Formula 1 2015: General Discussion Thread

iano.p · 11-12-2014 9:29am

I hope it's button it would have been sad for him not been able to finish his career on the track. But Kevin it's young he would have been around the team longer term. It's a hard one to call

ZiabR · 11-12-2014 9:48am

iano.p wrote: »

I hope it's button it would have been sad for him not been able to finish his career on the track. But Kevin it's young he would have been around the team longer term. It's a hard one to call

They can keep Kevin in the team as a reserve driver. Use Button and Alonso's experience to develop the new car with the new Honda engine. Then when the car is developed drop Kevin back into a seat for 2016 when Button may be looking to retire anyway.

Everyone wins.

TheDoctor · 11-12-2014 10:07am

Funnily enough Danish media are reporting the opposite

boardsuser1 · 11-12-2014 10:13am

TheDoctor wrote: »

Funnily enough Danish media are reporting the opposite

Less than an hour before all is revealed

Zcott · 11-12-2014 10:46am

If Button gets it I imagine it'll be a one year contract, and if I was Jenson I'd be on the phone to Claire Williams this afternoon for 2016.

greedygoblin · 11-12-2014 10:51am

Zcott wrote: »

If Button gets it I imagine it'll be a one year contract, and if I was Jenson I'd be on the phone to Claire Williams this afternoon for 2016.

Was just looking through the list of drivers and teams there for next year and just had this thought also. Could see Button returning to Williams again.

Zcott · 11-12-2014 11:08am

IIRC Massa's contract ends at the end of 2015 so there might be an option there for him. Not sure about Bottas.

eviltimeban · 11-12-2014 11:21am

I'd say it'll be Button's last year. Glad he's getting another year at McLaren though, if they are competitive he'll do well.

_rebelkid · 11-12-2014 11:31am

McLaren Confirm Button and Alonso for 2015, with Magnussen as Test and Reserve Driver

PopePalpatine · 11-12-2014 11:45am

Well, at least Magnussen wasn't dumped like Perez.

Going Strong · 11-12-2014 11:49am

Thank feck that saga is over.

greedygoblin · 11-12-2014 12:01pm

Had to laugh at Ron's 4 e's. Rather than simply say "Alonso is a good driver", he had to make it as wordy and complicated as possible.

HighLine · 11-12-2014 12:35pm

Ron is all smiles with his old pal. What he is really thinking is "Won't be long before that beard will be gone"

https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/543003260014309376

eviltimeban · 11-12-2014 12:47pm

HighLine wrote: »

Ron is all smiles with his old pal. What he is really thinking is "Won't be long before that beard will be gone"

https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/543003260014309376

Yeah, beard aren't the McLaren way alright! Though Jenson's kept his for a while!

Tzardine · 11-12-2014 1:16pm

Christ. Fernando is not short of a Bob or two.

You would think he would have a better fitting suit.

Jordan 199 · 11-12-2014 4:26pm

Now that Lewis and Fernando have two titles each, which of those drivers will be first to win a third title.

I think if Mercedes can produce a car like they had this season for next season, I think it will be Lewis.

Who knows what will happen though.

HighLine · 11-12-2014 4:42pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Now that Lewis and Fernando have two titles each, which of those drivers will be first to win a third title.

I think if Mercedes can produce a car like they had this season for next season, I think it will be Lewis.

Who knows what will happen though.

Not much because Mercedes continue to block any engine development so the chances of other non-Mercedes powered cars catching up are slim unfortunately.

Gillespy · 11-12-2014 4:52pm

A fool would bet against Hamilton now. There seems to be no confidence in Honda and Mercedes could dust off the W05 in Melbourne and still win.

Seeing Alonso at McLaren again just reminds you how much his career has stagnated since the last time he was there. His reputation has never been higher but to think Hamilton has clocked up as many titles and wins in that time is amazing.

11-12-2014 5:18pm

Gillespy wrote: »

A fool would bet against Hamilton now. There seems to be no confidence in Honda and Mercedes could dust off the W05 in Melbourne and still win.

What price would tempt you on Rosberg? This year a failure on the other car in the last race would've got him the title like.

It is a pity though on the engine front. While I like performance differentials in engines and the like I find it stupid to do it with an engine freeze. Unless Red Bull can somehow switch to another engine supplier it's gonna be another few years of Merc winning 75% of the races.

GarIT · 11-12-2014 5:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What price would tempt you on Rosberg? This year a failure on the other car in the last race would've got him the title like.

With better reliability (which they should have in 2015) Rosberg would have lost by much more than he did. I only expect Hamilton to be further ahead this year. It would take about 10:1 for me to put money on Rosberg.

