Ireland equals DOG UNFRIENDLY country

Tranceypoo · 29-07-2010 12:40pm

Actually saying that I bring my dog into the bank and the post office whenever I have to go in there, forgot about that!!

Zapperzy · 29-07-2010 12:41pm

CreedonsDogDayc wrote: »

Howdy,

I havent read this whole topic, but incase it hasnt been mentioned........

Dogs are legally allowed enter any shop / premises that DOES NOT serve food, UNLESS there is a sign up saying no dogs allowed!!!

Great way to socialise a young dog is to take them into banks / post offices etc. if there is no sign up (and no food) head on in!!

Its up to them to put a sign up!

I didn't know that, it's good to know though! Out of curiousity have you had much bother with bringing pups into banks and post offices to socialise them? Do places with no sign and no food ever say anything to you?

andreac wrote: »

Wow, thats good to know. I still dont think id bring my rottie to the shops:D, could you imagine, the place would just empty, lol.

Haha mothers would be clinging to their children for fear that he'd decide to have a feast of small children!

Wolfe Tone · 29-07-2010 12:59pm

CreedonsDogDayc wrote: »

Howdy,

I havent read this whole topic, but incase it hasnt been mentioned........

Dogs are legally allowed enter any shop / premises that DOES NOT serve food, UNLESS there is a sign up saying no dogs allowed!!!

Great way to socialise a young dog is to take them into banks / post offices etc. if there is no sign up (and no food) head on in!!

Its up to them to put a sign up!

Any links to back that up mate?

Tranceypoo · 29-07-2010 1:27pm

I've never had any hassle or comments bringing my lad into the bank or post office, he is a black lab/staffy cross (rescue dog) and very handsome (if I say so myself) and I have had a few comments along the lines of 'what a lovely dog' and 'isn't he well behaved' cos he's very chilled and if the queue is long he tends to lie down and nod off

mymo · 29-07-2010 3:00pm

I generally don't bring my dogs into shops, although I do like to bring them into town, there's a couple of places we stop for a cuppa that have no problem with them sitting outside with us(even bring them water).
I have often stopped outside a shop while my daughter went in to look at something(within my sight) and have been told its fine to bring the dogs inside in 2 shoe shops(one more than once) and an electronics shop, also a bookshop we frequent in town where the dogs tails wag when they get to the door as the lady there gives them hugs.
I'll only go in if its quiet and I'm invited, as it can be stressful for the dogs when its busy.
If I have to shop for something in particular i don't bring the dogs, but just for a walk around town they love it.
I think Ireland is getting more pet friendly, but its the amount of untrained dogs roaming around that cause problems, I don't know about Dublin but there's loads down here.

Jelly2 · 29-07-2010 6:36pm

Discodog wrote: »

Strange that we speak of rubbing a dog whereas the Brits say that they are stroking it. Stroke definitely conveys more affection.

It might linguistically convey more affection, but in reality a dog adores being rubbed on its tummy!

esentziak · 30-07-2010 11:27am

Hello

I think I know what the answer will be but .... we live in France and are coming over to Ireland for a month to visit daughter and grand-child. We have/had planned to bring our female Cavalier King Charles with us.

We've done the expensive bit (blood test, travelling via the UK instead of flying, and so on).

Our daughter, who has a restaurant, reminded me that in Ireland, you cannot bring a dog into restaurants, cafés, pub, which I had completely forgotten. In France, we often take her to restaurants with us, we have never been refused.

I just don't know what to do: I intend to look after our grandchild and my husband will give her a hand in the restaurant as one of her chef is away on his honeymoon for three weeks.

It will mean that I will never be able to have lunch or dinner in our daughter's restaurant - although she does have a terrace where I suppose I could bring the dog (but you have to go through the restaurant to get to the terrace)

Additionally we plan to do a bit of travelling and sightseeing in Ireland whilst we are there, which means staying in hotels (again not a problem in France but in Ireland ?)

I have given myself until Sunday to decide: I think I have somebody to look after her (F0C, somebody returning a big favour); I don't really want to put her in a kennel.

Apologies for such a long post and giving you nearly my life story !

Dominique

Jelly2 · 30-07-2010 11:33am

esentziak wrote: »

Hello

I think I know what the answer will be but .... we live in France and are coming over to Ireland for a month to visit daughter and grand-child. We have/had planned to bring our female Cavalier King Charles with us.

