Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

IanVW · 15-06-2013 5:59pm

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Mountainlad · 15-06-2013 6:02pm

IanVW wrote: »

Think so all good on the injury front. Should be a bit of a shock in the forward line from what ive heard, a switch from midfield to the half forward line

It hardly involves two blood relations does it?

glick6 · 15-06-2013 6:37pm

Seniors playing under 21's on Sunday. Should give a good impression of who'll be in contention. I'd be very surprised if the changed midfield. Saying that, hopefully shane fives and Walsh come back into contention. Richie foley also now available. Maybe having those three back does give some room for manoeuvre. If fives is fit I'd have him back in corner back.

Hslaw · 15-06-2013 7:14pm

glick6 wrote: »

Seniors playing under 21's on Sunday. Should give a good impression of who'll be in contention. I'd be very surprised if the changed midfield. Saying that, hopefully shane fives and Walsh come back into contention. Richie foley also now available. Maybe having those three back does give some room for manoeuvre. If fives is fit I'd have him back in corner back.

i cant see Foley being match fit, just yet.

Hslaw · 15-06-2013 7:23pm

is it next week the minors are playing

IanVW · 15-06-2013 7:25pm

Hslaw wrote: »

is it next week the minors are playing

Wednesday 26th i think

Hslaw · 15-06-2013 7:34pm

IanVW wrote: »

Wednesday 26th i think

nice one, cheers.

Deise_2012 · 15-06-2013 8:09pm

glick6 wrote: »

Seniors playing under 21's on Sunday. Should give a good impression of who'll be in contention. I'd be very surprised if the changed midfield. Saying that, hopefully shane fives and Walsh come back into contention. Richie foley also now available. Maybe having those three back does give some room for manoeuvre. If fives is fit I'd have him back in corner back.

Any idea where that's on?

Jarjohn · 16-06-2013 12:15am

IanVW wrote: »

Think so all good on the injury front. Should be a bit of a shock in the forward line from what ive heard, a switch from midfield to the half forward line

Tell the rest of us cant you! Tis a discussion forum after all

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I really hope it is Darragh Fives on half forward line. Great hand and will win ball

The blue blaa · 16-06-2013 7:09am

Read previous posts mountainlad not far off in what he says

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 16-06-2013 8:21am

Sully into centre forward maybe? Hardly earth shattering stuff!

Teebor15 · 16-06-2013 9:16am

They should throw Tony Browne in full forward and see what happens!

cleaboy boy · 16-06-2013 7:28pm

Waterford played and beat under 21's in a challenge this morning, wasn't there but hearing Shane walsh and Jamie Nagle came off with serious looking injuries.

PTH2009 · 16-06-2013 7:43pm

cleaboy boy wrote: »

Waterford played and beat under 21's in a challenge this morning, wasn't there but hearing Shane walsh and Jamie Nagle came off with serious looking injuries.

Two huge losses for us, Offaly will be laughing

deisedude · 16-06-2013 7:58pm

cleaboy boy wrote: »

Waterford played and beat under 21's in a challenge this morning, wasn't there but hearing Shane walsh and Jamie Nagle came off with serious looking injuries.

Poor Jamie, after giving his best performance in a Waterford shirt and silencing the doubters (i will admit to being one myself) and then to be potentially out of the next match

robopaddy · 16-06-2013 8:15pm

deisedude wrote: »

Poor Jamie, after giving his best performance in a Waterford shirt and silencing the doubters (i will admit to being one myself) and then to be potentially out of the next match

we dont know anything yet only what it 'looked like' from a spectator. lets just see what becomes of it before we start writing his obituary

anyone have a report on that match...? teams etc

Mountainlad · 16-06-2013 9:05pm

robopaddy wrote: »

we dont know anything yet only what it 'looked like' from a spectator. lets just see what becomes of it before we start writing his obituary

anyone have a report on that match...? teams etc

He did say potentially in fairness.

deisedude · 16-06-2013 9:10pm

robopaddy wrote: »

we dont know anything yet only what it 'looked like' from a spectator. lets just see what becomes of it before we start writing his obituary

anyone have a report on that match...? teams etc

Not writing him off by any means. Hope he is fit and ready for the Offaly game

seananigans · 16-06-2013 9:50pm

Teebor15 wrote: »

They should throw Tony Browne in full forward and see what happens!

