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The Breast Feeding Support Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭How Strange


    clare82 all I can advise is that you stop using the shields and wait to see how you get on when the baby arrives. Women with inverted nipples can breastfeed otherwise how would the human race have survived this long. There's a whole side industry devoted to convincing women that they can't breastfeed without their products.

    Best of luck with your last few days


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    I was thinking of sending a report for Tuesday. Naming brands alone really annoyed me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    These are the new growth charts which all hse staff should be using since January.

    http://www.hse.ie/eng/health/child/growthmonitoring/
    I looked into it there. S went from the 25th percentile to the 10th.


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Drdoc


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    I looked into it there. S went from the 25th percentile to the 10th.

    As far as I know wolfpawnat, it is only considered an issue at all if baby slides down 2 centiles. Your little one has only dropped 1 centile line. And variation between centiles is normal when growth spurts are taken into account etc. And the 10th centile isn't even that small!

    Sounds like she's doing just fine. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭holding


    holding would you send a complaint to the hse your service/your say and email Siobhsn Hourigan at the same time? If we don't complain about the appalling lack of support and knowledge then nothing will change.

    It was all such a blur at the time, that never even crossed my mind. It's mad, even with the terrible PHNs who have been running my breastfeeding 'support' group, it's never once crossed my mind to complain to anyone. You're right though, I will get onto it :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭aknitter


    Make sure they also used the girls chart, could be the world of difference.

    Hope your little man settles in school, poor fella has had a lot of upheaval with the baby and all. If it helps I think my 2 year old has forgotten what life was like before the baby. I know there is a huge diffence between 2 and 4 but with extra cuddles and kisses over the next few weeks I'm sure he'll settle. Try to relax with the 2 children together - my fella loves cuddling next to me when I feed lying down on the couch.

    I had to give the baby an expressed bottle of milk over the weekend - think we had a nursing strike or it could be the 3 month growth spurt - my two year old was so confused when he saw me doing it, he's fine when Dad does it but it was super weird to see Mam bottle feeding, I'm quiet proud of that actually!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    I was at the Rotunda today for a ultrasound on her hips. I noticed that there was a bf group there today so I went. I told the one running it about the less than helpful doc the other day, she took note of it and reported it to the person in charge of bfing in general.

    According to the lactation woman today, she is a little underweight (not much) and she is basing it on her height and build as well as age. She taught me new feeding techniques to decrease reflux and crying so not too much energy is used crying, and how to get the best of the hind milk for extra fats (like holding said) I feel better after that, she was great. Went finding her file in the offices. Even though it's a pain transport wise, I am going to go in again next week. She wants me to change the date of the weighing until Thursday afternoon. I want to see if I can do it with the PHN, trying to organise getting my son home from school and hospitals nearly 2 hours public transport away.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭How Strange


    That's all positive wolfpawnat.

    Also try spending as much time as you can in bed snuggling and feeding in the days before getting her weighed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    It makes it far more easy to stomach when you are told, yes she is a little underweight and it is not just chart based and when you are told and taught what to do to negate in. When a plan is set out to deal with the problem rather than just stick a formula bandaid on it, it makes it easier going forward.


  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭holding


    Girls a question about multivitamins. I need to buy some. Regular multivitamins say to check with your doc before taking if you are breastfeeding, because of the levels of vitamin A. But the price difference between regular multivitamins and special breastfeeding multivitamins is crazy - at least 15 euro more for the latter. Is the vitamin A thing a real thing or is it just a marketing con/ over cautious thing?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭dublinlady


    holding wrote: »
    Girls a question about multivitamins. I need to buy some. Regular multivitamins say to check with your doc before taking if you are breastfeeding, because of the levels of vitamin A. But the price difference between regular multivitamins and special breastfeeding multivitamins is crazy - at least 15 euro more for the latter. Is the vitamin A thing a real thing or is it just a marketing con/ over cautious thing?

    Vits A, D, E and K are fat soluble vitamins - the rest are not. So basically they are the ones it is possible to overdose on - regardless of pregnancy or breastfeeding. So caution is always advised. It's one thing I would be careful about... But often the pregnacare original vit is on offer in pharmacies? Might be worth shopping around?


