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Imagine launch Midband Ripwave Replacement - WiMAX

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Into Everything


    I emailed Imagine to see when their price plans would be available and I was told that it won't be available now until the end of next week.

    Losing interest in this very fast.

    Copy of emal received:

    Hi and thanks for contacting Imagine - great to hear from you.

    Rest assured we're reading your email and will be back to you shortly.

    Just so you know, by the end of next week our products and pricing will go live on our website at http://www.imagine.ie/ so why not check it out? We think you'll be impressed.

    Thanks for the mail,

    The Imagine Wimax team


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    How hard is it to decide on pricing :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Into Everything


    It seems that its very hard. I would have thought that they would have had a pricing structure in place before they had their launch. It seems that is not the case.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Into Everything


    I have just received another email from Imagine.

    Hi Justin


    Thanks for you're mail. We've had a great response since the launch of WiMax.

    Unfortunately i cannot give you any indication as to when the pricing will be released. At the moment we are working to make it the very best it can be.

    I can assure you WiMax will not be a disappointment. WiMax is a 4G technology backed by some of the biggest names in the industry.

    If you have any other question feel free to mail me again

    Thanks again

    Lynsey

    I would love to know how they have had a great responce when they can't even release the pricing plans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    We've had a great response since the launch of WiMax.

    I'd love to know how they consider this launched? There's no information available on what it will be, what it will cost, where it'll be available, and no one seems capable of answering any of that.

    I'm going to launch my passenger service to Mars next week. I can't tell you how much a ticket will cost, how long it will take to get there, or how fast we'll be traveling, but I can tell you that the technology involved will be "space ships".

    Watch this space <pun intended>.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Into Everything


    You can put me down for one of those seats on your spaceship. Will it have broadband!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭gerky


    Am I missing something? the site has either changed backed to the old one or this is another attempt at a new one, looks like an older one though but I can't remember what the old one looked like hadn't been on it years and there's no mention of wimax at all now as far as I can see.

    (Edit) Its back, and yet still no info apparently it'll be released soon:rolleyes:


    Seriously what are they doing and by they I mean you as we know threads like these are being kept an eye on, why not do what other companies have done and have someone come on here and actually tell people some proper info and stop spewing one liners over and over again, by pushing PR and not actually backing it up with anything substantial you'll just turn people against you and even if the service turns out to be okay people will steer clear as a bad rep is a hell of a lot easier to get than to get rid of.
    Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? its work similarly in this situation, if you keep claiming that this is so great and have nothing to back that up then when/IF the service is actually up and running properly people won't bother listening.

    End rant


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    jor el wrote: »
    I'd love to know how they consider this launched? There's no information available on what it will be, what it will cost, where it'll be available, and no one seems capable of answering any of that.

    Launched and then shilled to bejaysus on boards by imagine staff and associates....and nothing after all that :mad: At this stage I think they did it because

    1. Cowen was free on the day.
    2. They are trying to get some spectrum out of Comreg ( nothing is announced in the 3.6ghz band yet )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    2. They are trying to get some spectrum out of Comreg ( nothing is announced in the 3.6ghz band yet )

    The intial 3.6 GHz stuff is through and a lot of the rural ISPs were underbid with prices, that aren't viable. It'll take comreg a while to post who got the licenses, but you can figure the rest out yourself.

    /M


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    So the allocations are known to the bidders, thanks Marlow.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Kev.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    So the allocations are known to the bidders, thanks Marlow.

    The bidders that lost out know, what price they were outbid on. That's about as much information we got. But yes, from talking to the others, we've got a fair clue on who got allocations and who didn't.

    If you mean, that the bidders know, what allocation they've been assigned, then yes, the letters of the result for the bidding round arrived a good while ago.

    /M


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭zod


    Kev. wrote: »


    he mentioned a similar service rollout in Russia called YOTA.

    From : http://www.yota.ru/en/services/main/

    With Yota, internet becomes part of your everyday life. Wherever you are, at home, in office, in a car, in a park, if you are within the coverage area, you always have access to internet. Check your e-mail, listen to the music, communicate on your social networks, watch online videos or download large files. You are free in your choice, and there is no traffic or time limit. Yota offers simple unlimited traffic plans – you pay a fixed amount and enjoy wireless internet with speeds up to 10 Mbps


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭flodis79


    The Fool wrote: »
    Breeze operates at 3.5G but this is considered Broadband

    Considered by whom? Yes, by themselves, but that goes for all mobile bb providers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭flodis79


    I have just received another email from Imagine.

