GoT Illiterate Season 4 finale HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS

Dave! · 16-06-2014 10:40pm

Degag wrote: »

I think he definately had grown fond of her in his own way and was pretty protective of her in the end.

Still have hopes that he somehow makes it. My favourite character:(

Don't mention your favourite characters in case George R. R. Martin happens to be on Boards!

Degag · 16-06-2014 10:43pm

1huge1 wrote: »

I don't believe Varys is going with Tyrion, at least thats how it looked to me.

I don't think he was planning on going but he heard the bells toll and that seemed to change his mind. Think he reckoned it was going to be too dangerous to stay.

Dan_Solo · 16-06-2014 10:47pm

Degag wrote: »

I don't think he was planning on going but he heard the bells toll and that seemed to change his mind. Think he reckoned it was going to be too dangerous to stay.

You think the lads at the docks would know at this stage to shut the port the instant the bells go...

seligehgit · 16-06-2014 10:50pm

Anybody offer any plausible explanation as to why Mance Ryder and his supposedly 100,000 strong army of wildlings waved the white flag to Stannis's numerically inferior forces?Did the Iron Bank of Bravosi buy that big a troop of soldiers and fleet of ships?

Am I the only one that is that the Ice Queen Cersei still lives?:D

The last 3 or 4 episodes have been outstanding..

Thought the Hound only said those hurtful things about killing the butcher boy and raping Sansa to provoke Arya into finishing him off as she seemed reluctant to do it.

Degag · 16-06-2014 10:51pm

DeVore wrote: »

Varys is definitely going with Tyrion... whats going to happen to Tyrion now that his father is dead and he has no money in a foreign place?

Jaime might be able to get money to him perhaps.

Dan_Solo · 16-06-2014 10:57pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Anybody offer any plausible explanation as to why Mance Ryder and his supposedly 100,000 strong army of wildlings waved the white flag to Stannis's numerically inferior forces?

Wildlings were a bit rubbish weren't they? I fancy the wall would hold no bother to be honest if that's all they've got.
Mance had no defences at all at his position. I thought he was supposed to be a clever one?

GerB40 · 16-06-2014 10:58pm

fearrua wrote: »

Here, where the flip has Gendry Baratheon been this season?

He's a bastard ain't he? So he'd be a Rivers or a Stone, not a Baratheon.

Da Shins Kelly · 16-06-2014 10:58pm

Cersei can't last much longer. The Lannisters are on a downward spiral. Tywin was the only one there with any sense of practicality. Cersei doesn't have the leadership qualities to properly run that family and stay out of trouble, I don't think. I think she's fcuked after this.

Wonder what is going to happen with the Mountain. Did the doctor guy say that he'd be changed if he somehow managed to recover from the poison? Changed in what way, I wonder.

iamanengine · 16-06-2014 11:03pm

Yeah by the way your man was talking it was as if hes gunna turn into some mutated monster like the Hulk!! MOUNTAIN SMASH!!!

Da Shins Kelly · 16-06-2014 11:05pm

At first I thought he'd be like a vegetable or unable to function properly in some way, but yer man said he'd still have his strength. Maybe he'll become even more lethal?

Dave! · 16-06-2014 11:05pm

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Cersei can't last much longer. The Lannisters are on a downward spiral. Tywin was the only one there with any sense of practicality. Cersei doesn't have the leadership qualities to properly run that family and stay out of trouble, I don't think. I think she's fcuked after this.

Wonder what is going to happen with the Mountain. Did the doctor guy say that he'd be changed if he somehow managed to recover from the poison? Changed in what way, I wonder.

I hope it doesn't end up with Jaime defending Cersei in some context, and getting killed! :eek:

They're not allowed kill Jaime, fcuk that, they can kill everyone else but Jaime gets a pass or I'm giving up on this show!!!!!!

DerekDGoldfish · 16-06-2014 11:07pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Wildlings were a bit rubbish weren't they? I fancy the wall would hold no bother to be honest if that's all they've got.
Mance had no defences at all at his position. I thought he was supposed to be a clever one?

