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Mass Effect 3

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    I just don't think i'd ever find out, as i always spend so much time on side missions and making sure i've done all conversations with my crew. I've never had anyone die, or get so pissed at me that they wanted to leave. Though i always seem to miss out on the final Illusive Man paragon option.

    I also vaguely remember Jahiera leaving for good when i tried to briefly remove her from my party in Baldurs Gate 2. Good riddance i say...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,912 ✭✭✭SeantheMan


    I'm waiting to complete the game, but I have to do this silly MP so I can get the galactic readiness, and these days there aren't as many people playing it, and especially being over in Asia the connection isn't great to whatever servers it's connecting to.
    I want Diana Allers dead, I missed the chance to kick her off the ship.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    SeantheMan wrote: »
    I want Diana Allers dead, I missed the chance to kick her off the ship.

    That i absolutely agree with. What an utterly useless character. She should be an enemy on the MP...people would flock back.

    On the MP side, i've never been as wrong as when i slated Bioware for including MP in a totally single player series. I couldn't believe they were adding it, and than i played it and absolutely loved it. Really well implemented, with excellent gamesplay and great classes. They also supported it really well for ages after release, adding new classes and a huge amount of new poweres. I've had some amazing games in it over the years.

    I know what i'll be playing this weekend :)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,589 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Kiith wrote: »
    That i absolutely agree with. What an utterly useless character. She should be an enemy on the MP...people would flock back.

    On the MP side, i've never been as wrong as when i slated Bioware for including MP in a totally single player series. I couldn't believe they were adding it, and than i played it and absolutely loved it. Really well implemented, with excellent gamesplay and great classes. They also supported it really well for ages after release, adding new classes and a huge amount of new poweres. I've had some amazing games in it over the years.

    I know what i'll be playing this weekend :)

    The multiplayer was surprisingly enjoyable. I think EA wanted an ME themed COD at one stage and this was a way to test the waters.

    Allers was a ploy to seal a good review from IGN IIRC, it ended up with 9.5 out of 10.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,752 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    chobot.. the only flaw in ME's voice acting


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,589 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    chobot.. the only flaw in ME's voice acting

    Not so much a flaw as a great gaping wound. It's like she didn't even try to convey any sort of emotion.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,796 ✭✭✭sweetie


    So apart from Citadel what other ME3 DLC is worth getting (it's reduced on xbl at the moment)? thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    sweetie wrote: »
    So apart from Citadel what other ME3 DLC is worth getting (it's reduced on xbl at the moment)? thanks

    You should try Arrival, it was hilarious. I think one of the developers let his teenaged son do the whole thing as a school project or something.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,589 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    sweetie wrote: »
    So apart from Citadel what other ME3 DLC is worth getting (it's reduced on xbl at the moment)? thanks

    I got the lot and I'm glad I did but it's nowhere near as good value as the Mass Effect 2 DLC. You could probably skip tat like outfits and weapons safely enough. I'd get From Ashes and anything that's free. You could look up the endings of Leviathan and Omega on Youtube. They're not great but might be worth it if they're discounted.

    Bottom line: From Ashes has Javik who's easily one of the better ME3 squadmates so it's the only one I'd class as a "must buy". He doesn't add much to the story aside from a mission on Thessia but I quite liked him.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    I enjoyed them all. From Ashes and Leviathan are the most important from a story point of view, and Citadel is the best of the lot.

    I also enjoyed Omega. It was combat heavy, but it was good combat so i didn't mind.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Kiith wrote: »
    I enjoyed them all. From Ashes and Leviathan are the most important from a story point of view, and Citadel is the best of the lot.

    I also enjoyed Omega. It was combat heavy, but it was good combat so i didn't mind.

    Loved the enemies it introduces.

    I thought they were the most fun to fight in the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,752 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Zillah wrote: »
    You should try Arrival, it was hilarious. I think one of the developers let his teenaged son do the whole thing as a school project or something.

    that's not ME3 DLC though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,319 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Rumours again that the Mass Effect Trilogy is going to be released on PS4 and Xbox One in March next year.

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BE TRUE!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    So just finished this after doing 1 and 2 a few years ago. I'd held off cause I heard the ending was really terrible but avoided spoilers since I knew I'd get to it at some point. Was in CEX the other day and saw it for €6. Time was right.

    What an epic game. I mean the battles really ramp up the whole way through. Yeah it has its flaws. Too many citadel missions, the mission logs not updating, the weapon upgrading seemed clunky and other things but as far as a story based game I have to say I really enjoyed it. And I got the origional ending which I thought was fine. My only issue was seeing Garrus walk off the Normandy the lousy no good snake was supposed to be right behind me going to the beam lol.

