Luas Cross City (Line BX/D) [now open]

MJohnston · 06-02-2015 10:02pm

lxflyer wrote: »

Yes.

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/BRT-0150_225244-10_P1-672.pdf

Any plans for what happens to Western Way bound buses at the top of Parnell Square here?

LXFlyer · 06-02-2015 10:05pm

We don't know yet - that level of detail has yet to be planned out.

I would imagine DB would wish to retain the bus routes along Parnell Square West.

Sam Russell · 06-02-2015 10:08pm

lxflyer wrote: »

We don't know yet - that level of detail has yet to be planned out.

I would imagine DB would wish to retain the bus routes along Parnell Square West.

Certainly in the face of privatisation.

LXFlyer · 06-02-2015 10:17pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

Certainly in the face of privatisation.

Oh please, that's just nonsense, and nothing to do with this.

I'd suggest that you check your terms - it's route tendering and the first tranche is purely orbital routes so I really don't know what your point is.

I meant retaining PSQW for the routes going along Western Way or across to Mountjoy Square as otherwise you end up with more problems in terms of re-routing services.

Jamie2k9 · 07-02-2015 12:12am

lxflyer wrote: »

Yes - it's a six month trial.

I see, traffic on that street seems incredibly light since it closed but I don't think it was really bad with it open either.

Aard · 07-02-2015 2:38am

I think a lot of people were making right turns out of Bishop Street and it was being used as a rat run. Ey should have closed off access to Peter Row off Aungier St while they were at it too. It's far too dangerous at that junction, and the path is very confusing to follow. Especially given that it's at the entrance to one of the main college buildings in central Dublin.

cgcsb · 07-02-2015 9:41am

I always found it odd that there's no way for pedestrians to cross to the college without j walking

nowecant · 09-02-2015 4:17pm

So it is only the right turn from Bishop street to Aungier street that has been removed? http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-roads-and-traffic/current-roadworks-temporary-road-closures

Not the left around the Angier street DIT to Peter Row or the straight ahead to Diggs Street Upper? Seems like it might be hard to enforce

Also relating to Parnell Square I think the development of the Parnell Square Cultural Quarter will have an effect on traffic flow, especially as the plan seem to indicate the full pedestrianization of Parnell Square North http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-roads-and-traffic/current-roadworks-temporary-road-closures Something I am totally in favor of

Carawaystick · 09-02-2015 9:20pm

Never mind busses getting to western way, Blessington st could have a contra flow bus lane installed
But wouldn't Charlie Parnell have something to say about the bounds of a bus route

GerardKeating · 16-03-2015 9:30am

Saw this on Facebook, thought I might share it here.

Muahahaha · 20-03-2015 11:23am

Anyone know how the section at the former Maxol garage at Broadstone will look when finished? There was a motorcyclist killed there a couple of months ago and I've had two close misses myself at the point where buses go in and out of the depot. That spot is a disaster, there isn't even a white line denoting where vehicles should stop when exiting from Broadstone garage. Do they plan to build a slip road on the grassy bank for buses that are turning left exiting Broadstone? As it stands right now there is a dip in the road down Constitution Hill and I think drivers exiting the garage and turning left do not have a great view of what is to their right as they exit. Its also seems to be a disaster for buses turning right to get into Broadstone garage as cars come over the slight hill at speed while a slow moving bus is trying to get across two lanes of traffic.

stop · 23-03-2015 11:51pm

Still seeing vehicles come down Bishop St, turn onto Peter Row, then enter Aungier St against one-way traffic onto Peter Row..

nowecant · 25-03-2015 12:36pm

Does anyone know if the have started any work on the Station and Depot at Broombridge?

I see they have started working in the old railway cut recently but have no idea whats going on at the far end

LXFlyer · 25-03-2015 1:08pm

stop wrote: »

Still seeing vehicles come down Bishop St, turn onto Peter Row, then enter Aungier St against one-way traffic onto Peter Row..

Unreal - given that there are barriers to guide the traffic onto Peter Row and prevent such a turn.

Such people really should not be allowed on the roads.

