Protest against cuts and Government greed.

Cantona's Collars · 20-02-2012 12:55pm #1

There is a Rally/Protest on next saturday, February 25, 2012 at 10:00am until 1:00pm at The Fairgreen Enniscorthy.

A protest against the goverment giving themselves big bonuses while people are struggling with pay reductions , social welfare cuts , sna cuts ,cuts to special needs entitlements , the household tax etc .We need numbers so please support.

There has already been a protest held outside Paul Kehoe's constituency office against his awarding himself a €17,000 per year pay rise.

Another blatant "FUCK YOU" to the ordinary people of Ireland who elected this shower in the hope of change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAT_HKGqE6k

FRIENDO · 22-02-2012 9:46pm

zerks wrote: »

There is a Rally/Protest on next saturday, February 25, 2012 at 10:00am until 1:00pm at The Fairgreen Enniscorthy.

A protest against the goverment giving themselves big bonuses while people are struggling with pay reductions , social welfare cuts , sna cuts ,cuts to special needs entitlements , the household tax etc .We need numbers so please support.

There has already been a protest held outside Paul Kehoe's constituency office against his awarding himself a €17,000 per year pay rise.

Another blatant "FUCK YOU" to the ordinary people of Ireland who elected this shower in the hope of change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAT_HKGqE6k

Thanks zerks,

My family hope to go and give great support

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Cantona's Collars · 23-02-2012 12:26am

Flyers have been hitting peoples letterboxes about this,it's also a protest against the household tax.

I'm not involved in the organisation of this,just a concerned citizen who is sick of what's going on in the country as us ordinary folk get it in the neck while the fat cats get richer.

The videos here demonstrate the feelings of anger up and down the country.

http://nohouseholdtax.org/category/video/

Judgement Day · 23-02-2012 12:40am

Nice to see the Shinners recycling the old election posters!

Good to see the picket at Paul Kehoe's office but I hear he had flown the coop before the protesters arrived. I don't like FG/FF/Labour or SF but the 'mainstream' parties are playing into right into the hands of the latter. Whatever happened to the socialists like our own Brendan Howlin or the 'stickie' Eamon Gilmore.

allthedoyles · 23-02-2012 12:49am

Seems to me that only opposition parties will disagree with Goverment policy.

B.Howlin and E. Gilmore have no choice only to believe brainwash themselves that they are doing the right thing .

Remember ' its not what your country can do for you , but what you can do for your country '

Cantona's Collars · 23-02-2012 1:03am

Judgement Day wrote: »

Whatever happened to the socialists like our own Brendan Howlin or the 'stickie' Eamon Gilmore.

I always voted Labour but sorry guys ye're time is up,so much for the socialist cause and fighting for the working man,they've turned into Fine Gael Lite.

We've seen this county neglected by politicians over the years and the amount of unemployment here stands testament to that neglect.

Ledger · 23-02-2012 1:17am

You're completely right. But its not just us, its the entire region that is being ignored.

chieftan65 · 23-02-2012 6:58pm

Ledger wrote: »

You're completely right. But its not just us, its the entire region that is being ignored.

All the posts on this thread are right. And yes the entire region has been ignored, but let wexford make a stand now, lets show these elite few that they dont own the country, that they are just there to do a job and that they are answerable. For too long now we've taken everything they want us to and just grumbled and got on with it, how long more are we prepared to do this??? True we now have a committee instead of a government due to the fact that we are being governed by the european parliment but let us now get together and tell this committee that we have had enough, earn your fat salaries and bonuses instead of taking the easy option and continue to squeeze the people who gave you those jobs for every last cent they have. I dont know who organised this demonstration but i think every man woman and child in this county should support it and show the rest of the country that wexford at least still has a fighting spirit and is not prepared to lie down and be walked on. I will be there saturday I hope to see thousands more there too. LOCH GARMAN ABU

FRIENDO · 24-02-2012 11:22pm

zerks wrote: »

at The Fairgreen Enniscorthy.

Hi guys,

Just to make sure as I'm coming from outside the town, is the Fairgreen The Duffrey (Pettitts) ?

Thanks

Tzar Chasm · 25-02-2012 1:14am

allthedoyles wrote: »

Seems to me that only opposition parties will disagree with Goverment policy.

