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WC 2014 Brasil; Starts June 12th 2014

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    #122
    kerosene
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭kerosene


    Belgium (-1) v Algeria. 20/21. Im not usually keen on handicap bets but this seems decent value.


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    #123
    massdebater
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    For anyone doing the Australia 0 points bet at 2.50, you can get slightly better odds if you do a treble of three group opponents to win each individual game against Australia. I only checked PP and the odds raise to 2.54. Not a huge jump but every little helps, right?
    EDIT: Just noticing that Bet Victor have 2.62 for Australia to pick up 0 points.

    I'm thinking of going to the same bet, along with a buffer of Australia to pick up exactly 1 point which is 3.20 on Bet365. Having watched most of their qualification campaign, along with Robbie Kruse likely to miss the tournament, I can't see them doing much. They might squeeze 1 point somewhere along the line but even that is unlikely. Even if Spain have qualified by their last game, their second string side is miles better than the Aussie's first team.


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    #124
    kerosene
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭kerosene


    massdebater wrote: »
    For anyone doing the Australia 0 points bet at 2.50, you can get slightly better odds if you do a treble of three group opponents to win each individual game against Australia. I only checked PP and the odds raise to 2.54. Not a huge jump but every little helps, right?
    EDIT: Just noticing that Bet Victor have 2.62 for Australia to pick up 0 points.


    I'm thinking of going to the same bet, along with a buffer of Australia to pick up exactly 1 point which is 3.20 on Bet365. Having watched most of their qualification campaign, along with Robbie Kruse likely to miss the tournament, I can't see them doing much. They might squeeze 1 point somewhere along the line but even that is unlikely. Even if Spain have qualified by their last game, their second string side is miles better than the Aussie's first team.


    Thanks for that massdebater. Im thinking of going with Ladbrokes because I think I might get a £50 bonus if I stick £50 on, they didnt seem to have a market for total points so I was looking at the individual games. Im sure most of the bookmakers will have World cup promotions so il hold fire until nearer the time.


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    #125
    inforfun
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    MOD

    As there already was a WC thread, another one was a bit much.

    Threads merged


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    #126
    DB74
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    massdebater wrote: »
    For anyone doing the Australia 0 points bet at 2.50, you can get slightly better odds if you do a treble of three group opponents to win each individual game against Australia. I only checked PP and the odds raise to 2.54. Not a huge jump but every little helps, right?

    Be careful doing these bets as there is a chance that the bookie could void them as related contingencies


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    #127
    Warper
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    What do people think of Fred as top-scorer @ 33-1. He is Brazil's no. 1 striker after all and i fancy them to go very far. He was top-scorer in last years Confed Cup along with Torres with 5.


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    #128
    kerosene
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    kerosene wrote: »
    so far im thinking of
    France to win group e 4/5
    portugal to beat Usa 4/6
    austrailia to get zero points 6/4
    I havent decided on ivory coast yet

    I think il leave ivory coast and add Belgium-1 v algeria at 20/21. I think il just do four selections instead of six and il still put fifty on but hopefully with a fifty bonus from opening a new ladbrokes account.

    Hopefully return approx €1400.


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    #129
    kerosene
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭kerosene


    Warper wrote: »
    What do people think of Fred as top-scorer @ 33-1. He is Brazil's no. 1 striker after all and i fancy them to go very far. He was top-scorer in last years Confed Cup along with Torres with 5.

    I wouldnt know much about him. But 33/1 for a starting striker for Brazil seems good value.


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    #130
    Austria!
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    I think Benzema is the man for the goals. Up front hopefully on his own, easy group. Not a bad bunch of lads setting him up with Ribbery, Nasri and Cabaye.


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    #131
    ASOT
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    Ghana to get 0 points in there group is 7/1... in a group with Germany, Portugal & USA it looks a decent shout.


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    #132
    Shanotheslayer
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    Warper wrote: »
    What do people think of Fred as top-scorer @ 33-1. He is Brazil's no. 1 striker after all and i fancy them to go very far. He was top-scorer in last years Confed Cup along with Torres with 5.

