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  • #152
    BoomsMMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭BoomsMMA


    I agree that Scalping and Touts do ruin any ticket event not just UFC. However I think it will be a long time before someone comes up with a solution and the problem will most likely always persist. On a side note any thoughts on what would be a good fight card should UFC come to Ireland this year?


  • #153
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    BoomsMMA wrote: »
    I agree that Scalping and Touts do ruin any ticket event not just UFC. However I think it will be a long time before someone comes up with a solution and the problem will most likely always persist. On a side note any thoughts on what would be a good fight card should UFC come to Ireland this year?

    Have no idea on what the fight card would be and at this point would be silly to speculate.

    Only thing you can be sure of is that 1/2 Irish lads will be signed up to fight on the undercard as has happened at the 2 previous Irish cards.


  • #154
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I dunno if anyone got to see the "Pre-Fight" show for UFC on Verses 3, but Dana joined the panel for a few minutes and Ariel Helwani asked him "What's next for Bisping. Chael Sonnen has called him out, is that match in the pipeline?"

    Dana replied along the lines of "Bisping is in trouble right now. I fully believe his knee to a downed Rivera was intentional and i wasn't happy with how he conducted himself during and after the fight, so I can't confirm anything for Bisping".

    Very interesting answers. I doubt Bisping will get the boot. i think if it was another fighter he'd have gotten his walking papers straight afterwards. I wonder how Dana will deal with him now that he has officially said Bisping is "in trouble"?


  • #155
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Very interesting answers. I doubt Bisping will get the boot. i think if it was another fighter he'd have gotten his walking papers straight afterwards. I wonder how Dana will deal with him now that he has officially said Bisping is "in trouble"?

    The only way they will boot Bisping is if he's no longer any use to them. Currently he's still one of (if not the) most high profile British fighters around. They kicked SF and now he's a valuable assett to SF so they won't want to do that again.

    Either they keep him around and just delay his possible title fight as punishment, or they quit protecting him and give him some hard fights. Bisping on a 2 fight losing streak is easier to cut than Bisping on a 3 fight winning streak.

    So... Sonnen!


  • #156
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    TBH, Bisping isn't much use to SF unless they want to break into the UK market. Jacare would beat his ass, Miller has the tools to beat him and Diaz if he stepped up would give him hell (that would be a 50-50 fight though).


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  • #157
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    unknown13 wrote: »
    TBH, Bisping isn't much use to SF unless they want to break into the UK market. Jacare would beat his ass, Miller has the tools to beat him and Diaz if he stepped up would give him hell (that would be a 50-50 fight though).

    Diaz beats him hands down IMO (literally)


  • #158
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    unknown13 wrote: »
    TBH, Bisping isn't much use to SF unless they want to break into the UK market. Jacare would beat his ass, Miller has the tools to beat him and Diaz if he stepped up would give him hell (that would be a 50-50 fight though).

    There are plenty who think that might just be their plan. Many UK UFC fans are fed up with the lack of quality on European cards and if SF were to bring some of their big names and put on a big card over here they'd certainly get some interest. BAMMA got a pretty good attendance at the MEN, so it's not just the UFC that can draw a crowd now.

    Long term I don't think they'd bother though personally.


  • #159
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    scudzilla wrote: »
    And for that you can blame UFC, When ya join Fight Club to get presale tickets you're allowed to buy 6 tickets per membership!!! (8 for that big Canadian event)

    I, and others, moaned in Fight Club many times that reducing the number to 2 would stop a lot of touts but they just didn't wanna know.

    Sure some of the active members who you don't suspect doing it are at it.


  • #160
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    There are plenty who think that might just be their plan. Many UK UFC fans are fed up with the lack of quality on European cards and if SF were to bring some of their big names and put on a big card over here they'd certainly get some interest. BAMMA got a pretty good attendance at the MEN, so it's not just the UFC that can draw a crowd now.

    Long term I don't think they'd bother though personally.

    You know, Strikeforce would be silly to try to compete with UFC in the British market. if they tried, UFC would start stacking their British cards with big names.

    And even if not, a stacked SF card would still be equal to an average British UFC card any day!


