Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

realweirdo · 26-09-2014 12:12am

km79 wrote: »

has a joint management team ever won Sam ?

Nope!

Nor anything big in soccer either I believe. Or any sport. I stand to be corrected on that.

The nearest thing to joint managership in soccer was Clough-Taylor but Clough was still the head guy. Taylor was the man who could spot talent. Clough was the guy who knew how to motivate them and get the best out of them, plus they were all scared sh*tless of Clough. John Robertson, even after winning European Cups, used to hide from Clough for fear of his tongue.

realweirdo · 26-09-2014 12:15am

I agree its time to move on.

But if Connelly/Holmes management is a failure and of course I hope it isn't, then McStay needs to be given the job next time out, no ifs, ands or buts.

3 years to win Sam, that's how long Connelly/Holmes have. No pressure!

Loafing Oaf · 26-09-2014 12:30am

km79 wrote: »

y
History has shown us this..... no joint managers I can think of........I hope its not joint managemen I really do

Will it be truly 'joint' management though? I suspect one party, namely the younger and more 'glamorous' one, will be more equal than the other in this partnership...

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-09-2014 1:45am

realweirdo wrote: »

Nope!

Nor anything big in soccer either I believe. Or any sport. I stand to be corrected on that.

The nearest thing to joint managership in soccer was Clough-Taylor but Clough was still the head guy. Taylor was the man who could spot talent. Clough was the guy who knew how to motivate them and get the best out of them, plus they were all scared sh*tless of Clough. John Robertson, even after winning European Cups, used to hide from Clough for fear of his tongue.

jaysus i don't think there was ever any doubt who called the shots there in fairness. They were some partnership.

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-09-2014 1:49am

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Predict whats in the package time. I reckon elements will be revealed. In all likelihood progressive (termed radical) but I reckon no big addition of costs. I cant see Kevin McStay demanding extra backroom/logistics/equipment costs at proposal stage.
McStay has never managed a big budget team n demanded a big budget? Unlikely. If there was something calamitous in it Paddy McNicholas would've revealed it under pressure of questioning at tonights meeting.

He couldnt reveal it though as the had a confidentiality agreement wit Mc Stay

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Will it be truly 'joint' management though? I suspect one party, namely the younger and more 'glamorous' one, will be more equal than the other in this partnership...

I would imagine this has been discussed and decided who will make the vital calls in the throes of battle, a leas i would hope so

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-09-2014 3:31am

Chairmans statement at tonight's at CB meeting. Fair enough imo,

"After the resignation of James Horan and his management team the Officers of Mayo County Board met and decided that it would be in the interests of Mayo football to have a new manager in place as quickly as possible. This would allow for planning for the upcoming league and hopefully to continue with the progress that has been made over the last four years by James Horan and his management team. The Executive of Mayo GAA decided to look for nominations for the position and that these nominations should be in by Thursday September 18th 2014.

We were aware that Kevin McStay was interested in the position as he had stated on the Sunday Game that he would get a call. We decided to make that make that call to see was he interested in it and he said that he was. We arranged a meeting with him, which took place on Monday, September 8. This meeting was a preliminary meeting so we could assess common ground and we could lay out our parameters to him. At that meeting Kevin McStay requested that we wouldn't mess him around and we wouldn't leave him hanging, if he wasn't the preferred choice. We agreed that we wouldn't mess him around.

It became clear at the meeting however there were elements of his package that we were concerned about and he was aware of our concerns. The only other nomination was that of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and we met them on September 19, again this was a preliminary meeting to set out parameters and to see did we have common ground. It became clear there were no real issues between us in that regard.