We've done the expensive bit (blood test, travelling via the UK instead of flying, and so on).

Our daughter, who has a restaurant, reminded me that in Ireland, you cannot bring a dog into restaurants, cafés, pub, which I had completely forgotten. In France, we often take her to restaurants with us, we have never been refused.

I just don't know what to do: I intend to look after our grandchild and my husband will give her a hand in the restaurant as one of her chef is away on his honeymoon for three weeks.

It will mean that I will never be able to have lunch or dinner in our daughter's restaurant - although she does have a terrace where I suppose I could bring the dog (but you have to go through the restaurant to get to the terrace)

Additionally we plan to do a bit of travelling and sightseeing in Ireland whilst we are there, which means staying in hotels (again not a problem in France but in Ireland ?)

I have given myself until Sunday to decide: I think I have somebody to look after her (F0C, somebody returning a big favour); I don't really want to put her in a kennel.

Apologies for such a long post and giving you nearly my life story !

Dominique

Dominique,
As your daughter is the owner of the restaurant, it will be up to her whether she allows you to walk your dog through the main dining room inside to get to the terrace!
Also, we find that there are some B&Bs that will allow dogs in the house, and some that will allow you to keep your dog in a shed outside (bring your dog basket!). One that I know well is www.glendinehouse.com in Wexford. A quick google will come up with some more, I should think. Or perhaps you could have the dog sleep overnight in the car? Ours sometimes do that in the summer, and are quite happy on the back seat with a blanket underneath them.
Also, lots of tourist sites will allow dogs, as long as they are outdoor sites. Kennedy Park in Wexford is well worth a visit, as is Tintern Abbey - both lovely places for dogs. You will easily manage to have your dog and visit lots of tourist sites!

mymo · 30-07-2010 11:51am

esentziak, there are plenty of cafe's that don't mind you sitting outside with your dog, as I'm sure there are pubs that would be the same.(I grew up in UK and all the local pubs allowed dogs, didn't know they didn't here)
There are places to stay that allow dogs too, just call ahead to make sure. I think there's a site with places listed, I'll post it if I find it.
Hope you enjoy your holiday.

http://www.staydoggy.com/

Thats the site I found, there could be more.

Bullseye1 · 30-07-2010 3:25pm

It might be a useful exercise to have a database of pet friendly hotels, B&Bs and restaurants in Ireland. I would certainly find it useful for weekend breaks away.

esentziak · 30-07-2010 4:07pm

As your daughter is the owner of the restaurant, it will be up to her whether she allows you to walk your dog through the main dining room inside to get to the terrace!

thanks for your replies:

are you saying that Health and Safety regulations do not actually forbid dogs in restaurants and that it is up to the owners ? I did a search on the internet but I could not actually find anything about it. (although I am not going to stress my daughter by bringing our dog even if it were allowed !)

Also I presume that dogs are not allowed in pub in Ireland ? they used to let them in in the UK in the "old days", I'm not sure what's in vogue at the moment.

If I can sit at cafe and restaurant terraces with Amber, I'd better bring my winter coat ..... it's freezing in Ireland compared to Lyon.

Thanks for the tip on Wexford but we were thinking of going to Giants Causeway as we have never been.

Dominique

Zapperzy · 31-07-2010 12:11am

esentziak wrote: »

As your daughter is the owner of the restaurant, it will be up to her whether she allows you to walk your dog through the main dining room inside to get to the terrace!

thanks for your replies:

are you saying that Health and Safety regulations do not actually forbid dogs in restaurants and that it is up to the owners ? I did a search on the internet but I could not actually find anything about it. (although I am not going to stress my daughter by bringing our dog even if it were allowed !)

Also I presume that dogs are not allowed in pub in Ireland ? they used to let them in in the UK in the "old days", I'm not sure what's in vogue at the moment.

If I can sit at cafe and restaurant terraces with Amber, I'd better bring my winter coat ..... it's freezing in Ireland compared to Lyon.

Thanks for the tip on Wexford but we were thinking of going to Giants Causeway as we have never been.

Dominique

I have been to the giants causeway with my dog twice and dogs are welcomed there, loads of people bring their dogs to the causeway, they are allowed everywhere there except the shops, some of the bus drivers will allow them on the buses but it's a lovely walk anyways if they don't.