    Friend of mine always backs him. Great price. Think I'll jump on that


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    #133
    Shanotheslayer
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    Fred down to 25/1 on Paddys. Costa 22/1 PP paying 4 places E/W jumping on those 2


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    #134
    fuzzydunlop85
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    Pp not letting me do a treble of Australia zero points, France to win their group and Italy to qualify from their group. How are these related bets? Anyone else having hassle getting on these type of bets?


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    #135
    kerosene
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭kerosene


    fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »
    Pp not letting me do a treble of Australia zero points, France to win their group and Italy to qualify from their group. How are these related bets? Anyone else having hassle getting on these type of bets?

    I havent tried to put my bet on yet, I assumed there would be no problem. Ive no idea how they could be deemed as related. Did you try to put it on online or in the shop?


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    #136
    DB74
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    fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »
    Pp not letting me do a treble of Australia zero points, France to win their group and Italy to qualify from their group. How are these related bets? Anyone else having hassle getting on these type of bets?

    Sometimes the system classes things as related when they are clearly not. If you contact Customer Service then they will contact the traders and you should have no problem getting the bet on.


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    #137
    fuzzydunlop85
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    DB74 wrote: »
    Sometimes the system classes things as related when they are clearly not. If you contact Customer Service then they will contact the traders and you should have no problem getting the bet on.

    Cheers I tried to do it online but will give it a go in shop.


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    #138
    fuzzydunlop85
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    Germany and Portugal to both qualify is another bet that caught my eye at 4/6.


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    #139
    tomaussie
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    France to top their group at 4/5 looks like maximum bet material.


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    #140
    Austria!
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    tomaussie wrote: »
    France to top their group at 4/5 looks like maximum bet material.

    Quite a few people (me included) have said that. Still the biggest bet I've ever put on, though I will eclipse it on Spain to win the thing.


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    #141
    bradlente
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    I was thinking of going for Ivory Coast to reach the quarters but the price is a bit skimpy,5/1.Haven't even looked at their squad yet but an in-form Toure alone could drag them deep with a bit of luck.Colombia,Greece and Japan isn't the hardest group,fairly competitive alright but a decent performance in 2 matches from any of the teams could top the group as they all have the potential to beat each other.After that it'd be Italy,England or Uruguay.Tough by any stretch but I think they've a very good chance at getting there at least.
    Might try come at it from a different angle as I'm not mad on that price.Semi-final @33/1 is a bit far but it's better value to me,maybe a split stake on both.Toure for player of the tournament is something I'm thinking about as well in the triple figures.Have watched fuk all Ivory Coast matches in recent time so wouldn't mind a few opinions on them or the others in their group,they're becoming my underdog side for some reason,even though I already have 3 or 4 other underdogs backed.


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    #142
    ASOT
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    50 on a double of France to top there group / Australia 0 points returns 225.


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    #143
    Smithwicks Man
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    ASOT wrote: »
    50 on a double of France to top there group / Australia 0 points returns 225.

    With who might I ask? :)


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    #144
    Warper
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    tomaussie wrote: »
    France to top their group at 4/5 looks like maximum bet material.

    Beware France, they cost me a fortune in the Euros. Had them to top that group featuring England and they couldnt even beat them. They drew with England and lost to Sweden. France were in really good form going into that comp and they were crap. Look at their qualifying for Brazil, they barely made it through at all. I fancy a rock solid Swiss team to top that group, definitely would not go near France at odds-on. The ultimate flatter to deceive team of the past 10 years


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    #145
    Dio On The Doubles
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    Same boat as that Warper I just cannot trust them for a bet. One of the most volatile teams in a competition like this to my mind. On first inspection their group looks like a group they should win but on past big competition appearances I couldn't back it.

    edit: only bet I have on the WC so far is a small acca on group winners and went with Switzerland there. Haven't had a proper check on form going into the competition for all teams yet though.


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    #146
    tomaussie
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    Warper wrote: »
    Beware France, they cost me a fortune in the Euros. Had them to top that group featuring England and they couldnt even beat them. They drew with England and lost to Sweden. France were in really good form going into that comp and they were crap. Look at their qualifying for Brazil, they barely made it through at all. I fancy a rock solid Swiss team to top that group, definitely would not go near France at odds-on. The ultimate flatter to deceive team of the past 10 years
    Dio On The Doubles wrote: »
    Same boat as that Warper I just cannot trust them for a bet. One of the most volatile teams in a competition like this to my mind. On first inspection their group looks like a group they should win but on past big competition appearances I couldn't back it.

    edit: only bet I have on the WC so far is a small acca on group winners and went with Switzerland there. Haven't had a proper check on form going into the competition for all teams yet though.