Later on Friday, September 19 at an executive committee meeting an interview committee was set up comprising of the chairman, secretary, treasurer, coaching officer and PRO of the county board. Its purpose was to interview the nominated candidates. I did not notify the executive of of our concerns of Kevin McStay's package out of deference to the understanding I had with Kevin McStay. I decided I would contact him the next day to clarify matters and to see could we come to an understanding that would be acceptable to him and the county board and we could then arrange the interview. I telephoned him on Saturday morning and again told him of our concerns of an element of the package that he proposed. It was not possible to reach common ground with him in this regard. I said would not be able to recommend his candidacy as a result, he asked did the other officers of the board have the same view and I said they were. In light of his request and my commitment to not mess him around, I thought he would withdraw his nomination at that stage. Instead he said he was disappointed and there was no point in his attending for an interview if he had not got the backing of the principal officers of the county board. At this point I would like stress I had no interest or there was no agenda against Kevin McStay. I was delighted that we had interest from two great management teams, all former Mayo players, any group would have been a great addition to Mayo football. I knew however that Kevin McStay's package would not be acceptable to Mayo county board and I as chairman would be failing on my duties to the board if I did not act on that. He said would be issuing a statement later in the day, I asked him not to do so until after the Hollymount-Carramore match as Noel Connelly was involved in that match and he agreed to that. I then contacted the secretary and treasurer and brought them up to speed on what had happened during the day. I contacted the PRO and coaching officer who were the other members of the interview committee and arranged a meeting for MacHale Park, that Saturday evening. I got a call from Kevin McStay at 4.20pm to say, he'd been contacted by Newstalk and a local journalist who said they were aware he would not be attending for an interview. I told him that neither I or the secretary or treasurer had contacted any media organisation in relation to these matters.

The interview committee met at MacHale Park at approximately 6pm, we discussed the situation and we were all concerned with the turn the events had taken. We decided to contact Kevin McStay again to see would he reconsider his position and attend for interview. We called Kevin McStay to see would he meet with us, he declined to meet. I then contacted by telephone all available members of the executive and I told them that Kevin McStay would not be attending for interview and there was only one valid nomination and we the interview committee would be recommending that subject to interview, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes be appointed. The committee the prepared a statement that was agreed with Kevin McStay and this was subsequently released to the media. This statement was prepared and approved by all available members of the executive, it was incorrect in one respect. It stated that the Mayo senior football team interview committee met with the executive of the county board, there was no such meeting. And I regret this error. The available members of the executive were however informed of our proposed recommendation of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes subject to interview.

There has been a huge amount of criticism of the way the whole thing was handled by the county board and of me in particular. I regret in particular the statement that said there was a meeting between the Mayo senior football manager interview committee and the executive. In our defence we were dealing with an evolving situation, part of which was being played out on the national airwaves and on a day when there were county semi-finals taking place in MacHale Park. We were reacting to the situation and not in control of it, I accept that with retrospect we could have done some things differently. Hindsight is wonderful and looking in the cold light of day some of the decisions made, they must appear clumsy, but there was no conspiracy at no stage did we try to favour one candidate over the other. It was clear to us, there were parts of Kevin McStay's proposals were not acceptable to the county board officers, and there was no point interviewing him. Kevin McStay himself has accepted this. If you look at any of the statements made in person by Kevin McStay, there is very little that can be disputed and there is very little disagreement between us. However statements made by others who were not present at any of these meetings are misleading and are disingenuous. Our opposition to Kevin McStay's proposal was not based on it being to radical and to much change for the county board. He was not told that his proposal was not good enough, but there were some aspects of his proposal that were simply unacceptable to the county board. These were his proposals and terms, and I do not feel that I'm at liberty to disclose them and I will not be doing so.

We are now in the fortunate situation,to have a competent and committed management team, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes to recommend whole heartily to the county board for approval. It would be a shame to lose sight of this after a process that has generated more heat that light and for which I have to take some responsibility.”

km79 · 26-09-2014 7:36am

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Will it be truly 'joint' management though? I suspect one party, namely the younger and more 'glamorous' one, will be more equal than the other in this partnership...

that's what I suspect too as do a lot of people so just give them their correct positions/titles ! it will lead to problems down the road otherwise
Anyway good luck to them hopefully they can buck the trend

padd b1975 · 26-09-2014 10:20am

I would like to think that's a line drawn under the whole thing and matters return to what's important- retaining division 1 status and blooding a few players.