Is it northern ireland or the rebublic your staying in? NI might be a bit more dog friendly, any time Iv been up there Iv seen a lot of people walking round the towns with dogs, and I have sat outside a few cafes with my dog up there.

john t · 31-07-2010 12:42am

Hi, as owner of a dog im not adainst dog`s allowed in stores but if ask`d too leave we should do without any question..Trained or not only guide/ assistance/ police / sniffer type k9`s should be allowed enter premises or stores generally...

Cabaal · 31-07-2010 1:12pm

While I'm not agreeing either way I will say that Kildare Outlet is private property so regardless of if you were outside or not if they don't want dogs then they can legally enforce this all they want.

Shenshen · 01-08-2010 2:57pm

newdogowner wrote: »

Couldnt believe what happened when we dropped into Kildare Outlet on the way home from a trip to Cork.. a man actually chased me into the mini open air village asking me to remove my dog even tho i was well equipped to scoop up after him!! what discrimination... guide dogs are allowed into these places so its not as if they are anti-dog per se...
it really peed me off as i sat outside with a few others who had also been told to keep the dogs outside....

come on ireland....wake up a little....

Ok, you got chased out of one shopping complex, and all of a sudden that makes Ireland on the whole a totally dog-unfriendly country?
I have to ask you to re-consider... the amount of liberty given to dogs and dog-onwers here staggered me when I first arrived some seven years ago, and still strikes me as extremely odd and over-indulging to the animals and their owners today.

Example? In most European countries, a dog running around without any collar, tag or owner will be taken in by the authorities.
Here? The dog still runs around the neighbourhood at liberty every day while the owners are at work. The dog bit a little child last year, and for all I know there were no consequences for either dog nor owner.

Another example? Germany will fine you several hundred Euros if you don't pick up after your dog.
Here? That's totally up to the goodwill or lack thereoff of the owner.

I'm not saying that that fellow was right in demanding you leave (although I have to say the situation isn't exactly clear from your description), but that does by no means make Ireland a dog-unfriendly country.

Jinxi · 01-08-2010 3:21pm

Just came home from the park today. I was walking my 4 month old collie pup when we went onto the large green area. There were joggers about and I was literally reaching into my pocket to put her on a leash when another over-enthusiastic dog ran at her and she took off about 6 feet from me. The other dog ran of and Lilly looked around to try and find me. A jogger had stopped and my pup ran up and jumped up on her. She started screaming at me to control my f-ing dog and kept saying over and over how unfair it was.
I couldn't even speak. I teared up(so unlike me) and was shaking.
I walk her in the same park every day and everyone there walks their dogs off leash(unless restricted breeds or unfriendly dogs). I always put the leash on around joggers and children, but I really don't understand why if some one has such a phobia of dogs would they run in a public park full of them. I cannot bring my dog to a gym. She could run anywhere, but there is only one park in my town. She only screamed at me(and not the owner of the other dog who was hyper and aggressive).

Tootle · 01-08-2010 4:51pm

Jinxi wrote: »

Just came home from the park today. I was walking my 4 month old collie pup when we went onto the large green area. There were joggers about and I was literally reaching into my pocket to put her on a leash when another over-enthusiastic dog ran at her and she took off about 6 feet from me. The other dog ran of and Lilly looked around to try and find me. A jogger had stopped and my pup ran up and jumped up on her. She started screaming at me to control my f-ing dog and kept saying over and over how unfair it was.
I couldn't even speak. I teared up(so unlike me) and was shaking.
I walk her in the same park every day and everyone there walks their dogs off leash(unless restricted breeds or unfriendly dogs). I always put the leash on around joggers and children, but I really don't understand why if some one has such a phobia of dogs would they run in a public park full of them. I cannot bring my dog to a gym. She could run anywhere, but there is only one park in my town. She only screamed at me(and not the owner of the other dog who was hyper and aggressive).

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you here as a dog owner and a runner I think that runner was well within their rights to roar at you. It doesn't mean they have a phopia. It's because as far as they were concerned your dog was out of control and you could have caused them to fall. To suggest they run elsewhere is unfair. The park is public and I for one dislike gyms, and why should you have to run inside or elsewhere. When someone comes on here and makes an irrational suggestion like that about someone's dog there'd be an outcry. What about a) the runner wanting to get some fresh air and b) not running in the main roads where they have to jump into the ditch every five minutes to avoid traffic.
Much and all as it breaks my heart I will not take my pup off the lead in a busy park because due to him being, just that, a pup, I cannot garentee that he won't get distracted and run off with another dog or jump up for cuddles on someone who doesn't want him to. I'm sorry you got roared at but as a runner we get chased and barked at by that many dogs that you and your pup were tha last straw. Trying to suggest the runner run elsewhere is irrational.