Given that they only have to go 150m to turn onto Whitefriar Place from where they can legally turn onto Aungier Street, it just goes to show how some people really have no regard whatsoever for the rules of the road.

nowecant wrote: »

So it is only the right turn from Bishop street to Aungier street that has been removed? http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-roads-and-traffic/current-roadworks-temporary-road-closures

Not the left around the Angier street DIT to Peter Row or the straight ahead to Diggs Street Upper? Seems like it might be hard to enforce

All traffic coming along Bishop Street must turn left onto Peter Row - they cannot access Aungier Street or Digges Street Upper at all any more unless they make an exceptionally dodgy turn around some barriers as outlined above.

FreudianSlippers · 25-03-2015 1:58pm

nowecant wrote: »

Does anyone know if the have started any work on the Station and Depot at Broombridge?

I see they have started working in the old railway cut recently but have no idea whats going on at the far end

I'll have a look Saturday, but I don't think so.

monument · 25-03-2015 11:25pm

Image of works at Connaught Street:

https://twitter.com/CathalMacCoille/status/580774134319357952

Reuben1210 · 26-03-2015 10:10am

monument wrote: »

Image of works at Connaught Street:

https://twitter.com/CathalMacCoille/status/580774134319357952

link not working apparently!

GerardKeating · 26-03-2015 11:52am

Reuben1210 wrote: »

link not working apparently!

Works for me.

Zebra3 · 29-03-2015 12:26pm

nowecant wrote: »

Does anyone know if the have started any work on the Station and Depot at Broombridge?

I see they have started working in the old railway cut recently but have no idea whats going on at the far end

I'd seen new signs up on the platforms, nothing else.

Pete_Cavan · 29-03-2015 4:44pm

nowecant wrote: »

Does anyone know if the have started any work on the Station and Depot at Broombridge?

I see they have started working in the old railway cut recently but have no idea whats going on at the far end

The current works is only utilities diversions and enabling works contractors. The main contract for the construction of the actual tracks, platforms, overhead cabling, depot, etc. has not been awarded yet although this should happen in the next month or so.

LXFlyer · 29-03-2015 5:26pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The current works is only utilities diversions and enabling works contractors. The main contract for the construction of the actual tracks, platforms, overhead cabling, depot, etc. has not been awarded yet although this should happen in the next month or so.

The main contract has most certainly been awarded.

See here.

Work on the contract is due to start in June.

trellheim · 03-04-2015 4:19pm

If you want to see work in progress go look at where the Cabra station will be

monument · 05-04-2015 2:12pm

Old tracks being removed from Grafton Street (not recently!)
https://twitter.com/DublinJournal/status/530048959553994752

FreudianSlippers · 07-04-2015 9:38am

monument wrote: »

Phibsborough Luas stop artist's impression:

Nothing against the area, but it's going to be dodgy in the evenings.

loyatemu · 07-04-2015 10:49am

monument wrote: »

Phibsborough Luas stop artist's impression:

that lift location looks like an accident waiting to happen.

MJohnston · 07-04-2015 11:04am

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Nothing against the area, but it's going to be dodgy in the evenings.

The specific location a bit away from Kelly's Corner I think will make this a bit better than you're worried about, but they will need to blanket the place in CCTV.

AngryLips · 07-04-2015 11:17am

loyatemu wrote: »

that lift location looks like an accident waiting to happen.

It's hard to tell from this angle but it looks like the lift will be divided by a barrier between the platform and the lift entrance.

mackerski · 07-04-2015 12:19pm

MJohnston wrote: »

The specific location a bit away from Kelly's Corner I think will make this a bit better than you're worried about, but they will need to blanket the place in CCTV.

Doyle's Corner?

cgcsb · 07-04-2015 2:09pm

The location isn't especially rough, medium I'd say. Broombridge would be cause for concern.

matc66 · 07-04-2015 2:14pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Nothing against the area, but it's going to be dodgy in the evenings.

Why do you think that? It's not dodgy at the moment.

Kermit.de.frog · 07-04-2015 2:29pm

Dublin has not evolved to the point of open access transport systems like trams. The proof of this is the red line. I suspect the new line will just copperfasten this reality. The problems on this line will be just as big as the red line.

It's all so predictable.

donvito99 · 07-04-2015 7:11pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Dublin has not evolved to the point of open access transport systems like trams. The proof of this is the red line. I suspect the new line will just copperfasten this reality. The problems on this line will be just as big as the red line.