HE can do some mental damage from the half forward line, but wouldn't have the legs for the full forward , its been a decade since he played there that i know of, but sure in the cork Munster final in 10 i believe he got 2 points from the half forward line, scooped the goal, and stopped a near certain goal with his head.

I could be mixing the two matches up here ,i was at both and dont hink i got to watch the coverage

deisedude · 16-06-2013 9:56pm

seananigans wrote: »

HE can do some mental damage from the half forward line, but wouldn't have the legs for the full forward , its been a decade since he played there that i know of, but sure in the cork Munster final in 10 i believe he got 2 points from the half forward line, scooped the goal, and stopped a near certain goal with his head.

I could be mixing the two matches up here ,i was at both and dont hink i got to watch the coverage

I think he should have been thrown in at the end of the Clare match into the forwards and see what he would do

glick6 · 16-06-2013 9:57pm

Teams.

Senior.

Iggy first half. Sok second.
Shane Fives. Played whole game.
Lawlor.
Connors.
Nagle.
Brick.
Foley. Also played whole game.
Moran.
Barrett.
Shane O'Sullivan
Pender.
Shanahan.
Martin O'Neill.
Shane Walsh.
Brian O Sullivan.

As for the U-21's. can't give a full line out.

Paudi prendergast, darragh fives, ray Barry, Gavin o Brien, jake Dillon, Jamie Barron, paudi Mahoney, eamonn Murphy, Cormac Heffernan all played.

From the report I got Shane Walsh was having a flier before he had to go off.

seananigans · 17-06-2013 10:41am

seananigans wrote: »

HE can do some mental damage from the half forward line, but wouldn't have the legs for the full forward , its been a decade since he played there that i know of, but sure in the cork Munster final in 10 i believe he got 2 points from the half forward line, scooped the goal, and stopped a near certain goal with his head.

I could be mixing the two matches up here ,i was at both and dont hink i got to watch the coverage

Half back line :-( whoops

robopaddy · 17-06-2013 11:26am

Anyone thinkin of stayin up there saturday night?

shoddy14 · 17-06-2013 12:00pm

robopaddy wrote: »

Anyone thinkin of stayin up there saturday night?

You going gatting?

robopaddy · 17-06-2013 12:12pm

shoddy14 wrote: »

You going gatting?

Keeping an open mind. We dont see the qualifier route too often so may aswell use the opportunity to tour the country see where it takes us!!

accommodation situation dosent look the best up there though

seananigans · 17-06-2013 1:19pm

robopaddy wrote: »

Anyone thinkin of stayin up there saturday night?

I dont drive,and will be too late for the last train, so was thinking bout it alright

Mountainlad · 17-06-2013 1:20pm

robopaddy wrote: »

Keeping an open mind. We dont see the qualifier route too often so may aswell use the opportunity to tour the country see where it takes us!!

accommodation situation dosent look the best up there though

Sure who needs accommodation in a Country full of ditches

blue note · 17-06-2013 1:25pm

robopaddy wrote: »

Keeping an open mind. We dont see the qualifier route too often so may aswell use the opportunity to tour the country see where it takes us!!

accommodation situation dosent look the best up there though

The girlfriend is from there, so I spend more time there than I do in Waterford!

The Court Hotel is nice - a fairly standard modern hotel. It's probably about 15-20 minutes walk to the ground. The Bridge hotel is grand too. It's a little closer, but I'd be concerned about the nightclub in it (I stayed in a hotel in Kilkenny before with a nightclub in it and I did not sleep!). There's a former Days hotel there as well which I'm sure is a fairly standard modern hotel as well.

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 17-06-2013 1:32pm

Any updates on Walsh/Nagle's fitness?

robopaddy · 17-06-2013 2:27pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Sure who needs accommodation in a Country full of ditches

true enough I'll probably wake up on a pile of turf inside in some bog anyway

cleaboy boy · 17-06-2013 2:50pm

Shane Walsh is definitely out. Nagle is no better than 50/50 to play on Saturday.

Deise_2012 · 17-06-2013 3:21pm

Add O halloran to being definitely out aswel id say

glick6 · 17-06-2013 4:36pm

cleaboy boy wrote: »

Shane Walsh is definitely out. Nagle is no better than 50/50 to play on Saturday.

Interesting that you'd know this already. Can't imagine either injury been properly assessed yet considering it was only yesterday and they aren't training again until Tuesday night.