Jinxi · 01-08-2010 4:59pm

Tootle
As stated she stopped to look at the other dog bowling over my pup. She had more than enough room to run around me and the dogs.
As you said EVERYONE has the right to be in that space. As for tripping she wasn't exactly sprinting and NO ONE has the right to roar at me or anyone.
There is a public running track in the town. There is no dog's only park.
IMHO she chose to roar at me because the owner of the other dog had a rottie on a leash and was a big guy.

Zapperzy · 01-08-2010 5:56pm

Shenshen wrote: »

Ok, you got chased out of one shopping complex, and all of a sudden that makes Ireland on the whole a totally dog-unfriendly country?
I have to ask you to re-consider... the amount of liberty given to dogs and dog-onwers here staggered me when I first arrived some seven years ago, and still strikes me as extremely odd and over-indulging to the animals and their owners today.

Example? In most European countries, a dog running around without any collar, tag or owner will be taken in by the authorities.
Here? The dog still runs around the neighbourhood at liberty every day while the owners are at work. The dog bit a little child last year, and for all I know there were no consequences for either dog nor owner.

Another example? Germany will fine you several hundred Euros if you don't pick up after your dog.
Here? That's totally up to the goodwill or lack thereoff of the owner.

I'm not saying that that fellow was right in demanding you leave (although I have to say the situation isn't exactly clear from your description), but that does by no means make Ireland a dog-unfriendly country.

The examples you give should not happen, they are just an example of poor laws we have in relation to animals. Dogs running free all day should be picked up by local authorities and the owners should be fined heavily and the dog removed if it happens again, but here in Ireland unfortunately laws are not strict enough and a lot of the time not enforced. I know of someone who rang the dog warden about a stray dog, he arrived with a rifle (and not a tranquilizer one) to shoot the dog dead rather than spend time and effort setting up a dog trap. Here the dog lost out, not the owner of the dog. And there should be much more enforcement of fining people who do not pick up after their dogs. In that sense I wish we more like europe.

What makes Ireland a dog unfriendly country is what people have been saying all along in this thread. Dogs (no matter how well behaved) are generally not allowed to go to the shops with their owner or sit outside a cafe/restaurant/bar while on a lead. As another poster pointed out, in france it's a regular thing for dogs to accompany their owners into restaurants/cafes/bars but here it's not allowed. This is what makes Ireland a dog unfriendly country when you compare it to countries in mainland europe.

Rigsby · 01-08-2010 6:28pm

Of course we are an "unfriendly" country when it comes to dogs. According to "Dogs in Distress" (see link) 16,500 healthy ones were put down in 2005. I doubt if that number has changed much since. AFAIK, this is one of the highest per head of population in western Europe.

Seems fairly "unfriendly" to me. :mad:

Link : http://www.dogsindistress.org/

Tootle · 01-08-2010 7:42pm

Jinxi wrote: »

Tootle
As stated she stopped to look at the other dog bowling over my pup. She had more than enough room to run around me and the dogs.
As you said EVERYONE has the right to be in that space. As for tripping she wasn't exactly sprinting and NO ONE has the right to roar at me or anyone.
There is a public running track in the town. There is no dog's only park.
IMHO she chose to roar at me because the owner of the other dog had a rottie on a leash and was a big guy.

Apologies if I mis-interpreted that it wasn't clear she had seen what happened. Perhaps she was rude to you but its very hard to judge a situation like that. I sometimes dont know what to so when I see dogs, stop or keep going. Sometimes if you run on they start running after you and barking at your ankles. Speed doesn't alwasys come into it. She could see the other owner had their dog on a lead and you didn't. I'm just trying to get you to see it from her side. Your dog was the one jumping on her not the rottie. You dont have to have a phobia of dogs to be nerous of them when running.
I still dont think banning runners from public parks and sending them off to the gym or to run circles around a track is the answer. Its the other dog owner you should be venting your anger.