    I went for the destroy ending as it seemed the most fitting since Sheps whole purpose from the start is to destroy the Reapers. How the destiny ascention et al managed to survive though....... poor EDI. I didnt manage to get the best ending as I was like 1200 EMR from it. I wouldnt mind but I grinded nearly everthing. Just missing a few citidel missions i dunno where the extra points would come from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,319 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Joshua J wrote: »
    So just finished this after doing 1 and 2 a few years ago. I'd held off cause I heard the ending was really terrible but avoided spoilers since I knew I'd get to it at some point. Was in CEX the other day and saw it for €6. Time was right.

    What an epic game. I mean the battles really ramp up the whole way through. Yeah it has its flaws. Too many citadel missions, the mission logs not updating, the weapon upgrading seemed clunky and other things but as far as a story based game I have to say I really enjoyed it. And I got the origional ending which I thought was fine. My only issue was seeing Garrus walk off the Normandy the lousy no good snake was supposed to be right behind me going to the beam lol.

    I went for the destroy ending as it seemed the most fitting since Sheps whole purpose from the start is to destroy the Reapers. How the destiny ascention et al managed to survive though....... poor EDI. I didnt manage to get the best ending as I was like 1200 EMR from it. I wouldnt mind but I grinded nearly everthing. Just missing a few citidel missions i dunno where the extra points would come from.
    did you do any multiplayer (if it is still possible to get a game). I think you needed a certain percentage completion in MP to boost the points for the best ending. Would only take a handfull of MP, from memory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,752 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    That was patched fairly quickly out of the game - no longer need it - but i would suggest playing it, it's really one of the best co-op experiences you'll ever play


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    Don't think I patched it tbf. I checked online and seems like I got the 2nd best ending so it'll have to do. Great game though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,752 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    ah man, you need to try out a batarian soldier - petrol bombs everywhere! :D awesome :)


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 28,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shiminay


    The ME3 multiplayer was one of the best surprises of the year for me when it came out. I had a huge amount of fun with it and was lucky enough to play it at an EA press event a few months before it came out, so I knew it was gonna be a lot of fun. One of the few times where a supposedly "tacked on" multiplayer mode was a breath of fresh air for the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Alright lads, doing a bit of backlog clearing and have this in my sights, picked it up January 2014 for 7 Euro in an xtravision sale, played 3 hours and got distracted by something else, but now I'm ready to give it the time it needs.

    I know there's a lot of negativity around the ending , so just a few quick questions before I start out. Keep in mind I have managed to avoid spoilers since the game launched.

    1. I kept everyone alive through 2 - is this reflected in 3 in any meaningful way?
    2. Do I get to resolve the whole genophage storyline?
    3.is it possible to get the best ending without playing any multiplayer or app games (when the game started last night, there was an update, and war readiness went to 50%)
    4. And this is the most important :-) is it possible to successfully romance Tali? I was with liara in 1, Miranda in 2, and dirty dof Shepard wants to go 3 for 3 !


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    .

    1. I kept everyone alive through 2 - is this reflected in 3 in any meaningful way?
    2. Do I get to resolve the whole genophage storyline?
    3.is it possible to get the best ending without playing any multiplayer or app games (when the game started last night, there was an update, and war readiness went to 50%)
    4. And this is the most important :-) is it possible to successfully romance Tali? I was with liara in 1, Miranda in 2, and dirty dof Shepard wants to go 3 for 3 !
    1. yes and no. there's always a minor character floating around who'll pick up the reigns regarding important moments. for instance, Morden has a big story part, but if he was killed in part 2, that just goes to another Salarian scientist.

    2. yes

    3. I don't give much attention to multiplayer so can't really answer that...sorry.

    4. yes. pretty much every character is romancable. i romanced loads but got to a point about three quarters of the way through where i was locked into one and romance options never appeared in the dialogue for te other characters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    And this is the most important :-) is it possible to successfully romance Tali? I was with liara in 1, Miranda in 2, and dirty dof Shepard wants to go 3 for 3 !

    Liara and Miranda can be romanced by both male and female shep but Tali can only be romanced by a male shep so keep that in mind.

    Also, the game is years old. No need to spoiler stuff guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Kirby wrote: »
    Also, the game is years old. No need to spoiler stuff guys.

    It's like using spoiler tags for Star Wars at this stage. The ending was dragged all over the internet for the best part of a year too. I'd say people who don't even play games know how this ended by accident.

