 · 26-04-2012 3:35pm

A few extra bits of info are now available from the Network Direct section on DB's website.

Route 1

Route 1 will serve Shanard and will provide a 20 minute service travelling via Swords Road, Drumcondra, Dorset Street, Parnell Square, O'Connell Street, Townsend Street, Pearse Street, Ringsend, Irishtown and Sandymount.

Shanard » Swords Road » Drumcondra Rail Station » Dorset Street » Parnell Square » O'Connell Street » Townsend Street » Pearse Street » Ringsend » Irishtown » Sandymount.

Route 44

Route 3will be amalgamated with Route 44 and will operate from Larkhill to Kilternan. Between 7am and 9.30 Monday to Friday it will have a 30 minute service travelling southbound and then it will revert to an hourly service. The revised Route 44 will provide a direct link to Drumcondra Rail Station, O'Connell Street Merrion Square/Clare Street, Ranelagh, Dundrum Town Centre, Stepaside and Kilternan. It will provide direct connections to the Green Luas and Red Luas lines.

Larkhill » Swords Road » Drumcondra Rail Station » Dorset Street » O'Connell Street » Merrion Square/Clare Street » Ranelagh » Dundrum Town Centre » Stepaside » Kilternan.

I would hope the new 16 will avoid Shantalla to save on a bit of time Airport bound. That is of course if the 1 serves Shantalla...

Boulevardier · 26-04-2012 3:39pm

So no Enniskerry-Dublin service? How about even a bus fromm Enniskerry to the Luas?

Stevek101 · 26-04-2012 3:50pm

The 185 will take over the job by offering a connection to the city, this route is no longer being withdrawn. I didn't think it was being taken out of Enniskerry but the loadings were said to be very poor on that stretch of the route.

Boulevardier · 26-04-2012 4:04pm

The 185 goes to Bray, not the city.

Loadings are usually pretty good on the 44. It is particularly vital on weekends when score of walkers use it.

will there not even be a connection to the Luas?

I fear for the shopkeepers of Enniskerry as well as the walkers. This is an absolute disaster.

Stevek101 · 26-04-2012 4:40pm

I meant 185 will offer a connection to the city through the DART/145. It is a surprise as I thought it would continue on the original 44 route.

We shall see what happens, I think it is due to be implemented on the 6th May. If that is the case it'll have to be posted on the website by Monday evening.

Boulevardier · 26-04-2012 5:30pm

Having to go to the city via Bray, when there is a Dublin Bus terminating 2 miles up the road, is a disaster.

Surely there has to be at least a service to the nearest Luas stop?

stop · 26-04-2012 7:54pm

This is a joke! 44 is used by tonnes of walkers! Between the cuts to the 161, 44b, and 201 over the last few years, it's getting impossible to get to the mountains on the Weekend by Dublin Bus!

The_Wrecker · 26-04-2012 8:34pm

I was looking at the bill a few days ago and Enniskerry was on it, can anyone give a link to the Dublin bus site info as i cant find it.

dazmetron · 26-04-2012 8:55pm

The_Wrecker wrote: »

I was looking at the bill a few days ago and Enniskerry was on it, can anyone give a link to the Dublin bus site info as i cant find it.

It's well hidden. No mention of Enniskerry

A2000 · 26-04-2012 9:17pm

No mention of Enniskerry[/Quote]
79 info is from parkwest to beaumont hosp but it will serve castletimon but its not mentioned either. May be just an oversight?

Stl150 · 26-04-2012 9:32pm

75 and 175 now moved to summer 2012

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct---Implemented-Phases/Tallaght-Walkinstown-Crumlin-Road-South-Circular-Road-Pearse-Street-and-Sandymount/

The_Wrecker · 26-04-2012 9:36pm

dazmetron wrote: »

It's well hidden. No mention of Enniskerry

Ive been making calls, this could be a mistake on DB's behalf as the bill states Enniskerry.

caz34 · 26-04-2012 9:40pm

So the 3 link from UCD to Sydney Parade will go. Will it be replaced by anything? It is well used in the Evening going to the dart, less so in the opposite direction.

The_Wrecker · 26-04-2012 9:47pm

caz34 wrote: »

So the 3 link from UCD to Sydney Parade will go. Will it be replaced by anything? It is well used in the Evening going to the dart, less so in the opposite direction.

From memory the 2 is going to do ucd>parnel sq only. They also want(to be decided) to reroute the 47 from the Merrion rd to go via Ringsend to Fleet st.