I can't help feeling though, McStay and his denied proposals will cast a long shadow over the next couple of years....

mayo.mick · 26-09-2014 12:11pm

Assistant Treasurer Michael Diskin has resigned according to reports.

Panrich · 26-09-2014 12:50pm

mayo.mick wrote: »

Assistant Treasurer Michael Diskin has resigned according to reports.

We're a laughing stock

naughto · 26-09-2014 1:29pm

Did they actually interview homes and Connelly or did they just give them the job as there was no other nominations ?

naughto · 26-09-2014 1:30pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

I would like to think that's a line drawn under the whole thing and matters return to what's important- retaining division 1 status and blooding a few players.

I can't help feeling though, McStay and his denied proposals will cast a long shadow over the next couple of years....

I don't see that happening to be honest

Panrich · 26-09-2014 1:51pm

naughto wrote: »

Did they actually interview homes and Connelly or did they just give them the job as there was no other nominations ?

It seems the criteria to get the job was not to be the best, but make sure you're not the worst.

jonny d · 26-09-2014 2:04pm

ASSISTANT TREASURER OF MAYO COUNTY BOARD RESIGNS

The Assistant Treasurer of the Mayo County Board has resigned from his position today. Midwest Sport understands that Michael Diskin informed Chairman Paddy McNicholas of his decision last night after the County Board meeting.
Mr Diskin is said to be very unhappy with the handling of the appointment of the senior management team.
At last night’s meeting the Chairman accepted that mistakes had been made in the process and it may have appeared clumsy. However he said there was never anything sinister in the decision to recommend Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes.
Mr Diskin is the second member of the executive to resign over the matter – Culture Officer Gerry Bourke resigned on Monday night.
Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes were ratified at the meeting last night with no one voting against their appointment.

From MWR Sport

padd b1975 · 26-09-2014 2:04pm

naughto wrote: »

I don't see that happening to be honest

It already has with his jibe towards the players regarding the brother in law's comments.

One thing McStay is not short of is available media platforms...

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-09-2014 2:05pm

naughto wrote: »

Did they actually interview homes and Connelly or did they just give them the job as there was no other nominations ?

Of course they met them. Seriously?

Rockfish · 26-09-2014 2:08pm

seligehgit wrote: »

The mob you speak of on here simply want transparency and accountability.An explanation of why proper procedures were'nt followed should be furnished.Why on earth can't an outline re the package be revealed if it was on such a prohibitive scale(no specifics required)?Surely the delegates are entitled to form an opinion on this themselves.

Confidentiality clause.

Rockfish · 26-09-2014 2:09pm

Panrich wrote: »

I'd say that this will force McStay to comment further. He's been branded as a fool by the chairman tonight.

You going to elaborate on this?

Panrich · 26-09-2014 4:23pm

Rockfish wrote: »

You going to elaborate on this?

OK. The chairman said that McStay put forward a package that no right thinking man could accept. In other words, by inference, only a fool would put forward such a 'calamitous' set of plans. I'm sure that I could have put forward a proposal that would meet basic criteria of avoiding the scorn of 'right thinking' people or being labelled 'calamitous' and I'm not an AI club winning manager.
It must have been particularly hurtful to have your ideas ridiculed so publicly as McStays were last night.

Avns1s · 26-09-2014 4:33pm

Panrich wrote: »

OK. The chairman said that McStay put forward a package that no right thinking man could accept. In other words, by inference, only a fool would put forward such a 'calamitous' set of plans. I'm sure that I could have put forward a proposal that would meet basic criteria of avoiding the scorn of 'right thinking' people or being labelled 'calamitous' and I'm not an AI club winning manager.
It must have been particularly hurtful to have your ideas ridiculed so publicly as McStays were last night.