Gillespy · 11-12-2014 5:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What price would tempt you on Rosberg? This year a failure on the other car in the last race would've got him the title like.

That would have given Hamilton twice as many failures as Rosberg, not counting the issues he had in qualifying. On performance, taking luck and reliability out of it, it's Hamilton every time.

I have no sympathy for the those suffering because of the engine freeze. If they didn't insist on it, they all agreed to it.

Williams finished the season well and could get amongst the Mercs next year and no one knows what Honda will have, so it's not all doom and gloom. Another year of Hamilton filling his boots will be okay by me anyway.

Myrddin · 11-12-2014 5:57pm

GarIT wrote: »

With better reliability (which they should have in 2015) Rosberg would have lost by much more than he did. I only expect Hamilton to be further ahead this year. It would take about 10:1 for me to put money on Rosberg.

Agreed, for Nico to only have won four races in that car, & not converted all those poles to wins, it's a pretty stark contrast. I know Nico had some bad luck, but not as much as Lewis did & it didn't affect him as badly (car going on fire etc).

PopePalpatine · 11-12-2014 6:07pm

Coral's the only bookie offering top 3 (at 1/5 odds) for placing, Bottas is currently 28/1 with them. SkyBet are offering 40/1 for him, though, if you're feeling liking taking more of a risk.

ScumLord · 11-12-2014 6:13pm

GarIT wrote: »

With better reliability (which they should have in 2015) Rosberg would have lost by much more than he did.

I think you're right, while the two are close in qualifying Hamilton just has the superior race pace and you'd always expect him to take Rosberg on track if he lost the pole position on Saturday.

I've heard Hamilton say the Mercedes aero package isn't that good and the cars pace is entirely down to the engine. Improvements in the aero package could give them even more of an advantage next year.

Honda are the only people in a position to make a merc beating engine at this time. It will be difficult to do in the first year though.

Unless peugeot and ferrari can do some major changes to their engines I don't see them winning much next year.

Jordan 199 · 11-12-2014 6:18pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Unless peugeot and ferrari can do some major changes to their engines I don't see them winning much next year.

Hmmmmm.....

boardsuser1 · 11-12-2014 6:19pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I think you're right, while the two are close in qualifying Hamilton just has the superior race pace and you'd always expect him to take Rosberg on track if he lost the pole position on Saturday.

I've heard Hamilton say the Mercedes aero package isn't that good and the cars pace is entirely down to the engine. Improvements in the aero package could give them even more of an advantage next year.

Honda are the only people in a position to make a merc beating engine at this time. It will be difficult to do in the first year though.

Unless peugeot and ferrari can do some major changes to their engines I don't see them winning much next year.

Peugeot??????

Zcott · 11-12-2014 6:28pm

Hamilton has the confidence to take the title in 2015 and I just don't see Rosberg matching that, as much as I'd like to.

The two teams im genuinely curious about are Williams and McLaren though. Did Williams have a great 2014 at the expense of 2015 or are they genuinely up there now? And McLaren are a complete unknown right now.

11-12-2014 6:30pm

Have always been a Ferrari supporter, but have lost faith over the last few years. Will be 100% behind McLaren this coming year, definitely my favourite driver line-up.

ScumLord · 11-12-2014 6:32pm

KC161 wrote: »

Peugeot??????

Shh, maybe no one else will notice.

youreadthat · 11-12-2014 6:45pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I think you're right, while the two are close in qualifying Hamilton just has the superior race pace and you'd always expect him to take Rosberg on track if he lost the pole position on Saturday.

I've heard Hamilton say the Mercedes aero package isn't that good and the cars pace is entirely down to the engine. Improvements in the aero package could give them even more of an advantage next year.

Honda are the only people in a position to make a merc beating engine at this time. It will be difficult to do in the first year though.

Unless peugeot and ferrari can do some major changes to their engines I don't see them winning much next year.

I haven't heard Hamilton say that, and it doesn't make much sense either, the Merc was quick around all sorts of track type and destroyed cars using the same engine.

_rebelkid · 11-12-2014 7:06pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Shh, maybe no one else will notice.

PSA Toyota 2016 Confirmed.

Zcott · 11-12-2014 7:29pm

_rebelkid wrote: »

PSA Toyota 2016 Confirmed.

I'm still waiting on that Ford superteam Autosport talked about 15 years ago...

christy c · 11-12-2014 7:31pm

GarIT wrote: »

With better reliability (which they should have in 2015) Rosberg would have lost by much more than he did. I only expect Hamilton to be further ahead this year. It would take about 10:1 for me to put money on Rosberg.