The_Wrecker · 26-04-2012 9:53pm

The 44 Enniskerry (or lack of) link dates back to Friday, July 22, 2011.

dazmetron · 26-04-2012 10:42pm

The_Wrecker wrote: »

The 44 Enniskerry (or lack of) link dates back to Friday, July 22, 2011.

I didn't spot that. I don't remember if that was picked up on this thread back in July 2011!

Hopefully you are right about db making a mistake about this on the website. I would be more inclined to believe the bill that you have seen particularly if the web information is that old.

Stevek101 · 26-04-2012 11:50pm

The_Wrecker wrote: »

The 44 Enniskerry (or lack of) link dates back to Friday, July 22, 2011.

It has been updated in the past few days with the title date left unchanged.

Route 3/a will operate alternate journeys from Parnell Square to Larkhill and Shanard Road via Dorset Street and Drumcondra.

Cached copy of the original version which is quoted above (from only the other day 21/4/12) can be seen here.

CIE · 27-04-2012 9:21am

I still say that the 2 should have been extended to Shanard Road and the 3A not even created. Run the 2 as Shanard Road-Belfield and the 3 as Larkhill-St. John's Church. Who to talk to at DB that has some influence?

LXFlyer · 27-04-2012 10:42am

I strongly suspect the 44 listing is an error - there is no way that will not operate to/from Enniskerry.

As I read it the plan is:

Route 44 Larkhill - Enniskerry (it has to be Enniskerry and not Kilternan).
Route 1 Shanard Road - Sandymount

The plans for the 2 and 3/a would appear thankfully to have been shelved.

Boulevardier · 27-04-2012 12:10pm

Hope you are right LX.

Anyone who finds out for certain, please let us know!

A2000 · 27-04-2012 12:20pm

Route 221 has been cancelled.

Annasopra · 27-04-2012 1:42pm

lxflyer wrote: »

I strongly suspect the 44 listing is an error - there is no way that will not operate to/from Enniskerry.

As I read it the plan is:

Route 44 Larkhill - Enniskerry (it has to be Enniskerry and not Kilternan).
Route 1 Shanard Road - Sandymount

The plans for the 2 and 3/a would appear thankfully to have been shelved.

It seems db made a mistake on their website and they've changed it

LXFlyer · 27-04-2012 2:00pm

It had to be - there was never any suggestion of any cuts to services to/from Enniskerry.

LXFlyer · 27-04-2012 2:35pm

Boulevardier wrote: »

Hope you are right LX.

Anyone who finds out for certain, please let us know!

Tis fixed now!

Stevek101 · 27-04-2012 6:03pm

It good that this is all sorted now. The changes for the Swords QBC actually improve the network a fair amount.

The_Wrecker · 27-04-2012 11:17pm

Boulevardier wrote: »

Hope you are right LX.

Anyone who finds out for certain, please let us know!

A few calls last night and an email this morning and all is sorted out ~ the 44 was an error spotted by internet users.

Boulevardier · 28-04-2012 10:33am

(Sigh of relief)!

dublinman1990 · 30-04-2012 10:57pm

Thank God; I'm back. My hard drive of 350GB went completely on Tuesday the 10th of April. I only had it back only this evening after having it fixed in Rathgar for 2 weeks.

Anyway; Moving on.

How is the the new look 104 route from Clontarf (Conquer Hill) to Shanard (Santry) going? The new timetable looks very similar to the 53 IMO.

If you don't know what I am talking about; here it is.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/104/

I think that is a first for the 104 IMO!:D

Also, the earlier OP about the 45/84 merger was inevitable anyway IMO. A lot of faces around my locality will be well disappointed with this development. I am bit puzzled on the new 45a routing through Loughlinstown as well. If 'Loughlinstown' is meant to be on the N11 side, there could be a perception to the resident's opinion that it is in some way controversial.

LXFlyer · 01-05-2012 6:30am

Glad to see the standard of unbelievably bizarre posts continues. There is no change to the 104 timetable, just the routing. What that has to do with the 53 I have no idea.

As I said above I would strongly suspect that the 45a routing north of Bray will be unchanged.

markpb · 01-05-2012 9:08am

lxflyer wrote: »

Glad to see the standard of unbelievably bizarre posts continues. There is no change to the 104 timetable, just the routing. What that has to do with the 53 I have no idea.

I guess he means it's a consistent, hourly timetable?

LXFlyer · 01-05-2012 9:57am

But it's been like that since last year!!

markpb · 01-05-2012 10:47am

lxflyer wrote: »

But it's been like that since last year!!