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Drdoc


    As DL said, vit A can accumulate and has been shown to be toxic in high levels and affect development, well at least while baby is developing in utero. In extreme cases it can actually cause birth defects. So would def be cautious.
    I do agree though, the pregnancy/breastfeeding ones are ridiculously expensive!! I usually take one every second day to help spread the cost. Did have to question myself though when I sat down yesterday evening with my McDonald's and my vitamins.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭holding


    Thanks ladies, will shell out for the special ones so, and keep an eye out for offers. Such a price difference though! Very annoying :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭holding


    Verrrry sore again here the last couple of days. He is almost six months, so think it is down to a combination of teething, him pulling off an on and kneading the nipple the whole time, and me expressing more (for donation). This too shall pass, right?! Last night's feed reminded me of how awful it was at the start, and how close I came to giving up!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭cyning


    Can you turn down the intensity on the pump? It might help. Teething killed me: but she bites so that might be why!! It does pass definitely :)

    I think I've had my last feed with C. She was still feeding at 5 and 7am but hasn't for the last two days. I'm not sorry now to be honest my nipples are in agony I'm 17 weeks so about time: another 23 weeks and I'll be back into it again :)

    And now I just need to convince her to stop twiddling my nipples. She'll probably make a liar out of me and try feed all night tonight ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    holding wrote: »
    Verrrry sore again here the last couple of days. He is almost six months, so think it is down to a combination of teething, him pulling off an on and kneading the nipple the whole time, and me expressing more (for donation). This too shall pass, right?! Last night's feed reminded me of how awful it was at the start, and how close I came to giving up!

    How about changing feeding position? I found it easier to feed with the child sitting on me rather than lying across me from about five months. I found the first couple of teeth the worst, then they seem to adjust to feeding. Delatch and relatch if you're being bitten, they'll soon learn not to bite!

    I know donation is great but I'd be reconsidering it if its affecting feeding your child. It might be a bump in the road, but I wouldn't keep at it if its going to make you consider quitting!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭dublinlady


    Amazing u can donate & feed ( as lazygal said so long as its not detrimental to ur own which I'm sure ur watching closely) I would love to think I could do it but it takes all my physical & mental reserves to just feed S! Having good days and bad at moment just cis she's not really sleeping very well and I'm knackered! Think she's upset when losing soother.... I think the soother fairy might come today as I'm off work for weekend. She's not hungry as she stops as soon as gets it! Last night was every half hour til 3am when I fed her. Had meeting at 8 this morn for work and I was slurring my words from tiredness! Nice calm weekend ahead!!
    S is doing serious tugging of my skin and pulling at me also - think ill get a necklace for her to play with!
    Have decided now I'm this far ill keep going til 6 months anyway, with breast feeding is that 24 weeks or calendar wise... I know it's splitting hairs but I'd like to mark it as a big achievement! Maybe then ill wean but maybe set a new target instead.. I can't see myself being happy to stop in 4 weeks - it's just been a bad week with work and sleep but it would not be too much easier, if at all , if she was formula fed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭How Strange


    dublinlady are you going through week 19? There's also the 4 month sleep regression. A has been waking for 2 hours every night for last 3 weeks. Last night was the first time she slept between feeds.

    It's exhausting and I so happy to be going into the 5th month.

    This little lady is way more aware of us eating. I didn't have that with O. I'm definitely waiting until 6 months but it's going to be harder this time around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭holding


    Thanks for the support girls. Cyning, I don't seem to have let down til the pump is turned way up but haven't thought about turning it down after that. I think it's because he's such a barracuda, and I need to have it up to mimic his suckle. Will try!

    Re the donating - I've only 3 more days to donate so will be stopping daily pumping after that and maybe just do every second day so I build up our own stash (can't donate once he's turned 6 months which is in about a week - I've 3 more of their bottles left to fill and I can fill a bottle a day). It doesn't hurt when I'm pumping at all, just later when little dude is on with his new chewy gums. The donating is definitely not affecting him, he's still feeding for as long as he ever did, and is as happy out with wet nappies etc as he ever is.