Shenshen · 01-08-2010 9:01pm

Zapperzy wrote: »

What makes Ireland a dog unfriendly country is what people have been saying all along in this thread. Dogs (no matter how well behaved) are generally not allowed to go to the shops with their owner or sit outside a cafe/restaurant/bar while on a lead. As another poster pointed out, in france it's a regular thing for dogs to accompany their owners into restaurants/cafes/bars but here it's not allowed. This is what makes Ireland a dog unfriendly country when you compare it to countries in mainland europe.

I can't say for France, but German shops usually have signs outside telling owners if dogs are or are not allowed into the shop. Most shops I can think of will not allow dogs, especially shops selling food.

You can bring your dog to sit outside in restaurants and bars with you, but again very few owners will allow them inside.
As I understand, that's up to the owners here as well.

I think the main difference between here and much of the rest of Europe is the level of dog ownership. There seem to be a lot more dogs around here than on the continent.
Mind you, I've got quite a strong phobia of dogs, having been bitten when I was little, and seeing the number of dogs here, especially those walking around by themselves and unattended, freaked me out no end.

sparkling sea · 02-08-2010 5:02pm

Jinxi wrote: »

Just came home from the park today. I was walking my 4 month old collie pup when we went onto the large green area. There were joggers about and I was literally reaching into my pocket to put her on a leash when another over-enthusiastic dog ran at her and she took off about 6 feet from me. The other dog ran of and Lilly looked around to try and find me. A jogger had stopped and my pup ran up and jumped up on her. She started screaming at me to control my f-ing dog and kept saying over and over how unfair it was.
I couldn't even speak. I teared up(so unlike me) and was shaking.
I walk her in the same park every day and everyone there walks their dogs off leash(unless restricted breeds or unfriendly dogs). I always put the leash on around joggers and children, but I really don't understand why if some one has such a phobia of dogs would they run in a public park full of them. I cannot bring my dog to a gym. She could run anywhere, but there is only one park in my town. She only screamed at me(and not the owner of the other dog who was hyper and aggressive).

She may have been watching what happened and she may also have been afraid, either way your dog should not to able to jump up on her because you should be in full control of it. People don't ususally shout at other people unless something spooks them.

I can't go to the park at all because people bring their dogs there but refuse to keep them on leads and this makes me very uncomfortable - and its fairly obvious that I am not the only person who is nervous.

I think parks should be dog free zones, at least all people could use them, and not be inhibited from doing so by some dog owners.

ISDW · 02-08-2010 5:20pm

sparkling sea wrote: »

She may have been watching what happened and she may also have been afraid, either way your dog should not to able to jump up on her because you should be in full control of it. People don't ususally shout at other people unless something spooks them.

I can't go to the park at all because people bring their dogs there but refuse to keep them on leads and this makes me very uncomfortable - and its fairly obvious that I am not the only person who is nervous.

I think parks should be dog free zones, at least all people could use them, and not be inhibited from doing so by some dog owners.

Well not all people, cos then dog owners couldn't.

Tootle · 02-08-2010 6:49pm

sparkling sea wrote: »

She may have been watching what happened and she may also have been afraid, either way your dog should not to able to jump up on her because you should be in full control of it. People don't ususally shout at other people unless something spooks them.

I can't go to the park at all because people bring their dogs there but refuse to keep them on leads and this makes me very uncomfortable - and its fairly obvious that I am not the only person who is nervous.

I think parks should be dog free zones, at least all people could use them, and not be inhibited from doing so by some dog owners.

I dont think the dogs or the runners should have to leave the park :rolleyes:.
Can we please stop insisting that various groups leave the Public park. Maybe I should start declaring that children should not be allowed in the park. Dogs under control and cleaned up after, then everyone would be happy.

newdogowner · 02-08-2010 8:56pm

Many thanks for all the replies and it certainly generated debate..i had to PM "average runner" because i was highly offended to be labelled "irresponsible"..i am simply fed up of being told dogs arent allowed.. we were travelling home from Cork and stopped into Kildare for a quick look and i was going to potter around with the little fella while my partner had a browse in the shops..i am a dedicated and responsible owner and always stop to greet children when they wish to pat him and i even go so far as to say I ensure the safety of an other persons child more so than the actual PARENTS themselves so GIVE ME A BREAK plse...am planning to go to a wedding in september (outside dublin)and we wish to bring our little dog but are stuggling to find a dog friendly B+B which allows us bring him...this is typical of ireland .....