It's all so predictable.

The 'problems' are in my view overstated. There's nothing to stop Luas from prioritising security personnel at these stations, not to mention that the CCTV technology they employ is very good - this could be better advertised at stops.

Pete_Cavan · 07-04-2015 8:32pm

It is worth pointing out that neither Cabra nor Broadstone stations are actually under construction, the works currently ongoing are both enabling works contracts, a new bridge in Cabra and removing the petrol station at Broadstone.

LeinsterDub · 07-04-2015 11:32pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Dublin has not evolved to the point of open access transport systems like trams. The proof of this is the red line. I suspect the new line will just copperfasten this reality. The problems on this line will be just as big as the red line.

It's all so predictable.

Guarantee all the trams will end up in the Liffey

MJohnston · 08-04-2015 7:27am

mackerski wrote: »

Doyle's Corner?

Yerp! Sorry used to work near Kelly's corner and still mix them up

Muahahaha · 14-04-2015 4:58pm

cgcsb wrote: »

The location isn't especially rough, medium I'd say. Broombridge would be cause for concern.

AFAIK there is going to be a whole storage facility built at Broombridge for trams to park and be washed at nighttime. With that will come 24/7 security guards so I reckon Broombridge might get cleaned up somewhat. Also Luas seem to police their platforms alot more than CIE do, if the ticket machines get vandalised they wont be too long in posting a couple of Polish lads there whereas CIE just seem to leave them vandalised

hfallada · 15-04-2015 7:59pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

AFAIK there is going to be a whole storage facility built at Broombridge for trams to park and be washed at nighttime. With that will come 24/7 security guards so I reckon Broombridge might get cleaned up somewhat. Also Luas seem to police their platforms alot more than CIE do, if the ticket machines get vandalised they wont be too long in posting a couple of Polish lads there whereas CIE just seem to leave them vandalised

I dont understand why they wouldnt just put ticket machines on the trains. In Munich, you either buy a monthly ticket or 10 per-paid tickets at once or you buy ticket from the machine on the tram. Its a small basic machine with a few buttons and takes the German version of a Visa Debit. It means there isnt massive queues on the platforms for buying tickets like the Luas and people actually buy the ticket because its easier.

It would probably make more sense having ticket machines on green/bxd line rather than paying for security to stand there and stop vandalism of the machines

Jamie2k9 · 15-04-2015 8:00pm

hfallada wrote: »

I dont understand why they wouldnt just put ticket machines on the trains. In Munich, you either buy a monthly ticket or 10 per-paid tickets at once or you buy ticket from the machine on the tram. Its a small basic machine with a few buttons and takes the German version of a Visa Debit. It means there isnt massive queues on the platforms for buying tickets like the Luas and people actually buy the ticket because its easier.

It would probably make more sense having ticket machines on green/bxd line rather than paying for security to stand there and stop vandalism of the machines

What Germans do and Irish do are very different.

Carawaystick · 15-04-2015 10:32pm

hfallada wrote: »

I dont understand why they wouldnt just put ticket machines on the trains. In Munich, you either buy a monthly ticket or 10 per-paid tickets at once or you buy ticket from the machine on the tram. Its a small basic machine with a few buttons and takes the German version of a Visa Debit. It means there isnt massive queues on the platforms for buying tickets like the Luas and people actually buy the ticket because its easier.

How would you be sure there'd be internet connectivity in the cuttings on the greenline to validate credit/debit card purchases?

How would customers buy tickets on trams when they cna barely fit onto the tram due to high peak loads?

How would you deal with coinboxes being stolen?

How would you top up leap cards on trams with no guaranteed internet connectivity?

15-04-2015 10:44pm

I expect that he means have machines on the trams as well as at the usual locations, as for internet access, simply place sufficient access points along the route no problem.

padrepio · 15-04-2015 11:27pm

Is there a way of quickly topping up your Luas card online? There doesnt appear to an option easily visible on the website anyway.

Stark · 16-04-2015 12:01am

padrepio wrote: »

Is there a way of quickly topping up your Luas card online? There doesnt appear to an option easily visible on the website anyway.