Nobody ridiculed his ideas - it was his "package" that was not acceptable, and that package presumably involved more than ideas.

Anyway, let Kevin McStay come on the record and let us in to the secret of this package if he wishes, otherwise the Chairman has to respect what seems to be his wish for confidentiality.

In any case, we are where we are, and while things were handled clumsily, I don't see any intentional malice so therefore, it's time to move on.

On another note, some of the journalists reporting from the CB meeting via twitter last night showed a lack of decorum and professionalism in my opinion. When they should be reporting facts, they gave their own opinion which didn't reflect the content of the McNicholas statement nor the proceedings at the meeting for that matter. Fair play to Angelina Nugent on MWR this morning. She read the main points at least of the statement and commented on it in a very balanced and fair way.

Panrich · 26-09-2014 4:38pm

Avns1s wrote: »

Nobody ridiculed his ideas - it was his "package" that was not acceptable, and that package presumably involved more than ideas.

Anyway, let Kevin McStay come on the record and let us in to the secret of this package if he wishes, otherwise the Chairman has to respect what seems to be his wish for confidentiality.

In any case, we are where we are, and while things were handled clumsily, I don't see any intentional malice so therefore, it's time to move on.

On another note, some of the journalists reporting from the CB meeting via twitter last night showed a lack of decorum and professionalism in my opinion. When they should be reporting facts, they gave their own opinion which didn't reflect the content of the McNicholas statement nor the proceedings at the meeting for that matter. Fair play to Angelina Nugent on MWR this morning. She read the main points at least of the statement and commented on it in a very balanced and fair way.

I've a different view. If nobody in their right mind could accept my plans, I'd feel very ridiculed and a fool to boot.

Avns1s · 26-09-2014 4:42pm

Panrich wrote: »

I've a different view. If nobody in their right mind could accept my plans, I'd feel very ridiculed and a fool to boot.

Well to quote McStay himself in recent times, if his feelings are a bit hurt, "God love him"!! I'm sure he'll get over it! :pac:

boosabum · 26-09-2014 4:57pm

Panrich,

if your plans involved compensation, expenses and jobs for the boys they you should feel ridiculous for presenting them in the first place.

Panrich · 26-09-2014 4:58pm

Avns1s wrote: »

Well to quote McStay himself in recent times, if his feelings are a bit hurt, "God love him"!! I'm sure he'll get over it! :pac:

Let's hope so. I'd certainly be tempted to give my tuppence worth if it was me though in the certain knowledge that I wasn't going to be in the running for the job for the foreseeable future (or more probably ever).

jmayo · 26-09-2014 4:59pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well many of us would have likeed it if there was another "manager" on the sideline along with Horan a few times during his tenure.

Trouble is if one man is pretty stubborn then where do you go ?
A good manager has to be able to see when they may be wrong and listen to ideas.

Of course someone mentioned Cloughie here and there is a funny story about him willing to listen to ideas from players, etc before of course he discounted them.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

So to sum up.

The nominated candidates were McStay and Connelly/Holmes.

Each had give a presentation of what they would do and what they needed.

A committee agreed that both should be interviewed.

Paddy Mc decided (and others may have thought this way too) that what was being requested by McStay was not realistic.
So he calls McStay to tell him as much and that the other pair are likely to get the job.
McStay says fine I'm not changing the package.

Nice spin on it.
Wasn't it up to the committee to interview him and then report back, not up to the chairman to start phoning candidates outside of the agreed interview process.
Would that happen in other job application processes ?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Then a few PR disasters on Saturday night and now Connelly/Holmes are ratified without the expected bloodbath at the CB.

It wasn't a little PR disaster, there was an offical statement issued which lied about the fact the executive had been consulted.
That is serious and undermines all the officers of the CB.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

All happy ?