Rigsby · 02-08-2010 9:18pm

newdogowner wrote: »

am planning to go to a wedding in september (outside dublin)and we wish to bring our little dog but are stuggling to find a dog friendly B+B which allows us bring him...

Google "Dog friendly B+B's or Hotels Ireland". Should come up with a few.

lrushe · 02-08-2010 10:09pm

newdogowner wrote: »

am planning to go to a wedding in september (outside dublin)and we wish to bring our little dog but are stuggling to find a dog friendly B+B which allows us bring him...this is typical of ireland .....

http://www.petchums.com/services/pet-friendly-hotels-and-resorts/

Jinxi · 02-08-2010 10:17pm

Don't mean to go OT but walking a dog on a leash(most breeds) will never match a dogs energy burn requirements. I still think parks coulds be zoned into dog friendly vs unfriendly areas for those with phobias etc. Even if it was relatively small, dogs playing together burns was more energy.

Bill2673 · 03-08-2010 8:53am

I have a two year old child. Twice in the last month dogs have run up to him and jumped on him, in a friendly way, but still he was well scared. The first time was at the beach, a labrador, he screamed and screamed and it took me a good while to calm him down. The second time was in the street, I picked him up just was the dog was jumping on him. On this occasion, the owner smiled at me and said, "oh he's a bit nervous of dogs, is he?".....as if the problem was with my kid....

It leads me to think, is the problem with the owners not with the dogs. (Some owneres, not all, obviously). The dog owners here seem to making the assumption "if the dog is well behaved, then what is the problem"....but dogs are only going to be well behaved if they are trained. How many of you have done this?

We always had dogs in our family growing up, I'm very comfortable with them, always enjoy being with them.

But not everyone is like that, such as my two year old. And for that reason its not acceptable, in my view, to be out with a dog without a leash. But a good portion of the dog owning population doesn't see it that way.

(And thats before I even get into the dog crap debate & the many happy hours I have spent cleaning it off pram tyres).

03-08-2010 9:22am

I dont think we are dog unfriendly, more dog owner unfriendly . This is due to some bad owners. Its easier to say dogs are banned then have to clean up after an irresponsible owner. I wouldnt take it to heart .

lrushe · 03-08-2010 9:23am

Bill2673 wrote: »

I have a two year old child. Twice in the last month dogs have run up to him and jumped on him, in a friendly way, but still he was well scared. The first time was at the beach, a labrador, he screamed and screamed and it took me a good while to calm him down. The second time was in the street, I picked him up just was the dog was jumping on him. On this occasion, the owner smiled at me and said, "oh he's a bit nervous of dogs, is he?".....as if the problem was with my kid....

It leads me to think, is the problem with the owners not with the dogs. (Some owneres, not all, obviously). The dog owners here seem to making the assumption "if the dog is well behaved, then what is the problem"....but dogs are only going to be well behaved if they are trained. How many of you have done this?

We always had dogs in our family growing up, I'm very comfortable with them, always enjoy being with them.

But not everyone is like that, such as my two year old. And for that reason its not acceptable, in my view, to be out with a dog without a leash. But a good portion of the dog owning population doesn't see it that way.

(And thats before I even get into the dog crap debate & the many happy hours I have spent cleaning it off pram tyres).

I certainly see your point and would never allow my dog to jump on anyone let alone a child and yes all 3 of my dogs are fully obedienced trained. However do you know how many times I've had irresponsible parents allow their children to run up and try to grab my dogs, my Chihuahua especially, all the while smiling at me like I am supposed to think its cute that their child is trying to put my dog in a dead grip.
There are 2 sides to this story but I think it boils down to people not respecting other peoples boundaries.

Bill2673 · 03-08-2010 9:35am

Jinxi wrote: »

Just came home from the park today. I was walking my 4 month old collie pup when we went onto the large green area. There were joggers about and I was literally reaching into my pocket to put her on a leash when another over-enthusiastic dog ran at her and she took off about 6 feet from me. The other dog ran of and Lilly looked around to try and find me. A jogger had stopped and my pup ran up and jumped up on her. She started screaming at me to control my f-ing dog and kept saying over and over how unfair it was.
I couldn't even speak. I teared up(so unlike me) and was shaking.
I walk her in the same park every day and everyone there walks their dogs off leash(unless restricted breeds or unfriendly dogs). I always put the leash on around joggers and children, but I really don't understand why if some one has such a phobia of dogs would they run in a public park full of them. I cannot bring my dog to a gym. She could run anywhere, but there is only one park in my town. She only screamed at me(and not the owner of the other dog who was hyper and aggressive).