B.Howlin and E. Gilmore have no choice only to believe brainwash themselves that they are doing the right thing .

Remember ' its not what your country can do for you , but what you can do your country for '

FYP ;)that seems to be the general attitude of the Government

on a more serious note

I got this circular from The Hairy One today

Hi All

A series of protests have been organised for this weekend. Protests will take place at three different venues on Saturday to coincide with the national day of protest. The details are as follows:

Wexford: White line picket on Wexford Bridge, meeting in the Ferrybank Car Park at 1pm.
Enniscorthy: Meeting at 9.30 am in the Fairgreen Car Park. Protest mach will begin at 10am around the town finishing outside the constituency office of Paul Kehoe.
Gorey: Protest on the main street at 2pm.

Numbers have been high at the most recent meetings and the campaign is strengthening. Lets do our best to engage more and more people and large numbers on Saturday will show the Government that our campaign is not going away.

Thanks,

Mick
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Mick Wallace, TD
WEXFORD
mick.wallace@oireachtas.ie
www.mickwallace.net

Dáil Eireann
Leinster House
Kildare Street
Dublin 2
Ph: 01 6183287

Judgement Day · 25-02-2012 11:40am

From today's well attended protest in Enniscorthy - speeches still going on in background as I post this.

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Can't pay, won't pay!

FRIENDO · 25-02-2012 4:41pm

Well done to everybody,

My family and I supported both in Enniscorthy and Gorey today,

Thanks

Can't pay, won't pay!

Cantona's Collars · 25-02-2012 8:24pm

Great turnout this morning in Enniscorthy,with people of every demographic there.What was strange though were the bemused looks from some people along the route,it's as if they never even heard that the government are trying to impose this tax on them.

A Nigerian Prince has more chance of getting my details and €100 from me than Fine Gael have.

CAN'T PAY,WON'T PAY

Tzar Chasm · 26-02-2012 2:58am

Fairly small turnout on the bridge, but the message seeed to be getting through, great moment before we started tho, Brendan Howlin had been in the Riverside for lunch and emerged to find he had parked his car by our gathering point, the fear in his eyes was visible, and he was an ignorant Prick, I asked him why he wasRunnig away rather than listen to the valid concerns of those who voted him into office, I got a clipped reply of 'who the f*** are you' Me I'm one of your constitutants C*** the ignorant Fck seemed very serious in his intent to drive over us mere mortals

bmaxi · 26-02-2012 10:56pm

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Fairly small turnout on the bridge, but the message seeed to be getting through, great moment before we started tho, Brendan Howlin had been in the Riverside for lunch and emerged to find he had parked his car by our gathering point, the fear in his eyes was visible, and he was an ignorant Prick, I asked him why he wasRunnig away rather than listen to the valid concerns of those who voted him into office, I got a clipped reply of 'who the f*** are you' Me I'm one of your constitutants C*** the ignorant Fck seemed very serious in his intent to drive over us mere mortals

More than likely we paid for his lunch too.

jpb1974 · 27-02-2012 1:11pm

As a matter of curiousity has anyone paid the household charge yet?

Do you plan on paying?

Personally I don't intend on paying it. Time for the people of Ireland to stand up and say 'enough is enough'.

And all this talk about taking it directly from people's social welfare and the like is a load of crap if you ask me. Just verbal threats to scare people into paying.

FRIENDO · 27-02-2012 6:03pm

jpb1974 wrote: »

Do you plan on paying?

CAN'T PAY,WON'T PAY

Cantona's Collars · 27-02-2012 10:00pm

BTW, they want anyone who is exempt to register too,as if that's gona happen.