    Hi Justin


    Thanks for you're mail.

    Good God..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭The Fool


    Look if you live in a city and you have magnet/ntl/fiber into you house you're not going to be blown away, but for many people who live in Balygobackwords and can't even get a decent dial up service are more then happy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭The Fool


    flodis79 wrote: »
    Considered by whom? Yes, by themselves, but that goes for all mobile bb providers.

    Don't have it myself, but general opinion on boards seems to be ok. Not exactly same as "other mobile providers" as it's line of sight, and not 3g


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    flodis79 wrote: »
    Considered by whom? Yes, by themselves, but that goes for all mobile bb providers.

    Breeze is a fixed wireless product, nothing to do with mobile BB :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    The Fool wrote: »
    but for many people who live in Balygobackwords and can't even get a decent dial up service are more then happy

    Happy with what? This will not be available outside of urban areas. People without broadband, or midband, will not benefit from this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    I though they were launching their price plans on Thursday ?

    It's Friday now!


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  • Subscribers Posts: 16,592 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    thats 2 annouced deadlines they've missed, getting a bit farcical at this stage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    copacetic wrote: »
    thats 2 annouced deadlines they've missed, getting a bit farcical at this stage.

    The crazy thing is they seem to already know their prices but won't release them judging from the 50% cheaper than what you'd pay with eircom line on the website.

    So what are they waiting for? The other BB providers to react before they launch? They don't seem to know how to launch a service.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    All the expensive PR campaigns in the world won't help your credibility if you don't deliver!

    I'd suggest they have a word with the 'Boy who Cried: Wolf!'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭The Fool


    Solair wrote: »
    All the expensive PR campaigns in the world won't help your credibility if you don't deliver!

    I'd suggest they have a word with the 'Boy who Cried: Wolf!'

    Let's get a Lynch party together ;)


    I for one am adopting a wait and see for a couple of months n Leave the Sales/Pr gimps spin there spoof


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭_Kooli_


    I was dying to go with Imagine, but after this debacle i dont believe a word they say now. Im just going with someone else and i'll see if imagine have a product when my contract runs out. No point waiting for imagine if they produce rubbish PR like they are now. They might not even be available for years at this rate.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Heard quite a funny story about this, the plan was to recall about 1000 ripwave units and reissue them with wimax units , however they have run into problems.

    Lots of these units are with Ho Chi Dwo and Jerzy Slutsky types who have passed them on to friends who have continued to pay the monthly charge . The 'real' customer is long gone and the contact info is out of date , that and many of them have no english anyway .

    What was planned as an orderly swap of say 1000 ripwave units and to reuse or sell the ripwave units _somehow_ is now anything but !


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭musicmonky


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Heard quite a funny story about this, the plan was to recall about 1000 ripwave units and reissue them with wimax units , however they have run into problems.

    Lots of these units are with Ho Chi Dwo and Jerzy Slutsky types who have passed them on to friends who have continued to pay the monthly charge . The 'real' customer is long gone and the contact info is out of date , that and many of them have no english anyway .

    What was planned as an orderly swap of say 1000 ripwave units and to reuse or sell the ripwave units _somehow_ is now anything but !

    why would this be a problem...? so someone moved out and the new person is paying the bill with old person details.. . doesn't stop them upgrading the units. customer data is out of date , but thats nothing I haven't heard of before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    musicmonky wrote: »
    why would this be a problem...? so someone moved out and the new person is paying the bill with old person details.. . doesn't stop them upgrading the units. customer data is out of date , but thats nothing I haven't heard of before.

    The problem is, that you can't easily get hold of who has the unit.

    There is another another way of doing this and that is to just basically shut down the Ripwave service and to people that then call in, because it isn't working, ship a new unit.

    The issue would be, that there is downtime, possible bad publicity and a chance of loosing the customers. Then again .. ripwave has plenty of bad publicity anyway :)

    /M


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    a shutdown means they will not see lots of these ripwave units ever again and they do want them back


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    a shutdown means they will not see lots of these ripwave units ever again and they do want them back

    Correct. But that's the risk, when you're selling a mobile product, that any average joe can buy in the supermarket. The product is mobile, you don't know who has it and i'd say it's been paid for some time ago.

    Personally, I'd just write'm off. But that's just me.

    /M


  • Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭ArseBurger


    Marlow wrote: »
    There is another another way of doing this and that is to just basically shut down the Ripwave service and to people that then call in, because it isn't working, ship a new unit.