    3 feeds since I posted that last night and it hasn't been as bad. What is it about late nights that make things worse :) I've been more careful with his positioning since it started to get so sore so hopefully that will help too. Thanks girls.


  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭aknitter


    How long between poo's is normal for a baby exclusively breastfed? My fella has gone a week without pooing and I took him to the nurse and she gave me suppository and to use if he hadn't gone by the next day - 8 days and I had to use them. But not as much came out compared to when he goes himself - he does not like the suppository at all (who can blame him) so am not keen to use it.

    He is not off form, has no temp and is eating and sleeping (when the 2 year old lets him!).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Drdoc


    aknitter wrote: »
    How long between poo's is normal for a baby exclusively breastfed? My fella has gone a week without pooing and I took him to the nurse and she gave me suppository and to use if he hadn't gone by the next day - 8 days and I had to use them. But not as much came out compared to when he goes himself - he does not like the suppository at all (who can blame him) so am not keen to use it.

    He is not off form, has no temp and is eating and sleeping (when the 2 year old lets him!).

    Anything up to every 2 weeks can be normal for bf babies. The rule kind of is that there is no normal.
    Baby should only be considered constipated if stools are hard. If they're soft then it's your babies normal (edit: assuming baby is happy and pain free of course). Most of breastmilk is used up.
    Surprised the nurse gave you a suppository to be honest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭cyning


    How old is he aknitter? Breastfed babies can get constipated while still having soft stools, but you know that they are in pain. Serious pet peeve of mine after months of problems!! C would cry if lay flat, go off boob, and cry with every very smelly fart. While up to two weeks can be normal, they don't normally go from going every day say to not going for two weeks. In general though they can go a lot longer because so much of the breast milk is absorbed, and so little goes to waste. It is very uncommon for breastfed babies to get constipated but it does happen.

    I know using suppositories sucks. Try plenty of belly massage (lots of vids on you tube show you how to work to get their bowels moving). A nice bath and lots of tummy time can help too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭How Strange


    My friend emailed jack newman with a similar scenario. He said after 4 weeks anything up to 20 days can be normal if the baby is otherwise content.

    My son went 3 weeks during his 5th month. He changed from twice a day to 3 weeks. It was absolutely toxic when he finally did go. Then he was back to twice a day again.

    holding fair play for donating.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭How Strange


    World Breastfeeding Week is next week and the breastfeeding challenge takes place on the Saturday. I went with O in 2011 and there was a great buzz around the place

    http://www.friendsofbreastfeeding.ie/wp/quintessence-breastfeeding-challenge-2013/

    Onceborn are giving a 25% discount for the week. Just enter OfferBF at the checkout. I might buy a boob long sleeve top. My friend gave me one of hers and it's so comfie and easy to feed in. They also look great with jeans etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭aknitter


    Problem solved, he pooed! His farts were smelly but it was loose and he had no bother going so I don't think he was constipated but still like to keep an eye on these things. This is the longest I've breastfed so uncharted territory! He's 14 weeks old. Thanks guys.

    Nurse gave the suppository as she felt his tummy was a little hard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭cyning


    If there was no pain and it was soft and he's not in bad form I'd definitely think just think it's his new normal :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭holding


    Glad to hear you got a result aknitter!


  • Registered Users Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Blueskye


    One of my little boys was admitted to hospital tonight. His eye has had green mucous in it on and off the past few weeks and a swab showed a type of meningitis bug. He's fine otherwise but will start IV antibiotics tonight. He was so upset after they finally managed to put in canula, I was delighted to be able to bf him to calm him. It took 3 attempts. poor little fella :( He was distraught.

    We spent the afternoon in A&E, so handy to bf as GP told me to bring both twins just incase. No messing around with bottles.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭Nead21


    Holding I'm really glad to hear I'm not the only one with the chewy gums problem. I cant seem to feed my little fella lying down now so I have to get up for his early morning feed (which I haven't done since I learned how to feee lying down). I was wondering why my nipples were sore. Thanks for the revelation :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭aknitter


    Side effect of being a Mammy is an unhealthy obsession with other peoples bowel habits!

    Blueskye, sounds awful, hope your little man is ok breastfeeding comes into its own in unexpected situations.


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