    I can't go on previous performances. I have to go with what's in front of me.

    They have an excellent Keeper and have quality throughout. Very good spine with enough quality up front to do damage.

    I think they can beat B&H in the second round thus setting up a quarter final with Germany.

    I think France to win their group at 4/5 is fantastic value.

    Argentina at 5/1 have to be the value to win it. I'm having a decent bet on them.


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    #147
    Warper
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    tomaussie wrote: »
    I can't go on previous performances. I have to go with what's in front of me.

    They have an excellent Keeper and have quality throughout. Very good spine with enough quality up front to do damage.

    I think they can beat B&H in the second round thus setting up a quarter final with Germany.

    I think France to win their group at 4/5 is fantastic value.

    Argentina at 5/1 have to be the value to win it. I'm having a decent bet on them.

    Previous performances are the best indicator of future performances.


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    #148
    tomaussie
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    Warper wrote: »
    Previous performances are the best indicator of future performances.

    I hear ya but it won't stop me. At least one of us is guaranteed to be right.

    If I get this wrong then I'm very wrong because I can't see anything but France cruising this group. And I mean really cruising.


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    #149
    bradlente
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    I have France outright along with a few other medium shots,hate backing favourites for these tournaments as there's always a few shocks and the margin of error is so small.
    Last time out I backed Holland ew,thought they were a decent outfit,good on paper and walked the qualifiers.They managed to make the final after Brazil somehow gifted them the quarters.Then they almost anti-footballed their way to a win.I've no doubt that if Robben had went down in those last few minutes when Puyol connected with him they would've won a penalty and could have took the lead at the death.
    Spain still won it but at 4/1 pre-tourney I was happy to get my place,there was enough of a sweat on them with the Switzerland,Paraguay and Holland games,even in the Euros when Portugal brought them to penalties,those are the kind of matches that put me off a big stake on the favourites.
    As for France,as usual they look great on paper,and like the Euros have a new manager that might breathe some new life into them.Only thing is they looked horrible in the qualifiers.I got on them when it looked like they might not make it (did the same with Portugal) so the price was a bit better than what's out there now.They've got a good route to the quarters if they can start well and if they bomb I'll still be happy enough with what I got on them.Obligatory shout on Benzema top scorer too,seems like a lazy bástard sometimes in a French jersey but tonnes of quality up against a couple of average teams.
    Anyway tl;dr,I won't be going near the top 4,but if I did I'd pick Germany.Fairly surprised Belgium are so short but I suppose the bookies need to cover their asses after a few got them on a serious price over the last few years.


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    #150
    inforfun
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    bradlente wrote: »
    Fairly surprised Belgium are so short but I suppose the bookies need to cover their asses after a few got them on a serious price over the last few years.

    Only reason why the are so short is because of a few of them do well in the premier league.

    They have big issues on left and right back where they will ahve to play centre backs who together played 10 matches this season, Vermaelen and Alderweireld.

    They have 11 great players, too bad for them a lot of them are playing in the same position.


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    #151
    Austria!
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    Warper wrote: »
    Beware France, they cost me a fortune in the Euros. Had them to top that group featuring England and they couldnt even beat them.

    England have some very good players. Finalists Italy couldn't beat them in 120 minutes. I think France will absolutely walk this group.

    Look at this team compared to 2012. Where were Pogba, Varane, Greismann, Mangala? What was Koscielny like 2 years ago and what is he like now? Benzema is in good form this year and broke that long-standing goal drought. the psg players have two good seasons of champ league experience now.

    And if you want to talk about qualifying they had only two bad results. drew away to georgie (spain beat them 1-0 in the last 5 mins) and lost to ukraine, which they put right in the second leg.

    Things change in 2 years. Belgium didn't get to the euros, and now they're 5th favourite for the world cup.

    I do think switzerland are better than people may think, and hitzfield if he's still there will get them organised. But there's a gulf in class.


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