Deise_2012 · 17-06-2013 4:53pm

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/john-mullane-there-are-many-years-of-work-riding-on-this-result-29349531.html

PTH2009 · 17-06-2013 4:53pm

Would brining Gary Hurney back into the senoir hurling team be a good idea

he could add a bit of size to the forward line imagine a forward line of this

10 Maurice Shanahan
11 Seamus Prendergast
12 Brian O Sullivan

13 Pauric Mahony
14 Gary Hurney
15 Jake Dillion

Deise Hurler · 17-06-2013 5:00pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would brining Gary Hurney back into the senoir hurling team be a good idea

he could add a bit of size to the forward line imagine a forward line of this

10 Maurice Shanahan
11 Seamus Prendergast
12 Brian O Sullivan

13 Pauric Mahony
14 Gary Hurney
15 Jake Dillion

God no, Hurney is too slow hurlingwise for intercounty.
And Brian O Sullivan wing forward. Just like his clubmate, he is not physical enough for the half forward line.

Mountainlad · 17-06-2013 5:09pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would brining Gary Hurney back into the senoir hurling team be a good idea

he could add a bit of size to the forward line imagine a forward line of this

10 Maurice Shanahan
11 Seamus Prendergast
12 Brian O Sullivan

13 Pauric Mahony
14 Gary Hurney
15 Jake Dillion

Serious promotion for Brian O'Sullivan there. Would seriously undermine a decision to bring in Hurney for his size, to put Brian O Sullivan wing forward given the how light he is and it really wouldn't make sense given the main problem we had the last day was winning ball in the half forward line.

Anyway, you won't see Hurney on the hurling panel for at least 6 months and quite likely you won't see him on it ever again.

As for Mullane's article, it's very negative stuff to be reading. Don't think that's really a help to the team and it almost seems like he actively wants to put more pressure on them. I don't agree that this is the culmination of 12 years work, not under any circumstances is it. Would be a big blow to lose, but not irreparable and to be honest don't think psychologically as damaging as he claims.

Time will tell whether any positional switches prove to be correct but from the managements perspective they need to find a way to make the ball stick further up the field, we can't have it coming straight back down on top of us. I get what he's saying to a point, and to create a goal threat pace is important in the half forward line but Maurice Shanahan does pose that threat when running at goal, he is quite a good creater of space.

I know it can seem a bit much to criticize in hindsight, but to be honest I also think it's a bit rash to be criticial of a decision that hasn't even officially been made yet.

hardybuck · 17-06-2013 5:12pm

If we don't have a ball winning full forward, than we should look towards alternative options.

When DLS were managed by Ryan, a lot of low ball was played in front of a mobile full forward line including Mullane and Dillon.

This was a bit more of a football style of play, and it worked. Whatever inside forward who won possession would be supported by a runner coming off their shoulder, who normally received a hand pass or short pass which would leave them bearing down on goal or with space to go for a point. The half forward line usually withdrew slightly to fight for ball around the middle, and would look to take the ball of the shoulder.

I'd love to see more of this style of play with Waterford, and I think we need to look more towards this with the type of players we have available to us. Strong ball winners are in very short supply.

hardybuck · 17-06-2013 5:13pm

Deise Hurler wrote: »

God no, Hurney is too slow hurlingwise for intercounty.
And Brian O Sullivan wing forward. Just like his clubmate, he is not physical enough for the half forward line.

A less radical proposal would be to place Shane O'Sullivan at centre forward, and move Prendergast into full forward. I'd be pretty happy with that.

Mountainlad · 17-06-2013 5:19pm

hardybuck wrote: »

A less radical proposal would be to place Shane O'Sullivan at centre forward, and move Prendergast into full forward. I'd be pretty happy with that.

Certainly an option at some stage in the game anyway even if not from the start should. We did try O'Sullivan there in 2011 and that was abandoned after the Tipp game, but I thought he had justified his selection there on most outings that year.

Fireball07 · 17-06-2013 5:22pm

I reckon Shane Walsh would be a massive blow for ye, you could get past Offaly, but I reckon if you had him against Clare, you'd have a much better chance.

When you have so many young forwards, and others who struggle to contribute regularly from play, having someone like Walsh is a big blow. Last year, I thought Mullane and Walsh were your only real threats up front..... there was a huge reliance on Mullane obviously, but without him, to lose Walsh aswell is massive.