    A splash page is the way to do it. It doesn't even need a walled garden approach. Link this with an incentive such as a discount.

    The shapers that Imagine use can do this...

    I am sure they've thought of this. If not, I'll pop them over an invoice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    ArseBurger wrote: »
    A splash page is the way to do it. It doesn't even need a walled garden approach. Link this with an incentive such as a discount.

    The shapers that Imagine use can do this...

    I am sure they've thought of this. If not, I'll pop them over an invoice.

    Sure that can be done. The problem there, is if the user never uses web-based services (ok .. unlikely, but could happen) or can't do english :) Then they wouldn't know what's up.

    Anyhow . .. pointless discussion :D

    /M


  • Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭ArseBurger


    Marlow wrote: »
    Sure that can be done. The problem there, is if the user never uses web-based services (ok .. unlikely, but could happen) or can't do english :) Then they wouldn't know what's up.

    You use multiple languages. Either all on the splash page or based upon your browser's configuration.

    It's been done before. The capture rate is in the 90's when reward based.


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Hammer of Thor


    Screw it, I wasn't happy with Irish Broadband/Imagine when I had their ripwave service, and from reading the comments here I can see their attitude towards customers and prospective customers hasn't changed a bit.

    On the upside tho I did a little rooting about to see what other countries who already have this system in use think and came across this -
    http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/clearwire-and-sprint-slinging-wimax-to-nc-hi-and-tx-in-november/
    if you do care to take a looksee at some current users comments at the bottom I think you might be surprised! Being a consistent cynic myself I always think the worst when I hear about these things, but the majority of these guys seem to be satisfied with it, one chap even mentions that he has no problems using the PS3 with it.

    There's also some mention of pricing, but it is the States, so we could mabe convert then triple the price? Ah there I go again with the cynicism!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    if you do care to take a looksee at some current users comments at the bottom I think you might be surprised! Being a consistent cynic myself I always think the worst when I hear about these things, but the majority of these guys seem to be satisfied with it, one chap even mentions that he has no problems using the PS3 with it.

    There's also some mention of pricing, but it is the States, so we could mabe convert then triple the price? Ah there I go again with the cynicism!

    You can not necessarily compare to other countries, especially the states. They have other frequency bands in lower frequencies, that they can use for WiMAX.

    Ripwave used 2.4 GHz and 3.5 GHz. The new service will most likely be 3.5-3.6 GHz spectrum. The performance, latency and reliability is impaired by being at a lot higher frequency as for example in the states. Any building affects you more, the higher the frequency used is.

    Don't compare apples and pears. Compare apples and apples. Right now, you can compare any mobile WiMAX rollout in Ireland with: Ripwave, Clearwire and Go!. Those are the only existing mobile WiMAX rollouts here in Ireland.

    Other countries, other scenarios.

    Oh and to give you another indication. 3G (and later maybe LTE) is at 2.1 GHz in Ireland. Much better chance for getting a signal.

    /M


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  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Hammer of Thor


    Well gorramit you had to go and burst my bubble huh! lol, fair enough, duly noted!


  • Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭ArseBurger


    Marlow wrote: »
    Don't compare apples and pears. Compare apples and apples. Right now, you can compare any mobile WiMAX rollout in Ireland with: Ripwave, Clearwire and Go!. Those are the only existing mobile WiMAX rollouts here in Ireland.

    Be careful defining mobile WiMAX and nomadic/fixed.

    There's a definite difference in providing a 802.16e network as opposed to an 802.16d network.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    ArseBurger wrote: »
    Be careful defining mobile WiMAX and nomadic/fixed.

    There's a definite difference in providing a 802.16e network as opposed to an 802.16d network.

    Sure there is. I'm just saying, it is used in other frequency bands in other countries that cope better with Line of Sight and even though there will be improvements, you can not break physics.

    If it's nomadic/mobile WiMax, it stays midband.

    /M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Hi,
    I'm currently using RipWave as my main home broadband. I use my mobile phone to get online when I'm out and about with a data package on o2.

    Ripwave is fine, I'm on the 1mb package, it's 18.95 a month. I'm not pushed paying the extra tenner for 2mb and I like the fact I can take it anywhere and don't need anything installed on the building I'm in.

    Is WiMax a viable replacement? Could I get the "mobile" version and this would be better than my 1mb ripwave AND my o2 data package? So I could just get WiMax and ditch ripwave and the o2 data package I wonder?