  • #161
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    SF's prelims fights are muck. Most of the fighters have awful records.


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  • #162
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You know, Strikeforce would be silly to try to compete with UFC in the British market. if they tried, UFC would start stacking their British cards with big names.

    And even if not, a stacked SF card would still be equal to an average British UFC card any day!

    All true, but Coker isn't known as being the cleverest businessman ever...

    Some of SF's decisions have been comical and they regularly fail to properly promote their US events, never mind a UK one!


  • #163
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Funnily enough, before SF started trying to compete with UFC, Dana White always used Coker as an example of the one businessman in MMA who ran his company properly.

    Thing is, now SF are trying to compete with UFC. Bad move IMO. When they had "old" Fedor, they had a massive selling point. Now they have "past it" Fedor. Coker needs to be PRAYING that Ubereem wins this HW Tournie. Last thing they need is a situation where they need to try sell Kharitanov as the No.1 HW in the world!


  • #164
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    There have been a good few flaws in SF that have been exposed.

    Matchmaking: Matching Christiane "Cyborg" Santos against a fighter called: Jan Finney who has a bad record is a great idea., The whole St Louis card aswell: Daley getting matched up with Smith and Lindland (who is a shot fighter) against Lawler.

    Depth of the divisions: All bare HW are very weak.

    There is more but im not arsed going through all of them.


  • #165
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    You're completely right! It's MMA's verison of the Scottish Premier League. Full of guys who couldn't make it in the EPL/UFC and a bunch of also rans!

    SF signed Fedor and suddenly tried to compete with UFC. It's not gonna happen. They might grab a few dry-day fans with the odd slug-fest here and there, but they're never gonna compete properly with UFC. Simply because UFC is where the vast majority of the top fighters in the world are competing! Sure even their WW Champion uses every opportunity he can get to talk his way back into the UFC.


  • #166
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    EliteXC failed because they tried to build a promotion on 1 fighter (Kimbo). When he flopped they flopped. True it was mainly due to their alleged match fixing as exposed by Petruzelli but that was all part of the plan to protect Kimbo.

    SF are doing the same thing to some extent, putting all their eggs in the Fedor basket. Not quite so bad, they do have a lot of other stars that they are building, but without a doubt they have been used as M-1's play thing regarding Fedor. Renegotiating contracts every 5 minutes, disctating fights etc.

    With Fedor on the brink of retirement they're on shaky ground.


  • #167
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    unknown13 wrote: »
    Sure some of the active members who you don't suspect doing it are at it.

    i know that idiot marketcnut is selling tickets and has been for some time


  • #168
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You know, Strikeforce would be silly to try to compete with UFC in the British market. if they tried, UFC would start stacking their British cards with big names.

    And even if not, a stacked SF card would still be equal to an average British UFC card any day!

    The last few UK UFC cards have been dire and i'm sure SF could compete, just put a few decent fights on and fill the undercard wit UK fighters, same as UFC


  • #169
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Elite XC did too many wrong. They tried to get big quickly. They both Cage Rage and King of the Cage. They had idiots running it who knew fúck all about MMA. They used a fighter who was only learning as their showcase fighter (UFC at the time had Liddell in that role). The list goes on and on


  • #170
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    scudzilla wrote: »
    that idiot marketcnut

    :D
    Who do you not hate in there? :p


  • #171
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    scudzilla wrote: »
    i know that idiot marketcnut is selling tickets and has been for some time

    That arsehole nougat mc crunch does it all the time.


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  • #172
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    :D
    Who do you not hate in there? :p

    Just the idiot frenchies who joined after 83 and ruined the place, not been there as much over the past 12/18 months so don't know the new breed of idiot


  • #173
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    :D
    Who do you not hate in there? :p

    In all fairness there is a right crop of idiots in there.


  • #174
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Maybe I'm just too laid back, nobody has pi$$ed me off yet.

    Well apart from the 2 goons that got banned for screaming abuse at everybody!


  • #175
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Well apart from the 2 goons that got banned for screaming abuse at everybody!

    Was that recently?


  • #176
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    The main problem with FC is the Mods/Admins

    Here on Boards they deal with any crap and trouble makers pretty quickly and fairly, while keeping the forums flowing. I think defsteve single handedly kept the place afloat for 2 years.