Is O'Halloran likely to be fit, I think he's very good...?

robopaddy · 17-06-2013 5:36pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would brining Gary Hurney back into the senoir hurling team be a good idea

hes had his chance before the man is well into his 30s now theres nothing to be gained out of bringing him back. We need to realise that its about the future now and blooding young players should be priority. Seamus Prendergast is still there he does what he does well and shows good example to the younger lads theres no need for a poorer version of him to be there aswell

Deise_2012 · 17-06-2013 7:10pm

hardybuck wrote: »

A less radical proposal would be to place Shane O'Sullivan at centre forward, and move Prendergast into full forward. I'd be pretty happy with that.

Who would you put into midfield then? take into account jamie nagles injury aswel

hardybuck · 17-06-2013 8:48pm

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Who would you put into midfield then? take into account jamie nagles injury aswel

Shane Fives to corner back, Darragh Fives and Kevin Moran at midfield.

If Nagle was injured you have Tony Browne or Richie Foley who can play wing back. If neither of those were fit I'd fire either Dean Twomey or Eddie Barrett into midfield and drop either Moran or Fives to wing back before I'd consider lads like Brian O'Sullivan or Gary Hurney.

You can see I'm picking horses for courses slightly. I'd be afraid that lads like Barron, Barry, O'Neill and O'Brien would be just swept aside physically up in Tullamore, particularly if a number of them ended up on the field at the same time.

Deskjockey · 17-06-2013 10:47pm

I see Paddypower has installed Waterford as favorites @ 8/15.
( Offaly at 7/4 Draw at 10/1)

Bookies are rarely that far off the mark... Are they?

Up the Deise

(PS, PP says game is on TV Saturday- thought it wasn't ??)

culbaire · 18-06-2013 12:40am

Deise_2012 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/john-mullane-there-are-many-years-of-work-riding-on-this-result-29349531.html

There is an injury crisis. More in Mullane's line to make himself available for selection.
Many Waterford supporters are getting sick of the nonsense in the papers from Mullane

PTH2009 · 18-06-2013 1:01am

culbaire wrote: »

There is an injury crisis. More in Mullane's line to make himself available for selection.
Many Waterford supporters are getting sick of the nonsense in the papers from Mullane

In fairness Mullane knows the ins and outs of the camp and if a former player suggests things are bad than id take his word.

It would be a bit late for Mullane to just ring Ryan and say i decided to make myself available

culbaire · 18-06-2013 1:11am

PTH2009 wrote: »

In fairness Mullane knows the ins and outs of the camp and if a former player suggests things are bad than id take his word.

It would be a bit late for Mullane to just ring Ryan and say i decided to make myself available

Mullane in a not too subtle effort is trying to ramp up pressure on Michael Ryan. There is an injury crisis. He knows that damn well. He could have made himself available (even after the Clare game). Mullane is not God you know. Many supporters that I spoke to today were very angry over this article. And they are right!!
Mullane retired(as he is entitled to). Forget about him. He is history. Leave him snipe away from the side lines. He is now undoing all the good he did as a great player and rapidly losing good will.

grenache · 18-06-2013 5:21am

Deise_2012 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/john-mullane-there-are-many-years-of-work-riding-on-this-result-29349531.html

That's non-sensical hyperbole from Mullane in fairness. Hes gone all Eamon Dunphy on us there, being sesationalist for the sake of catching headlines. While no doubt a crucial game, it's a Round 1 qualifier, not an All Ireland Final we're taking about.

How Waterford fair this summer will not make or break them. Rather its how you fair in the next 2-3 years that will determine Waterford's long term fortunes in Munster and the All Ireland series. Can you successfully blend youth like Dillon and Shanahan with the experience of Moran and Prendergast? That will tell you where you are going a lot more than Saturday night in Tullamore.

robopaddy · 18-06-2013 7:40am

I was sceptical when I saw he was going writing for the independant in the first place as hes not very insightful and now my suspicions have come to light as he has started airing his dirty laundry in public. I think too much notice is being taken of these articles and the only real winners are the independent themselves. Its not like he sits down and writes them basically someone from the independent rings him gets his opinion and pieces it together to make a story out of it. He had his chance to come clean when he retired from Waterford he did enough bloody interviews anyway but now you can see he has no mass in Michael Ryan whatsoever. Thats fair enough but the week before a championship match on a public broadsheet is neither the time nor the place. I know hes been saying things about the management to people on the streets in his day to day life aswell but for someone prides himself as a 'waterford man' he should lie low and give the players and management some space to get on with things

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