First of all: recognise that a person running/ jogging is expending a lot of effort, might be in a race, might be trying to get a certain time in the course....I know when I'm running I get thick when anyone or anything runs out in front of me. Wrongly. But it happens because the adrenaline is up. Its a chemical thing.

Second, dogs should be on a lead. Its the law. The person running knows this. They probably aren't thick because the dog approached them; rather because they know your dog should be on a lead, you know your dog should be on a lead, but the dog isnt on the lead. It is an annoyance in the same way that people who throw beer cans away in the park are an annoyance, in the same way that people who break red lights are an annoyance, that people who smoke upstairs on the bus are an annoyance.

No whether thats a fair law or not is another story, and we could yada yada yada about it all day. But the law it is nonetheless.

Jelly2 · 03-08-2010 9:50am

Once again, let's be reminded that it is not the law that a dog has to be on the lead. However, they must be under the control of their handler at all times. It seems quite apparent that the dog in this case was not under the control of the handler, and she was therefore in the wrong.

andreac · 03-08-2010 9:57am

Bill2673 wrote: »

First of all: recognise that a person running/ jogging is expending a lot of effort, might be in a race, might be trying to get a certain time in the course....I know when I'm running I get thick when anyone or anything runs out in front of me. Wrongly. But it happens because the adrenaline is up. Its a chemical thing.

Second, dogs should be on a lead. Its the law.
No whether thats a fair law or not is another story, and we could yada yada yada about it all day. But the law it is nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

You seriously need to get your facts straight, because it most certainly is not the law to have all dogs on a lead. There are certain breeds on the restricted breeds list that must be on a lead alright, but in general dogs do NOT have to be on a lead by law. They do however have to be under effective control but this does not necessarily mean on a lead so please refrain from posting information which is incorrect.

Please see link below on control of dogs act:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0032/sec0009.html#zza32y1986s9

Jinxi · 03-08-2010 10:52am

If you read my origional post you will see that

a)the jogger had plenty of room to jog around the situation and she had in fact stopped herself as she was freaked out about the other dog who was being aggressive sort-of

b) my dog was under my control until the interference of the other dog. I was in the process of putting the leash on, simply because of the joggers.

Bill2673 · 03-08-2010 10:55am

andreac wrote: »

Bill2673 wrote: »

First of all: recognise that a person running/ jogging is expending a lot of effort, might be in a race, might be trying to get a certain time in the course....I know when I'm running I get thick when anyone or anything runs out in front of me. Wrongly. But it happens because the adrenaline is up. Its a chemical thing.

Second, dogs should be on a lead. Its the law.
No whether thats a fair law or not is another story, and we could yada yada yada about it all day. But the law it is nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

You seriously need to get your facts straight, because it most certainly is not the law to have all dogs on a lead. There are certain breeds on the restricted breeds list that must be on a lead alright, but in general dogs do NOT have to be on a lead by law. They do however have to be under effective control but this does not necessarily mean on a lead so please refrain from posting information which is incorrect.

Please see link below on control of dogs act:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0032/sec0009.html#zza32y1986s9

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

(Although its hard to see how a dog can be under control if its not on a leash or being carried).

Bill2673 · 03-08-2010 10:55am

Jinxi wrote: »

If you read my origional post you will see that

a)the jogger had plenty of room to jog around the situation and she had in fact stopped herself as she was freaked out about the other dog who was being aggressive sort-of

b) my dog was under my control until the interference of the other dog. I was in the process of putting the leash on, simply because of the joggers.

Why did she have a go at you if the other dog was the problem?

Jinxi · 03-08-2010 11:10am

Bill2673 wrote: »

Why did she have a go at you if the other dog was the problem?

That was my origional question? The "owner" of the other dog was a dog walker. He had three dogs, one was a rottie on leash. My 4month old pup made the actual physical contact with her. I was nearer and an easier target. Looking back now, her reaction was sssooo OTT that she must have had a phobia. I feel sorry for her(but not as sorry as I felt for myself at the time).
Again, back on topic, I cannot see why there are not zones in parks for dog walkers.

adser53 · 03-08-2010 11:59am

Bill2673 wrote: »

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

(Although its hard to see how a dog can be under control if its not on a leash or being carried).