    Over there they do not have a fcukin clue, i only really go there now to do a bit of trolling which keeps me entertained. I've met quite a few of the lads from there and keep in touch wit them on facebook, no need for the place now really


  • #177
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    unknown13 wrote: »
    Was that recently?

    Last month. There was the usual influx of complaints after the 129 presale. 2 fellas in particular were giving out serious abuse and anyone who pointed out that they were wasting their breath were told they had DW's ball sack in their mouth etc. Eventually one of them started threatening people and saying he was going to kick the crap out of them at the Fight Club party!

    Ban hammer...


  • #178
    Denners
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭Denners


    unknown13 wrote: »
    There have been a good few flaws in SF that have been exposed.

    Matchmaking: Matching Christiane "Cyborg" Santos against a fighter called: Jan Finney who has a bad record is a great idea., The whole St Louis card aswell: Daley getting matched up with Smith and Lindland (who is a shot fighter) against Lawler.

    That was the best card I saw last year, it was a cracking event yet you find issues to complain about. Lindland is definitely past it but Smith v Daley was a great match-up, they were both going to stand and fight and that is what happened.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You're completely right! It's MMA's verison of the Scottish Premier League. Full of guys who couldn't make it in the EPL/UFC and a bunch of also rans!

    There is a good few fighters in SF who would do well in the UFC, maybe not champions but would still be very competitive. To suggest otherwise is just wrong.


  • #179
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Denners wrote: »
    That was the best card I saw last year, it was a cracking event yet you find issues to complain about. Lindland is definitely past it but Smith v Daley was a great match-up, they were both going to stand and fight and that is what happened.

    I felt it was a poor card too. Just because fights give big finishes doesn't mean they're competitive matches. I could take on Fedor and get my head smashed off in spectacular fashion but that doesn't make it a good fight, (some may differ ;))

    Most of the fights on the card, while they gave impressive finishes, were total mismatches in terms of quality and competitiveness etc.


  • #180
    Denners
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭Denners


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    I felt it was a poor card too. Just because fights give big finishes doesn't mean they're competitive matches. I could take on Fedor and get my head smashed off in spectacular fashion but that doesn't make it a good fight, (some may differ ;))

    Most of the fights on the card, while they gave impressive finishes, were total mismatches in terms of quality and competitiveness etc.

    The only mismatch was Lawlor v Lindland, the KO's made the event exciting and if you would classify that card as poor/detrimental for Strikeforce then I would think you are in a minority.

    Strikeforce are looking to expand their fanbase and an event like that was perfect to attract the mma 'layman' as such.


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  • #181
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Denners wrote: »
    Strikeforce are looking to expand their fanbase and an event like that was perfect to attract the mma 'layman' as such.

    I agree. Because the MMA laymen doesn't realise that the fights are mismatches!

    Daley vs Smith and Silva vs Kyle were lop sided too.


  • #182
    Denners
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭Denners


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    I agree. Because the MMA laymen doesn't realise that the fights are mismatches!

    Daley vs Smith and Silva vs Kyle were lop sided too.

    Can't agree that Daley v Smith was a mismatch, they are both strikers with Daley having an advantage, Cung Le v Smith was a bigger mismatch on paper and look how that turned out the first time. I have seen fights in UFC that were bigger mismatches tbf.

    Silva v Kyle, Kyle dropped Silva and had him hurt, 2nd round Silva got mount and pounded him out. I wouldn't call that lop sided, each round was dominated by a different fighter.

    I will leave it there anyway but I like SF as an organisation, they put on exciting events and I enjoy them.

    I would rather see a KO than watch too equally matched fighters grind out a boring decision.


  • #183
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    scudzilla wrote: »
    The last few UK UFC cards have been dire and i'm sure SF could compete, just put a few decent fights on and fill the undercard wit UK fighters, same as UFC

    Exactly! And IMO, their best match ups would equal what UFC put on in the UK. Do you think SF's best cards would be much better than the Sanchez v Kampmann card? I don't think so!
    Denners wrote: »
    There is a good few fighters in SF who would do well in the UFC, maybe not champions but would still be very competitive. To suggest otherwise is just wrong.