    If you haven't gotten around to playing the series yet then the story line spoilers are probably not going to be a big deal to the person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    It's like using spoiler tags for Star Wars at this stage. The ending was dragged all over the internet for the best part of a year too. I'd say people who don't even play games know how this ended by accident.

    If you haven't gotten around to playing the series yet then the story line spoilers are probably not going to be a big deal to the person.

    Happily I can say I've manage to avoid any and all discussion of the ending - apart from picking up the general vibe that the majority thought it was terrible, so bad in fact that Bioware went back and extended it to try and quell some of the ill will.

    Anyway, I'm 8 hours in and getting back into it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Happily I can say I've manage to avoid any and all discussion of the ending - apart from picking up the general vibe that the majority thought it was terrible, so bad in fact that Bioware went back and extended it to try and quell some of the ill will.

    Anyway, I'm 8 hours in and getting back into it.

    It is good all the way through regardless of how it all plays out. It's just the last 15 mins. Still to this day it annoys me what it all came down to. It's like a long essay you write for homework, it's late, you run out of time but have to finish it so you just end it with " and then I woke up" type of thing.

    I still would have liked if they ran with the dark energy and reaper connection theory than what they went with. It would have raised the stakes of really saving the universe never mind the galaxy.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,402 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    The ending is what it is but some of the best moments of the entire series are in the third game regardless imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,319 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    It is good all the way through regardless of how it all plays out. It's just the last 15 mins. Still to this day it annoys me what it all came down to. It's like a long essay you write for homework, it's late, you run out of time but have to finish it so you just end it with " and then I woke up" type of thing.

    I still would have liked if they ran with the dark energy and reaper connection theory than what they went with. It would have raised the stakes of really saving the universe never mind the galaxy.

    I'd have been fine with the ending we got, had it all been down to the indoctrination theory that went around and explained almost everything brilliant. Had that been the reason behind the ending, it would have been a GREAT ending, imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    The ending is what it is but some of the best moments of the entire series are in the third game regardless imo.

    Cool,

    I'm going to unfollow for a bit as It'd be a shame to spoil it for myself now after waiting so long. see ye in 40 or so hours I suppose!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    It is good all the way through regardless of how it all plays out. It's just the last 15 mins. Still to this day it annoys me what it all came down to. It's like a long essay you write for homework, it's late, you run out of time but have to finish it so you just end it with " and then I woke up" type of thing.

    That's what happens when you change writers and go from a collaborative effort from a team of people around a table......to a some hack writing the ending in his bedroom in two days. That's not an example, That actually happened for ME3.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Just popping in for a Quick Update -
    Really enjoying this so far, I've just visited Tchanka and cured the genophage. Sad to see mordin go :( that fight between the Reaper and the thresher maw was awesome. Back to the citadel now, and I've put down councillor Udina after fighting off the cereberus forces.

    the only gripe Id have, is that it seems that weapons selection , upgrades, etc is largely inconsequential, particularly for your teammates. I reckon you could leave them with their starting weapons and they'd probably perform the same way. The gameplay is almost gears of war -lite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Some of the DLC weapons are utterly godlike ... in the hands of the the CPU.

    But tbh I never let it bother me; I found the different weapons in ME3 very satisfying.
    The M-55 Argus from the Leviathan DLC is bloody awesome; it's basically a rifle that behaves like a mid-range shotgun with a serious kick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    They never got the weapon upgrade system right in any of the games. Probably came closest in 2 but 3 was a pain with all the pop-ups when you leveled up to 5, which was silly in of itself. 1 was the most straight forward and easy to use and prob my favorite except you'd end up with like a bazillion credits lol. My greatest regret of all time was decideing to kill Kaidan only to realise I'd given him the OP omni tool that you got on a mission. What a waste.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Ok, said I'd check back in now that I've completed it plenty spoilers in the wall of text below me including discussion of who lived / died and choices I made.


    1. I Completed the Game with the extended cut installed
    2. I chose to destroy all synthetics (by accident - i wanted to take control of the reapers, but once you walk so far, you cant turn back) So the Geth and EDI were wiped out,
    3. both of the team members I took to earth survived, as did everyone else (apart from cortez, legion, modin and EDI).

    So, the ending.... I don't have the benefit of knowing what the shorter ending is so could someone fill me in on what the big controversy was about.

    I thought it was epic that shepard sarcrificed himself, and the goodbyes that were said in the run up to the assault on the pillar of light were genuinely moving. The reveal of the Illusive man being indoctrinated made sense, in that it was all the plan of the catalyst that shepard would have to make the final choice on how to deal with the reaping of organics.