I think the chairman glossed over or made light of his responsibility when he claimed he only bore "some" of the responsibility.
He created the mess and made the CB look like a bunch of incompetents who fixed the managerial succession.

So he should do the decent thing and resign.

Of course this is Ireland where people never resign when they fook up even when in much worse circumstances than this.

Panrich · 26-09-2014 5:07pm

boosabum wrote: »

Panrich,

if your plans involved compensation, expenses and jobs for the boys they you should feel ridiculous for presenting them in the first place.

Maybe he is a fool then. If he doesn't explain his position now then he leaves himself open to that type of charge. If we hear nothing from him we must assume that his plans were outrageous and that's not ideal. The chairmans statements last night have forced McStay to respond or else his silence will mean that he accepts the chairmans accusations. Time will tell the tale.

naughto · 26-09-2014 9:01pm

Avns1s wrote: »

Nobody ridiculed his ideas - it was his "package" that was not acceptable, and that package presumably involved more than ideas.

Anyway, let Kevin McStay come on the record and let us in to the secret of this package if he wishes, otherwise the Chairman has to respect what seems to be his wish for confidentiality.

In any case, we are where we are, and while things were handled clumsily, I don't see any intentional malice so therefore, it's time to move on.

On another note, some of the journalists reporting from the CB meeting via twitter last night showed a lack of decorum and professionalism in my opinion. When they should be reporting facts, they gave their own opinion which didn't reflect the content of the McNicholas statement nor the proceedings at the meeting for that matter. Fair play to Angelina Nugent on MWR this morning. She read the main points at least of the statement and commented on it in a very balanced and fair way.

Your not the fella who stood up at the meeting last night an licked the hole of mcnicholas by any chance?

Avns1s · 26-09-2014 10:26pm

naughto wrote: »

Your not the fella who stood up at the meeting last night an licked the hole of mcnicholas by any chance?

I used to respect your contributions but in fairness that's a pretty pathetic contribution that I won't even dignify with a response. It's a pity that one can't have an opinion round here.

neiphin · 27-09-2014 12:20am

i know the whole story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdjf4lMmiiI&app=desktop

KMFCross · 27-09-2014 5:38pm

Ballina 2-7 Westport 0-10

Ger Cafferky had a good game for Ballina, made some great catches and runs towards the end of the game at a crucial point when it was all square.

David Clarke prevented extra time twice at the end with two excellent saves, his kickouts were very good too, nearly always picked out his man.

Evan Regan had a reasonably good game, scored 1-4 but kicked alot of wides and seemed to be carrying the ball into the tackle too much.

Lee Keegan did not look himself today seemed to be down and out, looks like a man who needs a few months off.

Kevin Keane started at midfield, but never really got into the game, was subbed at half time.

Belmullet 0-06 Hollymount Carramore 1-09

Poor first half in this game was 4-3 to Belmullet @ half time. Both Coen's did quite well for Hollymount in the second half.

Chris Barret had a good game but the Belmullet fowards really let them down squandering chance after chance.

Fr Tod Umptious · 27-09-2014 9:15pm

jmayo wrote: »

Trouble is if one man is pretty stubborn then where do you go ?
A good manager has to be able to see when they may be wrong and listen to ideas.

People seem to forget that these guys have worked successfully together as joint managers before.

I'd say they know each others personalities at this stage.

And I'd say they are clear on which roles each take.

It not as if its a series of Big Brother with wildly different personallities all over the place.

ColeTrain · 28-09-2014 2:27pm

Castlebar 0-4 Garrymore 0-0, nearly half-time.

Midwest saying that the jerseys are very similar and that players are giving the ball away because of it.

ColeTrain · 28-09-2014 2:50pm

Second half underway, 6-3 to Mitchells who have changed to a white kit.