    Exactly! Just like the SPL. There's a few fighters who would do well in the EPL, perhaps not at the Top 4, but they would be competitive.

    SF=SPL UFC=EPL


  • #184
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Denners wrote: »
    I would rather see a KO than watch too equally matched fighters grind out a boring decision.

    :rolleyes:

    I'd rather €100 than €50. Bit of a silly statement.

    You say that as if they are the only 2 possible outcomes. As if SF is the home of the KO and UFC and other organisations only have boring decisions.


  • #185
    Denners
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭Denners


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Exactly! Just like the SPL. There's a few fighters who would do well in the EPL, perhaps not at the Top 4, but they would be competitive.

    SF=SPL UFC=EPL

    That isn't what you said though, you said SF was full of guys who couldn't make it in the UFC and a bunch of also rans. That is wrong.


  • #186
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Denners wrote: »
    That was the best card I saw last year, it was a cracking event yet you find issues to complain about. Lindland is definitely past it but Smith v Daley was a great match-up, they were both going to stand and fight and that is what happened.

    That is your opinion and I respect that because we did see a fair few KO's and in some UFC's we haven't seen as many and not many of the fashion that was on that card.

    The reason why I felt that card was bad was because you had Paul Daley, who if he could wrestle would be in the top 3 in the World at WW fighting a guy who only knew how to come forward and through punches.

    Henderson / Babalu wasn't a mismatch at all. Henderson just showed that he is one of the better fighters in SF.

    Lindland was finished and Lawler isn't yet and why they matched them up was stupid.


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  • #187
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Denners wrote: »
    That isn't what you said though, you said SF was full of guys who couldn't make it in the UFC and a bunch of also rans. That is wrong.

    Yeah you're right. Because having main-cards with Bobby Lashley and Hershel Walker is top notch stuff rolleyes.gif

    The ratio of SF guys who could compete in the UFC is about the same as the ratio of SPL guys who could compete in the EPL!

    I;m not saying they don't put on exciting shows, Rushden & Diamonds v Crawley town can be an exciting game of football, but a lot of the fights are completely meaningless as far as finding out who the best guys in the world are. And I don't care what the sport is, every sport is geared toward finding out who the best is. That's why Championships exist.


  • #188
    Denners
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭Denners


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Yeah you're right. Because having main-cards with Bobby Lashley and Hershel Walker is top notch stuff rolleyes.gif

    It is immature to mention 2 fighters that are blatant money rackets with no real prospect in their division, just like Kimbo and James Toney were for the UFC! The point is you said Strikeforce was full of guys who couldn't make it in the UFC and a bunch of also rans.

    I wasn't suggesting their promotion is littered with talent from top to bottom but there is fighters that could compete in UFC, something you stated there wasn't.

    I've made my point anyway but I'm sure you can acknowledge that your initial statement was lacking logic.

    Don't forget to watch the event tonight now ;)


  • #189
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Denners wrote: »
    It is immature to mention 2 fighters that are blatant money rackets with no real prospect in their division

    Attack the post, not the poster
    The point is you said Strikeforce was full of guys who couldn't make it in the UFC and a bunch of also rans.
    Yes, COULDN'T, Could not, past tense. Lawler, Diaz, Smith, Lindland, Werdum, all guys who didn't make it in the UFC, were let go, and now fight in SPL... sorry, I mean SF!

    The vast majority of the SF roster would get nowhere NEAR the mid level UFC guys. In my opinion, these are Also-Rans.
    I wasn't suggesting their promotion is littered with talent from top to bottom but there is fighters that could compete in UFC, something you stated there wasn't.
    Nope, I've always said Diaz can probably compete in the UFC. But in the past, he couldn't and got the boot
    I've made my point anyway but I'm sure you can acknowledge that your initial statement was lacking logic.
    Nope, there was just a lack of understanding of the tenses in English ;)


  • #190
    seadnamac
    Registered Users Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭seadnamac


    Strikeforce had a great spell there in the second half of 2009 where they put on some great events like Cyborg/Carano, Fedor/Rogers and Evolution which in particular was awesome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Evolution) and I really enjoyed watching it back then. Eighteen months or more later though and they've completely blown the momentum they had as far as I'm concerned. Crap cards, mediocre fighters, horrible production values. It's got to a stage where I don't really care about them anymore and have no interest in tonights rubbish looking card. You could count on one hand the number of fighters they have that could make any kind of impact in the UFC and they've done nothing to market their talent or create stars anyway. They've no one to blame but themselves.