Maybe be just noticed

The_Wrecker · 01-05-2012 11:15am

dublinman1990 wrote: »

If 'Loughlinstown' is meant to be on the N11 side, there could be a perception to the resident's opinion that it is in some way controversial.

Route staying the same in this area, they are referring to Cromlech fields area.

LXFlyer · 01-05-2012 11:16am

markpb wrote: »

Maybe be just noticed

Quite possibly given the history of posts from this individual.

dublinman1990 · 01-05-2012 12:30pm

Here is something to preview. A look at a bus showing a Vodafone AOA showing the upcoming new route 1 to Shanard.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48993163@N05/7129595335/in/photostream/

Do you think that this route will stay in Ringsend Garage rather than in Donnybrook?

thomasj · 01-05-2012 12:54pm

Was just wondering could a merger of the 123 and 130 work?

Let's say if the 123 was to continue its normal route to the terminus and then turn right to the malahide road and left to the clontarf road before continuing to the 130 terminus. Could it work?

It would be linking clontarf to malahide road to the south side.

Stevek101 · 01-05-2012 1:04pm

thomasj wrote: »

Was just wondering could a merger of the 123 and 130 work?

Let's say if the 123 was to continue its normal route to the terminus and then turn right to the malahide road and left to the clontarf road before continuing to the 130 terminus. Could it work?

It would be linking clontarf to malahide road to the south side.

The 123 was to originally move to Clontarf garage around the time when it was converted to a double decker operation. I'd be pretty sure this idea was considered as some point. I would think reliability would be a problem as bunching is a serious issue with the 123. At peak hours the "every 10 minutes" rarely is stuck to.

LXFlyer · 01-05-2012 1:25pm

I doubt the people of Clontarf would appreciate a second doubling back of the bus route to be honest thomasj - many of them already have a dog leg in Clontarf!

thomasj · 01-05-2012 1:57pm

lxflyer wrote: »

I doubt the people of Clontarf would appreciate a second doubling back of the bus route to be honest thomasj - many of them already have a dog leg in Clontarf!

That's a fair point. I didn't know how long the clontarf leg of the 130 was. That's some doubling up!

Was thinking the opening up of the south side would benefit people. But true the philipsburgh/Marino leg would probably annoy people.

stop · 01-05-2012 3:12pm

I thought 150/130 would be a logical enough merger?

dublinman1990 · 01-05-2012 10:47pm

I just discovered now that Dublin Bus have unveiled these Media Releases (which were formally called Press Releases) about Network Direct.

The ND page on the routes on both Dublin's North & Southside gives you statistics on how passengers have been using the buses since the project began. So far and I mean SO FAR, the percentages here are very small in three areas and will would give a shock of what has been done to them recently, or very long ago in that respect. A comment one route in Finglas, namely route 40 of not having the grounds of a statistic apart from a comment is sheer arrogance IMO.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Press-Releases-Archive/Media-Releases-2011/Progress-in-2011/

The other page gives a overview or possible bias on the 'new' southside routes and RTPI. They say here that route 15 is 'new'; which is obviously not, it has been around Dublin for ages for heaven's sake.:mad:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Press-Releases/Dublin-Bus-Network-Direct-means-increased-Cross-City-services-for-residents-of-South-Dublin/

DB need to explain something here IMO.

Ben D Bus · 01-05-2012 11:14pm

Any rumours on when the 79 will be ND'd to Amiens St and beyond?

Could have done with it this morning, instead of the walk in the rain

dfx- · 02-05-2012 1:02am

Presumably due to the ND changes, Ringsend need low-floor buses and Conyngham Road have spare buses (since they have halved their operation of the 40/13 from the 78A and 51B/C).

Definitely AV415 and possibly AV414 have already moved east to Ringsend...anyone know if anymore of that excellent batch of buses are moving..or how many more Ringsend need, given the amount of RVs they have

Cookie_Monster · 02-05-2012 3:05am

dublinman1990 wrote: »

A comment one route in Finglas, namely route 40 of not having the grounds of a statistic apart from a comment is sheer arrogance IMO.

want to repeat that in english?

dublinman1990 wrote: »

The other page gives a overview or possible bias on the 'new' southside routes and RTPI. They say here that route 15 is 'new'; which is obviously not, it has been around Dublin for ages for heaven's sake.:mad:
.

no where does it say 15 is a new route, just that it has been extended.