They want to catch everyone in the net just in case they need to charge those who are exempt in the future,plus they are asking what type of water supply your home has,to introduce water charges no doubt.

http://www.wexford.ie/wex/PayOnline/HouseholdCharge/Thefile,19568,en.pdf

FRIENDO · 27-02-2012 10:16pm

Good information on the Protest
http://nohouseholdtax.org/

Sinn Fein also have some good info and pictures from the Enniscorthy Protest.
http://wexfordsinnfeinnews.blogspot.com/
I must have been walking behind the photographer, as I was at the end near the banner.

chieftan65 · 29-02-2012 12:19am

i wont be paying. I'm lucky enough to have a job so I'm already paying my fair share. Why would I want to pay another 100 euro and get nothing in return for it??? i'm already paying PRSI. As for this 100 euro going to the upkeep of local amenities? i'm paying car tax, dont see much of that going for the upkeep of the roads. The threat of deducting this money from peoples wages and social welfare payments just makes me more determined not to pay, they cant touch fingelton and drumm and several others cause it would require them to change laws, cant cut judges wages cause it would require a change to the constitution. they seem to have no problem raiding private pension funds and making deductions from wages and social welfare payments. So much for our socialist labour party. So no I wont be paying

patff · 29-02-2012 1:19am

So, there's going to be a referendum on the EU Fiscal Compact Treaty. :rolleyes:

More likely it will be about the household charge/property tax and a general protest vote against the current regime.

Can't pay, won't pay!

bmaxi · 29-02-2012 10:57am

chieftan65 wrote: »

i wont be paying. I'm lucky enough to have a job so I'm already paying my fair share. Why would I want to pay another 100 euro and get nothing in return for it??? i'm already paying PRSI. As for this 100 euro going to the upkeep of local amenities? i'm paying car tax, dont see much of that going for the upkeep of the roads. The threat of deducting this money from peoples wages and social welfare payments just makes me more determined not to pay, they cant touch fingelton and drumm and several others cause it would require them to change laws, cant cut judges wages cause it would require a change to the constitution. they seem to have no problem raiding private pension funds and making deductions from wages and social welfare payments. So much for our socialist labour party. So no I wont be paying

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The rules are written by the wealthy for the wealthy.

Cantona's Collars · 14-03-2012 3:10pm

Anti Household Tax meeting in The Brandon House Hotel in New Ross 22nd March @ 8pm.

National Rally in Dublin the 31st,deposits will be taken at the New Ross meeting from people willing to go to the Dublin Rally by bus.

Cantona's Collars · 15-03-2012 11:45pm

Did anyone hear the piece on Ray Darcy this morning,a woman from Ballymoney suggested that maybe those who didn't want to pay could donate the €100 to Crumlin Childrens Hospital as they need to raise €8 million.A TD completely shot down the idea with the rhetoric that "everyone has to pay their way to support local services".Even Ray Darcy gave the TD a piece of his mind. "We are paying €3.1 billion to bondholders but the government won't give a fraction of that to help sick kids".

FRIENDO · 19-03-2012 12:51pm

Rally against Austerity in Wexford Town on Saturday 24th of March at 3pm
http://wexfordsinnfeinnews.blogspot.com/2012/03/rally-against-austerity-in-wexford-town.html

patff · 19-03-2012 9:48pm

FRIENDO wrote: »

Rally against Austerity in Wexford Town on Saturday 24th of March at 3pm
http://wexfordsinnfeinnews.blogspot.com/2012/03/rally-against-austerity-in-wexford-town.html

Why not just assemble at the Bullring and forget about the marching. Old habits, eh...

FRIENDO · 22-03-2012 2:32pm

FRIENDO wrote: »

Rally against Austerity in Wexford Town on Saturday 24th of March at 3pm
http://wexfordsinnfeinnews.blogspot.com/2012/03/rally-against-austerity-in-wexford-town.html

"Wexford Sinn Féin reschedule Rally against Austerity to support the People of Wexford's protest against the household tax this Saturday."

"Wexford Sinn Féin has rescheduled its Rally against Austerity which was due to be held in Wexford town on Saturday in order to support the peoples protest against the household tax being held on the same day at Crescent Quay, Wexford Quays at 2pm."

"We are calling on all Sinn Féin members and supporters to attend Saturdays protest rally on Wexford Quays at 2pm."

http://wexfordsinnfeinnews.blogspot.com/

RKQ · 24-03-2012 12:23pm

Its a beautiful day for a March. See you all in Wexford at 3pm

Tzar Chasm · 24-03-2012 12:48pm

RKQ wrote: »

Its a beautiful day for a March. See you all in Wexford at 3pm

2pm mate, wouldn't want ya to miss all the excitement of marching with the sinners

I will be attending this today, I will not however be carrying any signs or placards related to sign fein

RKQ · 24-03-2012 8:36pm

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

2pm mate,

Thanks mate.
It was a great turn out. Ordinary people spoke about an unfair tax - no Councillors or TD's spoke at the Rally.