  • #191
    unknown13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Melendez / Thompson on that Evolution card was an absolute cracker of a fight.


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  • #192
    ScareGilly
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Yes, COULDN'T, Could not, past tense. Lawler, Diaz, Smith, Lindland, Werdum, all guys who didn't make it in the UFC, were let go, and now fight in SPL... sorry, I mean SF!

    The vast majority of the SF roster would get nowhere NEAR the mid level UFC guys. In my opinion, these are Also-Rans.

    Don't put Werdum into that category, he lost to Arlovski, former UFC champion and JDS, future Heavyweight champion (:rolleyes:), went 2-2 and got released then. It was more down to contract negotiations than his UFC form if I remember correctly..

    IMO, the UFC champions would beat the strikeforce guys, but the top strikeforce fighters would be in the top 10 in the UFC without a doubt.
    HW: Overeem, Fedor, Silva, Barnett, Werdum.
    LHW: Feijao, Hendo, Babalu, Mo Lawal, Gegard Mousasi.
    MW: Jacare, Hendo, Mayhem... Cung Le & Tim Kennedy perhaps, probably just outside though.
    Nope, I've always said Diaz can probably compete in the UFC. But in the past, he couldn't and got the boot

    Woah, hold on there.. He was on a 3 fight win streak when he went to Pride, beat Gomi, tested positive for weed and the result was turned to
    a NC. He was then released. To say he couldn't compete is ridiculous imo..


  • #193
    seadnamac
    Registered Users Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭seadnamac


    ScareGilly wrote: »
    Don't put Werdum into that category, he lost to Arlovski, former UFC champion and JDS, future Heavyweight champion (:rolleyes:), went 2-2 and got released then. It was more down to contract negotiations than his UFC form if I remember correctly..

    Yea, Zuffa didn't think he is was worth the money they were paying him, ie. he didn't cut it.

    IMO, the UFC champions would beat the strikeforce guys, but the top strikeforce fighters would be in the top 10 in the UFC without a doubt.
    HW: Overeem, Fedor, Silva, Barnett, Werdum.
    LHW: Feijao, Hendo, Babalu, Mo Lawal, Gegard Mousasi.
    MW: Jacare, Hendo, Mayhem... Cung Le & Tim Kennedy perhaps, probably just outside though.

    You can't be serious, some of those are laughable. Hendo, Babalu, Lawal, Mayhem? Cung Le and Tim Kennedy? I've have my doubts about Feijao and Jacare and Barnett in 2011 would have a hell of a lot to prove. You're severely overestimating the quality of those fighters.


  • #194
    Jayo_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Jayo_M


    seadnamac wrote: »
    Yea, Zuffa didn't think he is was worth the money they were paying him, ie. he didn't cut it.



    You can't be serious, some of those are laughable. Hendo, Babalu, Lawal, Mayhem? Cung Le and Tim Kennedy? I've have my doubts about Feijao and Jacare and Barnett in 2011 would have a hell of a lot to prove. You're severely overestimating the quality of those fighters.

    Why is Henderson laughable? He was on a three fight win streak in UFC and only lost to Rampage and Anderson Silva. He left UFC because he wanted more money after Dana gave Tito a ridiculous contract. Dana's also expressed interest in Cung Le, the only thing holding him back in MMA is his lack of commitment due to the money he can make in movies. Jacare couldn't cut it in UFC? He'd absolutely maul most of the UFC MW's outside of Anderson. Mayhem was seconds away from finishing Shields, he's no joke. King Mo and Mousasi are serious prospects and would do great against alot of UFC LHWs. Same goes for Kennedy at MW.