Its in the forrest in front of a 700 foot wall, what defences could he put in place that wouldnt be able to be spoted from the wall and he would have expected any backup troups to gather behind the wall rather than come via boat and attack him.

NomadicGray · 16-06-2014 11:09pm

J. Marston wrote: »

He's beaten to a pulp in a ditch in the middle of nowhere. He's done.

I'm sure Beric Dondarrion has come back from worse than that.

Dan_Solo · 16-06-2014 11:10pm

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Wonder what is going to happen with the Mountain. Did the doctor guy say that he'd be changed if he somehow managed to recover from the poison? Changed in what way, I wonder.

What if he got super clever? Next king of Seven Kingdoms? Yeah, necromagic doesn't usually work like that does it...

Da Shins Kelly · 16-06-2014 11:12pm

I wonder will Cersei ever find out that Jamie kind of betrayed her by helping Tyrion escape. Surely she's going to have a conniption when she realizes Tyrion is gone anyway? If she knows that Jamie was helping him the whole time, would she turn on him? I'm sure she won't be sad to see Tywin gone anyway.

I feel like Jamie might last a bit longer, but I feel like he might meet a grisly end at some point. I just feel like the Lannisters are doomed, bar Tyrion, and the longer they hang around King's Landing, the sooner it's going to happen too. There are too people ready to get rid of them as soon as they get the chance.

iamanengine · 16-06-2014 11:12pm

Do people think the Hounds death was left ambiguous on purpose? His death ended up being pretty crappy in the end, I can't stand Brienne she had no business basically claiming Arya. It'd be cool if he could turn it around but it doesn't look likely!

Da Shins Kelly · 16-06-2014 11:13pm

No, I think the implication was that she was leaving him to die alone, slowly and painfully.

Dan_Solo · 16-06-2014 11:13pm

DerekDGoldfish wrote: »

Its in the forrest in front of a 700 foot wall, what defences could he put in place that wouldnt be able to be spoted from the wall and he would have expected any backup troups to gather behind the wall rather than come via boat and attack him.

Wherever he was expecting them from he had no defences at all, so that hardly matters. Did you notice they were in a forest and so couldn't be seen from the wall?
That forest seems to have grown back since last week too... must be bamboo!

nibtrix · 16-06-2014 11:15pm

GerB40 wrote: »

He's a bastard ain't he? So he'd be a Rivers or a Stone, not a Baratheon.

It's a Waters in Kings Landing, but the special surnames are only for bastards of nobles - most of the non-nobles only have one name anyway.

The Game of Thrones wikia (no book spoilers) has a good article about it.

Degag · 16-06-2014 11:15pm

Emperor1989 wrote: »

Also did Jamie defintely say it was Varys waiting for him, I was sure Jamie was setting him up to be killed?

Same thing did cross my mind but why would he when he was going to be killed anyway!

shruikan2553 · 16-06-2014 11:17pm

Maybe the guy talking about how the mountain will change was about getting another actor....again

iamanengine · 16-06-2014 11:19pm

Degag wrote: »

Same thing did cross my mind but why would he when he was going to be killed anyway!

I think it was cos it seemed really similar to when Ramsay was supposedly leading Theon Reek to safety and led him to the dungeon!

But, Jamie is such a boss these last 2 seasons no way he would have done that! That last goodbye was a damn touching moment actually.

Raphael · 16-06-2014 11:24pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

Do you lads know what book to get to continue on from season 4? Can't wait a year for season 5, and by the way Tyrian is a cold ass mother5ucker

Honestly, it's not really possible to do. On average, we're at the end of A Storm of Swords, book 3. But certain storylines are way behind, and others are way ahead. Not to mention a lot of things being changed. If you wanted to start reading, you could probably skip book 1, and maybe, MAYBE, book 2, but you're best bet would be to start at the very beginning.

Downside is then you'll have to go to the 'Have Read' thread, which is way worse than this one.