All those in attendance were invited to speak at the Rally - as it was a "people movement" not affiliated to any political party.

Hope Tzar wasn't dissappointed that Sinn Fien cancelled their March (It was announced middle of last week!):)

chieftan65 · 25-03-2012 8:59am

Very well attended meeting yesterday, some good speakers on the board walk afterward. One thing I did notice yesterday from listening to the speakers and from watching various tv programmes on the subject and that is, people are refusing to pay this tax and they say the reason for their refusal is because its unfair. What I'd like to know is what do they mean by unfair? If it was based on the size of the property would it be fair and would it be paid? If it were based on household income would it be fair and paid? If it were based on the location of the house would it be fair and paid? Dont get me wrong, I am in no way in favour of this tax, I even marched again yesterday in protest against it eventhough it doesn't affect me because I rent my house. The reason I am against it is because I for one have had enough of working my arse off and paying my tax to keep a small number of elite in this country in the luxury to which they have become accustomed. I didn't cause the mess we are in at the minute nor did the majority of irish people who are now being squeezed for money they simply cant afford to pay while those who did cause it get away scot free. The Mahon tribunal came up with a novel term this week to avoid calling bertie ahearn a liar, the term un-truths. Well I'll call him a liar, and all his cronnies. Liars cheats and traitors, and to be honest it hasn't improved. John Browne was asked on radio one day last week how come he didn't know this corruption was going on, He came up with some load of bull about being so busy concentraing on wexford problems and working for the people of wexford that he didn't know anything about it. Nice answer John but unfortunately that fluff off of an answer doesn't work anymore, people's eyes have been opened. Plain and simple your a liar, or a teller of un-truths too. The point I'm making folks is that if it comes down to it and the tax is not paid because its not fair, my opinion is it wont take phil hogan long to re-jig it and introduce it another way and maybe end up costing us more than 100 euro. Anyway that's my opinion, I just think we have to be very careful with this shower. comments welcome

oldyouth · 25-03-2012 9:21am

RKQ wrote: »

Ordinary people spoke about an unfair tax - no Councillors or TD's spoke at the Rally!

Well Mick was attending to more interesting matters at Ferrycarrig Park.

allthedoyles · 25-03-2012 11:18pm

Tzar Chasm · 26-03-2012 3:07pm

Brilliant turnout at this.

Can't wait to see some photos of the march, I was fair near the front so imagine my surprise when I looked back at the bridge to see the crowd stretch to the other end of the quay

Anyone else planning on Dublin next Saturday??

I was thinking of dusting off my pike from the raftere, but maybe I,d be better off around wexford first with it, there's some hope of people knowing whst it is and what it stands for around here, ya wouldn't know what them godless savwgs in the big schmoke would think of it

Tzar Chasm · 26-03-2012 3:23pm

Right, accom booked i'll be head in up on friday.

This is due mostly to me not really being a morning person and therefore doubtful in capabilities to catch a bus at 8am.

jpb1974 · 26-03-2012 8:25pm

The hypocrisy...

Apparently the town councillors gathered in 'The Square' bar on St. Patrick's Day where there was a free bar (i.e. compliments of the tax payer) in their honour. One councillor supposedly had most of his family in attendance enjoying the free bevvies.

So, if someone from the council does end up knocking on your door looking for payment of the household charge, be sure and ask them about this.

slippy wicket · 28-03-2012 9:36am

Ya bunch o worthless vermin.

Whatever about those who cant pay, those who wont pay are the very scum that would be up on their hind legs squealing when 'their' services are cut because this money is not paid.

Its all well and and good for degenerates like SF and PBP to march people around like headless chickens, but what is their answer to getting money in to run services.

And another thing, I've seen some of these 'protests' around wexford, and a lot of the people at them look like the sort that come from council estates. Bet they have loads for their slabs of dutch gold. :mad:

Cantona's Collars · 28-03-2012 9:50am

slippy wicket wrote: »

Ya bunch o worthless vermin.

Whatever about those who cant pay, those who wont pay are the very scum that would be up on their hind legs squealing when 'their' services are cut because this money is not paid.