    Any feedback appreciated :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭jellies


    Marlow wrote: »
    You can not necessarily compare to other countries, especially the states. They have other frequency bands in lower frequencies, that they can use for WiMAX.

    Ripwave used 2.4 GHz and 3.5 GHz. The new service will most likely be 3.5-3.6 GHz spectrum. The performance, latency and reliability is impaired by being at a lot higher frequency as for example in the states. Any building affects you more, the higher the frequency used is.

    Don't compare apples and pears. Compare apples and apples. Right now, you can compare any mobile WiMAX rollout in Ireland with: Ripwave, Clearwire and Go!. Those are the only existing mobile WiMAX rollouts here in Ireland.

    Other countries, other scenarios.

    Oh and to give you another indication. 3G (and later maybe LTE) is at 2.1 GHz in Ireland. Much better chance for getting a signal.

    /M


    The spectrum band used for any wireless network affects coverage. Agree with that.

    But I cant see how it affects reliability or performance?

    Reliability is generally dictated by things like the network design, and resilience of the kit.

    Performance is a function of the techology itself. How well does it perform? What are the throughputs? What is the latency? etc. Not spectrum.

    And....how is latency affected by frequency?
    c= f x l - i.e. speed through the air does not change with frequency. Latency would be dependent on the underlying technology, chipsets, backhaul nodes, interference etc. It's not affected by the spectrum band.

    Ripwave and Clearwire also are not WiMAX. Totally different technology.

    So, performance at 3.5GHz should be similar to the 2.6GHz band used in the states...provided you are in coverage. The user experience of the technology should also be very similar.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    jellies wrote: »
    But I cant see how it affects reliability or performance?

    Reliability is generally dictated by things like the network design, and resilience of the kit.

    It is affected in the sense, that reliability is not only uptime. It takes also packet-loss, signal-issues etc. into account.

    So, if you are on the boundaries to the coverage and since it is a mobile device, you can loose connectivity more easy as in a fixed setup.
    jellies wrote: »
    Performance is a function of the techology itself. How well does it perform? What are the throughputs? What is the latency? etc. Not spectrum.

    Again. Only time will show, because you won't see the real life figures until they load the network up.
    jellies wrote: »
    And....how is latency affected by frequency?
    c= f x l - i.e. speed through the air does not change with frequency. Latency would be dependent on the underlying technology, chipsets, backhaul nodes, interference etc. It's not affected by the spectrum band.

    I didn't say frequency affects latency. Because WiMAX in a fixed wireless setup at 3.5 GHz works brilliantly. I pointed out, it's a mobile/nomadic service at 3.5 GHz. 3.5 GHz is a microwave band and in general should be used for Line of Sight applications in my opinion, to get the optimum result.
    jellies wrote: »
    Ripwave and Clearwire also are not WiMAX. Totally different technology.

    Wrong. I think you need to do some more research. Ripwave is a pre-standard of WiMAX. One of the very early ones. Navini's 802.16e solution is called Ripwave-MX and is their replacement for the early ones.

    Clearwire uses WiMAX after the 802.16d standard I believe.

    Corrections are welcome, but they are both WiMAX nomadic deployments.


    jellies wrote: »
    So, performance at 3.5GHz should be similar to the 2.6GHz band used in the states...provided you are in coverage. The user experience of the technology should also be very similar.

    I do disagree very much on that. You need more signal power due to the higher frequency to archieve the same, due to the longer travel-distance of the signal. It is after all .. microwaves.

    More power means less users or more contention than it would have been at 2.6 GHz. Ergo affects performance.

    /M


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    cormie wrote: »
    Ripwave is fine, I'm on the 1mb package, it's 18.95 a month. I'm not pushed paying the extra tenner for 2mb and I like the fact I can take it anywhere and don't need anything installed on the building I'm in.

    Is WiMax a viable replacement? Could I get the "mobile" version and this would be better than my 1mb ripwave AND my o2 data package? So I could just get WiMax and ditch ripwave and the o2 data package I wonder?

    Any feedback appreciated :)

    I assume that if you are happy with Ripwave you must be quite close to the mast , if in a big city that mast will be upgraded to wimax and they will replace your home kit.

    Therefore you should be no worse off.

    If in Dublin they will ( in certain areas for certain) have more spectrum than is available to o2+ripwave combined and should be able to offer a better service on wimax . They may have applied for this extra spectrum in the other big cities too , I don't know as comreg have published nothing yet .