Grimebox · 16-06-2014 11:25pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

Do you lads know what book to get to continue on from season 4? Can't wait a year for season 5, and by the way Tyrian is a cold ass mother5ucker

I'd ask in the other thread while treading carefully

ArmaniJeanss · 16-06-2014 11:26pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

Do you lads know what book to get to continue on from season 4? Can't wait a year for season 5, and by the way Tyrian is a cold ass mother5ucker

They aren't filming in the same order as the books so there is no real answer to that question. Best answer honestly is to read from Book 1 onwards, and enjoy. You'll be pleasantly surprised at how much will be 'filled in' via the way he writes it from different characters' pov.

willmunny1990 · 16-06-2014 11:28pm

Sickened that this is over, having to wait a year for this again will be torture.

Almost make you want to get into the books.

GerB40 · 16-06-2014 11:30pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Maybe the guy talking about how the mountain will change was about getting another actor....again

"Duff man can't be killed, only the actors that portray him. Ooh yeah.."

Mike Litoris · 16-06-2014 11:34pm

Sudden Valley wrote: »

I find it a bit of a pity that most of the characters that made the kings landing portion of the story have now left that location or been killed off in the show. Also Arya without the hound and Dany without Jorah- doesn't seem right.

I feel exactly the same. It was an epic season finale for a great season but I feel totally flat, not because we've to wait fcukin ages for 5 but because of all the epic characters, good and bad, who've gone.

marco_polo · 16-06-2014 11:36pm

Essien wrote: »

I thought there was going to be a touch of "Peter Griffin and the chicken" about that battle between Brienne and The Hound.

Lolz something similar popped into my head watching it, except it was an old sketch from the Fast Show called the very long punch up

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F0he5k6shmw

Syferus · 16-06-2014 11:47pm

iamanengine wrote: »

Do people think the Hounds death was left ambiguous on purpose? His death ended up being pretty crappy in the end, I can't stand Brienne she had no business basically claiming Arya. It'd be cool if he could turn it around but it doesn't look likely!

If you don't see someone die on-screen there is always a reason. Television 101.

So much happened in this episode. The whole game has been turned on its head.

sebastianlieken · 17-06-2014 12:00am

Syferus wrote: »

If you don't see someone die on-screen there is always a reason. Television 101.

So much happened in this episode. The whole game has been turned on its head.

well in that case, I want Syrio Forel, the first sword of Braavos back. He was Obyren Martell level badass

irish son · 17-06-2014 12:10am

Once a whore.......

twinex · 17-06-2014 12:12am

I've waited four years for some vengeance and retribution. Utterly satisfying......

twinex · 17-06-2014 12:13am

......Oh yeah, Sinbad skeletons FTW!!!!

Fratton Fred · 17-06-2014 12:18am

It looked to me as though Cersei was losing her marbles. Maybe she is going to rule kings landing through Tommen and be a comletr psycho!

MOH · 17-06-2014 12:19am

Grimebox wrote: »

Anybody else reminded of this :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_Fi7x93PY

Soon as I saw them I though of the the old Harryhausen effects.

What's the timescale between Stannis getting funded by the Iron Bank and turning up beyond the Wall? Still seems a tad weird that he could get a navy/army that size up there that quickly, and without anyone noticing.

Little bit worried by the fireball throwing ancient children. I don't know why, but just that particular moment it felt like an extra level of weirdness and it was suddenly going to turn into Lost.

expectationlost · 17-06-2014 12:28am

Jaime will be pissed at Tyrion

bluesfan · 17-06-2014 12:31am

Degag wrote: »

Jaime might be able to get money to him perhaps.

Don't think Jaime will be too keen to help Tyrion once he finds out he killed their Father.

emo72 · 17-06-2014 12:33am

its been mentioned that danni didnt do a lot and it was a bad season for her. i think she wanted to move forward with her plan, but the more places she conquered the more she felt responsible. she couldnt just swan off and take kings landing she has the onerous duty of keeping control of the cities she freed. she really is the one leader with a conscience. she cares about her people and wont abandon to be enslaved again.

she is learning its hard to be a leader, especially if you want to be a nice guy.