    Fair enough, the creators of the catalyst and the original reapers was not covered, but I would consider them to be analogous to Gods - or an advanced synthetic race that had become aware and decided that the war between synths and organics would destroy both sides eventually, thus they made the "calculus of war decision" to eradicate the advanced species before they could advance far enough to create a synthetic that would become aware - this is also a throwback to EDI - A self aware AI - The catalyst mentions that humans were not reaped in the previous cycle, it was only when they got sufficient advanced that the reaping commenced.

    If it was the scene with the stargazer and the boy saying "tell me another story about the shepard" I can only assume that is a flash forward to the future - where Shepard has become the stuff of legend.


    Final Verdict - Terrific game, and IMO a satisfying conclusion to the series. Also, that last shot of shepards chest, and the gasp for air really lifted my spirits.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted



    So, the ending.... I don't have the benefit of knowing what the shorter ending is so could someone fill me in on what the big controversy was about.

    It was mostly the realization that all your choices up to that point were meaningless. people expected their decisions throughout the games to reflect what ending they got, instead you could play ultimate paragon or ultimate renegade and still be left standing at that crossroad. Even if you still had the same three endings but your choices locked you into one of them, it would have been better.
    None of the three endings themselves are that great. Bioware spends three games going on about how evil the reapers are and when you finally get the chance, it paints the "destroy Reapers" ending as the bad option.

    Then there was the whole explanation for why the reapers exist. Even though it was barely an undertone throughout all three games, now it was suddenly all about synthetics and organics inability to live in peace together. so the reapers wipe out organic races so they don't get wiped out by synthetics. genius.
    Also, everything the starchild says is contradicted by Legion and the peace between Geth and Quarrian.

    Angry Joe has a top ten video of what's wrong with the ending, and while the first four were explained away (badly) by the longer ending, the rest are still pretty valid.


    I love the first two Mass Effects and 99% of the third one, but felt the ending was a real disappointment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Adyx


    The creation of the reapers is covered to a large degree by the Leviathan dlc which is decent enough as dlc goes. I never had a big problem with the ending (although I also never saw it without the extended cut) as playing the game is always more important to me than the ending. The problem I did have with it is that's more or less exactly the same ending as Deus Ex: both HR and the first one. Combine with synthetic life, destroy synthetic life ushering a new dark age or basically allow synthetic life to continue to control/destroy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I would consider them to be analogous to Gods - or an advanced synthetic race that had become aware and decided that the war between synths and organics would destroy both sides eventually, thus they made the "calculus of war decision" to eradicate the advanced species before they could advance far enough to create a synthetic that would become aware

    It is utterly baffling to me that anyone can consider this idea to be anything other than ridiculous.

    Yo, gonna kill all the organics because they might make synthetics that might kill the organics that way they won't make synthetics that could kill the organics so I'll just kill all the organics.

    It's like if I see you with matches I go burn down your house with you inside of it because your matches are dangerous because you could burn down the house with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Zillah wrote: »
    It is utterly baffling to me that anyone can consider this idea to be anything other than ridiculous.

    Yo, gonna kill all the organics because they might make synthetics that might kill the organics that way they won't make synthetics that could kill the organics so I'll just kill all the organics.

    It's like if I see you with matches I go burn down your house with you inside of it because your matches are dangerous because you could burn down the house with them.

    Hey, I didn't write the game, that's essentially the definition of the reaper origin As dictated by the catalyst. He even says something along the lines of 'i am a vi, in that you are an animal' also, he infers that the original reapers were made from an organic race against their will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Hey, I didn't write the game, that's essentially the definition of the reaper origin As dictated by the catalyst. He even says something along the lines of 'i am a vi, in that you are an animal' also, he infers that the original reapers were made from an organic race against their will.

    Yes, that is what the game says, which means the people who wrote the dialogue are idiots.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,752 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Zillah wrote: »
    Yes, that is what the game says, which means the people who wrote the dialogue are idiots.


    What about the people that liked the dialogue? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    What about the people that liked the dialogue? :D

    I'm one of them for sure, TBH, whilst the 3 way choice was probably off putting to some, I thought it actually explained it all away fine. They could have gone with a simple "fire the cannon - all the reapers die, smiles all round" but the ending they went with and the explanation for the what the reapers are actually made sense to me. (again I played using the extended cut, and I'm aware from browsing sites that there were scenes missing, like showing what happened your teammates on the way to the pillar of light)

    The more I think about it, the more inclined I am to go back and read up summarys on the plot of ME1 and 2, as I'm not fully sure of How Sovereign and Saren factor into it - (I assume they were some sort of scouting party) and the Role of the Harvesters.


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