DB wrote:

Blanchardstown QBC- Passenger numbers increased by 4%
Stillorgan QBC- Passenger numbers increased by 2%
Lucan QBC- Passenger numbers increased by 4%

in relation to when though, Pre ND, 2010, 2011, last week? I thought DB pax had dropped significantly in the last few years as per reported figures, yet pax are also up, doesn't really add up IMO. The N11 corridor for example has seen no real changes in terms of extra routes, just some freq change and removal of some duplicated routes. Given an overal pax decrease in the 8%* range iirc how can they still manage to be up 2% here?

edit* 7.2% in 2010, not avail for 2011 yet...

AlekSmart · 02-05-2012 6:26am

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Any rumours on when the 79 will be ND'd to Amiens St and beyond?

Could have done with it this morning, instead of the walk in the rain

Ben,It seems the 79 and 27B are next up for engagement....;)

LXFlyer · 02-05-2012 9:05am

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I just discovered now that Dublin Bus have unveiled these Media Releases (which were formally called Press Releases) about Network Direct.

The ND page on the routes on both Dublin's North & Southside gives you statistics on how passengers have been using the buses since the project began. So far and I mean SO FAR, the percentages here are very small in three areas and will would give a shock of what has been done to them recently, or very long ago in that respect. A comment one route in Finglas, namely route 40 of not having the grounds of a statistic apart from a comment is sheer arrogance IMO.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Press-Releases-Archive/Media-Releases-2011/Progress-in-2011/

The other page gives a overview or possible bias on the 'new' southside routes and RTPI. They say here that route 15 is 'new'; which is obviously not, it has been around Dublin for ages for heaven's sake.:mad:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Press-Releases/Dublin-Bus-Network-Direct-means-increased-Cross-City-services-for-residents-of-South-Dublin/

DB need to explain something here IMO.

Personally I think it is you that needs to explain what it is you are trying to say as it is coming across as gibberish.

Firstly, look at the date of the press release. It is dated in December. The 40 and 78a were only merged in November. There are not going to be any statistics/trends to report within that short time frame with regard to that route. The other three corridors changed in 2010 and there would have been a full year's statistics to report. Before making wild accusations, perhaps it tends to be a sensible move to have one's facts correct?

Secondly, given DB passenger numbers were in decline in recent years, I think any form of increase is good news. No one was expecting 20% increases, given capacity was also being cut.

Finally, there is not a single mention whatsoever of the word "new" in relation to the 15 in the second article. The article refers to improvements to route 15, which are the increase in frequency and the merger with route 128 to create an extended cross-city route.

That piece is aimed at getting people to use the bus who currently don't, and may not be aware of the extended routes that have been created by the mergers.

Frankly I think you need to stop and think a bit more before making these sort of daft posts.

KD345 · 02-05-2012 9:43am

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I just discovered now that Dublin Bus have unveiled these Media Releases (which were formally called Press Releases) about Network Direct.

I really try to understand your posts but most of the time it's impossible. I'm not sure if you're actually having a laugh, as I don't know what media releases, press releases or getting your hard drive repaired in Rathgar has to do with Network Direct.

The ND page on the routes on both Dublin's North & Southside gives you statistics on how passengers have been using the buses since the project began. So far and I mean SO FAR, the percentages here are very small in three areas and will would give a shock of what has been done to them recently, or very long ago in that respect. A comment one route in Finglas, namely route 40 of not having the grounds of a statistic apart from a comment is sheer arrogance IMO.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Press-Releases-Archive/Media-Releases-2011/Progress-in-2011/

It's always possible to spin numbers to suit a survey, but perhaps more people are actually using the revised services. Bear in mind some of these new routes replaced others, meaning more passengers now use a high frequency corridor instead of a meandering route. Can you explain how Dublin Bus were arrogant towards route 40?

The other page gives a overview or possible bias on the 'new' southside routes and RTPI. They say here that route 15 is 'new'; which is obviously not, it has been around Dublin for ages for heaven's sake.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Press-Releases/Dublin-Bus-Network-Direct-means-increased-Cross-City-services-for-residents-of-South-Dublin/

DB need to explain something here IMO.

Can you point out where they say route 15 is "new" in that article. They don't mention the word new once. However, if you want to be picky, for many passengers, route 15 is "new", as it connects new areas directly. I'm really not sure of the point you're trying to make.

Tragedy · 02-05-2012 12:29pm

In fairness, some of the comments on the 15 are a bit weird.

Improvements to Route 15 were implemented under the project last December including the extension of the route in South Dublin to Stocking Avenue in Ballycullen

How is an extension an improvement to the existing route? It makes it longer, it doesn't make it faster or shorter.

The journey time on the route has also been improved.

How? The route(on the southside at least) remains identical up until it crosses the M50. I would hazard that the 15 is also slower than the 74 used to be at peak times as it has to cross the M50.

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