Under control means being properly trained (especially regarding recall)

CrowdedHouse · 03-08-2010 12:40pm

For the dog owners..

I'd just like to give a plug for the Kylemore Pass Hotel in Connemara...dogs are very welcome here.
We were there for the long weekend,nothing too fancy a clean comfortable small hotel where the doggies can stay in the room with you.Many of the rooms have direct access outside should you need to take out the dog.
The first night we were there we were going to the bar for a drink,instead of leaving the dogs in the room(in case they'd make a racket on their own in a strange place) we put them in the car,as soon as we got to the bar we were told that the dogs can come in too.
Makes a nice change and of course Connemara is beautiful

Also in the same neighbourhood dogs are allowed into Kylemore Abbey and Gardens(although not into the actual Abbey itself)

Jelly2 · 03-08-2010 12:45pm

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

For the dog owners..

I'd just like to give a plug for the Kylemore Pass Hotel in Connemara...dogs are very welcome here.
We were there for the long weekend,nothing too fancy a clean comfortable small hotel where the doggies can stay in the room with you.Many of the rooms have direct access outside should you need to take out the dog.
The first night we were there we were going to the bar for a drink,instead of leaving the dogs in the room(in case they'd make a racket on their own in a strange place) we put them in the car,as soon as we got to the bar we were told that the dogs can come in too.
Also in the same neighbourhood dogs are allowed into Kylemore Abbey and Gardens(although not into the actual Abbey itself)

While we're in the area:), I know that the management of the Leenane Hotel in nearby Killary Harbour is quite happy to have dogs stay in the rooms of the hotel. They also allow them to sit with their owners at the tables and chairs in front of the hotel. They serve food and drink there, and it's a lovely place to sit and admire the gorgeous view in the summer. Highly recommended.

Jelly2 · 03-08-2010 12:47pm

To Dominique, the French lady going to the Giant's Causeway!
A while ago, we stayed with our dogs at a B&B near there (they were allowed in the bedroom). It was called Seaview B&B, and the owner was Mabel. I think that we got the details from googling, but the B&B is registered anyway, so it should be easy to find the phone number if you are interested. It was very comfortable and the dogs got on great there!

Rigsby · 03-08-2010 1:35pm

adser53 wrote: »

Under control means being properly trained (especially regarding recall)

"Under control" means just that. Even an untrained dog is under control when on a leash, though I agree that a dog should be properly trained.

adser53 · 03-08-2010 1:50pm

I was responding to bill2673 who said he failed to see how a dog off leash was ever "under control" unless it was being carried. off leash dogs can only be considered "under control" if they are trained and have good recall. if your dog doesn't meet that criteria then the only way to abide by the law is to have them on a leash as otherwise they aren't under control

Bill2673 · 03-08-2010 1:52pm

adser53 wrote: »

I was responding to bill2673 who said he failed to see how a dog off leash was under control unless it was being carried. in my opinion off leash dogs can only be considered "under control" if they are trained and have good recall. if your dog doesn't meet that criteria then the only way to abide by the law is to have them on a leash.

Point taken, but is it not a theoretical one if it is the case that most dogs are not trained. (Maybe I'm wrong, but my guess is that 95% of family pet dogs have not been formally trained).

adser53 · 03-08-2010 1:56pm

I wouldn't say 95% aren't trained but it is true that there are a lot of untrained dogs and bad owners out there. these are the ones that ruin it for the rest of us

Bill2673 · 03-08-2010 1:58pm

Maybe what is needed therefore, in order to get a licence, is that all pet dogs must be formally trained? A bit like the drivers licence.

This would give non-dog owners more comfort; and would cut out a lot of owners for whom a dog is for Christmas not for life, and such like.

adser53 · 03-08-2010 2:26pm

i do agree there should be something to promote responsible ownership and training of owners as well as dogs. i think some countries already have something like that. educating people is a much better alternative to solving the problems rather than taking the easy options like breed specific legislation (which clearly doesnt work) aswell as harsher laws on people who are irresponsible owners.

Tootle · 03-08-2010 2:33pm

All the legislation in the world won't solve the problem unless there is someone to enforce it. As is, they don't even enforce the cleaning up of dog poop. I totally agree with education.

Ireland equals DOG UNFRIENDLY country

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