Formula 1 2015: General Discussion Thread

Zcott · 17-12-2014 10:57am

I wonder how Vettel feels after hearing all this...

Going Strong · 17-12-2014 11:15am

Rumours on the web that Bob Bell and Rob Marshall have told Ferrari "Thanks but no thanks."

Midfield anonymity beckons for a few seasons I reckon.

It'll be like watching the early 90's races where you'd see the red Ferraris buried in the mid-pack at the start of every race.

iano.p · 17-12-2014 12:31pm

Going Strong wrote: »

Rumours on the web that Bob Bell and Rob Marshall have told Ferrari "Thanks but no thanks."

Midfield anonymity beckons for a few seasons I reckon.

It'll be like watching the early 90's races where you'd see the red Ferraris buried in the mid-pack at the start of every race.

I bet vettel is starting to regret the move . I can't see Ferrari achieve much in the next 5 years.

eviltimeban · 17-12-2014 1:13pm

iano.p wrote: »

I bet vettel is starting to regret the move . I can't see Ferrari achieve much in the next 5 years.

I dunno, he's achieved so much - what's left? Perhaps he may have peaked too early, but I would say he's relishing the change to "do a Schumacher" and pull an underperforming team (Ferrari in both cases) up to championship winning levels.

Whether Vettel can inspire a team like Schumacher did is questionable.

Going Strong · 17-12-2014 2:41pm

From what little there is out there, it seems that the internal politics in Ferrari is the stumbling block to so many departures and failures to hire any big names. Reportedly, Adrian Newey was in talks with Montezemolo about joining the Scuderia, internal politics got in the way with one faction leaking the details. Red Bull got wind of it, so made him an offer he couldn't refuse re: scaling back his F1 work and doing his dream Americas Cup yachting instead. Bob Bell was reportedly on his way to Ferrari according to reports last month but this month......

Jordan 199 · 17-12-2014 3:02pm

Gintonious wrote: »

Its all well and good firing these people, but has there been any replacements mentioned? And I mean realistic ones at that, time and time again Newy's name has been thrown about, but he will never be in red.

Pat Fry has been replaced by someone called Pat Grill.

christy c · 17-12-2014 4:11pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Pat Fry has been replaced by someone called Pat Grill.

I think it's time to close the forum for the winter

dloob · 17-12-2014 5:19pm

greedygoblin wrote: »

So some of Red Bulls stolen trophies have been recovered (linky).

In a lake!
I'm still scratching my head at the motive behind this.

eviltimeban · 18-12-2014 11:06am

dloob wrote: »

In a lake!
I'm still scratching my head at the motive behind this.

Maybe they were trying to lift the curse.

KarlFitz01 · 18-12-2014 3:25pm

Does anyone know when the BBC are doing their year review show it's normally before Christmas?

Joeseph Balls · 18-12-2014 3:39pm

KarlFitz01 wrote: »

Does anyone know when the BBC are doing their year review show it's normally before Christmas?

I believe its the 27th of December

KarlFitz01 · 18-12-2014 4:00pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

I believe its the 27th of December

Thanks

Frank Bullitt · 19-12-2014 7:00pm

JEV joins Ferrari as their simulator driver, which would indicate De La Rosa would be laving also.

Charlie-Bravo · 19-12-2014 8:10pm

Ooh, maybe De la Rosa could go back to McLaren for the latest installment of Spygate: The Retirement years! :pac:

But McLaren don't need a second test drive.

christy c · 19-12-2014 8:11pm

Gintonious wrote: »

JEV joins Ferrari as their simulator driver, which would indicate De La Rosa would be laving also.

Possible replacement for Rai next year? I hope he gets a drive again, I think he's good enough

Frank Bullitt · 19-12-2014 8:28pm

christy c wrote: »

Possible replacement for Rai next year? I hope he gets a drive again, I think he's good enough

You would wonder then why did they hire Guit so, other than for marketing in Mexico.

Infoanon · 19-12-2014 8:49pm

Gintonious wrote: »

You would wonder then why did they hire Guit so, other than for marketing in Mexico.

Mexican sponsors money and it resolves the Ferrari supported Sauber team and their driver mess.