I haven't done the maths, but I don't think Rosberg would have lost by much more with better reliability. They both had equal retirements (counting Rosberg in Abu Dhabi as he finished outside the points). Also Lewis pulled an extra 25 points to make up for his two mechanical faults in qualifing.

Unless I am forgetting something, was a long year

Jordan 199 · 11-12-2014 8:13pm

Zcott wrote: »

I'm still waiting on that Ford superteam Autosport talked about 15 years ago...

I had a look about that. Ford were planning on talking to Schumi about it.

Very short article about it here. BTW, take a look at the date on the top right of the article

Ghost Train · 11-12-2014 8:34pm

Well it was Ford using the Jaguar brand, had 5 seasons
The were eventually taken over by Redbull
And eventually were winning multiple championships

Cookie_Monster · 11-12-2014 9:05pm

OSI wrote: »

Thank god for that. If the one F1 race I managed to bring the Mrs to didn't have her beloved Jenson involved I'd never hear the end of it.

Now that's out of the way we can speculate on the important things, like what's the livery going to look like

Zcott wrote:

I'm still waiting on that Ford superteam Autosport talked about 15 years ago...

they've just pulled out of the V8s and are pretty much shutting down production in Aus. Would be nice to think they'd redirect some of those funds to F1

Frank Bullitt · 11-12-2014 9:08pm

Strong line-up for McLaren, I would fancy them for a win or 2 in 2015.

challengemaster · 11-12-2014 9:36pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Now that's out of the way we can speculate on the important things, like what's the livery going to look like

Be interesting to see if the bring back the old livery!

eviltimeban · 11-12-2014 9:52pm

^ That'd be cool! But aren't they Marlboro colours?

Korat · 11-12-2014 10:08pm

Great beard from Alonso. It's been a while since anyone on the grid actually looked like they should be driving without L plates on their car.

11-12-2014 10:22pm

GarIT wrote: »

With better reliability (which they should have in 2015) Rosberg would have lost by much more than he did. I only expect Hamilton to be further ahead this year. It would take about 10:1 for me to put money on Rosberg.

Will you give me 9/1 on Rosberg?

Jordan 199 · 11-12-2014 10:26pm

challengemaster wrote: »

Be interesting to see if the bring back the old livery!

Probably not IMO.

eviltimeban wrote: »

^ That'd be cool! But aren't they Marlboro colours?

They sure are

Myrddin · 11-12-2014 10:34pm

christy c wrote: »

Unless I am forgetting something, was a long year

I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of things myself, but 4 wins to 11 & after the final race? Doesn't sound all that equal really.

Ghost Train · 11-12-2014 10:50pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEP3rV5L5e4

Nice V10s, good season for Honda & Button

LEIN · 11-12-2014 10:56pm

christy c · 12-12-2014 12:07am

Myrddin wrote: »

I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of things myself, but 4 wins to 11 & after the final race? Doesn't sound all that equal really.

I'm not sure what point you're making, I was replying to someone who said the margin would be bigger if they had better reliability

Edit: what I remember is Rosberg had 3 retirements- Britain, Singapore and UAE was as good as a retirement.

Hamilton had three also, Australia, Canada and Spa. But he also had brake failure in Germany qualifing and the fire in Hungary. So I think with the extra 25 points in Abu Dhabi versus zero for Rosberg, it balanced out and the final margin was fair and reliability wouldn't make much difference

greedygoblin · 12-12-2014 12:55am

OSI wrote: »

I've grown rather fond of the silver, black and red. Was a shame to lose the red this year. All depends on who their main sponsor is going to be next year I reckon.

I'd imagine Santander are a contender. Wherever Fernando goes they are bound to follow.

12-12-2014 2:17am

christy c wrote: »

I'm not sure what point you're making, I was replying to someone who said the margin would be bigger if they had better reliability

Edit: what I remember is Rosberg had 3 retirements- Britain, Singapore and UAE was as good as a retirement.

Hamilton had three also, Australia, Canada and Spa. But he also had brake failure in Germany qualifing and the fire in Hungary. So I think with the extra 25 points in Abu Dhabi versus zero for Rosberg, it balanced out and the final margin was fair and reliability wouldn't make much difference

Rosberg had the brake failure in Canada as well.

Gillespy · 12-12-2014 2:31am

His brakes were fine I think, Hamilton lost his brakes, he was down 160hp though with no electric power. Similar to what happened to him in Abu Dhabi I guess. At any rate, it was a stroke of luck he gathered 18 points that day.

MortGoldman · 12-12-2014 2:38am

Hamilton's mechanical problems happened more in qualifying, Rosberg's during the race.

This is said off the top of my head and without looking through season data, but in general, I think this is roughly accurate.

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