Nope. I've found the easiest way of keeping it topped up is to setup a direct debit option.

hfallada · 16-04-2015 12:07am

Carawaystick wrote: »

How would you be sure there'd be internet connectivity in the cuttings on the greenline to validate credit/debit card purchases?

How would customers buy tickets on trams when they cna barely fit onto the tram due to high peak loads?

How would you deal with coinboxes being stolen?

How would you top up leap cards on trams with no guaranteed internet connectivity?

I assume they use a mobile phone network. Well trams get packed in Munich and people still buy tickets. German rarely have common sense in these situations and even they know not to stand in front of the ticket machines. Do coin boxes get stolen on the other train ticket machines in Ireland? We need to stop thinking Dublin is a third world country. I think 2 Dublin bikes have been stolen since it started. We can assume there will never be an empty tram for someone to rob on it.

AngryLips · 16-04-2015 10:06am

How do you deter fare evasion if you make it possible to buy tickets after you commence your journey?

Belfunk · 16-04-2015 3:21pm

AngryLips wrote: »

How do you deter fare evasion if you make it possible to buy tickets after you commence your journey?

In Melbourne the ticket machines are on the tram and it was a nightmare. If the tram was full you would have a hard time getting past people to the ticket machine. The odd time ticket inspectors checked tickets as you got off the tram you would simply queue to buy a ticket and stay on the tram for an extra stop.

GerardKeating · 16-04-2015 4:40pm

AngryLips wrote: »

How do you deter fare evasion if you make it possible to buy tickets after you commence your journey?

There was a case in Switzerland last year, after they abolished ticket sales on trains and make people buy them on the platform, or with your smart phone.

A passenger purchased a ticket, with his smart phone, while watching the train approach the station, and then boarded the train, later when challenged by a ticket checker, it transpired that it takes a few minutes to process the transaction, and the transaction was processed four minutes after the train left the station, and so he was fined 190 CHF, since he did not have a ticket when be boarded the train.

brownbeard · 16-04-2015 8:21pm

In case anyone missed it;
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/luas-link-to-airport-likeliest-alternative-to-metro-north-1.2177345

lucernarian · 16-04-2015 10:15pm

GerardKeating wrote: »

There was a case in Switzerland last year, after they abolished ticket sales on trains and make people buy them on the platform, or with your smart phone.

A passenger purchased a ticket, with his smart phone, while watching the train approach the station, and then boarded the train, later when challenged by a ticket checker, it transpired that it takes a few minutes to process the transaction, and the transaction was processed four minutes after the train left the station, and so he was fined 190 CHF, since he did not have a ticket when be boarded the train.

Though that wouldn't deter fare evasion after getting on board. It seems that the ticket still has to have been purchased in all aspects before boarding, in the Swiss case.

Schadenfreudia · 16-04-2015 10:19pm

GerardKeating wrote: »

There was a case in Switzerland last year, after they abolished ticket sales on trains and make people buy them on the platform, or with your smart phone.

A passenger purchased a ticket, with his smart phone, while watching the train approach the station, and then boarded the train, later when challenged by a ticket checker, it transpired that it takes a few minutes to process the transaction, and the transaction was processed four minutes after the train left the station, and so he was fined 190 CHF, since he did not have a ticket when be boarded the train.

That's the Swiss for ya!

I have a youngster who had a monthly student ticket that he forget - he was fined, he appealed (with evidence) and his fine was cancelled.

Fair play to the Luas operators.

hfallada · 16-04-2015 10:58pm

AngryLips wrote: »

How do you deter fare evasion if you make it possible to buy tickets after you commence your journey?

The ticket inspectors are plain clothed in Munich. They get on the tram, wait for the doors to close. If its the U-Bahn, they shout tickets and open their wallets to flash their IDs. Everyone shows their tickets and within in 90 seconds the whole carriage has been inspected. If they catch anyone, they collect the fine on the spot. If you dont have money they bring you to an ATM or kindly drop you to a police station where you will be released when someone can pay your fine.

One the trams they wait for the doors to stop, stand beside the ticket machines and wait 10 seconds. Then they inspect tickets. I imagine if you havent attempted to buy tickets within 10 seconds of getting on the tram. It can be assumed, you werent going to buy one

Luas Cross City (Line BX/D) [now open]

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