Esteban is also reckoned to be fairly handy behind the wheel and more to the point who else was available with that level of experience and youth on their side.

kellymick39 · 19-12-2014 11:44pm

I really hope Button stomps all over Alonso next year and shows him a few ricks aswell.
Hoppefully Honda and McLaren can give both drivers a good package for next year too.

kellymick39 · 19-12-2014 11:44pm

I really hope Button stomps all over Alonso next year and shows him a few tricks aswell.
Hoppefully Honda and McLaren can give both drivers a good package for next year too.

iano.p · 20-12-2014 8:35am

kellymick39 wrote: »

I really hope Button stomps all over Alonso next year and shows him a few tricks aswell.
Hoppefully Honda and McLaren can give both drivers a good package for next year too.

I can't see that happening. I think alonso is the best driver on the grid.

Ghost Train · 20-12-2014 10:43am

Wasn't much between Hamilton and Alonso when they were at McLaren
Button didn't struggle against Hamilton during their three years together

Would think Button should have the advantage at the start of the year, having been 5 years with McLaren

Maybe car will suit Alonso better

I'd be hopeful it will be pretty close between them but if car isn't competitive then it mightn't really matter

AMKC · 23-12-2014 6:52pm

Ferrari confirms Mercedes engineer Jock Clear will replace Pat Fry - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117210

Some good news for Ferrari maybe.

Also "Ferrari calls for F1 fan revolutionhttp://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117214

HighLine · 23-12-2014 7:02pm

AMKC wrote: »

Ferrari confirms Mercedes engineer Jock Clear will replace Pat Fry - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117210

Some good news for Ferrari maybe.

Also "Ferrari calls for F1 fan revolutionhttp://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117214

I think the only good news for Ferrari would be if Jock took some power units with him.

pmasterson95 · 23-12-2014 11:31pm

Gutierrez & Vergne would certainly freshen up the paddock instead of Gene and De La Rosa definitely smart move there. Always think test/reserves should be at least under 28......both Pedro and Marc comfortably exceeded that

Killinator · 24-12-2014 1:29am

Seb Buemi will be back as a Red Bull reserve driver for 2015 after an extremely impressive season in the WEC.

GarIT · 24-12-2014 1:57am

Killinator wrote: »

Seb Buemi will be back as a Red Bull reserve driver for 2015 after an extremely impressive season in the WEC.

Doing well in Formula E too.

Frank Bullitt · 24-12-2014 1:58am

GarIT wrote: »

Doing well in Formula E too.

Clearly should still be in F1.

Killinator · 24-12-2014 2:23am

Gintonious wrote: »

Clearly should still be in F1.

Agreed, he deserves alot more than a reserve driver role.

Zcott · 24-12-2014 2:42am

AMKC wrote: »

Ferrari confirms Mercedes engineer Jock Clear will replace Pat Fry - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117210

Some good news for Ferrari maybe.

Also "Ferrari calls for F1 fan revolutionhttp://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117214

Big coup for Ferrari there, Jock knows his way around a racing car alright. It was certainly a surprise when it was announced he was leaving Mercedes.

Wonder if this is just the first high profile signing Ferrari have planned?

Going Strong · 24-12-2014 8:37am

AMKC wrote: »

Also "Ferrari calls for F1 fan revolutionhttp://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117214

This wouldn't be the same Ferrari that went about issuing "Cease & Desist" orders to it's own fans making them take down their websites so as to protect it's brand image would it? Or am I thinking of a different Ferrari altogether?

AMKC · 24-12-2014 2:29pm

Going Strong wrote: »

This wouldn't be the same Ferrari that went about issuing "Cease & Desist" orders to it's own fans making them take down their websites so as to protect it's brand image would it? Or am I thinking of a different Ferrari altogether?

Maybe it was but wlth all the changes that have been happening at Ferrari and all the people that have left it might very well be a very different Ferrari now.

kellymick39 · 24-12-2014 5:01pm

Any news on Marussia and them comming back for 2015?Chilton said to the Beeb in his last TV interview that he was very positive for Marussia and 2015.
Just googled and it seems that a certain Gene Haas has just bought the Marussia factory.Interesting development there.

www .motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-f1-acquires-marussia-factory/

iano.p · 24-12-2014 6:51pm

kellymick39 wrote: »

Any news on Marussia and them comming back for 2015?Chilton said to the Beeb in his last TV interview that he was very positive for Marussia and 2015.
Just googled and it seems that a certain Gene Haas has just bought the Marussia factory.Interesting development there.

www .motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-f1-acquires-marussia-factory/

I am bit surprised haas is buying the factory. I thought I read someplace he doesn't want to be based in England I could be totally wrong.

Going Strong · 25-12-2014 9:31am

iano.p wrote: »

I am bit surprised haas is buying the factory. I thought I read someplace he doesn't want to be based in England I could be totally wrong.

It could be for logistical reasons. Somewhere to keep parts and transportation vehicles during the European races. Also, it might be a better way of availing of Bernie's free airfreight deal as most other F1 teams will be in the same area. The development and component manufacturing could be kept in the US.

kellymick39 · 25-12-2014 1:12pm

Hass has built his own state of the art factory in in the USA for his F1 team exploits.
So maybe buying the Marussia factory is for having a European base and also for Bernies free dosh,which would kinda make sense.

26-12-2014 7:23am

Happy Christmas everyone! I'm gonna predict that Alonso will finish about 20 points clear of Jenson. I'd love if Honda landed with a great engine but it's not gonna happen. :P

veganrun · 26-12-2014 12:23pm

The Honda engine sounds good at least anyway, although I read rumours that its thirsty and down on power. Merc apparently have a big step coming in power.

Mike Litoris · 26-12-2014 1:02pm

veganrun wrote: »

The Honda engine sounds good at least anyway, although I read rumours that its thirsty and down on power. Merc apparently have a big step coming in power.

Probably running without some of the energy recovery. Most of the engines sounded sweet at the first couple of days testing last year.

Jordan 199 · 26-12-2014 2:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Happy Christmas everyone! I'm gonna predict that Alonso will finish about 20 points clear of Jenson. I'd love if Honda landed with a great engine but it's not gonna happen. :P

How very interesting. More predictions please

Joeseph Balls · 26-12-2014 9:49pm

Hi guys, Merry Christmas, anyone know when the year review is on the beeb? Thought it was tomo night....

Jordan 199 · 26-12-2014 10:22pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Hi guys, Merry Christmas, anyone know when the year review is on the beeb? Thought it was tomo night....

It's on @ 1PM on BBC1 tomorrow.

Joeseph Balls · 27-12-2014 11:19am

Jordan 191 wrote: »

It's on @ 1PM on BBC1 tomorrow.

Seen that alright but thought it was mmore about Hamilton. Usually it's on at night.

veganrun · 27-12-2014 12:37pm

Racecar Engineering has a really good free PDF review of the 2014 season with loads of technical information in it. I think you have to register on their website to download it, but that's free to do also.

zombieHanalei · 27-12-2014 12:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Happy Christmas everyone! I'm gonna predict that Alonso will finish about 20 points clear of Jenson. I'd love if Honda landed with a great engine but it's not gonna happen. :P

Are we talking a 23-3 massacre or something more competitive like 185-165?:p

At this moment in time I can only see McLaren struggling for a top 6 constructors finish. Great driver line up, but serious question marks over both the engine and McLaren's ability to design a competitive car after flopping in 2013 and 2014.

Jordan 199 · 28-12-2014 1:30am

Did anybody watch the BBC's F1 review yesterday at all? I never got to see it.

Joeseph Balls · 28-12-2014 2:23pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Did anybody watch the BBC's F1 review yesterday at all? I never got to see it.

no, missed on red button too, probably repeated again on RB

andy3695 · 28-12-2014 5:49pm

Ferrari and Mcclaren are losing out on a lot of money with Marussia leaving according to GPTODAY website.

Devilman40k · 28-12-2014 6:25pm

andy3695 wrote: »

Ferrari and Mcclaren are losing out on a lot of money with Marussia leaving according to GPTODAY website.

I'd imagine so. Ferrari would lose out on engine money and mclaren on other tech. I'd say Marussia owed both a fair bit of money

GarIT · 28-12-2014 8:17pm

Caterham could be in trouble Air Asia has lost a plane in the last 24 hours, which will result in Tony Fernandez loosing a massive amount of money/value of his investments, which means less funding available for Caterham.

I also found it strange that Lloyd's have said they are at the top of a list of creditors owed a total of £31m by Marussia, the strange thing about this is if Marussia had stayed operating they would have been due £40m in prize money. Marussia made losses of £29 million in 2014, but with prize money does that not mean they would be up £11m

veganrun · 28-12-2014 8:18pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Did anybody watch the BBC's F1 review yesterday at all? I never got to see it.

Yep, it was good. The only thing I didn't like was the choice of music during the end sequence. But that's just nit picking.

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