Its all well and and good for degenerates like SF and PBP to march people around like headless chickens, but what is their answer to getting money in to run services.

And another thing, I've seen some of these 'protests' around wexford, and a lot of the people at them look like the sort that come from council estates. Bet they have loads for their slabs of dutch gold. :mad:

I attended the protest in Enniscorthy and every demographic was there & they didn't care if Sinn Fein or The Looney Party organised the demo-it was a chance to show their opposition to this tax.So your insulting tone & generalisation that everyone from council estates are wasters is way off the mark.Many in said estates have bought their houses and are liable for the tax,they feel more aggrieved than most as they are expected to pay while some of their neighbours don't.

We've been through recession before & services continued so the lies about this €100 charge going to local councils won't wash,people have the politicians well sussed & know full well that local authority budgets are being slashed while every €100 collected is being syphoned off to pay bondholders.

slippy wicket · 28-03-2012 10:48am

zerks wrote: »

I attended the protest in Enniscorthy and every demographic was there & they didn't care if Sinn Fein or The Looney Party organised the demo-it was a chance to show their opposition to this tax.So your insulting tone & generalisation that everyone from council estates are wasters is way off the mark.Many in said estates have bought their houses and are liable for the tax,they feel more aggrieved than most as they are expected to pay while some of their neighbours don't.

We've been through recession before & services continued so the lies about this €100 charge going to local councils won't wash,people have the politicians well sussed & know full well that local authority budgets are being slashed while every €100 collected is being syphoned off to pay bondholders.

Regarding those in council estates who own their own homes, thats the very point. They own their own homes. Now you and I would agree that this tax is by its nature unfair. That is without doubt. The point is that it is necessary as well. Who likes paying tax, I dont, and I bet you dont either, but where do we stop. Next week do you think you should not have to pay vat or Prsi or excise duty. Its a slippery slope with a very sudden ending.

Your point about previous recessions is fallacious, during previous recessions there was not the levels of government debt even if you exclude the banking debt.

Judgement Day · 28-03-2012 10:54am

slippy wicket wrote: »

Ya bunch o worthless vermin.

Whatever about those who cant pay, those who wont pay are the very scum that would be up on their hind legs squealing when 'their' services are cut because this money is not paid.

Its all well and and good for degenerates like SF and PBP to march people around like headless chickens, but what is their answer to getting money in to run services.

And another thing, I've seen some of these 'protests' around wexford, and a lot of the people at them look like the sort that come from council estates. Bet they have loads for their slabs of dutch gold. :mad:

Yep, we should all pay the new tax so that our wonderful local authorities can continue to waste money like it was going out of fashion. If they were less wasteful there wouldn't be a need for the new tax. Anyway, when I see TDs taking the average industrial wage I'll be all in favour of new taxes.

PS I'm not in SF or a Dutch Gold drinker.

slippy wicket · 28-03-2012 11:04am

Judgement Day wrote: »

Yep, we should all pay the new tax so that our wonderful local authorities can continue to waste money like it was going out of fashion. If they were less wasteful there wouldn't be a need for the new tax. Anyway, when I see TDs taking the average industrial wage I'll be all in favour of new taxes.

PS I'm not in SF or a Dutch Gold drinker.

Could not agree more re Local Authorities, although with the new tax if waste was cut to a minimum we could finally get the services we all deserve.

Regarding tds wages, I must disagree. You dont want to end up with a situation where only those that are independently wealthy could become a td.

As long as their expenses are fully vouched and they behave in a proper fashion, its just a straw man argument to give them a bit of a kicking.

chieftan65 · 28-03-2012 9:23pm

slippy wicket wrote: »

Could not agree more re Local Authorities, although with the new tax if waste was cut to a minimum we could finally get the services we all deserve.

Regarding tds wages, I must disagree. You dont want to end up with a situation where only those that are independently wealthy could become a td.

As long as their expenses are fully vouched and they behave in a proper fashion, its just a straw man argument to give them a bit of a kicking.

independently wealthy becoming TD's?? my god perish the thought. We are far better off with teachers becoming TD's so if it doesn't work out they can fall back on their previous careers, and perhaps become wealthy in the process. perhaps you'd agree with the idea of scrapping the household tax and increase vat on dutch gold? then all those multi millionaires living in estates and pretending to be hard up will be the ones to pay the bond holders gambles

oldyouth · 29-03-2012 1:37pm

I paid mine. I didn't enjoy doing it, but it is the law of the land, even if it is unjust. One thing though, if there aren't consequences for those deliberately breaking the law by not paying for it, I won't be stumping up next year.