KMFCross · 28-09-2014 3:29pm

Full Time Castlebar 1-14 Garrymore 1-11

ColeTrain · 28-09-2014 4:10pm

Ballintubber up by 18 points against Knockmore at half-time. 7-6 to 1-6

All three O'Connor brothers tearing them apart. Some hammering.

ColeTrain · 28-09-2014 4:29pm

Another goal for Ballintuber scored by Ruaidhri O'Connor, that's all four brothers who have scored goals today!

And another goal for Cillian, 9 goals scored :pac:

mayo.mick · 28-09-2014 4:43pm

ColeTrain wrote: »

Another goal for Ballintuber scored by Ruaidhri O'Connor, that's all four brothers who have scored goals today!

And another goal for Cillian, 9 goals scored :pac:

4 goal O'Connor's

Mayo Club 51 · 28-09-2014 4:53pm

ColeTrain wrote: »

Castlebar 0-4 Garrymore 0-0, nearly half-time.

Midwest saying that the jerseys are very similar and that players are giving the ball away because of it.

1st half

2nd Half

ColeTrain · 28-09-2014 4:54pm

Mayo Club 51 wrote: »

1st half

2nd Half

That's a farce. How could they start the game with such an obvious clash?

Fr Tod Umptious · 28-09-2014 4:58pm

ColeTrain wrote: »

That's a farce. How could they start the game with such an obvious clash?

Because its Mayo GAA.

September is farce month at Mayo GAA

GBXI · 29-09-2014 10:48am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Because its Mayo GAA.

September is farce month at Mayo GAA

More like it's GAA rather Mayo GAA. This happens way too much at county level as well. Amateur administrators, professional players.

Loafing Oaf · 29-09-2014 11:31am

Mayo Club 51 wrote: »

1st half

2nd Half

Are there two teams in the top photo? That's ludicrous, how could they have even started the game?

seligehgit · 29-09-2014 11:54am

The O'Connor Goals for Ballintubber v Knockmore

Link using Google Chrome http://vimeo.com/107406555

mayo.mick · 29-09-2014 12:09pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Are there two teams in the top photo? That's ludicrous, how could they have even started the game?

Yip, I wasn't there myself, photos are from some of the Mayo Club 51 crew. Second photo is 2nd half after Mitchel's changed I think. Mad Ted!

statto25 · 29-09-2014 12:50pm

mayo.mick wrote: »

Yip, I wasn't there myself, photos are from some of the Mayo Club 51 crew. Second photo is 2nd half after Mitchel's changed I think. Mad Ted!

What did Mitchels change into out of curiosity? Looks like an old Mayo kit.

blinding · 29-09-2014 1:02pm

Is Enda Kenny The Personel Recruitment Advisor for the Mayo county Board ! ! !

The Mayo County Board could make a Harmless Fart Stink.......... Something Rotten ! ! !

Fr Tod Umptious · 05-10-2014 7:04pm

Ballyhaunis won intermediate by a point.

More ammo for the anti Connelley crowd here.

Fowler87 · 05-10-2014 7:16pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ballyhaunis won intermediate by a point.

More ammo for the anti Connelley crowd here.

It sure was nail biting in the end with some terrible shooting from Hollymount and a late missed free from Coen sealing the game for the Haunis. Been an unreal achievement by this group of players and some great potential especially young Morgan Lyons with the presence of Niall Prenty in the forward line who should be a certainty for the Mayo panel next year. Id say Higgins will cherish this more than any Connacht medal hes won for Mayo. Sensational he was in the 2nd half, worldy of a pass near the end to boot. Delighted for them hope they push on now. #26yearsAndCountingNoMore

Brusna · 05-10-2014 8:20pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ballyhaunis won intermediate by a point.

More ammo for the anti Connelley crowd here.

No, their can be no negativity in this. Congrats ballyhaunis, well deserved.

cocoman · 05-10-2014 8:42pm

Well done to the Haunis. Keep it going now.

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