    However it is also important to note that when ripwave is replaced the replacement device will be almost exactly like the O2 dongle and not a ripwave and will not have an external aerial like a ripwave unit does.

    That will affect its performance for many unless more cells are rolled out .I do not believe the same number of cells will be able to provide the service you get now in a big city ( where ripwave has been rolled out) and they will have to increase the number of cells .

    Only time will tell .


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Hammer of Thor


    Still no word from Imagine about pricing and average quality stats?

    Do ya think everyone who's posted here should email them with a link to this thread with a few expectant question marks???-???


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    @Cormie again

    I forgot that many people have plugged their ripwaves into top floor bedrooms and run a network cable through the house to where they use the service .

    That will no longer be possible when the dongle is powered by the computer itself and is no loger a free standing unit like a ripwave .

    Fortunately I know :D that Imagine read this thread a lot and I strongly advise them to engage with Dovado who have a long running sticky going in this very forum so that an Imagine Wimax dongle can be plugged into a Dovado unit and the signal can be boosted across the customer premises on unlicenced wi-fi to where it is required.

    I see no reason why Dovado would not be very interested ....had they a dongle and drivers to play with :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    I see no reason why Dovado would not be very interested ....had they a dongle and drivers to play with :D

    Yep. And if they don't want to play ball, there are also DrayTek and AVM's Fritz! Box, who already support 3G dongles. Should be easy to add support for other USB type dongles.

    /M


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Marlow wrote: »
    Yep. And if they don't want to play ball, there are also DrayTek and AVM's Fritz! Box, who already support 3G dongles. Should be easy to add support for other USB type dongles.

    It should indeed , and whether Dovado Draytek or Fritzbox it is in all cases cheaper than rolling out extra cells ...which is something Imagine understands very very well :p

    Dovado had the manners to engage with Irish midband users unlike Draytek and Fritzbox and should be give first shot at it IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    ArseBurger wrote: »
    You use multiple languages. Either all on the splash page or based upon your browser's configuration.

    It's been done before. The capture rate is in the 90's when reward based.

    Even if they just said for recycling they'd get a lot of them back, giving a discount such as a free months service on WiMax service if they sign up for it would probably work.

    Either way I don't see why its taking so long to get it going. Surely they knew about these problems before launching a massive marketing campaign.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Thanks for that info Sponge Bob. Yes, at the moment I'm in a Dublin suburb and the connection although quite slow sometimes, is consistent and as long as I can stay connected to the likes of MSN without interruption and get emails as they arrive, then I'm happy with that. I do have to pause and wait for say youtube videos to load, sometimes for quite some time, but really I don't need more.

    I have my ripwave modem connected to a wireless router and I'm not the only one who uses it. This could be a problem with Wimax and I really don't fancy having a dongle hanging out the side of my laptop either. It would probably only last a few weeks before it gets broken.

    If Wimax can be wifi'd and gives me much faster speeds and can be taken mobile and costs less than €25 per month (the cost of ripwave and o2) I'd be interested. If it's in any way like the midband that I once had with Three, no thanks. I also wouldn't fancy having to buy a new route (the Dovado thingy) just for this but again, I'd consider it if even with having to buy this, it was competitive.

    Thanks again for the info. Any idea how long it'll be before all this is known for sure I wonder?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Well do remember that with a dongle the key 'sharing' of the service will be done by your pc to the wifi router and if the pc is not there the nothing will work , with the Dovado unit it matters not , it replaces your current wi fi unit .

    Also consider that the cost of ripwave + o2 is surely more than €25 a month .....or are o2 giving you some €5 a month data add on to a mobile rather than a dongle ??

    Finally remember that the ( current) Dovado is only €130 delivered from their Irish distributor , see

    http://www.commsoft.ie/shop/

    Not too onerous and the rest of the house can use it if you are not there . Alternatively it may share an o2 dongle ( or even a 3 dongle , bless :p ) if you take your imagine dongle off with ya


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Hi again,
    I'm not too sure what you mean in your first sentence.. I only have the laptop. The wireless router (linksys) and ripwave modem are in another room, plugged in beside the window. I get the signal on my laptop and so do others on theirs. There's no "server" pc or anything like that, I'm not sure if that's what you meant though :)

    Yep, I have a €7.50 (I think that's what it costs) add on for o2 data so that's where the €25 comes from.

    €130 delivered is still quite expensive for the unit. That would be nearly 7 months broadband with ripwave at present:o


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