Just saying..

Judgement Day · 29-03-2012 4:16pm

I would say that the whole thing is going to be abandoned when the sheer scale of the non-payments becomes clear.

Magicalady · 29-03-2012 4:18pm

It's not nice when our "government" leave us with no option but to break the law.

Magicalady · 29-03-2012 4:25pm

oldyouth wrote: »

I paid mine. I didn't enjoy doing it, but it is the law of the land, even if it is unjust. One thing though, if there aren't consequences for those deliberately breaking the law by not paying for it, I won't be stumping up next year.

Just saying..

I think most people agree that there should be some form of property tax but it must be fair. This is not. You're in the lucky position to be able to pay but what about those who simply don't have the money?

A friend of mine is on back to work scheme and receives €141 a week. The government expect him to pay almost a full weeks money despite the fact his mortgage is 18 months in arrears (after being made redundant). He couldn't set up a direct debit as it would fail (no funds) so he is left with no option but to break the law. Is this fair?

oldyouth · 29-03-2012 5:02pm

Magicalady wrote: »

I think most people agree that there should be some form of property tax but it must be fair. This is not. You're in the lucky position to be able to pay but what about those who simply don't have the money?

A friend of mine is on back to work scheme and receives €141 a week. The government expect him to pay almost a full weeks money despite the fact his mortgage is 18 months in arrears (after being made redundant). He couldn't set up a direct debit as it would fail (no funds) so he is left with no option but to break the law. Is this fair?

I never said I could afford it, I'm going to be of work in a month. However €8.33 a month should be managable (less than a packe of fags)

yobr · 30-03-2012 6:28am

zerks wrote: »

Power in numbers people,we pay enough taxes already,it's not our fault the gamblers & shysters wasted the country's wealth.

Sounds easy when you say it like that but those people took advantage of Govt policies from '97 onwards, who put those Governments into power, yes, the people of Ireland and, in particular, the people of Wexford. Makes you think, doesn't it? Much as we would like to you cannot let people step away from the reality of what their voting choices delivered for this country.

Cantona's Collars · 30-03-2012 10:08am

yobr wrote: »

Sounds easy when you say it like that but those people took advantage of Govt policies from '97 onwards, who put those Governments into power, yes, the people of Ireland and, in particular, the people of Wexford. Makes you think, doesn't it? Much as we would like to you cannot let people step away from the reality of what their voting choices delivered for this country.

True,then the people voted in FG on the promise of change and a fresh start but now we simply have more of the same.It's as if FF never left government.Also shame on Labour,once the party of the workers is now simply FG lite and the leaders are just yes men to Enda & Co.

I see FF have a big celebration banquet in The Riverside Park Hotel,wonder who'll be paying for that? Their former leader & his friends cost us €350 million to figure out they were crooks,something the dogs in the street knew.Despite this they are gona have a big party to pat each other on the back & tell themselves how great they are:rolleyes:

yobr · 30-03-2012 12:18pm

zerks wrote: »

True,then the people voted in FG on the promise of change and a fresh start but now we simply have more of the same.It's as if FF never left government.Also shame on Labour,once the party of the workers is now simply FG lite and the leaders are just yes men to Enda & Co.

I think it is naive of people to think we could have change when (i) we were already signed up to these charges (household/property & water) courtesy of the Troika deal and (ii) we were taking in €33bn while spending €50bn, (approximately).

Tzar Chasm · 30-03-2012 5:25pm

I don't remember signing up to any of the charges, in fact I remember that there was something in the fg manifesto saying they wouldn't bring in a household tax.

I want to know what I am going to get for my 100 quid

Water - seperate bill
Bins - private company
Roads - ain't that whst road tax is for
Street lights - rural parish, so none of them
Sanitation - septic tank, another charge
Public amenities - would be nice if we got some

So what do I get? As far as I see it all that my money would do is fund these parasires in local government to arse about and feel selfimportant

Protest against cuts and Government greed.

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