  • #195
    seadnamac
    Registered Users Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭seadnamac


    Jayo_M wrote: »
    Why is Henderson laughable? He was on a three fight win streak in UFC and only lost to Rampage and Anderson Silva. He left UFC because he wanted more money after Dana gave Tito a ridiculous contract. Dana's also expressed interest in Cung Le, the only thing holding him back in MMA is his lack of commitment due to the money he can make in movies. Jacare couldn't cut it in UFC? He'd absolutely maul most of the UFC MW's outside of Anderson. Mayhem was seconds away from finishing Shields, he's no joke. King Mo and Mousasi are serious prospects and would do great against alot of UFC LHWs. Same goes for Kennedy at MW.

    Jacare would maul most of the division? Based on what exactly? Being the best of a bad bunch in SF? Who the hell has he beaten to warrent such a ridiculous statement? King Mo and Mousasi are definitely prospects but no way are they sure thing contenders the minute they stepped into the Octogan which was the point I responding to. The only reason White might want Le is because of market potential he would bring, he hasn't done anything of note in MMA in three years and he didn't exactly do much before that either, unless you think beating Scott Smith is enough to make a bonefide contender? Tim Kennedy is another with a mediocre record who only looks good because the rest of SF is crap. Get a grip.


  • #196
    Oh_Noes
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    seadnamac wrote: »
    Jacare would maul most of the division? Based on what exactly? Being the best of a bad bunch in SF?

    Probably based on the fact that as soon as the UFC could get their hands on Strikeforce's MW champion, Jake Sheilds, they gave him an almost immediate title shot and introduced him as a world champion.

    That should tell you a lot about how the UFC really feels the standard of Strikeforce is.


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    seadnamac
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    Oh_Noes wrote: »
    Probably based on the fact that as soon as the UFC could get their hands on Strikeforce's MW champion, Jake Sheilds, they gave him an almost immediate title shot and introduced him as a world champion.

    That should tell you a lot about how the UFC really feels the standard of Strikeforce is.

    No, that tells you what the UFC feels about the standard of Jake Shields. It doesn't tell you anything about what the UFC feels about the standard of Strikeforce. Your reasoning is completely flawed. Also, the reason they took him was because he was just after beating Dan Henderson specifically, who was straight out of the UFC. So Strikeforce barely came into the equation.


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    Oh_Noes
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    By your reasoning, the UFC feels Jake Shields is a title contender
    Based on what exactly? Being the best of a bad bunch in SF?

    My reasoning is flawed? Yours isn't too hot either.


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    Denners
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    seadnamac wrote: »
    Also, the reason they took him was because he was just after beating Dan Henderson specifically, who was straight out of the UFC. So Strikeforce barely came into the equation.

    You are wrong, I specifically remember Dana bitching about SF for feeding Shields to Hendo and stating that even if Shields lost (which was SF's preferred outcome) that he would still be interested in signing him.

    To dismiss guys like Mayhem Miller, Hendo and Jacare is silly, they would all be very competitive in UFC.


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    MrStuffins
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    ScareGilly wrote: »
    Don't put Werdum into that category, he lost to Arlovski, former UFC champion and JDS, future Heavyweight champion (:rolleyes:), went 2-2 and got released then. It was more down to contract negotiations than his UFC form if I remember correctly..

    IMO, the UFC champions would beat the strikeforce guys, but the top strikeforce fighters would be in the top 10 in the UFC without a doubt.
    HW: Overeem, Fedor, Silva, Barnett, Werdum.
    LHW: Feijao, Hendo, Babalu, Mo Lawal, Gegard Mousasi.
    MW: Jacare, Hendo, Mayhem... Cung Le & Tim Kennedy perhaps, probably just outside though.


    Woah, hold on there.. He was on a 3 fight win streak when he went to Pride, beat Gomi, tested positive for weed and the result was turned to
    a NC. He was then released. To say he couldn't compete is ridiculous imo..

    This post is so full of ridiculous amounts of fail that i'm not actually going to respond to it. I will just use this post to highlight the fact that it is a ridiculous post!

    It's a great coincidence, in the context of this post, that King Mo's surname sounds like "LOL"!


  • #201
    Oh_Noes
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    It should be called the Sherdog thread tbh.


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