Syferus · 17-06-2014 12:34am

sebastianlieken wrote: »

well in that case, I want Syrio Forel, the first sword of Braavos back. He was Obyren Martell level badass

Arya is heading in that direction. Wouldn't be surprised if Spanish Robert Downey Jr. makes an appearance.

DerekDGoldfish · 17-06-2014 12:35am

In episode 8 Sansa appears to be joining Littlefiger and young Arran for a strol, could they come accros the hound before he dies who tells them Arya is alive.

Cianos · 17-06-2014 12:36am

I was fairly underwhelmed by this episode as well.

Stannis appearing as if out of nowhere, to almost zero resistance from the 100,000 wildlings who were supposed to have descended on the wall was pretty anticlimactic in respect to all the stories and tales of who and what the wildlings were. Maybe I missed something that said that the rest of the army were stationed elsewhere?

And I thought the fact that Jon Snow was able to walk within a couple of meters of Mance Rayder before anyone drew on him was a bit stupid.

Tywin being with the woman that his son was in love with was kind of silly as well. He was repulsed by his son since he was born yet there he was sleeping with his "whore"?

Am I the only one who thought Tywin's death wasn't as clear as it should have been - it looked like the second dart went in to his shoulder rather than his heart?

It wasn't until the bells started ringing that I dropped the notion of him popping up in an episode or two being nursed back to health.

Also, did Jaime intentionally send Tyrion through the Hand's chambers?

It was good watching the Lannister "legacy" fall to dust in a few short minutes. King's Landing is wide open for the taking now - I'd expect a lot of political movers from within the city of liars to have their eyes on the Iron Throne now.

Aria and The Hound were given tonnes of screen time showing a bond slowly building between them. I felt Aria walking away was a cheap "Martin moment" where the unexpected seemed to have been favoured over what the story had been developing, just because it was unexpected.

The Hound v Brienne was a bit rushed in to action - I wouldn't have expected Brienne to initate a fight so quickly. Maybe they decided to leave out a lot of dialogue in favour of a longer more gruelling action sequence.

Dan_Solo · 17-06-2014 12:37am

Those skeletons at the big tree... not sure what sense they make, a field of evil skelly psychos right on the doorstep of the Mega Tree. Are they guardians? Why couldn't they be called off then? Are they besiegers? Why don't the children guys firebomb them all to hell then?
Nice to see more REAL magic all the same. The show just gets better with every spell cast.

Degag · 17-06-2014 12:46am

Cianos wrote: »

Also, did Jaime intentionally send Tyrion through the Hand's chambers?

Maybe Tywin was in on the plan to break Tyrion out? As much as he hates him i don't think he would let him be executed.

Degag · 17-06-2014 12:53am

BTW, Why is the word "Illiterate" in the thread title?

SeanJ09 · 17-06-2014 12:57am

Were the bells that Varys heard, just before he decided to go with Tyrion, ringing for any particular reason?

shruikan2553 · 17-06-2014 12:59am

SeanJ09 wrote: »

Were the bells that Varys heard, just before he decided to go with Tyrion, ringing for any particular reason?

They found the bodies.

Degag · 17-06-2014 1:00am

SeanJ09 wrote: »

Were the bells that Varys heard, just before he decided to go with Tyrion, ringing for any particular reason?

I presume it was to indicate that Twyin had been shot and/or Tyrion has escaped.

Lingua Franca · 17-06-2014 1:06am

Funnyonion79 wrote: »

Cersai will now control Kings Landing through Tommen and Jamie will be the Hand.

Too soon!

Smartly Dressed · 17-06-2014 1:07am

Does this mean Arya will kill the Mountain?

GoT Illiterate Season 4 finale *HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS*

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GoT Illiterate Season 4 finale HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS